You know, I like to toy around with things all the time and often I have to clean up a big mess I made or spend many hours figuring out how something goes back together.
I at least have the decency to only break my own things.
Really? More evil than DeBeers, Walmart, Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, GM, Whole Foods, Microsoft and Verizon(or $telco_here)?
Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds, worker exploitation, war profiteering, building unsafe cars, soaking the general consumer, releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week?
Really? evil?
Uhduh, yeah. Why are you trying to be so specific about something so fucking obvious?
Or connect something directly to the LCD output from the display and pipe it into something to interpret the bits as an image and output it to your connection of choice. That's a gap that just can't possibly be closed.
Unless you require media to be transmitted directly into someone's head. There's something like that in EVE Online's prime fiction.
I disagree that they're liable for disabling that feature. They have said that feature might go away in the manual and it's not advertised on the box.
What if they removed the ability to play Blu-Ray movies, or games, or deleted all of your DLC every month and made you repurchase it to have it? Where would you draw the line?
Something that worked on earlier versions of the PS3, and was even developed by Sony. Imagine the PS4 removing Blu-Ray support, with a firmware update while the necessary hardware components still exist.
I'd be willing to bet that almost no one is listening to them. Go to a Gamestop or Best Buy and ask the people in the PS3 section about running Linux on their PS3 and how this update disables it on older models. You will get blank stares.
Funny you mention that, I just had someone working at Gamestop bitching about how the Slim doesn't have "Other OS", then their manager got in on the discussion.
Don't try to slippery slope argue support into existence. Yeah, they came for the OtherOS and I said nothing because I didn't care. That isn't likely to have any effect on my ability to play God of War 3 any time soon. If they come for the God of War 3 players, I hereby grant you license to mock me. If they don't... well, yeah. They won't.
"Slippery Slope" isn't a definite fallacy; let's look at the history. They've already killed off backwards compatability (software emulation, not just the Emotion engine stuff), SACD (An invention of Sony's own) and now GNU/Linux (Other OS whatever). There's a trend developing, though I'm not terribly clear what the point is.
dont buy it, if you dont like it. You can also sell it as used. Thats the biggest Hack. (If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful. But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you).
Yes, sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW. When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor (if you where interested in touch). Now there are many. When the PS3 came out, it was probably better and faster than the current PCs. no probably not (i dont know, not seriously interested).
Boycott isn't the only way to fight a corporation doing something you don't like. There's other ways, such as voicing your opinions and giving the corporation financial incentive to appease the crowd.
but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.
Which amount to what? 1% or less of the total PS3 owners?
I would say even less. Maybe 0.01%. I would really like this feature but it wont turn me off from PS3 - it's media streaming is superb compared to 360 and generally I feel nicer to play games on it. I didn't buy PS3 to run a Linux - I bought it to play games. If i wanted to run Linux or such, I would had just build such box (like I have).
I bought a PS3 for the same reason, but how long might it be until they retract a feature you are concerned about?
That said, you can surf the web right on the PS3 w/out linux at all.
As a new "slim" PS3 owner, I beg to differ - you can't really surf the web using the PS3 browser. Not well, anyway. I encounter stuff all the time that won't display properly (video from CBS.COM is a recent example). My wife would rather watch streaming video on her 15" laptop than try to get the PS3 browser to navigate to the right website and take the gamble that it might actually display on the 67" HDTV. My attempts to convince her otherwise usually end in me giving up 10 minutes later, with the PS3 browser disappointing me. But obviously, I personally won't be losing any functionality with this update, since the slim never had the "Install Other OS".
YouTube even has a specific, "PS3 Friendly" format that doesn't work worth shit either.
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You know, I like to toy around with things all the time and often I have to clean up a big mess I made or spend many hours figuring out how something goes back together.
I at least have the decency to only break my own things.
Really? More evil than DeBeers, Walmart, Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, GM, Whole Foods, Microsoft and Verizon(or $telco_here)?
Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds, worker exploitation, war profiteering, building unsafe cars, soaking the general consumer, releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week?
Really? evil?
Uhduh, yeah. Why are you trying to be so specific about something so fucking obvious?
I'll summarize...
"Fuck you."
Or connect something directly to the LCD output from the display and pipe it into something to interpret the bits as an image and output it to your connection of choice. That's a gap that just can't possibly be closed.
Unless you require media to be transmitted directly into someone's head. There's something like that in EVE Online's prime fiction.
I guess your decree would be to suggest people live by their own decrees!
I disagree that they're liable for disabling that feature. They have said that feature might go away in the manual and it's not advertised on the box.
What if they removed the ability to play Blu-Ray movies, or games, or deleted all of your DLC every month and made you repurchase it to have it? Where would you draw the line?
That's true, but what about when an update introduces a feature that would incidentally benefit a Linux user?
Don't forget SACD, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD
Something that worked on earlier versions of the PS3, and was even developed by Sony. Imagine the PS4 removing Blu-Ray support, with a firmware update while the necessary hardware components still exist.
I'd be willing to bet that almost no one is listening to them. Go to a Gamestop or Best Buy and ask the people in the PS3 section about running Linux on their PS3 and how this update disables it on older models. You will get blank stares.
Funny you mention that, I just had someone working at Gamestop bitching about how the Slim doesn't have "Other OS", then their manager got in on the discussion.
You can thank this guy for ruining it for everyone.
Never blame a person for their own curiosity.
Don't try to slippery slope argue support into existence. Yeah, they came for the OtherOS and I said nothing because I didn't care. That isn't likely to have any effect on my ability to play God of War 3 any time soon. If they come for the God of War 3 players, I hereby grant you license to mock me. If they don't... well, yeah. They won't.
"Slippery Slope" isn't a definite fallacy; let's look at the history. They've already killed off backwards compatability (software emulation, not just the Emotion engine stuff), SACD (An invention of Sony's own) and now GNU/Linux (Other OS whatever). There's a trend developing, though I'm not terribly clear what the point is.
dont buy it, if you dont like it. You can also sell it as used. Thats the biggest Hack. (If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful. But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you).
Yes, sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW. When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor (if you where interested in touch). Now there are many. When the PS3 came out, it was probably better and faster than the current PCs. no probably not (i dont know, not seriously interested).
Boycott isn't the only way to fight a corporation doing something you don't like. There's other ways, such as voicing your opinions and giving the corporation financial incentive to appease the crowd.
[...] despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch.
They do not speak for all of us. I had great respect for Sony's relative generosity with a gaming console.
but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.
Which amount to what? 1% or less of the total PS3 owners?
I would say even less. Maybe 0.01%. I would really like this feature but it wont turn me off from PS3 - it's media streaming is superb compared to 360 and generally I feel nicer to play games on it. I didn't buy PS3 to run a Linux - I bought it to play games. If i wanted to run Linux or such, I would had just build such box (like I have).
I bought a PS3 for the same reason, but how long might it be until they retract a feature you are concerned about?
Your monitor, graphics card support hdcp through dvi.
Try using a really old lcd monitor.
Yeah, DVI can be HDCP compliant as long as you don't try to use a DVI to VGA connector.
Wait, no, 10,000. That's even better!
Which amount to what? 1% or less of the total PS3 owners?
1% of 1,000,000 is still 1,000. That's a lot of people to deal with.
In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit. Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]
Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.
Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.
For some reason I read that at first as "vegetarian circumcision"...
Think critically.
Network media, browser - both of these are possible exploit vectors.
But on the original point - When Sony decide to remove the media client, are you going to perhaps view lost value then?
I'm starting to feel very protective over my PS3...
Something sounds awfully fishy about this. If it's real, that's not exactly a day I'd want to release something like this.
Yeah, maybe 3.21 (such a waste of such a perfect revision number, almost as good as 1.23 or 6.66 or 3.14) will add Other OS to Slims.
That said, you can surf the web right on the PS3 w/out linux at all.
As a new "slim" PS3 owner, I beg to differ - you can't really surf the web using the PS3 browser. Not well, anyway. I encounter stuff all the time that won't display properly (video from CBS.COM is a recent example). My wife would rather watch streaming video on her 15" laptop than try to get the PS3 browser to navigate to the right website and take the gamble that it might actually display on the 67" HDTV. My attempts to convince her otherwise usually end in me giving up 10 minutes later, with the PS3 browser disappointing me. But obviously, I personally won't be losing any functionality with this update, since the slim never had the "Install Other OS".
YouTube even has a specific, "PS3 Friendly" format that doesn't work worth shit either.
gnash will support it at some point. Sure not today but it would have been an option.
Gnash missed that boat already. I've given up on "open" Flash.
PS3: "It only did everything!"
OK, smart-ass, where's the supported "install other OS" option on the XBox or Wii?
Consoles are all about copy protection and control by the manufacturer. Might as well buy an iPhone to run Android on.
You haven't convinced me of anything. You only made some claims as if they have factual relevance.
Most grass is green. The ocean appears blue. Planes can fly in the air. So what are you trying to say?