What the hell else are they going to do down there? Drink beer and bomb another country? Speak bastardized slang english? Rip more vowels out of all their words until they are all one syllable? ********************************************
Re:Mandrake is NOT! out of money...
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>To me this is crazy, users have been asking for subscription baised distributions for a long time. If Mandrake would just put out a magazine that included periodic updates they'd have a userbase they could count and direct market other products.
This is a damn good idea. A mandrake linux magazine! I'd definately buy that. They could have 2 sections, the newbie and the expert sections where they cover general use (newbie) and software details (programming, server software, etc. expert). Hmm, maybe a subscription based online magazine would do it (but I'd prefer to have it in print if possible). Something else that they could do with the subscription is make available the periodic updates. ********************************************
Re:What's wrong with Mandrake? I'll tell you
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Then jump on the expert mailing list and ask your
questions there. ****************************************** **
Well, in a way he is right. Most users are not that clued in. I think you'll find that the slashdot crowd is not indicative of those in the "normal" everyday world. First let me qualify that by saying that I'm a support person so I get more than my share of clueless users. Users in my experience don't care much about having a diverse user experience (yes I'm sure you can come up with 100+1 examples to the contrary, but I'm not trying to prove a universally quantified statement). Users usually just want to get their current task at hand done as easily and as quickly as possible.
That's great if you're trying to consolidate your monopoly position, but it does absolutely no good whatsoever for the advancement of anything whatsoever.
Well, that's a fairly closed minded approach. You say it does no good for the advancement of anything. Really? Here is a counter example. His point about commercial developers wanting/preferring a single api to write to when developing software is generally accurate. Software companies only have so many resources and skilled people. Why would you want to have to pick a desktop to write to? If I pick GNOME or KDE I run the risk of reducing the market for my product (due to desktop bigots, interoperability issues, etc.) Writing to two desktops also lengthens my development time which reduces the profitability of my software. What company wants to do that? (Yes, I know it is possible to run one from the other, but it doesn't produce a consistent user experience, and the standards/formats of certain things are different, calendars, address books, and they are put in different places. Maybe I'm wrong and this has changed?)
Besides which, the problems with a monoculture are legion...I hardly think I need to go there.
The problems with diversity are also legion, if not greater.
And yes, alot of people are just that stupid. Although I realise where you are coming from. The ??? literate always assume that other people are at the same level, when in fact they are not. Hey, my father is a doctor, my mother is a nurse, and yet, my 4 year old son if far more proficient with a computer than they are, (he can install and use Linux by himself, with some help in the disk partitioning area). Does that make them stupid? No. My father does cancer research for crying out loud. The point is, they have a different set of expertise and that comes with a different set of assumtions about the way things work, and the fact that, they just don't care or need to know about the diversities of the computer using experience.
Frankly, the attitude I see with regards to this is just juvenile. How did this guy get mod +4?
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RE 1) Like the anonymous poster below anyone who uses those features in a big project needs to be shot.
RE 2) Umm excuse me but *you* obviously have no idea of what you are talking about. I do work in an enterprise company, (a telco with >100,000 employees, I think that's pretty enterprise) and we *do* use java. Also, java is very much in demand in the market place. Just ask any corprate recruiter. (One of my best friends is one and tells my this regularly). Success is a factor of marketing? Well I guess it depends on who determines the success, oneline forums? magazines? press releases? How about cold hard cash? Our customers determine whether we are successful and they aren't complaining.
RE 3) Your point? other than to be a nuisance? Don't give me that condescending 'I feel superior b/c I use a commandline' crap. BOTH commandline and gui have their place.
Obviously you are a bigot. Just save it for somewhere else.
This is why I rarely read slashdot anymore. The quality and rationale of the general readership has plummeted from 3-4 years ago,. ********************************************
I believe you need to use ipsec for that.
If you have it compiled as a module just insert it. I haven't tried it myself though so I couldn't
say if it works. Last I remember seeing it was
labelled experimental. *********************************** *********
On the flip side, I went to Arizona on a mission for the church and I had heart problems while I was there. (I am a heart patient). The G.P. (general physician -your normal doctor) thought I had mono, or the plague! I did have insurance so I went to see a cardiologist. He did the required tests but wouldn't even look at them until the insurance company paid him. In the mean time I almost died. I had to go back to Vancouver for open heart surgery. The surgeon told me that 3 or 4 more days and I would have been dead. (cause: Severe Endocarditis). The day after I was in Vancouver I was scheduled for surgery and in the O.R. the day after. Meanwhile the test results were still sitting on the American Cardiologists desk!
Needless to say, my impression of the American health care system is not very good.
Being N or S isn't the only factor in how warm or
cold it is going to be. There are other factors,
altitude, jetstream, humidity, etc.
eg. Vancouver is north of Boston, Chicago, etc,
but it only snows once every 5 years or so in Vancouver and normal winter temperature is around -5 to +5. ********************************************
Re:KDE/GNOME war hurts developers...
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I was under the impression that DCOP was the
KDE answer for network transparency and that KParts was used on the local machine. **************************************** ****
As other people have pointed out.. the actual
press releases say they are porting it to UNIX.
They don't mention Linux specifically as the
target platform. I think we are jumping to
conclusions. ********************************** **********
You've been hired to do a job. Period. That job involves working for people who's ideals are different than your's (and mine). They want you to implement a solution that protects their ideals. Being that you are being paid to do this for them your ideals don't get to enter into it.
If you find yourself facing a job that clashes with your ideals and you are uncertain about it don't take the job. However, if you do take the job, knowing what it entails and they are paying you you have two options:
1) Quit, citing possibly a conflict of interest. (this isn't really a lie)
2) Shut up and do the job you are being paid to do. If you are a member of the organisation that is implementing this project then you have a say, otherwise you don't. If it's a government thing, complain to your local representative.
just my.02$ ********************************************
I just don't think it's fair to ask trolltech or
bully them into making QT LGPL'd. This would be
taking their bread and butter. These guys gotta
eat too. ********************************************
Unfortunatly you are VERY correct here. I managed to convince my brother to pitch in money to buy myth2 for linux. We loved the demo so we thought that we'd buy the game. However, the game wasn't really playable for us for months as we waited for loki to release patches and 3dfx to fix the glide libs so that it wouldn't crash at the end of every level. Also, I had to do too much work to get it setup and usable in everyone's account. There are still issues with it and the multi user nature of linux. (i.e. he can't get sound when logging in on another virtual terminal if I'm logged into X too on say vt7, even if I'm not running anything that uses sound).
Unfortunatly now my brother thinks linux sucks and is less stable than windows. (Although this isn't linux's fault he doesn't realise that). The worst part is I won't ever be able to convince him to buy a game for linux anymore and he tells his friends too that linux is ok if you're a geek but it sucks for games. ****************************************** ** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Re: Kdevelop can get you better marks in school
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Well, it can if you can code.:) I use to program in ONLY vi, with a bash shell and gcc/g++ Then I decided to try kwrite (the editor for kdevelop that some of you are bitching about) and I liked it's syntax highlighting and multiple/vertical/persistent selections stuff. Then I decided to give kdevelop a shot and soon was doing all of my assignments in kdevelop. My friend and I did our final project in kdevelop too. If you use the dialogs for adding methods and classes and remember to put in the comments at that time (and of course you can code well) it produces nice looking code and also easily (with one click) produces nicely done api documentation in html.
These little things (and of course like I said good coding) earned us 26 out of 20 on our final project. In fact the marker was so impressed with the api documentation and our good coding that he forwarded the project to the professor and recommended that the professor take a look personally.
So if you can code and know how to use the few little convieniences that kdevelop provides it can even help your grades! Doing that api documentation by hand would have been a real bitch and waste of time in my opinion.
On the "it looks like microsoft" front, I honestly don't remember what visual studio looks like but who cares? MS does do some things right I mean just because we hate them it doesn't mean that they have stupid people working for them; and one thing that they do do well is user interfaces. (well most of the time anyways. Their latest efforts are questionable i.e. office2000)
[for the flamers and trolls on this thread] Oh yeah, learn to use something and use it well before you criticise it. Especially when it is open source and the result of someone elses hard and FREE work. You don't have to like it but don't slam it, especially without knowing it WELL. Come on guys lets act like professionals.
******************************************** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Actually run level three is does not start X in mandrake. I know I use it on occasion (run level 3 that is).
I specified run level 1 b/c I though it might be easier for him. Of course you are right. Run level three is more appropriate. ************************************ ******** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Sorry I'm writing you from windows (was playing starcraft again:) )
Anyways, you can reconfigure X w/o X easily.
1) boot into run level 1. At the lilo prompt type "linux 1" 2) When you are in console mode backup your existing XF86Config file "cp/etc/X11/XF86Config/etc/X11/XF86Config.old" When you get back home just copy it back to haw it was before. 3) The you can run: Xconfigurator, or XF86Setup, or xf86config.. I think that's it. One of the first two are the best anyways. 4) After that's done and X is configured type "telinit 5" That'll switch you to run level 5 and start the graphics logon for you. If for any reason it died it's b/c you either a) screwed up on your X configuration or b) the font server didn't start. (you can start it by hand by typing "/etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs start" as root.
Cheers, GeekBoy *************************************** ***** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
I tried running with it and Netscape bus errored
until I undefined the LD_PRELOAD env variable they
have you set. When I undefined it netscape worked
fine. Although it was probably netscapes problem.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
it's called differential cryptanalysis and it's based on a known plaintext attack (which means you have some plaintext and some cyphertext), but it's really nasty to do and even harder past 6 round DES. ****************************************** ** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
The poster before you is Gavriel. He is one of the lead software guru's at Corel, who incidentally works on wine if I'm not mistaken. *************************************** ***** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
I don't know about painter, poser, etc. But Bryce 4.0 runs well under Linux via wine. There are some redraw problems but I think those can be fixed by switching your Xserver to 8 or 16bpp. In any event it hasn't crashed on me. ******************************************** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Ok, I'll admit it is better WHEN it WORKS. I have some docs that it just pukes on that work fine with 5.1 Hopefully they will fix it before they release. ************************************** ****** Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Slashdot Mirror
What the hell else are they going to do down there? Drink beer and bomb another country? Speak bastardized slang english? Rip more vowels out of all their words until they are all one syllable?
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>To me this is crazy, users have been asking for subscription baised distributions for a long time. If Mandrake would just put out a magazine that included periodic updates they'd have a userbase they could count and direct market other products.
This is a damn good idea. A mandrake linux magazine! I'd definately buy that. They could have 2 sections, the newbie and the expert sections where they cover general use (newbie) and software details (programming, server software, etc. expert). Hmm, maybe a subscription based online magazine would do it (but I'd prefer to have it in print if possible). Something else that they could do with the subscription is make available the periodic updates.
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Then jump on the expert mailing list and ask your* **
questions there.
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Well, in a way he is right. Most users are not that clued in. I think you'll find that the slashdot crowd is not indicative of those in the "normal" everyday world. First let me qualify that by saying that I'm a support person so I get more than my share of clueless users. Users in my experience don't care much about having a diverse user experience (yes I'm sure you can come up with 100+1 examples to the contrary, but I'm not trying to prove a universally quantified statement). Users usually just want to get their current task at hand done as easily and as quickly as possible.
That's great if you're trying to consolidate your monopoly position, but it does absolutely no good whatsoever for the advancement of anything whatsoever.
Well, that's a fairly closed minded approach. You say it does no good for the advancement of anything. Really? Here is a counter example. His point about commercial developers wanting/preferring a single api to write to when developing software is generally accurate. Software companies only have so many resources and skilled people. Why would you want to have to pick a desktop to write to? If I pick GNOME or KDE I run the risk of reducing the market for my product (due to desktop bigots, interoperability issues, etc.) Writing to two desktops also lengthens my development time which reduces the profitability of my software. What company wants to do that? (Yes, I know it is possible to run one from the other, but it doesn't produce a consistent user experience, and the standards/formats of certain things are different, calendars, address books, and they are put in different places. Maybe I'm wrong and this has changed?)
Besides which, the problems with a monoculture are legion...I hardly think I need to go there.
The problems with diversity are also legion, if not greater.
And yes, alot of people are just that stupid. Although I realise where you are coming from. The ??? literate always assume that other people are at the same level, when in fact they are not. Hey, my father is a doctor, my mother is a nurse, and yet, my 4 year old son if far more proficient with a computer than they are, (he can install and use Linux by himself, with some help in the disk partitioning area). Does that make them stupid? No. My father does cancer research for crying out loud. The point is, they have a different set of expertise and that comes with a different set of assumtions about the way things work, and the fact that, they just don't care or need to know about the diversities of the computer using experience.
Frankly, the attitude I see with regards to this is just juvenile. How did this guy get mod +4?
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>At least I don't have to compile Windows
*
You loss man.
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RE 1) Like the anonymous poster below anyone who uses those features in a big project needs to be shot.
.
RE 2) Umm excuse me but *you* obviously have no idea of what you are talking about. I do work in an enterprise company, (a telco with >100,000 employees, I think that's pretty enterprise) and we *do* use java. Also, java is very much in demand in the market place. Just ask any corprate recruiter. (One of my best friends is one and tells my this regularly). Success is a factor of marketing? Well I guess it depends on who determines the success, oneline forums? magazines? press releases? How about cold hard cash? Our customers determine whether we are successful and they aren't complaining.
RE 3) Your point? other than to be a nuisance? Don't give me that condescending 'I feel superior b/c I use a commandline' crap. BOTH commandline and gui have their place.
Obviously you are a bigot. Just save it for somewhere else.
This is why I rarely read slashdot anymore. The quality and rationale of the general readership has plummeted from 3-4 years ago,
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Because everyone is looking for screenshots! :)
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I believe you need to use ipsec for that.* *********
If you have it compiled as a module just insert it. I haven't tried it myself though so I couldn't
say if it works. Last I remember seeing it was
labelled experimental.
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On the flip side, I went to Arizona on a mission for the church and I had heart problems while I was there. (I am a heart patient). The G.P. (general physician -your normal doctor) thought I had mono, or the plague! I did have insurance so I went to see a cardiologist. He did the required tests but wouldn't even look at them until the insurance company paid him. In the mean time I almost died. I had to go back to Vancouver for open heart surgery. The surgeon told me that 3 or 4 more days and I would have been dead. (cause: Severe Endocarditis). The day after I was in Vancouver I was scheduled for surgery and in the O.R. the day after. Meanwhile the test results were still sitting on the American Cardiologists desk!
Needless to say, my impression of the American health care system is not very good.
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Being N or S isn't the only factor in how warm or
cold it is going to be. There are other factors,
altitude, jetstream, humidity, etc.
eg. Vancouver is north of Boston, Chicago, etc,
but it only snows once every 5 years or so in Vancouver and normal winter temperature is around -5 to +5.
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I was under the impression that DCOP was the KDE answer for network transparency and that KParts was used on the local machine.* ****
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As other people have pointed out.. the actual* **********
press releases say they are porting it to UNIX.
They don't mention Linux specifically as the
target platform. I think we are jumping to
conclusions.
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Maybe they should open source their office suite.* **
SO w/ gnome and WP with kde would be great!
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You've been hired to do a job. Period. That job involves working for people who's ideals are different than your's (and mine). They want you to implement a solution that protects their ideals. Being that you are being paid to do this for them your ideals don't get to enter into it.
.02$*
If you find yourself facing a job that clashes with your ideals and you are uncertain about it don't take the job. However, if you do take the job, knowing what it entails and they are paying you you have two options:
1) Quit, citing possibly a conflict of interest. (this isn't really a lie)
2) Shut up and do the job you are being paid to do. If you are a member of the organisation that is implementing this project then you have a say, otherwise you don't. If it's a government thing, complain to your local representative.
just my
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I just don't think it's fair to ask trolltech or
bully them into making QT LGPL'd. This would be
taking their bread and butter. These guys gotta
eat too.
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Bero-rh,
* *****
Why roll a new framework though? There do exist
some decent c++ api's around gtk, like VDK.
http://vdkbuilder.sourceforge.net/vdk.html
it's under the LGPL and there is a VDKBuilder
IDE licensed under the GPL.
What is the rational for building a new framework?
Have you guys ever looked at this project?
GeekBoy
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Unfortunatly you are VERY correct here. I managed
* **
to convince my brother to pitch in money to buy
myth2 for linux. We loved the demo so we thought
that we'd buy the game. However, the game wasn't
really playable for us for months as we waited for
loki to release patches and 3dfx to fix the glide
libs so that it wouldn't crash at the end of every
level. Also, I had to do too much work to get it
setup and usable in everyone's account. There are
still issues with it and the multi user nature of
linux. (i.e. he can't get sound when logging in
on another virtual terminal if I'm logged into
X too on say vt7, even if I'm not running anything
that uses sound).
Unfortunatly now my brother thinks linux
sucks and is less stable than windows. (Although
this isn't linux's fault he doesn't realise that).
The worst part is I won't ever be able to convince
him to buy a game for linux anymore and he tells
his friends too that linux is ok if you're a geek
but it sucks for games.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Well, it can if you can code. :) I use to program in ONLY vi, with a bash shell and gcc/g++ Then I decided to try kwrite (the editor for kdevelop that some of you are bitching about) and I liked it's syntax highlighting and multiple/vertical/persistent selections stuff. Then I decided to give kdevelop a shot and soon was doing all of my assignments in kdevelop. My friend and I did our final project in kdevelop too. If you use the dialogs for adding methods and classes and remember to put in the comments at that time (and of course you can code well) it produces nice looking code and also easily (with one click) produces nicely done api documentation in html.
These little things (and of course like I said good coding) earned us 26 out of 20 on our final project. In fact the marker was so impressed with the api documentation and our good coding that he forwarded the project to the professor and recommended that the professor take a look personally.
So if you can code and know how to use the few little convieniences that kdevelop provides it can even help your grades! Doing that api documentation by hand would have been a real bitch and waste of time in my opinion.
On the "it looks like microsoft" front, I honestly don't remember what visual studio looks like but who cares? MS does do some things right I mean just because we hate them it doesn't mean that they have stupid people working for them; and one thing that they do do well is user interfaces. (well most of the time anyways. Their latest efforts are questionable i.e. office2000)
[for the flamers and trolls on this thread]
Oh yeah, learn to use something and use it well before you criticise it. Especially when it is open source and the result of someone elses hard and FREE work. You don't have to like it but don't slam it, especially without knowing it WELL. Come on guys lets act like professionals.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Actually run level three is does not start X
* ********
in mandrake. I know I use it on occasion
(run level 3 that is).
I specified run level 1 b/c I though it might be easier for him. Of course you are right. Run level
three is more appropriate.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Hi,
:) )
/etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config.old" .. I think that's it. One of the first two are the best anyways.
* *****
Sorry I'm writing you from windows (was playing starcraft again
Anyways, you can reconfigure X w/o X easily.
1) boot into run level 1. At the lilo prompt type "linux 1"
2) When you are in console mode backup your existing XF86Config file "cp
When you get back home just copy it back to haw it was before.
3) The you can run: Xconfigurator, or XF86Setup, or xf86config
4) After that's done and X is configured type "telinit 5"
That'll switch you to run level 5 and start the graphics logon for you. If for any reason it died it's b/c you either
a) screwed up on your X configuration or
b) the font server didn't start. (you can start it by hand by typing "/etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs start" as root.
Cheers,
GeekBoy
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
I tried running with it and Netscape bus errored
until I undefined the LD_PRELOAD env variable they
have you set. When I undefined it netscape worked
fine. Although it was probably netscapes problem.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Well there is a way to do cryptanalysis on DES,
* **
kinda, sorta, not really,
it's called
differential cryptanalysis and it's based on a
known plaintext attack (which means you have some
plaintext and some cyphertext), but it's
really nasty to do and even harder past 6 round
DES.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Yeah,
* *****
The poster before you is Gavriel. He is one
of the lead software guru's at Corel, who incidentally works on wine if I'm not mistaken.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
I don't know about painter, poser, etc. But Bryce 4.0 runs well under Linux via wine. There are some redraw problems but I think those can be fixed by switching your Xserver to 8 or 16bpp. In any event it hasn't crashed on me.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu
Ok, I'll admit it is better WHEN it WORKS. I have* ******
some docs that it just pukes on that work fine
with 5.1 Hopefully they will fix it before they
release.
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Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance. -Sifu