I recommend mucking around with the E settings to resolve this tho!
I have! No mention of it in the e-conf program or the Gnome Control Panel or in the Gnome Help Browser yokes (which goes into great detail about how to configure Enlightenment. I hope I don't have to patch and recompile it to get this
Sorry, I suppose you're right but... Apparently USB 2 is going to be faster than Firewire
Anyway, I wasn't really saying they weren't competing. I was making the point that for the majority of users USB is more important than Firewire (just the same as 3d support would be more popular than say Winmodem, and they're completely different) and I wouldn't want the quality of the USB implementation to be worse because too much time was being spent on the Firewire.
Actually, they probably will both be fine, so put it this way:!
I don't want 2.4 to be held back to get Firewire fixed if the USB is already 100%
He's right. Being a programmer myself I have to admit to being more interested in writing beaufiful code than whether it works the way the user expects. The most productive interfaces (be it GUI/commandline) generally tend to be the hardest to pick up. I found this with GNOME. I've only started using it v.recently and still haven't figured out how to click on the taskbar ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Panel and get the window to come to the front (not just become active). The developers of any project shouldn't just be saying "that's the way I like it"
Why the hell are people complaining that it shouldn't be realeased if it's only v0.2. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT Getting it out early is A Good Thing because it means more programmers will take notice, and write code for it, which is nice - even if you/we stick to Linux, a bit of competition will keep everyone on their toes.
I'd laugh my pants off if the reason behind the laptop having the same price with Linux as opposed to Windows is if MS have gone the same way as Be and are giving the OS away for free (as in beer, not speech, of course)
It's basically free anyway, I certainly haven't paid for any MS software:-) (I even got money off my computer when I bought it by asking that Win95 NOT be installed) and I've never had trouble picking up the only other MS stuff that's of any use (Word)
That reminds to bring those VB and VC++ lying about here home! Actually no, I've taken the Xmms source instead, see if I can help the cause, so to speak
However, the support calls should be way fewer with the stability of Linux....
If only! I agree it's more stable but newbies are bad enough at getting the hang of the Windows GUI (sometimes even so called windows power users make me sick with the way they use their mouse+keyboard).
Imagine them struggling with GNOME/KDE/[DOPus:-)] and asking asking stupid questions every five minutes on the phone.
Oh that's it. If they're on premium charges for the Tech Support i'm buying loadsa their shares now !:)
IMHO, They've given up on the OS I think (sure doesn't Office bring in more cash and Gates is now working on "Windows technologies" or something and their motto has been officialy changed from "a PC on every desktop" to something 'Net related which I can't remember
I mean given up on it as a source of cash.
They've replaced Browser wars with Streaming Media Wars (to quote someone on/. a coupla days ago)
Their aim is that every site will buy their server side stuff - Windows Media Server 2000 or some such.
They now that [protocols/server side/Application Service Provider] is what the have to concentrate on to survive.
MS know longer care if this development means less people pirate ^H^H^H^H^H^H buy Windows 98/2k
Why don't they work on something that will suck up all the silly comments on/. so then noone has to worry about Moderation and Meta Moderation and all that.
You can type 60wpm if you're good and talk maybe 20
What the hell! That's like one word every 3 seconds! The speech record is 300+ and I'm sure I speak well at least 150wpm myself. The record for typing is 120 I think.
The fastest way to get the Start Button going is to the Windows Key! I HATE people who don't use keyboard shortcuts etc. I'm working in a computer company here and I cringe when I see my bosses trying to enter stuff into Dialog boxes and the like. The insist on using the mouse to change what text box they're typing (when the tab key is a shitload quicker, easy etc.) These people are supposed to have been programming for years! They never hit the enter key (always insisting on fiddling around looking for a box like "Submit" or "Apply" to click on. I wouldn't be surprised if they used a NEWLINE button on a word processor to start a new line (if such a button existed) What about Ctrl+C,Alt+Tab,Ctrl+V to copy and paste from one app to another.
(as deity has already pointed out himself he meant thin-client in the last paragraph)
Anyway, I know I will always have a real PC in my room because as cute as these things are if you're going to do any real stuff on a computer you need at the least a decent sized keyboard and unless Transmeta come up with a cool miniature versions of a pair of hands for me to replace my current obsolete pair with then they can forget about me using their toy at any time other than getting the bus into work (assuming i don't work from home at some stage) This will start off the same as a mobile phone (get one to be seen because they're the "Wave of The Future [tm]) but end up the way they are now (EVERYONE has one and the novelty will wear off)
I've no problem with it and even though i don't have an Amiga I have fond memories of a mates one and might fire up UAE for the first time in ages to have a look at it but.....
How the hell do gpsoft expect to make money now. Even if their only releasing an older version won't the Amiga lovers just put in the newer features themselves.
I wasn't asking this in the case of Netscape going Open-Source because the point of that was to try to sell Netscape Servers (by keeping the HTML people use "open" or standardised so to speak)
What's gpsofts bottom line on this. Is it just a desparate attempt to get publicity - no offense!
Sorry, this is just hoss10 with some clarification of my post (which this is a reply to). I intended but forgot to point out that the journalists fact sheet has an error. A straight copy of a DVD to a DVD-RAM will NOT work in a licensed Windows player thing due to special tracks and the like that contain the codes. Others, including ESR i might add, have made the mistake of claiming that it would work and therefore that DeCSS isn't needed for piracy. Now while that doesn't really affect the argument that DeCSS is just helping Linux users watch their DVD we have to remember to stick 100% to the truth (like it says in the DVD Advocacy HOWTO) Also, even though i personally haven't tried to use such a copied DVD I have read about it in posts/comments/articles by the people that seem to know what their talking on the technical side and remember that a copied Sony Playstation CD doesn't (I have tried this many times and know how to get around it). I just mentioned Sony to show that it is not only possible but there is a precedent to making discs that are difficult to copy 100% (ie. including the errors/special tracks)
The others in this thread since my post don't seem to understand that a DVD you buy in the shops in a NON-standard disc. There are special tracks that need special ioctls and hardware that contains the keys and such. That's why DeCSS brute-forces the password. I have seen even ESR himself make that mistake (that a copied DVD video -> DVD-RAM or whatever will work in a licensed player but it won't) in his main article in the subject. There's nothing new in this tactic - The Playstation does it to - a seemingly perfect copy of a game to a CD-R won't work due to deliberate errors that Sony have put on the discs.
I was about to try and answer your question but it's bloody difficult to explain! With garbage collection implemented in the best way the JIT or whatever doesn't try to hard to keep a record of what mem has been allocated. But, whenever the system isn't paricularly busy or if it panics due to low memory the JIT can traverse all the objects that have been allocated (just starting with each of the Thread objects I think) just by checking the references each object has until it has a list of all the objects in the system. There are a few reasons this is more reliable (not just faster) than maintaining a reference count. Then I suppose it (the JIT) could ask the OS to rearrange it's memory mapping thingies (Page Translation whatchamacallems) to put any of it's user space pages after the current position of the stack or something like that (hard to describe but i know what i'm talking about (even though i can't remember the name exactly!))
Basically it can be made to work but maybe not particular efficiently because it could result in a full page (4K) been used for just one small object but this can also be fixed
I hope whoever does the article reads the Journalists Fact Sheet before doing the interview.
And also, the many court cases showing that the development/distribution/use of DeCCS is completely legal due to (among other laws/precedents) the Millenium Copyright Act.Do you remember the TV industry trying to sue Sony because they used their videos (Betamax specifically) to record programmes for future viewing.
What about a license like this (derived from the GPL or something):
"You may use this free patent but not unless you submit any other patents you use with this one in a piece of software to the Free Patent Foundation"
or something to that effect. maybe it could also impose a small charge on big companies wishing to use our "open" patent to cover the administration
The cool thing about this is it helps reverse all past software patents granted! If it catches on that is. companies with stupid patents would have to relinquish control of any software patents they have if they want to use ours.
I wasn't talking about friends having root access! I wasn't talking about any virus altering the partition table! I was talking about if a virus is run in dos or from the mbr or wherever it can put files in a linux filesystem regardless of whatever passwords or whatever you have. This is damned obvious. At this stage THE KERNEL HASN'T STARTED YET!!! Will people stop assuming that people who say "unpopular" things (like a linux machine can be compromised with a big enough sledgehammer) are pig ignorant newbies (which i'm NOT)
you're insinuating that *most* linux systems have ONE partition? if this is really true, then the average linux geek is not very bright.
If Linux is to take over the desktop it will be the case. Any system with multiple partitions is more likely to be a "proper" server with a more sensible sysop
It's easy enough to find the root filesystem! Assuming most computers with linux installed only have one partition as type 83 then the virus would be able to stick it into/etc/inittab or whatever very easily. The challenges would be: a) get the code sufficiently small it mightn't be noticed to easy b) if there is more than one linux partition or something than the lilo info would need to be found from the MBR but that doesn't really matter much and anyway what's to stop the virus inserting itself into any/all type 83 (ext2) partitions (checking first there is a/etc/inittab)
Basically, traversing the partition tables is easy done - be they primary or extended, and the source for writing to ext2 is readily available (not surprisingly)
I don't like the way everyone is so convinced linux is secure. No OS I know of can account for a newbie being stupid (ie. blindly running files he/she just downloaded off the 'net) Even though they may not be able to damage anything other then they users files the infected program will probably be able to read the users address database and send itself to say the first 50 names in the address book (ring any bells:-). I'm fairly sure I could write said virus myself but I don't want to go to prison! If the virus also "merged" itself with other executable files in the users home dir then that opens another way to get itself spread. To do that requires knowledge of the file format (like it says in the article) but that is known for Windoze aswell so that stumbling block is irrelevant. This is where education is important. Newbies (and others) need to be reminded to run the program under the strictest possible environment (something like user 'nobody' and disallow network access etc.) especially nowadays as GNU/Linux has attracted virus writers attention.
I remember in Win3.1 whenever i went to File/Copy in File Manager you could put / in the path of the directory you wanted to copy (or move) the file to. I tried it once for a laugh and it worked. I just typed c:/emu/snes or something. I suppose that isn't really a DOS question though, sorry for wandering off topic
All you can do is reencode the MPEG stream at small crappy resolution to send around the net (this is never going to threaten the movie industry...)
I'm sure a few years ago people thought the same about music due to bandwidth. I don't know if there's a Moore's Law equivalent for bandwidth but someday (sooner than you think, I hope) we will be transfering full quality mpgs of films. I would register mpg.com in order set up a business similar to mp3.com when the time is done but someone already has it:-(
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I have! No mention of it in the e-conf program or the Gnome Control Panel or in the Gnome Help Browser yokes (which goes into great detail about how to configure Enlightenment.
I hope I don't have to patch and recompile it to get this
Sorry, I suppose you're right but...
:!
Apparently USB 2 is going to be faster than Firewire
Anyway, I wasn't really saying they weren't competing. I was making the point that for the majority of users USB is more important than Firewire (just the same as 3d support would be more popular than say Winmodem, and they're completely different) and I wouldn't want the quality of the USB implementation to be worse because too much time was being spent on the Firewire.
Actually, they probably will both be fine, so put it this way
I don't want 2.4 to be held back to get Firewire fixed if the USB is already 100%
Maybe he's learning a few lessons from MS. :-)
FUD et al.
Seriously though, that's nice but I think the PC industry has "standardised" on USB.
Damn. I nearly forgot that Linux exists on other platforms too! I suppose this will help the Linux on IMac cause.
He's right.
Being a programmer myself I have to admit to being more interested in writing beaufiful code than whether it works the way the user expects.
The most productive interfaces (be it GUI/commandline) generally tend to be the hardest to pick up. I found this with GNOME. I've only started using it v.recently and still haven't figured out how to click on the taskbar ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Panel and get the window to come to the front (not just become active). The developers of any project shouldn't just be saying "that's the way I like it"
Why the hell are people complaining that it shouldn't be realeased if it's only v0.2.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT
Getting it out early is A Good Thing because it means more programmers will take notice, and write code for it, which is nice - even if you/we stick to Linux, a bit of competition will keep everyone on their toes.
I'd laugh my pants off if the reason behind the laptop having the same price with Linux as opposed to Windows is if MS have gone the same way as Be and are giving the OS away for free (as in beer, not speech, of course)
:-) (I even got money off my computer when I bought it by asking that Win95 NOT be installed) and I've never had trouble picking up the only other MS stuff that's of any use (Word)
It's basically free anyway, I certainly haven't paid for any MS software
That reminds to bring those VB and VC++ lying about here home! Actually no, I've taken the Xmms source instead, see if I can help the cause, so to speak
However, the support calls should be way fewer with the stability of Linux....
:-)] and asking asking stupid questions every five minutes on the phone.
If only! I agree it's more stable but newbies are bad enough at getting the hang of the Windows GUI (sometimes even so called windows power users make me sick with the way they use their mouse+keyboard).
Imagine them struggling with GNOME/KDE/[DOPus
Oh that's it. If they're on premium charges for the Tech Support i'm buying loadsa their shares now !:)
... OK, I am slightly surprised.
/. a coupla days ago)
IMHO, They've given up on the OS I think (sure doesn't Office bring in more cash and Gates is now working on "Windows technologies" or something and their motto has been officialy changed from "a PC on every desktop" to something 'Net related which I can't remember
I mean given up on it as a source of cash.
They've replaced Browser wars with Streaming Media Wars (to quote someone on
Their aim is that every site will buy their server side stuff - Windows Media Server 2000 or some such.
They now that [protocols/server side/Application Service Provider] is what the have to concentrate on to survive.
MS know longer care if this development means less people pirate ^H^H^H^H^H^H buy Windows 98/2k
It's a cunning move.
Why don't they work on something that will suck up all the silly comments on /. so then noone has to worry about Moderation and Meta Moderation and all that.
How do we do this?
What the hell! That's like one word every 3 seconds! The speech record is 300+ and I'm sure I speak well at least 150wpm myself.
The record for typing is 120 I think.
The fastest way to get the Start Button going is to the Windows Key! I HATE people who don't use keyboard shortcuts etc. I'm working in a computer company here and I cringe when I see my bosses trying to enter stuff into Dialog boxes and the like. The insist on using the mouse to change what text box they're typing (when the tab key is a shitload quicker, easy etc.) These people are supposed to have been programming for years! They never hit the enter key (always insisting on fiddling around looking for a box like "Submit" or "Apply" to click on. I wouldn't be surprised if they used a NEWLINE button on a word processor to start a new line (if such a button existed)
What about Ctrl+C,Alt+Tab,Ctrl+V to copy and paste from one app to another.
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(as deity has already pointed out himself he meant thin-client in the last paragraph)
Anyway, I know I will always have a real PC in my room because as cute as these things are if you're going to do any real stuff on a computer you need at the least a decent sized keyboard and unless Transmeta come up with a cool miniature versions of a pair of hands for me to replace my current obsolete pair with then they can forget about me using their toy at any time other than getting the bus into work (assuming i don't work from home at some stage)
This will start off the same as a mobile phone (get one to be seen because they're the "Wave of The Future [tm]) but end up the way they are now (EVERYONE has one and the novelty will wear off)
I've no problem with it and even though i don't have an Amiga I have fond memories of a mates one and might fire up UAE for the first time in ages to have a look at it but.....
How the hell do gpsoft expect to make money now. Even if their only releasing an older version won't the Amiga lovers just put in the newer features themselves.
I wasn't asking this in the case of Netscape going Open-Source because the point of that was to try to sell Netscape Servers (by keeping the HTML people use "open" or standardised so to speak)
What's gpsofts bottom line on this. Is it just a desparate attempt to get publicity - no offense!
If someone wants an app, they should write it themselves. That's the point of the GosPeL surely!
Sorry, this is just hoss10 with some clarification of my post (which this is a reply to).
I intended but forgot to point out that the journalists fact sheet has an error.
A straight copy of a DVD to a DVD-RAM will NOT work in a licensed Windows player thing due to special tracks and the like that contain the codes.
Others, including ESR i might add, have made the mistake of claiming that it would work and therefore that DeCSS isn't needed for piracy. Now while that doesn't really affect the argument that DeCSS is just helping Linux users watch their DVD we have to remember to stick 100% to the truth (like it says in the DVD Advocacy HOWTO)
Also, even though i personally haven't tried to use such a copied DVD I have read about it in posts/comments/articles by the people that seem to know what their talking on the technical side and remember that a copied Sony Playstation CD doesn't (I have tried this many times and know how to get around it). I just mentioned Sony to show that it is not only possible but there is a precedent to making discs that are difficult to copy 100% (ie. including the errors/special tracks)
The others in this thread since my post don't seem to understand that a DVD you buy in the shops in a NON-standard disc. There are special tracks that need special ioctls and hardware that contains the keys and such. That's why DeCSS brute-forces the password.
I have seen even ESR himself make that mistake (that a copied DVD video -> DVD-RAM or whatever will work in a licensed player but it won't) in his main article in the subject.
There's nothing new in this tactic - The Playstation does it to - a seemingly perfect copy of a game to a CD-R won't work due to deliberate errors that Sony have put on the discs.
moblinux is a normal x86 kernel and distro
ie. the same binaries will work on a normal x86 box as well as a crusoe machine.
I was about to try and answer your question but it's bloody difficult to explain!
With garbage collection implemented in the best way the JIT or whatever doesn't try to hard to keep a record of what mem has been allocated.
But, whenever the system isn't paricularly busy or if it panics due to low memory the JIT can traverse all the objects that have been allocated (just starting with each of the Thread objects I think) just by checking the references each object has until it has a list of all the objects in the system. There are a few reasons this is more reliable (not just faster) than maintaining a reference count.
Then I suppose it (the JIT) could ask the OS to rearrange it's memory mapping thingies (Page Translation whatchamacallems) to put any of it's user space pages after the current position of the stack or something like that (hard to describe but i know what i'm talking about (even though i can't remember the name exactly!))
Basically it can be made to work but maybe not particular efficiently because it could result in a full page (4K) been used for just one small object but this can also be fixed
And also, the many court cases showing that the development/distribution/use of DeCCS is completely legal due to (among other laws/precedents) the Millenium Copyright Act.Do you remember the TV industry trying to sue Sony because they used their videos (Betamax specifically) to record programmes for future viewing.
What about a license like this (derived from the GPL or something):
"You may use this free patent but not unless you submit any other patents you use with this one in a piece of software to the Free Patent Foundation"
or something to that effect. maybe it could also impose a small charge on big companies wishing to use our "open" patent to cover the administration
The cool thing about this is it helps reverse all past software patents granted! If it catches on that is. companies with stupid patents would have to relinquish control of any software patents they have if they want to use ours.
I wasn't talking about friends having root access! I wasn't talking about any virus altering the partition table! I was talking about if a virus is run in dos or from the mbr or wherever it can put files in a linux filesystem regardless of whatever passwords or whatever you have.
This is damned obvious. At this stage THE KERNEL HASN'T STARTED YET!!!
Will people stop assuming that people who say "unpopular" things (like a linux machine can be compromised with a big enough sledgehammer) are pig ignorant newbies (which i'm NOT)
If Linux is to take over the desktop it will be the case. Any system with multiple partitions is more likely to be a "proper" server with a more sensible sysop
It's easy enough to find the root filesystem! /etc/inittab or whatever very easily. /etc/inittab)
Assuming most computers with linux installed only have one partition as type 83 then the virus would be able to stick it into
The challenges would be:
a) get the code sufficiently small it mightn't be noticed to easy
b) if there is more than one linux partition or something than the lilo info would need to be found from the MBR but that doesn't really matter much and anyway what's to stop the virus inserting itself into any/all type 83 (ext2) partitions (checking first there is a
Basically, traversing the partition tables is easy done - be they primary or extended, and the source for writing to ext2 is readily available (not surprisingly)
I don't like the way everyone is so convinced linux is secure. No OS I know of can account for a newbie being stupid (ie. blindly running files he/she just downloaded off the 'net)
Even though they may not be able to damage anything other then they users files the infected program will probably be able to read the users address database and send itself to say the first 50 names in the address book (ring any bells:-). I'm fairly sure I could write said virus myself but I don't want to go to prison!
If the virus also "merged" itself with other executable files in the users home dir then that opens another way to get itself spread. To do that requires knowledge of the file format (like it says in the article) but that is known for Windoze aswell so that stumbling block is irrelevant.
This is where education is important. Newbies (and others) need to be reminded to run the program under the strictest possible environment (something like user 'nobody' and disallow network access etc.) especially nowadays as GNU/Linux has attracted virus writers attention.
I remember in Win3.1 whenever i went to File/Copy in File Manager you could put / in the path of the directory you wanted to copy (or move) the file to.
I tried it once for a laugh and it worked. I just typed c:/emu/snes or something.
I suppose that isn't really a DOS question though, sorry for wandering off topic
I'm sure a few years ago people thought the same about music due to bandwidth. I don't know if there's a Moore's Law equivalent for bandwidth but someday (sooner than you think, I hope) we will be transfering full quality mpgs of films. I would register mpg.com in order set up a business similar to mp3.com when the time is done but someone already has it :-(