FYI: That usually does not happen when the ruling regime(yes, your 2 party system with massive corporate lobbying is a regime) is confident enough not to care.
Americans - you are the reason these people act like this. Since you are saying: "If you don't cut costs and increase margins, you will not get our pension fund or other fund money!"
You missed one important entry: Masters of Public Administration.
That basically say it all... And this case is most probably due to kickbacks and has little to do with nationalism.
I have heard of this phenomenon "indo-critical mass":
It first starts with a really smart* Indian becoming a manager. Then you start to notice that the number of Indian colleagues starts to grow. And one Monday you come int your office and your Indian manager tells you that he has to let you go, because he found a better suited candidate for your position.(And that new guy is fresh out of the college or university and just happens to be Indian also).
At the end the whole department is 100% Indian.
paint the Indians as a group of imbeciles who can't code their way out of a paper bag.
In my experience, Indian programmers tend to be excellent coders, who know the corner-cases of language specs and behavior better than most Americans, but they are very weak in the area of 'design'. I'm used to being tossed a paper napkin (if I'm lucky) and told to create a system. The Indian coders I've worked with fare poorly in that kind of situation, and need a fairly detailed design, that they can then implement quite well (assuming the design and requirements are not crap). This is not a racist statement, different cultures and different education systems, produce different strengths and weaknesses, go figure.
So you are saying that:
Unless you give them detailed instructions on how to do it, they can't do it?
By my standards they are much like the Chinese factory workers, that "tend to be excellent machine operators, who know the corner-cases of machinery specs and behavior better than most Americans"
FYI: I am from europe and I have no idea what is "political correctness"...
Karma be damned. Do you honestly think you are inherently superior to the Indian companies, just because you are American? I've worked with a few Indians, and they were just as good as some of the Americans I've worked with. Articles like this never cease to piss me off, because they never fail to paint the Indians as a group of imbeciles who can't code their way out of a paper bag. Your post really does not help.
Ha.... Problem is not with Indian companies, it's with India. For several years now IT was the biggest business in India, and as with all things that guarantee you a fair wage, a lot of people that are BAD at it have found their way into the sector.
So Yes I AM saying that most of our Indian counterparts are in FACT bad at what they do and are ill equipped to do it. Though it's mostly not their free choice to go in to IT, sine it's THE ONLY profession that assures a job and a fair wage.
I personally know A LOT(49 out of 50 Indian "consultants"*) that have no interest in IT, while having all their siblings in IT.
So TO ALL Indians that are reading this: STOP fucking up your own country with only ONE industry, because you are fucking it up for all of us in IT.
* - thir official titles, though I would never call those people consultants, since I would never, EVER, ask for a consult from them.
>> Actually expecting some severe DEFLATION over the next three years.
Why is that? Well maybe if you factor in the price of houses, but that should be covered by gas inflation. But let us not forget that no longer does US have the capacity to be cut off the rest of the world. Just look at the price of rice, wheat and maize, those things have direct impact on your everyday spending.
Better yet: Most hotels give you free envelopes, paper and pens with their logo on top of it. Is the hotel liable for ransom or threats sent to you in that envelope? They are the provider of the medium, and are knowingly allowing you to use it free of charge.
A lot of the reasons people state for why 'Linux rules' are primarily BECAUSE it's not widely used. If you want Linux to keep its good rep, don't encourage average home users to use it!
Not totally true. I skip updates and turned off my AutomaticUpdates JUST because a lot of Windows software needs me to restart my computer! I hate that. When you in a middle of writing your documents or running tests, you get a reboot! Hurray! When you are less impacted(as a user) by new drivers or new software, that makes it more compelling to update frequently and run latest versions. And thus be more secure. That is why I like Linux, some random piece of software will not request restart. If you tell me that is not a fault of Windows, I say I don't care. It's a legacy with witch Windows exists. Remember the days, you had to restart Win98 on IP address change?
No joke. I am getting credited if someone calls me! That is right. If you call mee for 10 minutes, I can call you back and talk for 5 minutes for free.
Oh the irony.... "In Soviet Russia, the government controls the commerce." In US the commerce controls the government... and no good comes of that also.
FYI: When a SMS is being sent, both parties ARE MOBILE. And the sender knows 100% that the receives is also a mobile party. That what is NOT sensible. The calls are actually OK. Because you don't have special area codes for mobiles. Russia incoming calls taxed too, but only for those numbers that are indistinguishable from landlines(the landline-landline fee is not altered).
Remind me why do you have to yell? Or even bother? Ohhh.... You citizens are so paranoid about gov-t regulation that you forgot to regulate the monopolies.....
Well I can understand the price when you answer a call, YOU know you are going to pay and you accept the fact by picking up. Therefore you may just drop an incoming call if you don't want to answer. While with SMS messages you don't get asked "Incoming SMS : Boss", you just receive them! WTF? Isn't unsolicited mean the one you don't want and did not request? Why are should you be paying for that? It's not like it's a law or something... It's almost like, a greeter at the mall is giving out pamphlets and demanding you to pay for the delivery! Oh and you'll have to pay if you want to give it back!
>> the marginal cost per minute is $0.00/minute. Really? So you pay $0 monthly to the telco?
Well I live in a calling-party-pays system where for $5 you get 50 minutes of call to any network(though the country is slightly larger than West Virginia) and each minute after is only $0.09 (Yes that is 9 US cents). So what were you saying about mobile-party-pays?
>> Man, there's a bridge I want to sell you Taken out of context, you are willing to commit a fraud?
The exact quote: "He wants more structure. He doesn't want to be a manager, and he doesn't want to decide himself the direction of what he is doing." Questions if he wants to have no management above him. Now if he were to become CEO....
>> _someone_ has to give some input about what the customers FYI: That someone should be the USERS, not the marketing.
>> Anarchy is a fine concept in theory, but it doesn't quite work in practice. What are you smoking! Anarchy is a horrible concept in theory as well as practice.
>> the idea that it's harder to fool other devs than to fool a manager, is pretty laughable, actually. No man, you are a manager, and that is pretty laughable. From your post(it may over-stress the opposing POV) you look like a close minded, Dilbert like PHB, who likes the "PROCESS", and can't have enough of the "PROCESS". The task of that principle is to force the geeks to interact and not be closed off. And the review process is the whip here... I bet the manager is still the one to hire or fire a person, no matter how good his reviews from other devs may be.
>> PHB's I've ever seen were coders or ex-coders Agree to that. But not just all coders. Only the ones that had problems with judgments.
Just a side note: you obviously don't work for Google, so it's useless to criticize anything that you have no idea about. The man's post is his own view and though he has some points, he may be missing some grand scheme of things, that drives Google. The book Halo Effect concludes that it does not matter how well your process may be or what anarchy you may have inside, mostly other factors make or break a company.
Hey, amen to that.... That does make perfect sense. If I could ban, I would ban all handguns and small weapons, and making it mandatory for men over 18 to go through military training and to be provisioned an assault rifle for personal protection and in case of need for actual militia. Handguns should be only for police and guards and otherwise illegal.
>> Angry rebels could never hold off the combined might of the US Army. Unless it's in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Lebanon...
But who's going to arm(and I mean at least AK-47's and hand grenades) the US based local rebels?
Afghanistan - Soviet and US weapons Iraq - Iraqi military stockpile and even trained military personnel as part of the militia Vietnam - those guys weren't rebels, that was an army, equipped and trained, but employing guerrilla tactics
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FYI: That usually does not happen when the ruling regime(yes, your 2 party system with massive corporate lobbying is a regime) is confident enough not to care.
Americans - you are the reason these people act like this. Since you are saying: "If you don't cut costs and increase margins, you will not get our pension fund or other fund money!"
You missed one important entry: Masters of Public Administration.
That basically say it all... And this case is most probably due to kickbacks and has little to do with nationalism.
I have heard of this phenomenon "indo-critical mass":
It first starts with a really smart* Indian becoming a manager. Then you start to notice that the number of Indian colleagues starts to grow. And one Monday you come int your office and your Indian manager tells you that he has to let you go, because he found a better suited candidate for your position.(And that new guy is fresh out of the college or university and just happens to be Indian also).
At the end the whole department is 100% Indian.
*- The one that really deserved it
paint the Indians as a group of imbeciles who can't code their way out of a paper bag.
In my experience, Indian programmers tend to be excellent coders, who know the corner-cases of language specs and behavior better than most Americans, but they are very weak in the area of 'design'. I'm used to being tossed a paper napkin (if I'm lucky) and told to create a system. The Indian coders I've worked with fare poorly in that kind of situation, and need a fairly detailed design, that they can then implement quite well (assuming the design and requirements are not crap). This is not a racist statement, different cultures and different education systems, produce different strengths and weaknesses, go figure.
So you are saying that:
Unless you give them detailed instructions on how to do it, they can't do it?
By my standards they are much like the Chinese factory workers, that "tend to be excellent machine operators, who know the corner-cases of machinery specs and behavior better than most Americans"
FYI: I am from europe and I have no idea what is "political correctness"...
Karma be damned. Do you honestly think you are inherently superior to the Indian companies, just because you are American? I've worked with a few Indians, and they were just as good as some of the Americans I've worked with. Articles like this never cease to piss me off, because they never fail to paint the Indians as a group of imbeciles who can't code their way out of a paper bag. Your post really does not help.
Ha.... Problem is not with Indian companies, it's with India. For several years now IT was the biggest business in India, and as with all things that guarantee you a fair wage, a lot of people that are BAD at it have found their way into the sector.
So Yes I AM saying that most of our Indian counterparts are in FACT bad at what they do and are ill equipped to do it. Though it's mostly not their free choice to go in to IT, sine it's THE ONLY profession that assures a job and a fair wage.
I personally know A LOT(49 out of 50 Indian "consultants"*) that have no interest in IT, while having all their siblings in IT.
So TO ALL Indians that are reading this: STOP fucking up your own country with only ONE industry, because you are fucking it up for all of us in IT.
* - thir official titles, though I would never call those people consultants, since I would never, EVER, ask for a consult from them.
>> Actually expecting some severe DEFLATION over the next three years. Why is that? Well maybe if you factor in the price of houses, but that should be covered by gas inflation. But let us not forget that no longer does US have the capacity to be cut off the rest of the world. Just look at the price of rice, wheat and maize, those things have direct impact on your everyday spending.
C'mon.... That vomit is highly TOXIC and without doubt is a military campaign using chemical warfare against Russia.
Better yet: Most hotels give you free envelopes, paper and pens with their logo on top of it. Is the hotel liable for ransom or threats sent to you in that envelope? They are the provider of the medium, and are knowingly allowing you to use it free of charge.
A lot of the reasons people state for why 'Linux rules' are primarily BECAUSE it's not widely used. If you want Linux to keep its good rep, don't encourage average home users to use it!
Not totally true. I skip updates and turned off my AutomaticUpdates JUST because a lot of Windows software needs me to restart my computer! I hate that.
When you in a middle of writing your documents or running tests, you get a reboot! Hurray!
When you are less impacted(as a user) by new drivers or new software, that makes it more compelling to update frequently and run latest versions. And thus be more secure.
That is why I like Linux, some random piece of software will not request restart.
If you tell me that is not a fault of Windows, I say I don't care. It's a legacy with witch Windows exists.
Remember the days, you had to restart Win98 on IP address change?
Didn't the management call in to check why you spent more money on a similar solution?
The pleasures of capitalism, comrade.
>> Although I am not a privacy advocate
Really? Care to share your Full Name, CC number,residential address and SSN?
No joke. I am getting credited if someone calls me! That is right. If you call mee for 10 minutes, I can call you back and talk for 5 minutes for free.
Oh the irony.... "In Soviet Russia, the government controls the commerce."
In US the commerce controls the government... and no good comes of that also.
FYI: When a SMS is being sent, both parties ARE MOBILE. And the sender knows 100% that the receives is also a mobile party. That what is NOT sensible.
The calls are actually OK. Because you don't have special area codes for mobiles. Russia incoming calls taxed too, but only for those numbers that are indistinguishable from landlines(the landline-landline fee is not altered).
Remind me why do you have to yell? Or even bother?
Ohhh.... You citizens are so paranoid about gov-t regulation that you forgot to regulate the monopolies.....
Well I can understand the price when you answer a call, YOU know you are going to pay and you accept the fact by picking up. Therefore you may just drop an incoming call if you don't want to answer.
While with SMS messages you don't get asked "Incoming SMS : Boss", you just receive them!
WTF?
Isn't unsolicited mean the one you don't want and did not request? Why are should you be paying for that? It's not like it's a law or something... It's almost like, a greeter at the mall is giving out pamphlets and demanding you to pay for the delivery! Oh and you'll have to pay if you want to give it back!
>> the marginal cost per minute is $0.00/minute.
Really? So you pay $0 monthly to the telco?
Well I live in a calling-party-pays system where for $5 you get 50 minutes of call to any network(though the country is slightly larger than West Virginia) and each minute after is only $0.09 (Yes that is 9 US cents). So what were you saying about mobile-party-pays?
>> Man, there's a bridge I want to sell you
Taken out of context, you are willing to commit a fraud?
The exact quote:
"He wants more structure. He doesn't want to be a manager, and he doesn't want to decide himself the direction of what he is doing."
Questions if he wants to have no management above him. Now if he were to become CEO....
>> True except you can't nest labels like you can folders.
Is there a technical limitation for that? None to my knowlegde
>> _someone_ has to give some input about what the customers
FYI: That someone should be the USERS, not the marketing.
>> Anarchy is a fine concept in theory, but it doesn't quite work in practice.
What are you smoking! Anarchy is a horrible concept in theory as well as practice.
>> the idea that it's harder to fool other devs than to fool a manager, is pretty laughable, actually.
No man, you are a manager, and that is pretty laughable. From your post(it may over-stress the opposing POV) you look like a close minded, Dilbert like PHB, who likes the "PROCESS", and can't have enough of the "PROCESS". The task of that principle is to force the geeks to interact and not be closed off. And the review process is the whip here...
I bet the manager is still the one to hire or fire a person, no matter how good his reviews from other devs may be.
>> PHB's I've ever seen were coders or ex-coders
Agree to that. But not just all coders. Only the ones that had problems with judgments.
Just a side note: you obviously don't work for Google, so it's useless to criticize anything that you have no idea about. The man's post is his own view and though he has some points, he may be missing some grand scheme of things, that drives Google. The book Halo Effect concludes that it does not matter how well your process may be or what anarchy you may have inside, mostly other factors make or break a company.
"enterprise class reliability to its user applications" - So that's what they call the overpriced and lacking features... a.k.a. Vista!
Hey, amen to that.... That does make perfect sense.
If I could ban, I would ban all handguns and small weapons, and making it mandatory for men over 18 to go through military training and to be provisioned an assault rifle for personal protection and in case of need for actual militia.
Handguns should be only for police and guards and otherwise illegal.
>> Angry rebels could never hold off the combined might of the US Army. Unless it's in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Lebanon...
But who's going to arm(and I mean at least AK-47's and hand grenades) the US based local rebels?
Afghanistan - Soviet and US weapons
Iraq - Iraqi military stockpile and even trained military personnel as part of the militia
Vietnam - those guys weren't rebels, that was an army, equipped and trained, but employing guerrilla tactics