I'd have sympathy for anyone in their situation who did not refer to themselves as slaves or indentured servants or whatever, there are thousands (possibly millions?) of people in this situation in the world, for a bunch of Starbucks drinking Apple employees to refer to their unpaid overtime as slavery is just disgusting and insensitive
Apple employees should just suck it up and take it. You don't like it, go somewhere else to work. Apple I am sure is strongly considering moving the company to parts Europe so they don't have to deal with the likes of these over-paid labor sensitive people here in the US.
Not to mention, because it's getting too hard to lower wages and earnings, labor costs are cheaper in Europe and Mexico. So you know this is definitely on the table.
Minimum wage here in Ireland works out to $12.90, that's twice what some places in America have, and AFAIK there is NOWHERE in America with a higher minimum wage, Europe can be a lot more expensive than America for labour costs, basically because workers rights and a fair wage actually mean something here.
Unless you meant Eastern Europe, in which case you're right.
inb4 "-1, troll" for pointing out that Europe is better than America
I know there are ways to escape this situation, but there are also ways to escape literal slavery.
That's why there's practically no slavery around in the world, thanks for that clarification. It's not like real slaves are at risk of being killed, raped or tortured if they try to leave, they're just too lazy to write up their letter of resignation
I know, let's sue apple so they have a good excuse to even further outsource their workforce and employ *no* US citizens. Then they could lower prices, improve quality, *and* still make more money.
We all know Apple will never lower prices, the fanbois will continue getting ripped off even more than they are now and they'll still spend their time fantasising about Steve Jobs cock and ignoring the gigantic rip-off
I dont know (I didnt RTFA) what their salaries are, but I am pretty sure that these "poor" "slaves" are making more than 75% than the rest of the people living in the USA (which makes them make more than 99% than the rest of the people in the world).
$50 a month... Far less than %75 of what Americans make, far less than minimum wage in any first world country I know of (Might be wrong about that, Ireland apparently has a huge minimum wage and I don't really know much others)
They picked the launch date of Vista to the public, January 2007, and the most recent month they have numbers for. Does seem like they carefully chose numbers from anywhere, that's exactly the way I'd expect this study to be done, and their claim is exactly true to the word.
Of course the way you chose those number is obviously suspect, namely that is raises the question "Why isn't he including the data back to Vista's launch data?"
I think this points to how anonymity is *usually* used for evil, instead of good like most geeks think about it.
One lawsuit can't prove that something is "usually" true or false. What it shows is that in at least 2 cases (one for each of the trolls) anonymity is used for evil. You need a lot more than 2 cases to say that the majority of anonymous people on the internet are using it for evil
I can't think of a single messenger service that comes close to IRC in terms of usefulness, all messengers I know about are designed for conversations with 2 people (they support more but it's a lot of hassle and involves inviting people to conversations, rather than people just joining)
Most of the KDE apps are just about integration, but there are a lot that I'd use, Dolphin, Amarok, K3B, Konversation, Dragon Player (Just in that it's very light and quick to use, not claiming it's "better" in any technical sense) and possibly KTorrent I would use a lot on Windows if I could.
Not to mention the KDE games are generally better than any other desktop games (although desktop games in general are only good for time-wasting:P).
However I think the DE itself WILL be able to run on Windows, I've seen some screenshots ages ago and vaguely recall hearing about how it will change your startup screen to allow you to choose between KDE4 and Explorer.
Closer, but not quite there yet. Small problems like this are what is holding it back. However, with that said, I, for one, can't wait to get my hands on this.
There was a lot of discussion about this, the KDE developers eventually decided NOT to fix these issues themselves because they are due to broken drivers, basically you either have to apply those config changes or hope NVidia improves their drivers.
I can't imagine how those drivers got so messed up, I've heard that any desktop effects are painfully slow on brand new NVidia cards, yet I'm sitting here running KDE4.1 with a 64MB GeForce 4 MX (which is like 5-6 years old I think) and it runs very fast...
Firefox 3 still looks like crap by default because it's a GTK program, you can use gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to make it play nicer with QT (Looks close to, but not exactly like, a QT4 program).
I also use an Oxygen icon theme for Firefox, since that program doesn't change any icons.
The scrollbar bug doesn't happen for me, not entirely sure under what conditions it happens, it's also possible that it has been fixed in newer version of that software or only happened with FF2.
I'm ashamed of my tinfoil hat status for this one...
But generally companies don't do all that stuff just to protect their protocol, unless they have some kind of backdoor(s?) to hide of course.
It's not the default for 8.04, there's a KDE3 CD which is the default, and a "KDE4 Remix" CD, which is clearly marked as such, and was never intended to be default.
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My mistake, I assumed he was talking about the iPod workers in China, since that's what he was replying to.
Only on /. could this be considered off-topic.
I'd have sympathy for anyone in their situation who did not refer to themselves as slaves or indentured servants or whatever, there are thousands (possibly millions?) of people in this situation in the world, for a bunch of Starbucks drinking Apple employees to refer to their unpaid overtime as slavery is just disgusting and insensitive
Apple employees should just suck it up and take it. You don't like it, go somewhere else to work. Apple I am sure is strongly considering moving the company to parts Europe so they don't have to deal with the likes of these over-paid labor sensitive people here in the US.
Not to mention, because it's getting too hard to lower wages and earnings, labor costs are cheaper in Europe and Mexico. So you know this is definitely on the table.
Minimum wage here in Ireland works out to $12.90, that's twice what some places in America have, and AFAIK there is NOWHERE in America with a higher minimum wage, Europe can be a lot more expensive than America for labour costs, basically because workers rights and a fair wage actually mean something here.
Unless you meant Eastern Europe, in which case you're right.
inb4 "-1, troll" for pointing out that Europe is better than America
I know there are ways to escape this situation, but there are also ways to escape literal slavery.
That's why there's practically no slavery around in the world, thanks for that clarification. It's not like real slaves are at risk of being killed, raped or tortured if they try to leave, they're just too lazy to write up their letter of resignation
I know, let's sue apple so they have a good excuse to even further outsource their workforce and employ *no* US citizens. Then they could lower prices, improve quality, *and* still make more money.
We all know Apple will never lower prices, the fanbois will continue getting ripped off even more than they are now and they'll still spend their time fantasising about Steve Jobs cock and ignoring the gigantic rip-off
I dont know (I didnt RTFA) what their salaries are, but I am pretty sure that these "poor" "slaves" are making more than 75% than the rest of the people living in the USA (which makes them make more than 99% than the rest of the people in the world).
$50 a month... Far less than %75 of what Americans make, far less than minimum wage in any first world country I know of (Might be wrong about that, Ireland apparently has a huge minimum wage and I don't really know much others)
Well it wasn't him that modded it Troll or Flamebait, if it was then he couldn't post here without undoing the mod
Does seem like they carefully chose numbers from anywhere, that's exactly the way I'd expect this study to be done
Damn, meant to be doesn't
They picked the launch date of Vista to the public, January 2007, and the most recent month they have numbers for. Does seem like they carefully chose numbers from anywhere, that's exactly the way I'd expect this study to be done, and their claim is exactly true to the word.
Of course the way you chose those number is obviously suspect, namely that is raises the question "Why isn't he including the data back to Vista's launch data?"
The joke was that "format" isn't a Linux command, and a partition can't be called "c:"... So "format c:" does absolutely nothing in Linux
At that rate we'll see the year of the Linux desktop in well under 200 years
Mac users are far too smart, they never troll because trolling if for idiot Windows or Linux users. There's a lot of condescending insults though
? I just read the whole thing and I'm no member
I think this points to how anonymity is *usually* used for evil, instead of good like most geeks think about it.
One lawsuit can't prove that something is "usually" true or false. What it shows is that in at least 2 cases (one for each of the trolls) anonymity is used for evil. You need a lot more than 2 cases to say that the majority of anonymous people on the internet are using it for evil
I can't think of a single messenger service that comes close to IRC in terms of usefulness, all messengers I know about are designed for conversations with 2 people (they support more but it's a lot of hassle and involves inviting people to conversations, rather than people just joining)
It's true it is against the 4th Amendment. However the U.S. Constitution is pretty much a piece of ass wipe your elected officials use daily anymore.
Most of the KDE apps are just about integration, but there are a lot that I'd use, Dolphin, Amarok, K3B, Konversation, Dragon Player (Just in that it's very light and quick to use, not claiming it's "better" in any technical sense) and possibly KTorrent I would use a lot on Windows if I could.
:P).
Not to mention the KDE games are generally better than any other desktop games (although desktop games in general are only good for time-wasting
However I think the DE itself WILL be able to run on Windows, I've seen some screenshots ages ago and vaguely recall hearing about how it will change your startup screen to allow you to choose between KDE4 and Explorer.
Closer, but not quite there yet. Small problems like this are what is holding it back. However, with that said, I, for one, can't wait to get my hands on this.
There was a lot of discussion about this, the KDE developers eventually decided NOT to fix these issues themselves because they are due to broken drivers, basically you either have to apply those config changes or hope NVidia improves their drivers.
I can't imagine how those drivers got so messed up, I've heard that any desktop effects are painfully slow on brand new NVidia cards, yet I'm sitting here running KDE4.1 with a 64MB GeForce 4 MX (which is like 5-6 years old I think) and it runs very fast...
Firefox 3 still looks like crap by default because it's a GTK program, you can use gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to make it play nicer with QT (Looks close to, but not exactly like, a QT4 program).
I also use an Oxygen icon theme for Firefox, since that program doesn't change any icons.
The scrollbar bug doesn't happen for me, not entirely sure under what conditions it happens, it's also possible that it has been fixed in newer version of that software or only happened with FF2.
Thou wilt be charged what thou art willing to pay for it.
That's not quite true of course. Anyone who had the choice of paying $1 or $100 dollars for the exact same product would pay the lower price.
The saying generally means you will be charged the highest price that they think you'd pay for it, not whatever price you actually want to pay for it.
I'm ashamed of my tinfoil hat status for this one...
But generally companies don't do all that stuff just to protect their protocol, unless they have some kind of backdoor(s?) to hide of course.
That's irrelevant because it's not what the OP said?
No they won't complain, they'll get about 8 new visitors to their site, almost doubling their reach
It's not the default for 8.04, there's a KDE3 CD which is the default, and a "KDE4 Remix" CD, which is clearly marked as such, and was never intended to be default.