Addendum: Neil Bush quit his position on 10th September, 2001, at MIDNIGHT. I get the dates mixed up because of the way the US puts month before date.
Best,
DB23.
You wrote:
"How does that change the reasonability of considering government mandate the line at which intrusiveness has become excessive?"
A one phrase answer? "Manufacturing Consent" Noam Chomsky. But...
When 46% of the world's richest economies are NOT Governments, they are - de facto - governments. Multi-Nationals have lobbyists on Capitol Hill from Dynecorp - for white slavery rings, that's the Chicago Times. When Rep Cynthia Mc Kinney asked Donald Rumsfeld about the continued no-bid contracts awarded IN LIGHT OF BEING CAUGHT IN WHITE HUMAN SLAVERY, Rumsfeld said "...they were put in the penalty box for a while...". I've got the video. It was on Cspan. When Rumsfeld can sit in front of McKinney and, straight-faced, say that TRILLIONS are missing from the Pentagon budget because "...one set of computers can not talk to another...". That's when you know; when they do the St Louis Toodle-ooh!
When you're in the middle of a war where the Carlyle Group (Cheyney, Bin Laden, Bush, Q.E.II all are stockholders) are providing the Bradley Armoured vehicles and the ammunition; where Halliburton CHARGES these soldiers for their meals, and where they have to pay for their damaged body armour before they pay for their flight home - then get really, really, really bad health care - AND THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY DO NOT WANT THE WAR BECAUSE THEY WERE LIED TO?
Read your constitution. "Ich bin nicht einer Americaner", and I bet I know more about it than you. You are under a President, who has popularity ratings on a par with Adolf Hitler - after Auschwitz. In fact, Prescott Bush, "W's grandfather" was prosecuted under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" for channelling Nazi steel production funds through the Union Bank, got a slap on the wrist, and kept doing it until the mid '50's.
The dollar is your God, and your Government (The FED runs the world, and it is 80% owned by private banks [See G. Edward Griffin's "The Creature From Jekyll Island"]until the Amero comes. Come ON!!!! This isn't about egos; this is about ISSUES!!! YOU think that Governments run these worlds? I have a bridge to sell you. Todays word is: Bilderberg - and all you're worried about is watermarked DVD's?
You'll consider that its crossed the line when its government mandated? Great Odin in Himmel!!! 46% of the world's RICHEST ECONOMIES are MULT-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS - NOT GOVERNMENTS. That's Forbes magazine - no great secret. Does that not tell you something? See "The Corporation". THESE PEOPLE T E L L OUR GOVERNMENTS WHAT TO DO, they do not ASK. Read the book. This is the problem when people get into specialist reading - they get blinded to the zeitgeist. PS "Follow the money" - Deep Throat, Alias W. Mark Feldt.
Enjoy your blinders. Frankly, I don't think Nevile Chamberlain was so willingly naive when he "appeased" a certain A.Hitler. You want to take a computer chip in your hand so you can get executive treatment at your dance club on Ibiza - knock yourself out. These things ALWAYS, EVER, ONLY happen by increments. If you want to stay in the stone age, knock yourself out. DRAMS are the tip of a very sizable iceberg, my friend. If you wish to stay ignorant, don't say you weren't warned.
It starts with coding everything that comes out of your printer, then the stuff you record on your own Tivo, then you get tracker chips in your registration stickers (they've already got your thumbprint from your license), then they schlep watermarks on your DVD's. Man, with these chips, watermarks, stickers, you can walk into every retail store in Manhattan and the store alarms go nuts - until they realise the chip in your Levi's is NOT FROM THEIR STORE.
Interested/schminterested. If you WANT every product on planet Earth to be tracked by their producers - including EVERYTHING you own - do NOT READ SPYCHIPS, by Liz McIntyre.
It don't phase me one way or the other.
In the meanwhile - DVD watermarks? I hardly watch TV anyway. PS I'm not describing it, McIntire and the whole RFID industry are at each other's throats over it. But you won't see that on CNN...
You don't get my point. This kind of intrusion into products that we buy is not only limited to DVD's or CD's. Read SPYCHIPS by Liz McIntyre. This is but a small part of an humongous jigsaw puzzle. Total track-ability of any item, anywhere, on planet Earth.
Irregardless of your qualification (and I did understand it) I'm still not for it.
Neither alternatives are acceptable. NONE OF THEM. Read "Spychips" by Liz McIntyre. This is a small issue which is part of a larger scale problem. These SOBs want to track every single manufactured item from production line to the garbage dump. We are being offered a false antithesis here; reject BOTH.
The Cult of Personality runs deep at Berkeley, Luke. I noticed the eager faces in the crowd, somewhat like the recipients at a Bill Gates cash giveaway. And like said giveaway, nothing ostensibly appeared. What I thought was tacit throughout his lecture, was a claim that he's actually established his Grand Uniting Theory - but he was gracious enough to disclose his philosophical pre-commitments to Emmanuel Kant, and Karl Popper.
In other words, if you can not touch, taste, see, feel, or smell it, there's not a whole lot of sense in speaking about it. What Dr Hawking may be failing to appreciate is that not all his colleagues at the Royal Society would share such a philosophical pre-commitment.
Per example: he strains the point when he says "what's the use of defining a point south of the South Pole?". If you've got a shuttle, or - heaven forfend - a spaceship which has blown up hundreds of thousands of miles from this 'South Pole', "south of the South Pole" means an awful lot. The spaceship? Apollo 13.
His delivery is awfully simplistic, and very disarming. But nonetheless; it's not necessarily what the man said in his lecture. If you are familiar with his work, and publicly-stated aspirations, this speech virtually said "give me two spaceships to measure gravitation between the two, and I'll have verification of my theorems..." [paraphrase].
This has already been done by satellite. I'm assuming he's meaning studying two spaceships at regular, irregular velocity, plus perhaps stasis - and full of the requisite instrumentation to hone down the measurements to exacting standards.
Yep, the talk was for the pedestrian scientist. The ramifications, however, were rather audacious - or so I thought.
Does God play dice? Kant - can; Kant - can; ad absurdum.
Dr_Bliss_23
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Addendum: Neil Bush quit his position on 10th September, 2001, at MIDNIGHT. I get the dates mixed up because of the way the US puts month before date. Best, DB23.
You wrote: "How does that change the reasonability of considering government mandate the line at which intrusiveness has become excessive?" A one phrase answer? "Manufacturing Consent" Noam Chomsky. But... When 46% of the world's richest economies are NOT Governments, they are - de facto - governments. Multi-Nationals have lobbyists on Capitol Hill from Dynecorp - for white slavery rings, that's the Chicago Times. When Rep Cynthia Mc Kinney asked Donald Rumsfeld about the continued no-bid contracts awarded IN LIGHT OF BEING CAUGHT IN WHITE HUMAN SLAVERY, Rumsfeld said "...they were put in the penalty box for a while...". I've got the video. It was on Cspan. When Rumsfeld can sit in front of McKinney and, straight-faced, say that TRILLIONS are missing from the Pentagon budget because "...one set of computers can not talk to another...". That's when you know; when they do the St Louis Toodle-ooh! When you're in the middle of a war where the Carlyle Group (Cheyney, Bin Laden, Bush, Q.E.II all are stockholders) are providing the Bradley Armoured vehicles and the ammunition; where Halliburton CHARGES these soldiers for their meals, and where they have to pay for their damaged body armour before they pay for their flight home - then get really, really, really bad health care - AND THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY DO NOT WANT THE WAR BECAUSE THEY WERE LIED TO? Read your constitution. "Ich bin nicht einer Americaner", and I bet I know more about it than you. You are under a President, who has popularity ratings on a par with Adolf Hitler - after Auschwitz. In fact, Prescott Bush, "W's grandfather" was prosecuted under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" for channelling Nazi steel production funds through the Union Bank, got a slap on the wrist, and kept doing it until the mid '50's. The dollar is your God, and your Government (The FED runs the world, and it is 80% owned by private banks [See G. Edward Griffin's "The Creature From Jekyll Island"]until the Amero comes. Come ON!!!! This isn't about egos; this is about ISSUES!!! YOU think that Governments run these worlds? I have a bridge to sell you. Todays word is: Bilderberg - and all you're worried about is watermarked DVD's?
You'll consider that its crossed the line when its government mandated? Great Odin in Himmel!!! 46% of the world's RICHEST ECONOMIES are MULT-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS - NOT GOVERNMENTS. That's Forbes magazine - no great secret. Does that not tell you something? See "The Corporation". THESE PEOPLE T E L L OUR GOVERNMENTS WHAT TO DO, they do not ASK.
Read the book. This is the problem when people get into specialist reading - they get blinded to the zeitgeist. PS "Follow the money" - Deep Throat, Alias W. Mark Feldt.
Enjoy your blinders. Frankly, I don't think Nevile Chamberlain was so willingly naive when he "appeased" a certain A.Hitler. You want to take a computer chip in your hand so you can get executive treatment at your dance club on Ibiza - knock yourself out. These things ALWAYS, EVER, ONLY happen by increments. If you want to stay in the stone age, knock yourself out. DRAMS are the tip of a very sizable iceberg, my friend. If you wish to stay ignorant, don't say you weren't warned. It starts with coding everything that comes out of your printer, then the stuff you record on your own Tivo, then you get tracker chips in your registration stickers (they've already got your thumbprint from your license), then they schlep watermarks on your DVD's. Man, with these chips, watermarks, stickers, you can walk into every retail store in Manhattan and the store alarms go nuts - until they realise the chip in your Levi's is NOT FROM THEIR STORE. Interested/schminterested. If you WANT every product on planet Earth to be tracked by their producers - including EVERYTHING you own - do NOT READ SPYCHIPS, by Liz McIntyre. It don't phase me one way or the other. In the meanwhile - DVD watermarks? I hardly watch TV anyway. PS I'm not describing it, McIntire and the whole RFID industry are at each other's throats over it. But you won't see that on CNN...
You don't get my point. This kind of intrusion into products that we buy is not only limited to DVD's or CD's. Read SPYCHIPS by Liz McIntyre. This is but a small part of an humongous jigsaw puzzle. Total track-ability of any item, anywhere, on planet Earth. Irregardless of your qualification (and I did understand it) I'm still not for it.
Neither alternatives are acceptable. NONE OF THEM. Read "Spychips" by Liz McIntyre. This is a small issue which is part of a larger scale problem. These SOBs want to track every single manufactured item from production line to the garbage dump. We are being offered a false antithesis here; reject BOTH.
You have a vivid imagination.
DB23
The Cult of Personality runs deep at Berkeley, Luke. I noticed the eager faces in the crowd, somewhat like the recipients at a Bill Gates cash giveaway. And like said giveaway, nothing ostensibly appeared. What I thought was tacit throughout his lecture, was a claim that he's actually established his Grand Uniting Theory - but he was gracious enough to disclose his philosophical pre-commitments to Emmanuel Kant, and Karl Popper. In other words, if you can not touch, taste, see, feel, or smell it, there's not a whole lot of sense in speaking about it. What Dr Hawking may be failing to appreciate is that not all his colleagues at the Royal Society would share such a philosophical pre-commitment. Per example: he strains the point when he says "what's the use of defining a point south of the South Pole?". If you've got a shuttle, or - heaven forfend - a spaceship which has blown up hundreds of thousands of miles from this 'South Pole', "south of the South Pole" means an awful lot. The spaceship? Apollo 13. His delivery is awfully simplistic, and very disarming. But nonetheless; it's not necessarily what the man said in his lecture. If you are familiar with his work, and publicly-stated aspirations, this speech virtually said "give me two spaceships to measure gravitation between the two, and I'll have verification of my theorems..." [paraphrase]. This has already been done by satellite. I'm assuming he's meaning studying two spaceships at regular, irregular velocity, plus perhaps stasis - and full of the requisite instrumentation to hone down the measurements to exacting standards. Yep, the talk was for the pedestrian scientist. The ramifications, however, were rather audacious - or so I thought. Does God play dice? Kant - can; Kant - can; ad absurdum. Dr_Bliss_23