I couldn't agree more. Like having the cure to AIDS and keeping quiet, the cure to death is much the same. I try to find ways to share this information as much as possible (without ticking people off).
But understand that this is different from all other scientific finds: it's an eternal quantity. If you see a unicorn, -> there it is. Take a photo, get a witness, get it notarized. Christianity is different; *you* have to go looking for him, and empirical proof isn't avaialable.
Before Christ, it was a complicated, rigid set of rules that would gain one a happy place in the beyond. "Schoolmaster rules", I've heard it called. 640 commandments, plus the ones you know.
Since the death/rebirth of Christ the rules are simpler- in any language (or none at all), in any place on Earth or nearby, YOU ask for him. You don't need to be a Jew or a painter, a king or a pawn. But there will never be "proof", other than a boatload of evidence. If you had proof, faith wouldn't have any meaning, now, would it?
When you're genuine in your request you'll get three anomalies:
1. An answer to prayer. Mine was being transferred, the next DAY to a better job.
2. A permanent change in yourself. Mine was losing age-old depression that had me attempting suicide at age 5, trying to hang from a tree. Until recently it's been months of bad days, but now, no more.
3. A hunger for the word. Instead of tuning past the sermons, you'll realize that there's all kinds of information there, you just need to get it.
Some surprising (and hidden) realities of Christianity:
1. "Prayer without Ceasing"; when you "talk to yourself", Christ wants us to talk to _Him_. Include him. Once in a while strange things happen, unless you've been in on the 'conversation'.
2. The name Jesus Christ is more than a curse-word; it's the way to get His immediate attention. It's intended to spot anomalies- you'll learn what that's for, later.
3. You're never "done"; you'll still screw up. No one ever is. No matter how "perfect" you may seem, it's never complete. See also: David, and tons of evangilists.
4. People, despite bringing a message of love and acceptance will call you names, deny you jobs, censor your messages where possible, and possibly take your life. You're called all kinds of things you're not, like intolerant, blind, cruel, or whatever's popular that day.
But it IS the completion; it IS what people go up on mountains to find. It's a peace you can't get anywhere else, and it extinguishes the desire to find "that thing"...the thing most people try to fill with booze, sex, violence, or drugs. Even my worst days are better than the good days I used to have. Chose it or don't, it's about peace and finding your place.
Well thanks for the kind words. I see it as, "Is Copurnicous still wrong?" Relgious folk get used to an integer world-view until they find out there's more to the story...and there is.
For example, the list of animals Noah was to gather wasn't *all* animals...it was several small categories. They woulda fit in a rowboat, FCOL. But as time goes on, we learn more about the Bible. And re-thinking what's already known only does us good.
I'm a Christian; that doesn't mean I merely GO to church, but I've made contact with the larger intelligence, and we have a relationship. (In case the word "saved" curls your skin.)
I have no problem with the Big Bang. The singularity that marked the beginning with "let there be light", and the fact that the galaxies are moving away and accellerating only strenthens the argument there was a beginning, not an oscillation.
Humans are carbon-based, and animals are, too, so we'd have food. It doesn't work the other way. I have NO PROBLEM with evolution (the change-over-time) aspect, nor do I have an issue with mankind starting as an ape-like being which one day found it's soul.
What I *do* have a problem with, is preachers that still say mankind is only 6,000 years old, never had prototypes (apes) in his development, or that science and the Bible are at odds.
[Delay while a hush fills the room...]
Precisely because the Bible has room for all this stuff. It mentions giants and other creatures. It's not a play-by-play of the billion years before man. It's not a total list of all creatures ever made, though it *does* list the development of plant categories, and it matches the fossil record.
So can we deflate a bunch of the "Evolution is wrong" arguments, at the outset?
Me, too. Just try to get a (working)(Linux) laptop for that price! I'm on the road a lot; this would be a good thing for me. And if I buy one and it helps the cause, what's not to like?
It's just the steps science takes, thinking itself perfect.
Remember the GM corn, and how the scientist told the farmers how, "It's ok, just plant it 200 yards away from other corn." Meanwhile the most common honeybee in America can fly five miles a _day_ to it's polination chores.
If black holes are the size of strawberries, and we're dealing with microscopic attempts, that's not a huge distance to be wrong; consider the "strawberry" being powerful enough to move a _galaxy_; it wouldn't seem much to move a building...power source, or other dangerous thing, no?
I have the solution. It's been the solution to many problems, and since this "problem" seems to come from the same people, I'm sure it will work.
Other problems that have been solved:
The population bomb (~1970) Invasion of Killer Bees (1977) The coming ice age (~1974) The ozone hole (~1980's) Acid rain that makes kids stay indoors (1974)
Theory of operation: Any problem that can only be solved by sending money to Washington DC can wait.
This party has quite a track record of the Chicken Little role. And each time the only way it'll be solved is to shut down our factories, turn out pockets inside-out, while the rest of the world, somehow, can go on without a single change of their own habits. (See also: Kyoto Accords).
When a political party owns the media, games like these can be played.
Sure there's climate change. Happens all the time. The LCO, for example, which gave Greenland it's peculiar name. But saying that THIS TIME it's because of raising our standard of living is just ridiculous. Using the same tactics these people are using, I could start a movement based on cats falling from the sky. "It musta been because we invented Television!" (See? Ludicrous)
Guys, the Earth is SO VERY much larger than we are, no matter what EarthShare.org suggest. This is just a media fad; it will pass.
First, undeniably, I'm categorically happy when the little guys get things done, leaving the big bureacracy in the mud.
But notice; these are the people with the $600 toilet seats. These people need a million dollars just to decide if they HAVE a million dollars. Putting money in these people's hands ensures that 1% gets to it's destination.
So: do we really want to rely on our government for our every need? Do you think they'd take the time, and make better judgements than we would at the local level? I think you know the answer to that.
When the Congress was in direct contol of the USPS, they wasted MILLIONS on simple crap like "The uniforms should be blue, with grey stripes!" and about the time they arrived, "No, wait! They should be grey with BLUE stripes!". As much as he was a crook, Richard Nixon did one thing that improved your life: he's credited with the reformation, a relative privatization of the USPS. This included the zip code, the idea that "we only get so much- we can't waste it" and "lets charge less if the senders do the sorting for us".
This revamp made a HUGE change in the sucess of the postal service. Giving anything to Congress means they will micro-manage it; it's their way.
A similar problem exists in the Pentagon, as this story shows.
Know who got this right, when it was most important? Britain.
Before the war, they needed a fighter plane, but couldn't make it LOOK like they were shopping for one. (Might push them into war) They held "Float Plane Races" and offered huge contracts for the one that could make it around the track the fastest. Well, take off the floats, and you get a light, strong, fast aircraft that can carry bombs, too. It quite literally saved Britain that Supermarine was able to win that little race. Might have even saved the world.
But remember that ever time you ask for your government for something that wasn't in the original Constituion (like welfare, farm subsidies and the like) we're using the wrong tool for the job. See AMTrack; there are routes based on which senator wants it to go. It goes places people don't need. And it's about to cost billions just to bail it out, AGAIN. Disaster.
Smaller government is good. I just wish the Republicans hadn't forgotten that.
Yep, that's why VMWare is there. Ever try it? It's astonishingly good. And it lets you put a "wrapper" around Windows so the viruses don't stake it in the heart.
Again, free, easy, with tech support.
But I agree with your point: it's been LONG time for these programs to come available. New accounting programs are there, but none are quite as easy as Quicken, for example. But getting these programs to Linux is all about _running_ Linux; if the vendors see a crowd heading their way, they'll make offerings. LokiSoft was able to 'port' brand new Windows games in only 2 months; I still run them today...but they have to have people interested in them.
Oh...you'd have to hire administrators; interesting point. Microsoft has suggested in their advertising that one day there'd BE no administrators. (Some people actually believe it...)
But I think the core you're suggesting is that, unwilling to learn Linux, your company couldn't pay to run Windows AND Linux...you're already a cost-center in the IT picture.
Keep in mind: 1 good Linux admin can handle thousands of machines. 1 Good Microsoft admin can handle 40, then you need more people. Not my opinion- the opinion of the industry. You can hate it, or (as I've heard from so many Microsofties) you can leave it; your choice. Adapt and live, or remain rigid and get called a "dinosaur".
I couldn't have argued for Ubuntu Dapper more eloquently.
No worries about kernel details; no concerns to mention, as long as you're not trying to dual-boot, mount NTFS from a remote device encrypted in EBCDIC. Ubuntu is for people. It's simple. It's capable.
I've been in computing since before Microsoft. A day that I need to worry about kernel parts or unpacking tarballs just makes me wretch. THAT's why I love Ubuntu. Media, networking, email, desktop publishing, all the things that make life easier, are there.
Try it. But don't try it to see how much like Windows it is- it's not.
Right; just tools. Ever pick up a cresent wrench that said "I'm sorry- you'll have to contact tech support for a contract"? No- that's what makes non-Microsoft things better.
"Scotty: prepare to beam down to the planet."
"But sir- our teleport support team isn't answering the phone..."
It's about good tools. And using good tools to make your life better is _fun_.
So...you've never used it. Ok. I usually get the most 'smoke' from people who see Linux as a threat, that tried it back around Redhat 5.0. It's ok, there will always be a Microsoft solution for you.
(The thing installs with only one reboot and six questions- one of them is YOUR NAME. It doesn't get much easier than that. Oh- and all the software is available strictly by GUI, just look it up from the main menu. You'll find all that OpenOffice stuff, as well as something like 20,000 other programs to install easily and quickly. But for some people that's just too hard.)
Just go Linux; be free. Especially Ubuntu; easy, free, capable and no threats. I keep telling people this, somehow they think Microsoft is some warm, fuzzy teet from which they won't wean.
Linux brings back the fun; to those times before Microsoft when you *owned* the computer, so you could put anything on it you wanted to. Guys with CP/M used to attach all kinds of funny things to their computers, always grinning when someone told them "it can't be done", yet there's the proof that it could.
And with the net, you can share the experience with everyone else. There's no "this year's agenda", there's no one to tell you no. Why on Earth would anyone give up that freedom, to get no technical support over the phone, net, or local computer store?
Wasn't the original usefulness of TIVO (before we realized it was nice to time-shift shows) to allow us to tell "the powers that be" what we liked or hated? I don't mean last week, but like circa *1996* or so?
Next you'll be telling me that when I join a music club they report my sales upstream!
All good points; but rather than belabor this forum with non-tech stuff any further, get the video. (If you were local to me, I'd bring it over on DVD to save you time.)
The first video's kinda dull, since it sets the ground rules. But from the second to the last, it's pretty cool. It's *not* "belive this 'cause it's in the Bible". It's "isn't it interesting the Bible's right _here_." It's not hard to understand, and has all the details, including the formulas, too.
And when you've seen a couple, feel free to write me. If he's wrong about anything, he'll want to know, too- he's that kinda guy. Write me first [so we don't Slashdot'im]: Brian@Fahrlander.net
This is NOT the same old, tired view you're used to seeing. That's why I suggest it.
Yeah, I should...but I have no idea of the numbers employed. You seem to be under a misconception: this entire thread is speculative. None of it is *in* the Bible, but is a search to support the most unprecedented, best-known activity in human memory.
I'd *love* to discuss this with atmospheric theorists, or people at NASA (part of the reason for bringing it up here) but I'm not a mathmatician. Logitian, maybe, because I love to figure things out.
Please; look at the video. This guy is a dyed-in-the-wool scientist (geology to be specific) and he has some fresh, new ways to look at this. His initial goal was to locate "every dumb thing in the Bible", but after three passes, he couldn't find anything that, given a few variables, didn't agree with our level of science at that time.
Then he asked, if there is a creation, there must be a God? And looking for things like a "mark of the creator" (like a certain style attributed to Frank Lloyd Wright houses) he found the Fibbonachi spiral: animals bearing this same mark, though it has nothing to do with mating, feeding, or survival, yet they're there. You've seen'em, too BTW, but you didn't notice.
So please- take a look. If you've got Democracy Player, its in there. Just start the torrent and let it go. All your questions, and most of your answers will be there.
And feel free to contact me with questions, though John Clayton has an email address, too [rather not get'im slashdotted...] I'm Brian@Fahrlander.net.
That's where the question of a *localized* flood comes in. But thanks for calling me a nutjob, anyway. That method is sure to assist you in convincing people you're open-minded in the future.
And where'd it go? Don't we lose both oxygen and water each day, slipping out into space? It makes at least as much sense as manmade-global-warming or other arguments that get such worldwide play.
This isn't *in* the Bible, it's an attempt to explain things like the waterfall-gouge that's found southwest of Portugal, and a search for more evidence of the flood.
All the replies I get are like this; they all make assumptions based on their own experiences, which, these days is from the media and culture. BUT IF THEY'D GO SEE THE SERIES, they could decide for themselves. (This is what the left calls being "open minded".)
As a Christian (not because of this series) I find it interesting how people will HACK their way into a site to see an child raped (for example) but the best way to keep people out is to express a faith in God. People will go to great lengths to settle the issue for themselves. Odd, isn't it?
I find it similarly odd that, despite all this checkability, people still dismiss it, or consider it the opposite of science.
SEE THE FILM...then make up your own minds. I promise you- no DRM, no taxes, and no one's gonna hold a gun to your head. It's just worth watching.
Really? Obviously you've not *seen* this series. Until you do, understand that you'll be considered a bigot...but whatever you want to do; you know best.
Well I keep hearing about ways to hold hydrogen in a solution, rather than 'the old metal tank' ('cause it will actually bleed through it). Slashdot's shown at least two other non-dangerous/non-radioactive choices for this...that'll change things, too.
No, I don't think you understand; this is a book written thousands of years before Einstien, and came to the same conclusion as him. It listed the growth stages of plants, which only in the last 100 years or so has shown to be right. It talks about how "the heavens opened" to create a flood mentioned by something like 110 civilizations...and if the magnetic poles changed [see current speculations] the Van Allen belts would temporarily collapse...causing the hydrogen and hydrogen ions to come in contact with the atmosphere's oxygen, tada, instant massive flood.
I know the media and the culture tell you it's all myths and stories, but can you, scientifically, deny that this document is *at*least* worth going to that website and learning more? (http://DoesGodExist.com)
Coleman makes a whole-house hydrogen-powered fuel cell. Think of it: if 1/3 of the homes had such fall-back strategies, there'd be a lot less power outtages and a lower demand on the main grid.
Personally, I'd LOVE to do something like this.
But keep in mind: as good as solar cells are, they can never be more than 50% effecient, on the ground.:(
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I couldn't agree more. Like having the cure to AIDS and keeping quiet, the cure to death is much the same. I try to find ways to share this information as much as possible (without ticking people off).
But understand that this is different from all other scientific finds: it's an eternal quantity. If you see a unicorn, -> there it is. Take a photo, get a witness, get it notarized. Christianity is different; *you* have to go looking for him, and empirical proof isn't avaialable.
Before Christ, it was a complicated, rigid set of rules that would gain one a happy place in the beyond. "Schoolmaster rules", I've heard it called. 640 commandments, plus the ones you know.
Since the death/rebirth of Christ the rules are simpler- in any language (or none at all), in any place on Earth or nearby, YOU ask for him. You don't need to be a Jew or a painter, a king or a pawn. But there will never be "proof", other than a boatload of evidence. If you had proof, faith wouldn't have any meaning, now, would it?
When you're genuine in your request you'll get three anomalies:
1. An answer to prayer. Mine was being transferred, the next DAY to a better job.
2. A permanent change in yourself. Mine was losing age-old depression that had me attempting suicide at age 5, trying to hang from a tree. Until recently it's been months of bad days, but now, no more.
3. A hunger for the word. Instead of tuning past the sermons, you'll realize that there's all kinds of information there, you just need to get it.
Some surprising (and hidden) realities of Christianity:
1. "Prayer without Ceasing"; when you "talk to yourself", Christ wants us to talk to _Him_. Include him. Once in a while strange things happen, unless you've been in on the 'conversation'.
2. The name Jesus Christ is more than a curse-word; it's the way to get His immediate attention. It's intended to spot anomalies- you'll learn what that's for, later.
3. You're never "done"; you'll still screw up. No one ever is. No matter how "perfect" you may seem, it's never complete. See also: David, and tons of evangilists.
4. People, despite bringing a message of love and acceptance will call you names, deny you jobs, censor your messages where possible, and possibly take your life. You're called all kinds of things you're not, like intolerant, blind, cruel, or whatever's popular that day.
But it IS the completion; it IS what people go up on mountains to find. It's a peace you can't get anywhere else, and it extinguishes the desire to find "that thing"...the thing most people try to fill with booze, sex, violence, or drugs. Even my worst days are better than the good days I used to have. Chose it or don't, it's about peace and finding your place.
Well thanks for the kind words. I see it as, "Is Copurnicous still wrong?" Relgious folk get used to an integer world-view until they find out there's more to the story...and there is.
For example, the list of animals Noah was to gather wasn't *all* animals...it was several small categories. They woulda fit in a rowboat, FCOL. But as time goes on, we learn more about the Bible. And re-thinking what's already known only does us good.
I'm a Christian; that doesn't mean I merely GO to church, but I've made contact with the larger intelligence, and we have a relationship. (In case the word "saved" curls your skin.)
I have no problem with the Big Bang. The singularity that marked the beginning with "let there be light", and the fact that the galaxies are moving away and accellerating only strenthens the argument there was a beginning, not an oscillation.
Humans are carbon-based, and animals are, too, so we'd have food. It doesn't work the other way. I have NO PROBLEM with evolution (the change-over-time) aspect, nor do I have an issue with mankind starting as an ape-like being which one day found it's soul.
What I *do* have a problem with, is preachers that still say mankind is only 6,000 years old, never had prototypes (apes) in his development, or that science and the Bible are at odds.
[Delay while a hush fills the room...]
Precisely because the Bible has room for all this stuff. It mentions giants and other creatures. It's not a play-by-play of the billion years before man. It's not a total list of all creatures ever made, though it *does* list the development of plant categories, and it matches the fossil record.
So can we deflate a bunch of the "Evolution is wrong" arguments, at the outset?
...the Earth's PSU fan?
:)
I'm so dissillusioned.
Me, too. Just try to get a (working)(Linux) laptop for that price! I'm on the road a lot; this would be a good thing for me. And if I buy one and it helps the cause, what's not to like?
It's just the steps science takes, thinking itself perfect.
Remember the GM corn, and how the scientist told the farmers how, "It's ok, just plant it 200 yards away from other corn." Meanwhile the most common honeybee in America can fly five miles a _day_ to it's polination chores.
If black holes are the size of strawberries, and we're dealing with microscopic attempts, that's not a huge distance to be wrong; consider the "strawberry" being powerful enough to move a _galaxy_; it wouldn't seem much to move a building...power source, or other dangerous thing, no?
Shouldn't this kinda thing be done off-planet?
Like a lot of the media-based panics coming from the left, swine flu was a scare tactic that went nowhere, too.
:)
And killer bees from Africa.
And the ozone hole.
And man-made climate change.
But what else would we do if we weren't scared into voting for these people?
I have the solution. It's been the solution to many problems, and since this "problem" seems to come from the same people, I'm sure it will work.
Other problems that have been solved:
The population bomb (~1970)
Invasion of Killer Bees (1977)
The coming ice age (~1974)
The ozone hole (~1980's)
Acid rain that makes kids stay indoors (1974)
Theory of operation: Any problem that can only be solved by sending money to Washington DC can wait.
This party has quite a track record of the Chicken Little role. And each time the only way it'll be solved is to shut down our factories, turn out pockets inside-out, while the rest of the world, somehow, can go on without a single change of their own habits. (See also: Kyoto Accords).
When a political party owns the media, games like these can be played.
Sure there's climate change. Happens all the time. The LCO, for example, which gave Greenland it's peculiar name. But saying that THIS TIME it's because of raising our standard of living is just ridiculous. Using the same tactics these people are using, I could start a movement based on cats falling from the sky. "It musta been because we invented Television!" (See? Ludicrous)
Guys, the Earth is SO VERY much larger than we are, no matter what EarthShare.org suggest. This is just a media fad; it will pass.
First, undeniably, I'm categorically happy when the little guys get things done, leaving the big bureacracy in the mud.
But notice; these are the people with the $600 toilet seats. These people need a million dollars just to decide if they HAVE a million dollars. Putting money in these people's hands ensures that 1% gets to it's destination.
So: do we really want to rely on our government for our every need? Do you think they'd take the time, and make better judgements than we would at the local level? I think you know the answer to that.
When the Congress was in direct contol of the USPS, they wasted MILLIONS on simple crap like "The uniforms should be blue, with grey stripes!" and about the time they arrived, "No, wait! They should be grey with BLUE stripes!". As much as he was a crook, Richard Nixon did one thing that improved your life: he's credited with the reformation, a relative privatization of the USPS. This included the zip code, the idea that "we only get so much- we can't waste it" and "lets charge less if the senders do the sorting for us".
This revamp made a HUGE change in the sucess of the postal service. Giving anything to Congress means they will micro-manage it; it's their way.
A similar problem exists in the Pentagon, as this story shows.
Know who got this right, when it was most important? Britain.
Before the war, they needed a fighter plane, but couldn't make it LOOK like they were shopping for one. (Might push them into war) They held "Float Plane Races" and offered huge contracts for the one that could make it around the track the fastest. Well, take off the floats, and you get a light, strong, fast aircraft that can carry bombs, too. It quite literally saved Britain that Supermarine was able to win that little race. Might have even saved the world.
But remember that ever time you ask for your government for something that wasn't in the original Constituion (like welfare, farm subsidies and the like) we're using the wrong tool for the job. See AMTrack; there are routes based on which senator wants it to go. It goes places people don't need. And it's about to cost billions just to bail it out, AGAIN. Disaster.
Smaller government is good. I just wish the Republicans hadn't forgotten that.
Yep, that's why VMWare is there. Ever try it? It's astonishingly good. And it lets you put a "wrapper" around Windows so the viruses don't stake it in the heart.
Again, free, easy, with tech support.
But I agree with your point: it's been LONG time for these programs to come available. New accounting programs are there, but none are quite as easy as Quicken, for example. But getting these programs to Linux is all about _running_ Linux; if the vendors see a crowd heading their way, they'll make offerings. LokiSoft was able to 'port' brand new Windows games in only 2 months; I still run them today...but they have to have people interested in them.
Oh...you'd have to hire administrators; interesting point. Microsoft has suggested in their advertising that one day there'd BE no administrators. (Some people actually believe it...)
But I think the core you're suggesting is that, unwilling to learn Linux, your company couldn't pay to run Windows AND Linux...you're already a cost-center in the IT picture.
Keep in mind: 1 good Linux admin can handle thousands of machines. 1 Good Microsoft admin can handle 40, then you need more people. Not my opinion- the opinion of the industry. You can hate it, or (as I've heard from so many Microsofties) you can leave it; your choice. Adapt and live, or remain rigid and get called a "dinosaur".
I couldn't have argued for Ubuntu Dapper more eloquently.
No worries about kernel details; no concerns to mention, as long as you're not trying to dual-boot, mount NTFS from a remote device encrypted in EBCDIC. Ubuntu is for people. It's simple. It's capable.
I've been in computing since before Microsoft. A day that I need to worry about kernel parts or unpacking tarballs just makes me wretch. THAT's why I love Ubuntu. Media, networking, email, desktop publishing, all the things that make life easier, are there.
Try it. But don't try it to see how much like Windows it is- it's not.
Right; just tools. Ever pick up a cresent wrench that said "I'm sorry- you'll have to contact tech support for a contract"? No- that's what makes non-Microsoft things better.
"Scotty: prepare to beam down to the planet."
"But sir- our teleport support team isn't answering the phone..."
It's about good tools. And using good tools to make your life better is _fun_.
So...you've never used it. Ok. I usually get the most 'smoke' from people who see Linux as a threat, that tried it back around Redhat 5.0. It's ok, there will always be a Microsoft solution for you.
(The thing installs with only one reboot and six questions- one of them is YOUR NAME. It doesn't get much easier than that. Oh- and all the software is available strictly by GUI, just look it up from the main menu. You'll find all that OpenOffice stuff, as well as something like 20,000 other programs to install easily and quickly. But for some people that's just too hard.)
Just go Linux; be free. Especially Ubuntu; easy, free, capable and no threats. I keep telling people this, somehow they think Microsoft is some warm, fuzzy teet from which they won't wean.
Linux brings back the fun; to those times before Microsoft when you *owned* the computer, so you could put anything on it you wanted to. Guys with CP/M used to attach all kinds of funny things to their computers, always grinning when someone told them "it can't be done", yet there's the proof that it could.
And with the net, you can share the experience with everyone else. There's no "this year's agenda", there's no one to tell you no. Why on Earth would anyone give up that freedom, to get no technical support over the phone, net, or local computer store?
Wasn't the original usefulness of TIVO (before we realized it was nice to time-shift shows) to allow us to tell "the powers that be" what we liked or hated? I don't mean last week, but like circa *1996* or so?
:)
Next you'll be telling me that when I join a music club they report my sales upstream!
And next week: fire? Fact or Fantasy?
All good points; but rather than belabor this forum with non-tech stuff any further, get the video. (If you were local to me, I'd bring it over on DVD to save you time.)
The first video's kinda dull, since it sets the ground rules. But from the second to the last, it's pretty cool. It's *not* "belive this 'cause it's in the Bible". It's "isn't it interesting the Bible's right _here_." It's not hard to understand, and has all the details, including the formulas, too.
And when you've seen a couple, feel free to write me. If he's wrong about anything, he'll want to know, too- he's that kinda guy. Write me first [so we don't Slashdot'im]: Brian@Fahrlander.net
This is NOT the same old, tired view you're used to seeing. That's why I suggest it.
Enjoy!
Yeah, I should...but I have no idea of the numbers employed. You seem to be under a misconception: this entire thread is speculative. None of it is *in* the Bible, but is a search to support the most unprecedented, best-known activity in human memory.
I'd *love* to discuss this with atmospheric theorists, or people at NASA (part of the reason for bringing it up here) but I'm not a mathmatician. Logitian, maybe, because I love to figure things out.
Please; look at the video. This guy is a dyed-in-the-wool scientist (geology to be specific) and he has some fresh, new ways to look at this. His initial goal was to locate "every dumb thing in the Bible", but after three passes, he couldn't find anything that, given a few variables, didn't agree with our level of science at that time.
Then he asked, if there is a creation, there must be a God? And looking for things like a "mark of the creator" (like a certain style attributed to Frank Lloyd Wright houses) he found the Fibbonachi spiral: animals bearing this same mark, though it has nothing to do with mating, feeding, or survival, yet they're there. You've seen'em, too BTW, but you didn't notice.
So please- take a look. If you've got Democracy Player, its in there. Just start the torrent and let it go. All your questions, and most of your answers will be there.
And feel free to contact me with questions, though John Clayton has an email address, too [rather not get'im slashdotted...] I'm Brian@Fahrlander.net.
Cheers!
That's where the question of a *localized* flood comes in. But thanks for calling me a nutjob, anyway. That method is sure to assist you in convincing people you're open-minded in the future.
And where'd it go? Don't we lose both oxygen and water each day, slipping out into space? It makes at least as much sense as manmade-global-warming or other arguments that get such worldwide play.
This isn't *in* the Bible, it's an attempt to explain things like the waterfall-gouge that's found southwest of Portugal, and a search for more evidence of the flood.
All the replies I get are like this; they all make assumptions based on their own experiences, which, these days is from the media and culture. BUT IF THEY'D GO SEE THE SERIES, they could decide for themselves. (This is what the left calls being "open minded".)
As a Christian (not because of this series) I find it interesting how people will HACK their way into a site to see an child raped (for example) but the best way to keep people out is to express a faith in God. People will go to great lengths to settle the issue for themselves. Odd, isn't it?
I find it similarly odd that, despite all this checkability, people still dismiss it, or consider it the opposite of science.
SEE THE FILM...then make up your own minds. I promise you- no DRM, no taxes, and no one's gonna hold a gun to your head. It's just worth watching.
Really? Obviously you've not *seen* this series. Until you do, understand that you'll be considered a bigot...but whatever you want to do; you know best.
Got a reason that won't work? Feel free...
Well I keep hearing about ways to hold hydrogen in a solution, rather than 'the old metal tank' ('cause it will actually bleed through it). Slashdot's shown at least two other non-dangerous/non-radioactive choices for this...that'll change things, too.
No, I don't think you understand; this is a book written thousands of years before Einstien, and came to the same conclusion as him. It listed the growth stages of plants, which only in the last 100 years or so has shown to be right. It talks about how "the heavens opened" to create a flood mentioned by something like 110 civilizations...and if the magnetic poles changed [see current speculations] the Van Allen belts would temporarily collapse...causing the hydrogen and hydrogen ions to come in contact with the atmosphere's oxygen, tada, instant massive flood.
I know the media and the culture tell you it's all myths and stories, but can you, scientifically, deny that this document is *at*least* worth going to that website and learning more? (http://DoesGodExist.com)
Coleman makes a whole-house hydrogen-powered fuel cell. Think of it: if 1/3 of the homes had such fall-back strategies, there'd be a lot less power outtages and a lower demand on the main grid. Personally, I'd LOVE to do something like this. But keep in mind: as good as solar cells are, they can never be more than 50% effecient, on the ground. :(