Backups and ease of use are one thing. Nothing wrong with cracks and such. Most countries agree with that as you pointed out.
But here we have a situation where someones property can be easily exposed to piracy by this. And no matter what country your in most all respect that right.
So what it boils down to me is irresponsibility by the community for releasing something that goes against the foundations of which this whole arena of debate is built on. Property and rights to it. You have your rights, they have theirs. In the attempt to exert yours, you completely nullified theirs. It shouldn't take much more explanation to see my point than that.
At this point it's all just personal opinion leading up to the huge legal debate, and media frenzy, we're sure to see over this. I haven't attempted to invalidate any of your gripes here. Believe me I see the world for what it is, like most people all over the world. Just feel an honest need to call bad form on the internet world right now. Bad internet! Bad!
DRM is screwed..clearly. So is the whole music/media reality at this point. But again..that's another topic and this clearly only amounts to theft and looting of private property.
And I'm not arguing against the logical use here of viewing on any system you want and whatnot. We all know the primary factor for all this here is just good ol fashioned piracy.
And who's to say that the protections used to protect that art aren't part of the art package? That's only your personal assumption and assertion at this point. Logic doesn't support your case. I doubt a court would.
And to be clear..all you've bought is the right to view that video. You did not purchase a disc of data. You purchased a video that merely happened to be on a disc, encoded as data.
p.s. 5 min replies are killing me here. I'm used to real-time debates LOL
Did you put hard work and unique intellectual effort into that info? Nah, maybe your parents did somewhat. It's hardly unique and its something created to exist in the public domain. Only real private data anyone has here is SS# and thats probably not even yours in a court of law. Isn't really an apples vs apples comparison. Unless your narrowing your outlook to the ascii table.
And yes that is another nasty hot topic they need to clean up asap. Personally I believe anyone who even handles private data should be held to very tough legal standards and any failures should land them in prison. Lose a laptop full of peoples SS#'s? holy crap..see ya in prison buddy.
But that's an entirely different, albeit intertwined, topic. And you can't really argue your rights and trample theirs. Well, least not effectively.
I'm totally with you on the anti-self-righteous-xxAA bandwagon. But this here...totally different. Someone stole from them and now the world wants to loot their store. Not cool. Highly uncivilized.
You clearly forget the fact someone circumvented security to reach their password. Their property was protected. And someone breached that protection. Care to argue how that's legal now?
So clearly this isn't a "oh they screwed up and now the world knows" situation. This is a "Thief broke in and now the world thinks that cause the doors been kicked down it's ok to loot the place" situation.
This whole thing is pathetic. What we have here is a password. The password, coincidentally in hex, is patented in conjunction with the HD-DVD patent. The hex # itself cant be controlled. But passing it around with the intent to circumvent a patented product is illegal. Period. Don't care what self-righteous, ignorant soapbox the internet is on this week. The fact is they have the right, by any sane and logical examination, to control their products. This whole "They can't stop us from posting the numbers" crusade is just flat out self-righteous and ignorant.
If you're honestly so for this then let's see all your personal passwords and such on the internet for all to see so we can use what you have to our hearts content. I mean seriously, you do NOT have the right to that word or series of letters/numbers. And clearly you don't see a right to personal property here. So screw your supposed right to personal data and your hard earned hardware. I want it too.
Sure they can change their password, but hell thats a lot of work for something that shouldn't have to be done in the first place. Not if a little common respect was followed.
This is why we elect individuals to lead. Because people behave like retarded sheep on crack.
Its basically a situation where the teacher asked of the students to commit to a relationship that requires openness which requires trust and confidentiality. Such as doctors or a shrinks doctor-patient confidentiality.
Openness requires your info is going into a vault. The teacher couldn't or wouldn't guarantee that. And given schools tendencies nowadays to be knee-jerk reactionary's I would honestly have to say these students were complete fools for even participating.
I'd have stood my ground. Demanded a new assignment topic or complete confidentiality unless she could guarantee no fiasco would ensue from her or her superiors overreaction to an assignment they shouldn't have read in the first place.
What I see here is that they changed providers to meet a peak demand time as was stated earlier.
It's the fact they just bumped it to the republicans that's suspicious. Government is required to submit bids from other vendors and all that. Curious if that happened or if they just gave it to their buddies at an inflated pricetag.
Would seem to be the only obvious issue here.
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Backups and ease of use are one thing. Nothing wrong with cracks and such. Most countries agree with that as you pointed out. But here we have a situation where someones property can be easily exposed to piracy by this. And no matter what country your in most all respect that right. So what it boils down to me is irresponsibility by the community for releasing something that goes against the foundations of which this whole arena of debate is built on. Property and rights to it. You have your rights, they have theirs. In the attempt to exert yours, you completely nullified theirs. It shouldn't take much more explanation to see my point than that. At this point it's all just personal opinion leading up to the huge legal debate, and media frenzy, we're sure to see over this. I haven't attempted to invalidate any of your gripes here. Believe me I see the world for what it is, like most people all over the world. Just feel an honest need to call bad form on the internet world right now. Bad internet! Bad!
DRM is screwed..clearly. So is the whole music/media reality at this point. But again..that's another topic and this clearly only amounts to theft and looting of private property.
And I'm not arguing against the logical use here of viewing on any system you want and whatnot. We all know the primary factor for all this here is just good ol fashioned piracy.
And who's to say that the protections used to protect that art aren't part of the art package? That's only your personal assumption and assertion at this point. Logic doesn't support your case. I doubt a court would.
And to be clear..all you've bought is the right to view that video. You did not purchase a disc of data. You purchased a video that merely happened to be on a disc, encoded as data.
p.s. 5 min replies are killing me here. I'm used to real-time debates LOL
Did you put hard work and unique intellectual effort into that info? Nah, maybe your parents did somewhat. It's hardly unique and its something created to exist in the public domain. Only real private data anyone has here is SS# and thats probably not even yours in a court of law. Isn't really an apples vs apples comparison. Unless your narrowing your outlook to the ascii table.
And yes that is another nasty hot topic they need to clean up asap. Personally I believe anyone who even handles private data should be held to very tough legal standards and any failures should land them in prison. Lose a laptop full of peoples SS#'s? holy crap..see ya in prison buddy.
But that's an entirely different, albeit intertwined, topic. And you can't really argue your rights and trample theirs. Well, least not effectively.
I'm totally with you on the anti-self-righteous-xxAA bandwagon. But this here...totally different. Someone stole from them and now the world wants to loot their store. Not cool. Highly uncivilized.
You clearly forget the fact someone circumvented security to reach their password. Their property was protected. And someone breached that protection. Care to argue how that's legal now?
So clearly this isn't a "oh they screwed up and now the world knows" situation. This is a "Thief broke in and now the world thinks that cause the doors been kicked down it's ok to loot the place" situation.
How's that for your reality check?
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This whole thing is pathetic. What we have here is a password. The password, coincidentally in hex, is patented in conjunction with the HD-DVD patent. The hex # itself cant be controlled. But passing it around with the intent to circumvent a patented product is illegal. Period. Don't care what self-righteous, ignorant soapbox the internet is on this week. The fact is they have the right, by any sane and logical examination, to control their products. This whole "They can't stop us from posting the numbers" crusade is just flat out self-righteous and ignorant. If you're honestly so for this then let's see all your personal passwords and such on the internet for all to see so we can use what you have to our hearts content. I mean seriously, you do NOT have the right to that word or series of letters/numbers. And clearly you don't see a right to personal property here. So screw your supposed right to personal data and your hard earned hardware. I want it too. Sure they can change their password, but hell thats a lot of work for something that shouldn't have to be done in the first place. Not if a little common respect was followed. This is why we elect individuals to lead. Because people behave like retarded sheep on crack.
Its basically a situation where the teacher asked of the students to commit to a relationship that requires openness which requires trust and confidentiality. Such as doctors or a shrinks doctor-patient confidentiality. Openness requires your info is going into a vault. The teacher couldn't or wouldn't guarantee that. And given schools tendencies nowadays to be knee-jerk reactionary's I would honestly have to say these students were complete fools for even participating. I'd have stood my ground. Demanded a new assignment topic or complete confidentiality unless she could guarantee no fiasco would ensue from her or her superiors overreaction to an assignment they shouldn't have read in the first place.
What I see here is that they changed providers to meet a peak demand time as was stated earlier. It's the fact they just bumped it to the republicans that's suspicious. Government is required to submit bids from other vendors and all that. Curious if that happened or if they just gave it to their buddies at an inflated pricetag. Would seem to be the only obvious issue here.
Keep in mind all their internal response measures have been compromised. That doesn't seem safe at all.