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Digg.com Attempts To Suppress HD-DVD Revolt
fieryprophet writes "An astonishing number of stories related to HD-DVD encryption keys have gone missing in action from digg.com, in many cases along with the account of the diggers who submitted them. Diggers are in open revolt against the moderators and are retaliating in clever and inventive ways. At one point, the entire front page comprised only stories that in one way or another were related to the hex number. Digg users quickly pointed to the HD DVD sponsorship of Diggnation, the Digg podcast show. Search digg for HD-DVD song lyrics, coffee mugs, shirts, and more for a small taste of the rebellion." Search Google for a broader picture; at this writing, about 283,000 pages contain the number with hyphens, and just under 10,000 without hyphens. There's a song. Several domain names including variations of the number have been reserved. Update: 05/02 05:44 GMT by J : New blog post from Kevin Rose of Digg to its users: "We hear you."
If you're one of the endless little "Slashdot is dead, go to digg" trolls that reply to stories every now & again, I (and the rest of slashdot) would like to say: "Fuck You".
Your wonderful little Digg isn't looking so wonderful now - is it?
In comparison to Digg's censorship, slashdot has the hex key as a story tag.
I don't think Slashdot editors are that clever.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I got a 404 error the first time I checked this.
How Ironic.
It really has gone out of control on digg. Dozens of useful stories have just got knocked off the front page to make way for more crap on this key. I'm under the impression that the average digg user is a 12 year old who tries to stick it to "the man" by posting a number under complete anonymity.
Digg took a big hit to their credibility today. They underestimated the outrage caused by the banning of users and removal of stories. Perhaps they'll learn that the site is made by the users. Without diggers, there is no digg.
Hell is other people - Jean-Paul Sartre
The fortune cookie at the bottom of the page reads -
"Anyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin." -- John Von Neumann
Indeed.
Complete overreaction by the Digg administrators. Somebody saw this happening, looked at their complimentary HD-DVD Coalition coffee cup, and did something stupid.
/. makes many other popular 'web2.0' content sites look just like a flash in the pan. Taco & co. at least know when not to do something.
Hopefully they will use this as an object lesson in how trying to silence problems by emulating Minitrue only leads to drama and madness.
Say what you will about Slashdot, but
The harder you sqeeze, the more comes out.
0 11000000110010001110010100010000110111001101000100 01010011001100110101010000100100010000111000001101 00001100010011010100110110010000110011010100110110 00110011001101010011011000111000001110000100001100 11000000100000
MPAA Lesson of the day.
0011000000111001010001100011100100110001001100010
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
He persists on using the mantra of "LOL POWER TO TEH PEOPLE!" yet he blatantly censors his diggers.
Laugh.
Viable Slashdot alternatives: https://pipedot.org/ and http://soylentnews.org/
I don't think Anonymous Cowards are that clever.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
I've never seen anything like this before, it's probably unprecedented. (I know I've been digging HD-DVD stories all day long)
I wonder if it's the end of Digg...
This is the funniest thing I've seen since reading the "Slashdot Trolling Phenomena" entry in Wikipedia.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
Today it's different for some reason. One of the managers posted a justification on the official blog:
Funny stuff.
This is surprising and saddening that Digg would do this. Digg has become my favorite web site--it replaced /. a while back, sorry--and this makes me really lose respect for the Digg crew.
wanted an article about an article
Title says all ;-)
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -- Prof. Dumbledore
Notwithstanding the fact that most articles are either innacurate or stupid, they will IP ban anyone who says anything bad about their site. Digg is one step up from "myspace"
Also, you can get a perm ban from digg if you use the star of david as your "digg icon"... no kidding!
I do not have an account there and have no idea how it works, but those of you who pee in both ponds, Digg this thread :-)
My little Linux and tech blog
Digg actually posted a reply to the community on their blog here.
What I'm honestly curious about is this: Is this numeric string code copyrighted? Where is the copyright filed, if so? Or is it a trade secret? Do trade secrets need to be filed or declared somehow? Is a trade secret intellectual property that must be removed when a theatening (maybe DMCA) notice is sent?
I'm nowhere near understanding the complexities of the current intellectual property legal codes in the USA, let alone how they actually apply in this situation. All I see is hysteria.
This statement is solely an opinion. Kindly take it as such in all cases.
Wikipedia has chosen to speedy-delete the article and all similarly titled articles based on the hexadecimal number. I found the deletion review at this link. It seems like the only way left to get the article undeleted is to present good arguments there. I, for my part, have been blocked by another admin for posting my undelete comment. It looks like censorship is in season.
And quick to fall. I cannot believe how swift and concerted this response is. I bet the digg admins are kinda wishing they had, oh I dunno.... EDITORS?
I've been watching this develop tonight, and Digg has gone into meltdown, not so much in the technical sense but in the sense that the user base is in open revolt, posting stories containing the code and commenting on events over...and...over...and over. As quickly as one article is removed, two more appear, and the tone of them is getting angrier and angrier by the hour.
Just my opinion, but I don't see how Digg can come out of this with any credibility left. Was this ever about the DMCA? Perhaps in the beginning, but it's turned into a battle of wills between the Digg admins and its user base, and, even if the admins could somehow manage to magically obliterate every article on this subject, they're going to have a hard time explaining themselves to the user base, who are, by and large, mad as hell.
And to those who are, indeed, mad as hell, consider what you will do after this incident is over. Kevin and the other admins may indeed fear a lawsuit if they don't take these articles down. Is that wrong, or is the law that allows this possibility the thing that is wrong? It's easy to sit there and paste line after line of numbers, but what would you do in the face of a lawsuit, even if it it's a ridiculous lawsuit supported by a law crafted just for this kind of abuse? You're taking action now, but will you get organized to push for real change tomorrow, the day after, and the day after that?
Somebody created a free speech flag: http://www.badmouth.net/free-speech-flag/
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -- Prof. Dumbledore
... Oppression of an idea, thought or belief is the best way to get the news spread (see religion). It is the overcommercialisation of an idea which causes it to fade from popularity (see modern day rock music). The best thing that the music industry, or indeed the movie industry could do to stamp out piracy is to ignore it and release a superior product (I am more than willing to pay for a high quality product, provided I can do with it whatever I wish). Currently DRMed digital music and video is an inferior product at a higher price than what "the pirates" are producing, which is why the MAFIAA continue to lose market share to the Coallition of Regular Annonymous Pirates (CRAP).
Its like digg imploded from too much freedom... into a continuous fuzz of meaningless crap (basically like april fools day on the uncyclopedia.org). I CANT WAIT to see the next episode of diggnation!!!
It strikes me as odd that this key was discovered a month or two ago but only today surfaces like this.
Today. May 1st.
May Day.
If they stood up. Now who will watch their backs -the MPAA? Don't bet on it.
Shameful...
As I said numerous times,
People don't seem to understand that this goes beyond a silly little hex key. The key has been out for months. A new one will come and it will also be broken. This is not about that. This is about consumers finally standing up against the bullshit being fed to them by media giants. They crossed the line today when they forced digg to censor user generated content, not only articles but also comments and somewhat related content.
As a consumer i am sick and tired of getting fabricated excuses as to why i can't play what I've bought wherever the hell i want. NO, i don't care if you keep making up the story that DRM is to protect yourself from piracy. I don't buy it. DRM will be broken no matter what. DRM is there to ensure your revenue stream by controlling where I can play the content. Now you go and censor my news source giving a bullshit excuse that a randomly generated hex number is some how your IP? You install rootkits in my computer, You stop me from using my content I bought the way I want? pretend to own _MY_ hardware? Enough of that bullshit.
This is a revolt against the greediness and blatant disrespect for the consumer that comes from the mpaa/riaa.
SAVE THE NUMBERS, SAVE THE WORLD. REMEMBER The 1st of MAY.
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Excuse me.
The MPAA (or whoever) is telling Digg to take down those stories.
They have the authority to do this thanks to the DMCA.
The DMCA is a law enacted by who? That's right, the government of the United States of America.
So who is threatening the people who run Digg with jail time? That's right, the United States of America.
How is that not censorship?
How we know is more important than what we know.
Yeah, screw Digg! Those bastards, censoring shit, trying to hide things, giving in to "The Man" and the fear of legal battles. Fuck them! Slashdot rules!
Hey, on a completely unrelated note, can anyone point me to that copy of book 3 of Scientology that was posted here a few years back?
kthnx.
If I knew the wedgies I gave you back in 6th grade would have resulted in this . . . I might have taken a moments pause.
It is censorship when a person tries to stop another from saying or doing something.
It doesn't necessarily have to do with the gov't or with law.
The leader of a community can censor its members.
I have to disagree with you when you said digg doesn't answer to its users.
When a site is user driven such as it is to the point that we call it a community based site, there is an extent to where digg MUST answer to its users, but of course within reason. Should digg fail to do so, which I don't totally feel that they have (thought they did drop a very large ball), the community is neglected and there would be a lack of genuine participation.
At any rate, this is a parody of Allan Sherman's tirade against all-digit dialing, "The Let's All Call Up AT&T And Protest To The President March". By staggering coincidence, the original was inspired by someone posting it in on USENET in the .mp3.comedy group. Weren't me, although my parents turned me onto Mr. Sherman's parodies by giving me their vinyl original that they'd owned since before I was born.
By even more coincidence, you can sing it as either: "Let's all post the Processing Key and fuck AACSLA" March, for rather obvious reasons, or the "Let's all post To D-I-G-G and say 'fark you' to Kevin Rose" March, (on account of every single story on digg.com's front page, as the original poster already linked to in TFA)
By utterly unsurprising coincidence, and like every filk I write here, this parody is in the public domain, and you can sing it however you like, although in this case it'll probably be funnier if you keep the numbers the way they was written.
AACS VERSION:
It's the "Let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA!" march!
Watch their lawyers worry and fidget,
Cease and DE-sisting sixteen hex digits!
So let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA, march!
So protest! (so protest!)
Do your best! (do your best!)
Let us show them that we post in unity.
If they won't (if they won't!),
Change the rules (change the rules!),
Let's buy our movies from another monopoly!
Let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA march.
Let us wake their landsharks from slumber,
Get a pencil, I'll give you their number.
It's Nine, Eff-nine, One-one, Two, Nine-D,
SevenTY-four, Eee-three, Five-B... (dash!)
Dee-eight, four-one, five-six, Cee-five,
Sixty-three, fifty-six, eight-eight... (hyphen!)
And now that you're on the right road,
Don't forget to end with Cee-0h!
Here's to freedom and fair use! 09F9! 1102s!
Watch your HD-DVD! 9D74! E35B!
Let's keep that 16-byte key alive!
D841! 56C5! AACS is totally broke! 6356! 88C0! Hooray!
To arnezami's mental fiber,
We'll erect a triumphal arch!
For the "let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA!" march.
And since we're long (about 2 and a half months!) past the point that a parody of the AACS key wouldn't be complete without the
DIGG VERSION:
It's the "Let's all post To D-I-G-G and say 'fark you' to Kevin Rose" march!
Watch him worry, watch as he fidgets,
As his users post sixteen hex digits!
So let's all post to D-I-G-G and say 'fuck you' to Kevin Rose march.
So protest! (so protest!)
Do your best! (do your best!)
Let us show him that we digg in unity.
If he won't (if he won't!),
Change the rules (change the rules!),
Let's take our pageviews to Slashdot's company!
Let's all post to D-I-G-G and say 'fuck you' to Kevin Rose march.
Let us wake him up in his slumber.
Get a pencil, I'll give you his number.
It's Nine, Eff-nine, One-one, Two, Nine-D,
SevenTY-four, Eee-three, Five-B... (dash!)
Dee-eight, four-one, five-six, Cee-five,
Sixty-three, fifty-six, eight-eight... (hyphen!)
And now that you're on the right road,
Don't forget to end with Cee-0h!
Here's to freedom and fair use! 09F9! 1102s!
Watch your HD-DVD! 9D74! E35B!
Let's keep that 16-byte key alive! D841! 56C5!
AACS is totally broke! 6356! 88C0! Hooray!
To arnezami's mental fiber,
We'll erect a triumphal arch!
For the let's all post to D-I-G-G and say 'fuck you' to Kevin Rose march.
And don't make me deal with this "Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 35.7)", because it's a long pair of
Digg is in open revolt. This isn't surprising. Funny as hell, but not surprising.
Oh well, it was a horrible site for any kind of discussion anyway.
The key to the enjoyment of pop music is to replace any instance of "love" with "C.H.U.D."
This is NOT censorship.
Incorrect. Censorship is when someone censors you.
Censorship is a government telling someone what they cannot read, hear, see, or think.
Wrong. I can censor what my kids watch on TV, my work can censor my internet access, etc.
What you're thinking of is the first amendment.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
This is NOT censorship.
Censorship is a government telling someone what they cannot read, hear, see, or think
That's just plain wrong. Censorship, as defined by Merriam-Webster, is:
"a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring b : the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively"
What part of that qualifies only governments to "censor"?
Digg is paid for (in part) by ads, which rely on hits from users.
I'm not sure which definition of the word 'censorship' says that it only applies to the government, but it's wrong. While diggs censorship is legal, that doesn't make it NOT censorship.
Dugg already: http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Slashdot_Digg_com_At tempts_To_Supress_HD_DVD_Revolt
Something that nobody's explained, since this story broke:
Whose bright idea was it to use the same 128-bit symmetric key for every DVD ??
NB. Please don't mod this off-topic just because I said it wasn't.
LOAD "SIG",8,1
...that this shows those greedy MAFIAA folks that consumers don't want to be just consumers!
Digg doesn't want to get sued. That's not unreasonable.
People are posting the same story over and over again. It's functioning as a defacto DoS attack on Digg, too -- they're not nearly as interesting now as they usually are.
That number is out there. It's not going away. It's not useful to many of the people who insist on posting it or reading it, either -- unless you're writing a player. So why should Digg get sued? How does that make the world a better place?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
... censoring or asking one guy to cease and desist posting the code in his Google Notepad this morning. This story was posted on digg and it went downhill (for digg) from there. From around 10 PM EST up to the present 12 AM, all the digg stories on their tech section are about the hex codes. The question is will this be the start of digg's downfall? They have always prided themselves with giving "power to their users"...
"Censorship is a government telling someone what they cannot read, hear, see, or think."
You might want to try that one again chief, the act of censorship isn't only carried out by governments. By your logic media private outlets couldn't censor information.
See the following to get a fucking clue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
n. censor 1. A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
tr.v. censored, censoring, censors
To examine and expurgate.
whenever someone in power tries to censor something, they only wind up giving whatever they were intending to censor free advertising. in effect, that which otherwise would have gone unnoticed, they immortalize. happens time and time and time again
the ayatollahs and salman rushdie
rudy giuliani and some profane art
it must be some sort of corollary to that old axiom "information wants to be free": something like "if you try to cage information, you give it steroids" or something. somebody more poetic than me help me out here
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Has it occurred to anyone here that Digg did this on purpose, to show the lawyers that threatening legal action to try and stop the spread of this information is counter productive? By removing those articles, Digg has made that number very very popular.
what do you mean it's a privately owned entity, and as such does not answer to the government?
when a judge sends you a letter (not that she did, in this case) you'd best answer it.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
With both Digg and Slashdot in open revolt (well, Slashdot actually encouraged it) I say it's time to take this broader. Let's take this to the streets, the news media, and anyone who will listen. Subversive protest against an unjust law. I'm considering posting this number around my school, what will you do?
Is it just a coincidence that this revolt is occurring during a full moon?
If digg had only let the first story go, it would have disappeared in an hour and no one would have said a word (except the MPAA or who ever the governing body is). Now, digg has compromised their integrity and most likely lost several thousand or more users.
It's sort of like when you tell a little lie. Then you have to remember the lie as you make up more and more lies to increase the credibility of the original lie.
Digg won't get sued if there's no creditable lawsuit. Digg's users are forcing them to think carefully before capitulating to the sort of C&D letter that people often take at face value even if there's no legitimate legal peril.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
It still is censorship in a way though. I would consider it tantamount to a state government banning evolution from public schools due to pressure from an interest group. Or the Boy Scouts banning gays and atheists from participating because of monetary support of the Mormon church.
Slashdot, YouTube etc will be next. They just complied first. If anything this will actually boost more attention to Digg.
movies.
Now, this is all fun and all, and "sticking it to the man", but for fuck's sake, it's just HD-DVD cracking. And who's going to do that? Honestly? Just pirates mostly. Now, if this suppressed message and internet revolt were based around something big, like, say some secret about Bush and Cheney and the Iraqistan war, and if it were they who were trying to suppress it, that... would be.... awesome. And sort of Woodstockish. And a revolution.
But this is kind of lame. I for one don't give a flying fuck about HD DVD or Blu-Ray. DVDs are just fine for me.
While they can do what they want on their own site, it is more a matter of credibility than anything else right now. The whole revolt isn't even about the HD-DVD key. What has people feeling burnt is the fact that Digg purports to be about free and open user-driven content in a democratic setting, and what we're seeing here is a cabal of admins who are subverting the entire process of the system to suit their own whims.
Now as I said, it's not even about the 128-bit key anymore. And it's not about the DMCA or its merits(or lack thereof). The problem goes much deeper than that, and the encryption key debacle was more of a catalyst for what the more perceptive Diggers knew was going on all along but never really had any proof of. See, it's not just any posts containing the number they're removing. The Digg admins are removing and banning any discussion on the topic, even legitimate discussions on the ramifications of censorship in the user-driven internet era. Quite a few legitimate and thought-provoking discussions got clobbered when the admins got ban-happy today.
They have unwittingly set themselves up as a prime example of what can go wrong when marketing dollars(it is being reported that the HD-DVD guys throw ad dollars at Diggnation) meet the voice of the people. It is now being said that the Digg admins are stepping in and removing "objectionable" content when it conflicts with the will of their advertisers or displays any anti-Digg sentiment. While I'm sure this is good business sense, it's a very ugly way of being outed as a shill and a fraud to your readers. Digg is supposed to be the underdog who fought the status-quo and beat overwhelming odds against "the system". Now people are finding out that Digg has become the system, and they're a bit disillusioned that their hero Mr. Rose is just like any other business man who is out to make a buck. But like I said, the admins of Digg are obviously free to do with their site as they see fit. But Digg is only as good as the people who contribute to it. Kiss them good-bye and you kiss Digg good-bye.
"People should be allowed to keep midgets as pets."
- Gov. Jesse Ventura
This is censorship. The government passed a law relieving any party of legal liability, a consequence of other law, if that party censors after receiving a DMCA legal notice. Guess what happens when a party receives a DMCA legal notice? Censorship.
Whoever did, used colours, just poor C0 dropped from the picture. Taken from a digg story.
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
Corporate robber barons rule government.
Robber barons use puppet government to come down on web site.
Web site comes down on users.
Users fight back.
The government's motive was money/power. What did you thing motivated the cases where "Censorship is a government telling someone what they cannot read, hear, see, or think.", anyway? Free toys with their Happy Meal?
You know what? I posted about the story+key on my website, and if I get a take-down notice, I'll post it, apologize to my readers for what I'm going to have to do, give it as long as I can, and then close down the website on the day of the court's order, after a final post calling for open revolution. The way people with BALLS who BUILT this free country would have done!
Hey all, haven't visited this site regularly in about a year. I'm back! Digg epic fail.
The bastards turned Digg into /b/.
- "Digg's community is revolting!"
- "I know! And they seem pretty upset about something too..."
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
I'll agree the Digg community took a hit today, but only because it shows the mentality of its users. These are the same people that believe internet petitions actually do something.
Da moon rulez #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111109-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B -D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
Seriously, I hope they can see this, because I'm doing it http://ashardasican.com/
Hats off to you Digg, you ruined a good thing.
Digg is trying to suppress information that is painted across the internet and can be found by a 3 year old with a simple Google search. I really have no idea what they hope to gain by this. Even if this is because they have HD-DVD ads on their site or they were contacted by a legal entity trying to remove the links all they have done is drawn more attention to it. So Digg has ruined their credibility and further publicized the key..... wow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room
http://www.kubuntu.org/
The Google search for those numbers without any quotation marks will return 100,000's of bogus results. The reason is that the query they used has no requirement for the numbers to all be present and ordered correctly.
Try these instead for more accurate results:
9660 results
11600 results
Or you can search for the same thing in base 2, 10 or whatever you like (as long as you put quotation marks around any spaces in the query).
when you slashfags going to stop with this digg is dead, ms-killer apps, linux revolution, steve jobs is god, the end of mortar and brick stores bullshit for once and for all. it's hard to take people seriously who think that everything is going to rock the boat to the point that everything shifts at the speed of light.
slashdot would be a lot better if cooler heads got modded up instead of the fags who think that windows is going to go the way of the t-rex because apple releases some video editing bullshit. or that the riaa is going to crumble because some unknown person wins a minor court case against them. or that the dmca is going to be overturned because some professor at butthole university wrote a paper (or better yet, a blog) about how drm stiffles some innovation, blah blah blah blah blah.
every other day you'd swear that some institution was going down like the titanic because someone has done something that will be utterly forgettable in two weeks.
digg will be the same in a few days. few people will leave it for integrity reasons and even fewer will ever care that it happened in the first place.
What amazes me the most is the fact that SO many people on digg take it for granted that a hex number is/can be an "intelectual property".
Those same people call everyone else names (retard, nerd, 12yrs old kid, etc, etc).
I am seeing a pattern here...
The Oh Nine Haiku
;)
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this is fantastic, even digg has censored it, the forbidden key.
first number, an 0h, followed by ten minus one, don't for9et it's hex.
now strip from "Fugu", the consonants eff and 9ee, converted to leet.
alice had one do11, and I had ten little dogs, sum it up, in hex.
0h, why don't you two, stop censoring the string? resistan2e futile.
(just in case you don't, know what i'm talking about, find caps and numbers)
9o and Decipher, the steganographed key, easier than you think!
next one, is a year, 7he w4tergate scandal, seven fourmer guys
from the great whitehouse, were arrEst3d and charged, (obstructed justice).
eigth number ha5 Been, very difficult to show, but you'll guess it right.
Detour a bit right, draw a snowman, with its height. yes, it is a "d-ate"
speaking of d4tes, search for the second wor1d war, bismarck is now sunk.
now for some more clues: guess the two digits after, one, two, three and four.
Cee? it i5 but so, easy to guess this one key. i feel stupid.
back to the date 6ame, pope john twenty three has died, it was in june 3.
remember the two, digits you guessed while ago? ye5, type them a6ain.
next number's funny, tw8 sn8wmen drawn together, they're fat and bulky.
C0me on, now we're done. the info wants to be free, don't censor the key.
What is breaking down Digg? User revolt against what they deem to be 'censorship'.
However, every day on Digg submitters making factual but unpopular statements are censored by swarms of Digg users digging comments down into oblivion and burying stories that do make it to the front page. Every Digg user is aware that this is 'normal' activity on the site, yet they expect the owners to have better standards?
You reap what you sow, Diggers.
I'm sure a simple script could take care of this DVD key fiasco. Don't you kind of wonder why the allow the circus to continue?
I've been observing the revolt at digg throughout the day. The editors can no longer keep up with the posts. The entire digg front page (and most of the "Upcoming stories") is flooded with posts about the HD-DVD key.
Someone tried to create a Wikipedia page documenting the revolt, but that too was taken down.
Since AACS was broken 6 weeks ago, the MPAA and AACS LA have been sending out a flurry of DMCA takedown notices. However, as this example shows, the takedown notices seem to be delivered via USPS Express Mail. As mentioned, the current explosion has more than 300,000 pages mentioning the key (I don't know how many link to the Doom9 page). IIRC, Express Mail costs about USD $8 [usps.com seems to be off-line at the moment]. Sending out 300,000 notices at $8 a pop would inject $2.4M into the coffers of the United States Postal Service. Perhaps they would even roll back the rate increase that went into effect today [yeah, right].
Of course, delivering that many notices by physical mail would be prohibitively expensive, not to mention an ecological nightmare. The $2.4M would probably be better of spent combating the real pirates, rather than bloggers and video consumers.
The DMCA isn't one way, it's two way. Some random guy can say your post is infringing his copyright, and you can say he's full of it. At that point, the web board is no longer involved. If the random guy wants to take it to court, he can only attack you directly (and conversely).
We've had stories about this before.
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Wait a sec, now there's new bad numbers? Oh, 4 8 15 16 23 42, your reign of terror is over!
The number you are looking for is 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
All I want to know is, when and where can I get that number on a t-shirt?
Fark is actively censoring as well... recent headlines on redlit discussions: Don't bother submitting the HD-DVD passcode. It's against the FarQ, isn't going to be greenlit, and is against the law. Don't like it? Vote and OMG Admins just DELETED a post on Fark that contained a blatent violation of the FarQ and could have legal ramifications for a privately owned website. CENSORSHIP NDIT LGT GIS for "Whiny biatch"
A cheerful little bird is sitting here singing.
Yet as the grandparent post shows, there are those determined to believe only governments can censor, and there have been many cases where people have attempted to sue companies over first amendment rights. Censorship can happen between any two or more individuals, and you ONLY have rights when it comes to the Government.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
http://www.hddvd.org/hddvd
t own_prod
....
An error occurred while trying to connect to the database server.
Error message: DB Error: connect failed
A more detailed error description: [nativecode=Too many connections] **
mysql://dvdtown_prod:fckis4wankers@dbserver/dvd
Ripley, signing out
I'm glad they didn't accidently give out a DVD key or something
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
Suggested methods of sticking it to the MAFIAA:
1. Write the number and short-short-version on chalkboards around campus (I plan to do this tomorrow).
2. Set an image of it as the background on public computers you use.
3. Start mass-mailings.
4. Post the number anywhere you can in creative ways.
This whole thing is pathetic. What we have here is a password. The password, coincidentally in hex, is patented in conjunction with the HD-DVD patent. The hex # itself cant be controlled. But passing it around with the intent to circumvent a patented product is illegal. Period. Don't care what self-righteous, ignorant soapbox the internet is on this week. The fact is they have the right, by any sane and logical examination, to control their products. This whole "They can't stop us from posting the numbers" crusade is just flat out self-righteous and ignorant. If you're honestly so for this then let's see all your personal passwords and such on the internet for all to see so we can use what you have to our hearts content. I mean seriously, you do NOT have the right to that word or series of letters/numbers. And clearly you don't see a right to personal property here. So screw your supposed right to personal data and your hard earned hardware. I want it too. Sure they can change their password, but hell thats a lot of work for something that shouldn't have to be done in the first place. Not if a little common respect was followed. This is why we elect individuals to lead. Because people behave like retarded sheep on crack.
That's an extremely insightful comment. I take it the attitude is that censorship "from on high" is a high moral crime, but censorship "from within" is just a normal (and perhaps good?) fact of life. Very interesting.
we litterally got dugg shut down today. you cannot post and you cannot leave comments BTW im making up embroidered t shirts as of tomarow
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
I also wrote a haiku, in DeCSS style, that details the hex. Enjoy!
zero days is what it took
nine times the speed of light
furthering the decryption process
nine billion more we'll fight
one of the interests' paid
one bought off the lobbyists
zero have credibility, and then
two more become hobbyists
nine times again repeated
decryption saves our land
seven collective minds, and
four fingers on each hand
everything in moderation
three people had once told us
five more implied it directly
before the last one: SCOTUS
despite what they have said
eight times every hour
four and more still do it
one more makes it power
five is just a number
six is what it leads
can anyone own the very bits
five of these misdeeds
six is oh so fancy, but
three is also great
five is more than that, but
six likes the added weight
eight is what i said
eight will make them fall
challenge those who limit
zero's one and all
STFU about slashdot bias.
...yeah, they've lost their street-cred.
How can they continue now to claim this:
What's Digg?
Digg is all about user powered content.
Everything is submitted and voted on by the
Digg community. Share, discover, bookmark,
and promote stuff that's important to you!
Yeah, unfortunately the Wikipedia nerds have this love/hate thing going on with Slashdot, and I think that article got deleted. It was a shame, too, because it was pretty good -- and seriously, what are they afraid of, that Wikipedia is going to run out of paper? It's an online encyclopedia, you can have as many articles on as many bizarre topics as you want. I bet the Slashdot Trolling Phenomena article got more hits than a lot of stuff on WP, but no, they had to get their panties all up in a self-righteous bunch and pull it. Lamers.
What I think is particularly crappy is that when WP deletes an article, they not only delete the most recent version, but they also delete all the historical versions of it. To me that borders on offensive; there's really no reason they couldn't just mark the article as logically deleted but still allow people to see what content used to be there.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Ironic that this occured (started) on May Day, no? Yes; there's a difference between the day and the phrase. Perhaps the phrase 'mayday' might take on a different meaning for the internet (compared to the rest of the world, who collectively know it as May 1st and a distress call). Or, perhaps, we just needed a distress call to the crap that DRM is.
The HDDVD code will be replaced and its replacement will be inevitably be decrypted. Today, though, community-driven sites around the Internet joined in chorus to say "Fuck You!" to the DRM assholes. One of the great things about the Internet is how it impowers consumers (product reviews, price comparison sites, etc.). That, and it's impossible to stem the flow of information. Shut down one site or Digg.com article, and a dozen more take its place. Yeah, it sounds sappy, but I really am glad the people stuck it to DRM.
It's a good thing that never happens here!
"Search Google for a broader picture"
Thanks for the advice!
Heck, the only reason I found out about that little gem is because of the way it was on my meta-moderation list multiple times(!). It's been six years since that particular episode, but there's never been any sort of explanation or true discussion on the matter (and why, exactly, are moderations and karma no longer enumerated again?). But when it happens on another website, a competing website, it's fodder for the front page? I wonder if Slashdot would still be pointing to this if, instead of a DMCA violation, Digg was trying to suppress postings of some of the more interesting scripts the editors have access to on Slashdot's servers.
Healer, heal thyself.
My password is only protected by me, whilst I protect it.
The moment my password (which happens to be "ILuvGeorge2008") is divulged to the world by my stupidity, then there is no rule protecting my rights to that password.
That simple.
If there was, I'd use Vista as a password, and sue Microsoft for telling everyone what my password is.
Jeez. Get a reality check in isle -1.
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
You didn't tell it right.
because what the Digg users did to put the number on various posts on the Digg front page is exactly why government monitoring of communications of citizens will never net them the "terr'ists" messages. There are so many low tech ways to encode a message that can be broadcast in broad view of the public and still be coded that the government could spend billions or more man years trying to find them, never mind decode them. Some of those today included:
A song, a t-shirt, a commercial, blog title, html color coding scheme, a bad poem, street directions, website name, and many others...
This is EXACTLY why monitoring private communications will never stop covert communications. This is exactly why the DRM won't work, why the relative Patriot Act efforts will fail and why monitoring doesn't work. The fact that the bad guys know there is monitoring will ensure that they use something so covert that all of us will see it and not know it, which is BTW very LOW tech, so won't be caught by hitech monitoring systems.
Whatever you think of Digg users, they have demonstrated an important thing. When someone needs to communicate, censorship will not work, the DMCA will fail to stop it, the Patriot Act cannot prevent the damage done and no new laws will fix this basic failure of preventative control.
Any message that wants to get out will get out, be it a key, a program, or just a rebellious thought. Censorship does not work.
Sure, there are those who pedantically will tell me it seems to be working in countries like China, but even there I think all they have done is slow down the information flow rather than cut it off. If writers in China want to post to blogs, they can get someone in Sweeden to write / host a dtmf translation program that takes a phone call, translates the DTMF and posts the information to the appropriate blog site/account. This would bypass all the censorship efforts to date.
The plus side of this is that along the way, someone somewhere is going to find innovative ways to do things. My bet is that it will always be those that want to be uncensored that innovate most.
Support NYCountryLawyer RIAA vs People
this is why I moved on from digg to newsvine for my source of a barrage of user submitted news.
I wasn't aware embedding a hex number into wallpaper was clever or inventive. This whole episode reeks of the kind of spastic hive-mind activity that Digg is famous for.
I am betting the number of users who actually understand what the number is for is numbering in the low single digits, and you can probably cut that in half if you require them to translate it to base-10.
Algol Waterloo Athens aftermath
quadrant hydraulic tissue exodus
stormy decadence egghead resistor
flatfoot escapade newborn recipie
HD-DVD
:p
Too bad nothing allows color to post it
I can count to 1023 on my hands. Ask me about #132.
It's not about this password, it's about not being able to do perfectly legal thing with the media we purchased.
It's about the fact that the DMCA only hurts the consumers, and is wrong.
It's about the fact that the Industry is using a cheesy, SOB method to avoid copyright expiration.
It is about the facts that the MPAA is abusing a privildge we the people, through congress, give them.
It is NOT about being able to distribute the content, it is not about copyright infringement at all.
The people who are the big violators are not hurt by this because they just make a press, or bit by bit copy of the media.
The MPAA needs to stop this and use the resourses to go after the big pirates. They guys the press 10,000 copies and then sell them. The nees to stop using extortion instead of the proper leag methods for dealing with pirates.
I am FOR limited copyright, but how they go about it is apalling, inulting, and spits on our legal system. At this point I hope they go out of business....hell, I wouldn't even mourn if piracy drove them completly out of business.
Another model will appear, and it will send a message the citizens can only be pushed so far.
It may be their media, but it's out culture. Historically, these things go very bad for the leaders at the time.
"This is why we elect individuals to lead. Because people behave like retarded sheep on crack."
Who elected the MPAA? Who said it was alright for them to call upon our police men whenever they want to to storm through peoples houses? Who voted for letting the MPAA search any computers they want for no reason?
People behave this way when there is an injustice, and it's a good thing.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
You clearly forget the fact someone circumvented security to reach their password. Their property was protected. And someone breached that protection. Care to argue how that's legal now?
So clearly this isn't a "oh they screwed up and now the world knows" situation. This is a "Thief broke in and now the world thinks that cause the doors been kicked down it's ok to loot the place" situation.
How's that for your reality check?
http://www.burydigg.com
It may come down to how much /. wants to challenge any possible action by the HD-DVD association. Clearly, it's not copyrightable, so the only question is whether a pure number can fall under the anti-circumvention clauses of the the DMCA. Using your quote above, it's not "technology", it's not a device. Does it qualify? Probably it will take a trial to determine that.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Sadly, 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.com seems to be suspended already.
echo 'Header append X-HD-DVD "0x09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0"' >>
The disturbance in the Force you just felt was the screams of several thousand MPAA employees screaming out in horror, and then silence.
Listen up, idiot child -- anyone with the power to do so can censor -- the government, the local cops, your company management, your parents. All it takes is that they can make you not say what you want to say. This crap about only the government being able to do so is completely wrong. In the worst case, it turns into self-censorship.
In case you're not aware of it, there are only about four or five publishers of textbooks for US schools in K-12 (Side note -- most of the publishers are now based in Europe).
In order to survive, they must be able to sell in two markets -- California and Texas. Years ago, they learned the limits of what could be put in textbooks. They found that anything like witchcraft/occult references would be hammered by the bible-thumpers in the south. Similarly for ant anti-religious sentiments, approval of gay issues and many more. They also learned that any form of -ism (sexism, ageism, racism, etc.) would not be tolerated by California liberals. Consequently, all races must be represented in text and illustrations, but they must all be bland, with no one being singled out as advantaged in any way. No high-achieving, obedient Asian kids. No black folk associated with loud music, flashy cars or excellence in sports. Mothers must be presented primarily as professionals (doctors, lawyers, consultants, no nurses), then only secondarily as homemakers. No old people with wheelchairs, walkers, glasses, etc. Basically nothing that could be considered even mildly stereotypical.
In the past, the publishers found that any such inclusion would generate lawsuits or be cause for one or the other type of school board to reject the publisher's series of texts. Within a short time, the watchdog groups on either side found that they had to maintain only a minimal presence in textbook deliberations because the publishers had been cowed into extreme self-censorship.
It doesn't matter if Digg cannot take the financial hit of a lawsuit - without the populace digg is not digg, and in Web 2.0 land there's always another site (reddit) more than happy to take on your ENTIRE userbase in under 24 hours.
It would have been more honorable to be killed via lawsuit than self-termination. It's not like, with the general readership of Digg the way they are, you could not see this backlash coming a mile away.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia's AES entry:
i am not shocked by this turn of events at all.
digg is nothing but a hang out for christian ringwingers and mac fanboys, it's loss with not be mourned on the internet. if you want a decent forum stay on /. (which digg constantly wanted to have penis size contests with anyway) or try fark.com
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
They did no such thing, they used their own computer, own time, own disk.... at no time did they break into anyone's house, computer....
... I own the paper AND the ink, just not the story.
I buy a DVD, I own the disk, the holes, the metal - the bits. The only bit I don't own is the actual art content.
To put it in the context of a book
I can choose to read the book backwards, skip every second letter - and even read the boring publication bits at the front - all legally.
So don't give me this crap that reading the bytes off a DVD I own is illegal.
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
Roses are #FF0000
Violets are #0000FF
All my encryptions
Are belong to 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
...this is a road Digg has already been down. I left Digg over a censorship issue that had nothing to do with money. Even those who objected to the content were concerned about the censorship. There response was basically to claim 'we all agree that censorship is okay' and to stop talking about it.
The real problem is the lack of ethics. The marketing dollars just gave them a push down a road they were familiar with already.
There once was a page whose name consisted of the key.
It got deleted and "salted" so it can't be recreated.
The reason? Copyright/DMCA issues.
Example here.
Digg truly is the new suxx0r
How is that not censorship?
Ummm...it just isn't. This has nothing to do with suppression of the free exchange of ideas. The "seemingly random collection of hexadecimal digits", so quaintly put, is an encryption key. It is fairly disingenuous to claim that it is just an alphanumeric string like any other, passed around in the context of an ordinary conversation. Now, since we at Slashdot hate the MPAA and all of their DRM, we want to construe this as a freedom of speech issue, but it isn't. If you are going to argue that the unauthorized distribution of private encryption keys falls under your first amendment rights, then you probably won't mind if I just post your credit card number up here on Slashdot...I mean it's just an ordinary 16-digit number, right?
Just for the record, I am not a fan of DRM and I break it all of the time to watch dvds on my linux box, but this isn't censorship. The MPAA has every right to try to suppress distribution of this key. Is the effort pointless and futile? Yes. But they still have the right to waste their time and money trying.
I think it would be more appropriate to say Digg put in an Own Goal on itself while /. merely stood and watched.
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
It seems like the ghost of Jack Valenti has possessed Keven Rose. This is the second story in two days about the MAFIA trying to control Digg.com.
We need a young priest, an old priest, and Glenn Shadix (Otho from Beetlejuice) to fix this problem.
The Power of Christ compels you!
The Power of Christ compels you!
The Power of Christ compels you!
Go away Jack Valenti! Go back to hell or Saturn, or wherever those sandworm things are from that eat the souls of the dead.
Don't f*** with the Internet, MAFIA! You are just five old eletists Jews, and an interpretive dance director who couldn't find a good movie if you worked at Blockbuster. We are about 6 billion people of all religions, races, and with better taste in art, movies, and music than you.
Get off our internets, MAFIA!
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
Fark's doing so is not ironic. This sort of thing is normal, to be expected, and other synonyms for "not news." Digg, on the other hand, is "...all about user powered content. Everything is submitted and voted on by the Digg community. Share, discover, bookmark, and promote stuff that's important to you!"
By reading this you acknowledge that you have read it.
It works on Blueray too you guys. Not just HD-DVD!! Seriously, read the Doom9 thread.
Anyone expecting democracy and freedom of speech in digg lives in a fool's paradise.
Digg logins are suspended. Slashdot article will be hitting Fark soon, and then Digg will be burned under the largest unintended flood of internet traffic ever. We may witness history tonight, as a server room actually catches fire ;-)
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Because the losers here are digg's devs.
First off Digg is a site for user content, but just as a note even a user content site can't allow just anything on their site. there's laws in the country and the best way to avoid crippling yourself is simple complying with them.
Essentially the fans in this case are killing digg because now the MPAA will either get pissed off and sue digg, or digg will get pissed off and close the site. Either way the only people the fans will hurt is digg, the site they frequent.
Btw the people telling Digg to stand up to the MPAA, shut the fuck up unless you got the money for their defense. Oh wait you arn't willing to pay millions for their legal fee? Digg is a site that's run for the fans, there's no huge cash pile of money hidden in the backroom. They arn't getting rich off Digg, they are just people who are creating a fan created news "blog" or link site. Asking them to stand up and fight for the right here is a joke as it will only cause them to close.
And don't think slashdot will stand up to the MPAA if it comes to it. I'd like to believe they would but I doubt it. I respect this site but I also understand the simple fact, the MPAA can bankrupt pretty much any site like this, and while we should fight against this, unless you have the money for the legal fund don't demand anyone fight it.
I was going to do a quite long "poem" with the first word of each sentences based on the hexadecimal number. Which is protected free speech isn't it ? By the way can someone ask the DVDCCA not to make the key longer ? The longer the key, the more work to write that in poem/lyric... Give them 20 more years and we will have to write a full book.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
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And who's to say that the protections used to protect that art aren't part of the art package? That's only your personal assumption and assertion at this point. Logic doesn't support your case. I doubt a court would.
And to be clear..all you've bought is the right to view that video. You did not purchase a disc of data. You purchased a video that merely happened to be on a disc, encoded as data.
p.s. 5 min replies are killing me here. I'm used to real-time debates LOL
Does this mean we like blu-ray now? I know the two are almost identical but Slashdot seemed to back HD-DVD. Not sure why. Does this mean we can stop hating Blizzard now.. er wait. I get so confused what does the collective want me to think...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
MySpace = Loser Grand Central Station
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
If I were personally worth at least $60 Million or so dollars (like I understand some of the founders are), and I had VC capital in the bank and my business model were based on free-speech style peoples journalism, I would:
1) Get some form of publication liability insurance (there's got to be someone who sells this to media networks, newspapers, tabloids and magazines).
2) Take some of my legal budget I set aside for this type of thing and fight the notice, claim the defence of "common carrier", "a venue for free speech" or whatever.
3) Use my millions and millions of dollars to grow an artificial spine.
Seriously, if you are so fucking cowardly that when someone says "I'll sue" you bend over and take it in the butt, then you really don't have the balls for the media business.
If the Wired article has survived since Feb 13 - http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hdd
-G
How we know is more important than what we know.
...at least Digg is still up and running. My article on it melted my server down. After it got dugg, of course.
SecondPageMedia - Wha
Imagine for a moment, a universe in which an organization regulates every word, every sound, and every thought of the public. No such a place should exist, but it does in the 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 zone.
... .com.
... .com?
... .com.
..."
... w-wha..?!
Enter, with the scene of a man by the name of Jones talking to another man, named Jack.
Jones: This censorship has gone too far. I've lost my access to the world wide web.
Jack: Why is that?
Jones: I posted something on
Jack:
Jones:
Jack: I see.
Let it be known that even the utterance of this website's location is forbidden in this place, as this zone that is very foreign, and very restricted.
Jack: What did you post?
Jones: A comment to a story about the freedom of speech.
Jack: Was there something incriminating in your comment?
Jones: I just posted "Oh nine, eff nine, eleven,
Enter two men, both dressed in black suits, with equally pitch black sunglasses covering their eyes. Both men look identical.
First Man: Mr. Jones, please come with us.
Jones:
The men each grab one of Jones' arms, and proceed to drag him screaming out of the doorway to the room he and the other man were once sitting in. As Mr. Jones' screams finally die away, the two men accompany Mr. Jones back into the room.
Second Man: Mr. Jones, we appreciate your cooperation in this matter.
A small amount of drool leaks out of Jones' mouth, as the men turn away, and walk out of the door.
Mr. Jones, in another world, has become another silenced voice. However, this man is not as far away as it seems. For as many times as it has been portrayed amoung the media, the popular mass continues to be like Jones current voice, silent and dumbfounded. This reality of a world in which the utterance of a certain string leads to the permanent removal of one's rights may, however, not be as distant as it seems.
Whilst IANAL, it's amusing to realise that the YouTube videos and works containing the key are now protected by copyright. Citing the above video as an example, as the original author of the work has sanctioned the sharing of the video on YouTube, there is no real recourse for MPAA to get it removed...
Remember, the world doesn't run to US laws.
... refer to this starting point for information and links.
In Australia it is legal to circumvent copy protection and region protection
So in all your grand comments, remember the world is 95% not US
Remember - you bought a disk, some holes, some ink, some plastic and paper - the only part that's not yours is the movie. You are allowed to use that disk for a coaster, microwave it, read it off a bit at a time and look at it all. That's the facts... by most of the worlds laws.
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
hex09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
?
This reminds me of Intel trying to trademark "386" and "486". It was ruled they could not trademark a number, so they switched to using "Pentium(TM)". I think this ruling applies here as well.
But my girlfriend is tall, slender, has beautiful D-cup tits, gorgeous blue eyes and long brown hair. And I'm a huge Star Wars fan. Of course, I'm 28.
... in the end. We just have to wait a while.
Geeks do win
May the Force be with you.
Actually it's February 11th.
J
Here's a good retaliatory pic:
G _HD_DVD_KEY.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h195/mjbw99/DIG
...Digg's front page is totally overwhelmed by this and yet the word "pwned" is not used once.
One of the things I like about Slashdot is how they handled the Cult of Scientology thing. Slashdot complied with style. Cowards, by contrast, have no style.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
must be 09,F9,11,02,9D,74,E3,5B,D8,41,56,C5,63,56,88,C0
Future data archaeologists will be dumbfounded by this number and will no doubt ascribe great religious significance to it.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Its easy to paste in the string of hex to make a statement and it feels good to stick to the man and I'm glad people in cyberspace are revolting and saying enough i.p. b.s. That is good really.
OTH hand you are totally right that we have far bigger problems to worry about. Why haven't we the people caused the Bush administration to melt down like digg for the far bigger crime of lying us into a war that has cost tens of thousands of lives, hundreds of billions of dollars, and has shamed the U.S. before the world? Something to think about.. And yes I walk the talk peace marcher and former tree sitter here.
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
Well, the 09,F9,11,02,9D,74,E3,5B,D8,41,56,C5,63,56,88,C0 gets posted to every gawddam computer support forum - Dell, HP, Microsoft, whatever. How long till someone adds it to a mass spam?
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Merchandise!
http://www.cafepress.com/09f9
Long Live /.
I think the real test of this 'movement' is the day after the storm. Sustained actions such as these are hard to perpetuate.
Back in 1999 there was a big revolt over a judge ruling a piece of source code illegal under the DMCA. People started wearing it on their shirts, and asking "Is my shirt now a device that can be used to circumvent copy protection?" People started even singing the source code as a form of artistic expression.
Learn more here
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
"Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts...
In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin"
IANAL, If they decided to keep the number in the form of Trade Secret http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret, as oppose to Patent, (or even Design Registration? anyone?)...How could they tell others to shut up when it is leaked!?
It's just like if Coca-cola formula is leaked, you are just free to use it...
I think the answer is staring you in the face: as a nation, the U.S. imports a lot of physical goods, but exports a lot of intellectual property. Therefore, we reward companies who chisel their foreign suppliers into squeezing their employees, because this results in cheap imports here in the States. Likewise, we punish IP 'theft,' because IP is one of the last things that we seem to be able to produce and sell.
Now, I'm no fan of the DMCA, because I think it causes more damage and economic loss, here in the U.S., than it can or will ever possibly create in new IP-export revenue. But the logic driving it, when you separate it from the implementation, isn't that hard to understand, at least from a certain point of view. Allow me to illustrate how I think many people see the problem:
When we set aside irrational feelings of American exceptionalism -- those warm feelings that politicians always play to, when they talk about the "American worker" being the "best in the world" as if it was self-evident -- it is not immediately clear exactly how our previous success over the past century [1], necessarily translates into continued success in the future. In short, although everyone likes to say reassuring things like "Americans have always been at the forefront of innovation!", those words ring pretty hollow -- it's not clear why we would continue to be. We're not smarter than everyone else, our education system basically sucks, and we have a culture that's increasingly anti-intellectual and in some cases bordering on non-secular.
What this boils down to is: in a fully globalized economy, it's not clear what areas the U.S. will have a comparative advantage in. We'll probably always be able to export some agricultural products, but agricultural products do not a first-world civilization pay for. Same with natural resources like coal and timber but we'll need them here eventually, so we'd just be selling ourselves down the river. So what do you have left, when you've outsourced everything that can be outsourced to lower-cost second- and third-world areas? I think Neal Stephenson was onto something: music, movies, microcode, and pizza delivery.
'Pizza delivery' is the remaining service-sector crap that can't be outsourced. Music and movies are 'cultural exports,' things that for whatever reason, have a certain cachet in the rest of the world, and so don't really fall victim to direct price competition with foreign competitors. And microcode [1A] -- even if we're not the best at that, either, we'll use our monopoly to milk the rest of the world pretty good for as long as we can. But we can only do that if we can get them to buy into the legal framework which lets you sell IP as if it were physical goods. Hence, the DMCA and other 'strong IP' laws.
All of this is just my rather long-winded way of trying to explain why so many people (people in government in particular) are hooked on strong IP law (including the DMCA, DRM, and anti-circumvention), and proprietary software: they see it as a way to ensure that the U.S. can still make money doing the only thing that we seem to be good at. It may not seem at first glance to make a whole lot of sense, particularly to non-Americans, but I've met a lot of fairly powerful people who are very, very nervous about where the New/Global Economy is headed, and how the U.S. is going to maintain its standard of living [2] in the future. If you're looking for a near-magic solution, which you are if you're a politician, grabbing onto intellectual property as the salvation of high-cost Western society probably isn't the stupidest thing you'll do all day.
[1] Much of which is attributable to having had the good luck not to get involved in any home-turf land wars (like Europe, which got flattened, some of it twice) and getting on board the capitalism bus early (unlike Asia, which is just coming around to this whole market-economy business).
[1A] I'm using "microcode" here to represent basically all IP-derived exports, which includes most pharmaceuti
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
did it?
It's freaking illegal to post this encryption key. Why is digg losing credibility by removing an illegal post? Would they lose credibility if they removed a post revealing national security secrets? Would they lose credibility by removing posts that reveal trade secrets? Cmon people!
No Sigs!
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
I'm going to create a new technology encrypted with a numeric key code.
The decryption key will be 00000000000000000000000000000004.
Then I'll start sending DMCA Takedown notices to every website using the number four.
The MPAA has every right to try to suppress distribution of this key. Is the effort pointless and futile? Yes. But they still have the right to waste their time and money trying.
No they don't actually. They have a legal right to punish the person who leaked this "trade secret" if they got it through illegal means or ban any explicit instructions on how to circumvent the HD-DVD protection. They have no ethical right to do so and this hex number is not a thing they can suppress. Like another poster put succinctly:
If I fail to protect my password, I cannot ethically or legally force others to stop spreading it.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
"
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts...
In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin
"
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
[alk]
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts... In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code. But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be. If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying. Digg on, Kevin
Kevin Rose cries "Uncle," using a few more words: http://blog.digg.com/?p=73
Let's see the id
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74?
"Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts...
In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin"
Kevin Rose's blog post
"But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be. If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying."
I bet this contest will throw up some interesting entries :)
-- Trinity in high heels carrying a whip: The donimatrix - there is no spoonerism
As far as I see from official Blog, Digg actually got a cease and desist letter from some lawyer presenting either HD-DVD lobby or MPAA.
Shouldn't people focus their anger to them instead and boycott that format which already lost by getting support from Microsoft?
I would be wearing one of these ... h0\/\/ l33t x0rs !!
Mongrel News all the news that fits and froths
is it?
kevinrose just posted this: "Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts... In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code. But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be. If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying. Digg on, Kevin" and now... digg does not load anymore. RIP Digg. 2004-2007
"when you fall in a bottomless pit you die of starvation."
I'd have to say that I half agree with you.
Internet petitions do nothing today.
Internet petitions after two generations of people have grown up with the internet as a full lifespan reality should be fairly effective.
/.ed
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74 Classy, I love it. I just regained my respect for Kevin Rose.
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
Digg This: 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
by Kevin Rose at 9pm, May 1st, 2007 in Digg Website
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts...
In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin
Ahhh....good old slashdot.
If you think
Digg is officialy offline, the revolt suceeded!!
Looks to me like most stories are submitted by 1st time submitters.
We'll be back shortly diggs is down
Your sympathy for the MPAA and their corporate rights, end at all borders of the USA.
Get a clue already, the world and the USA are not the same.
digg.com has been taken down.. 6:45 AM GMT
pwned! website's down
Hey, how do i digg the parent up?
If you think
I honestly think digg.com just went offline just moments ago.
Me and none of my friends online can load the page anymore..
Is this a victory for digg users everywhere or have we just destoryed something we did enjoy?
I made the following "work of art" while bored in class this evening. It represents the aformentioned hex number as a 16x8 image.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ironix/480962180/
Still #1 -- Lonely Gay Geek
If you try to go to digg.com, it now presents a "We'll be back shortly" page. Looks like it couldn't stand against the fury of it's own users.
2. national secrets are covered under their own special laws, under which the key to decrypting your copy "cat woman" is not covered. 3. This also is not covered under trade secrets.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
The above, but graphically: enjoy!
PS: Is Digg down? Digg-dotted? Plug pulled by lawyers?
Message contains 1 attachment: spam.gif
http://blog.digg.com/
This was just posted on Digg's official blog:
"Digg This: 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
by Kevin Rose at 9pm, May 1st, 2007 in Digg Website
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts...
In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin"
It looks like this may be a full reverse - the Digg is cowering before its users. Interesting twist.
Ryan Fenton
From the offical Digg blog, "But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying."
At this point it looks like look much like a PR move. In an attempt to make themselves look good, they're acting like they're decided to take a stand against The Man, when in fact they're just bowing to pressure. Besides the fact that they just literally couldn't continue enforcing the censorship without turning off the site, they seem to ignore the fact that they didn't just remove articles containing the hex code, but articles containing the story of their censorship!
Slashdot isn't making a big deal out of their lack of censorship, and they aren't issuing a war cry- but I can write F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 without having to worry about my account being deleted, and that means more to me than some half-assed excuse.
Digg is attempting to shift the blame and rally a cause away from it, when it should be admitting that they all made a mistake and apologizing. Now its too late for them to gain the respect of their user base without a lot of long, hard work (if even that will be enough).
Think they're doing a mass delete?
My assumption is that, one way or another, this case isn't winnable under the DMCA.
What, are you crazy? Censorship is impossible when people decide they've had enough. The rebellion has spread so far, it won't be long before people are spraypainting, "09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0 is the key," on bridges or hosting DeCSS in the open. What's the MAFIAA going to do then, sue spray paint makers? Right, the crackdown has failed and it's going to break them. The MAFIAA has officially screwed the pooch. Honest people deserve to live in an upright manner - the DMCA was wrong from the beginning and it's going to be torn down.
This is about your freedom to do what you want to the bits on your computer. If you don't have that, it's not your computer.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Digg went down!
just moments ago, I am astounded by the power of people.
Digg has been slashdotted!
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C1 bottles of beer on the wall. Take one down, pass it round... Oh, umm...
I for one welcome our new Slashdot overlords.
*Not really a digg user...thank God.
Damnit. And just when I was going to post my "OMFG Cracker Ponies !!!" story. Damnit. http://www.flickr.com/photos/15887989@N00/48096188 5/
-jim
Kevin Rose posts code and backs down here.
"all broken things dream of repair" - chris letcher
I haven't.
Says "Digg will be down for a brief period, while we make some changes."
Hm.
...stuff might improve when the head of the MPAA died. Not even one week later and we are having numbers censored.
digg had credibility?
digg.com (Out of Service)
"We'll be back shortly."
"Digg will be down for a brief period, while we make some changes."
lol, internet
This doesn't sound right to me - perhaps it varies by country, but I understand it to be the other way around (notwithstanding the content owners' desire for it to be as you describe). You own the physical medium, you just aren't permitted to copy it. Simplistically, copyright owners make their money by selling you a copy, not licensing the right to make copies to you. I can sell a second hand DVD despite not having a sublicensing agreement with the copyright owner, but can't make copies of a DVD to sell to others.
Of course in situations where you do make a copy as part of the normal use of the item (eg iTunes store), there is a copyright license involved and the licensor can put whatever conditions on it that they desire.
I'm not going to attempt to opine whether reading a few bytes out of memory (that don't appear on the DVD at all) could constitute copyright infringement; this sort of esoteric interpretation would almost certainly depend on local laws.
This sig is false.
digg users are revolting
It now appears that digg is going to stand up to the takedown notice.
This controversy will likely die down now, as people rally behind digg in support of their fight against the takedown notice.
Digg is currently down. This was the top of the page right before it went down.
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74 [digg.com]?
Digg This: 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
by Kevin Rose at 9pm, May 1st, 2007 in Digg Website
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts...
In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin
digg currently out of service.. doz of in need call 0x09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 for assistance
No homepage, but the RSS is still there - http://www.digg.com/rss/index.xml
I feel bad for Kevin - I don't believe that anyone legitimately upset by this whole situation wants Digg to die. Unfortunately the moderators made a number of bad decisions that only made things worse. Perhaps they should've allowed one story on the topic and had everyone comment there. Keep that page up until they have a legitimate, hand delivered paper DMCA takedown request. Then users' anger would be focused where it really belongs (read MPAA).
With the moderators banning accounts and deleting posts, they took entirely the wrong approach, and are now suffering the consequences. Sadly, this may be a very, very hard lesson for Kevin / Digg.
When you create a social networking/commenting site, knowingly or not, you put yourself at the mercy of a large number of people who can be extremely volatile. Not a whole lot of difference between that and a good, old-fashioned mob of real people.
Here's hoping some good can come out of this whole unfortunate situation...
N.
"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
I wrote a little ROT13 decoder and passed their statement through it and it came out, "09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0" before it segfaulted. My code might not be the best.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
We'll be back shortly.
Digg will be down for a brief period, while we make some changes.
While not digging, the digg crew recommends:
* Amar: Grow-a-Brain
* Brian Rush
* Dan Oasis
* Daniel Top Left Pixel
* Eli GeeksOn
* Kevin Ask a Ninja
* Kurt Freakonomics
* Jay Onion
* Joe ONLAMP
* John paidContent.org
* Micah SuicideGirls
* Mike M Atom Films
* Mike N They Might Be Giants
* Nancy BBC News
* Nicole The Bastard Prince
* Owen Joel on Software
* Ron MadSciNet
* Scott RouterGod
* sbw Stanford Saves Orphan Books
* timeless Spiraloid
* All Digg the Blog
until someone tries to legally change their name to the hex code?
Slashdot Classic
... today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Interestingly, the digg site is currently down with an "Out of Service" notice.
I have a truly marvelous proof of the Riemann hypothesis which this sig is too short to contain...
If you can find me a single definition of "censor" as a verb that refers exclusively to the government, I'd be shocked.
Try the bill of rights, amendment 1. OK, OK, they don't use the word censor they use the word "freedom" to get their point across.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
http://www.myspace.com/rebornone
I do not think this is about the code itself. This is more about people being fed up with the draconian attitude of these organizations. I really think this "uprising" is a good and healthy thing. Now, if people could just do the same thing about things like government deficit spending, the war in Iraq, the civil war in Sudan, and the Rwandan genocide, we would be in good shape.
P.s. I just picked those at random. I realize atrocities cannot be compared to fiscal policy.
Ronald said nothing. He flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse, and rode madly off in all directions.
Well, here's my chance to vocalize an idea I had for a Slashdot/Digg mashup.
The best thing about digg is how fast new stories make it to the front. The bad? Well, apart from today, there's always sensationalist headlines, innacurate headlines/descriptions, and just general pandering to the idiot masses.
So, what about a site like digg where users who had a better reputation had a vote that counted for more? It'd be like combining digging with Slashdot karma and comment moderation. Add to it an algorithm that doesn't call for 50 stories per second, and maybe you'd have something cool. Obviously it needs to be thought out a bit more, but it could work...maybe.
Well, it looks like Digg may be going through the grave-shift cleaning cycle.
We'll be back shortly
I wonder how long it will take to get trashed up again once they open the site back up. Today, Digg reminded me of a Pot-O-Gold porta-potty during Mardi Gras on Fat Tuesday. Eventually it got to the point where not even the drunkest idiot would use it.
I want my! I want my! I want my Eee PC!
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t194/spydermann /free_speech.png
:(
Somebody make the SVG of this, please, I did it with MS Paint in a hurry
12:03 AM MST, Digg now has an Out Of Service landing page
Has digg dugg itself? Or has it been slashdotted? Or... BOTH?
CATS/Diebold '08- All your vote are belong to us!
http://www.cafepress.com/digg_meltdown
Nope, RSS is down. Are you referring to the recent blog post apologizing, or did the RSS actually mention something else?
The corner of a round room
Digg has been taken offline as of ~ 2-3 minutes ago.
Although Kevin's reply states that they will no longer delete stories or comments containing the code, this does nothing to reinstate the masses of banned users. Also, it doesn't explain why they were deleting comments and stories that only discussed the censorship and had nothing to do with the number. I saw comments simply explaining copyright law deleted only a few minutes after being posted.
Although this "reply" is acknowledgment of the problem, it is quite clear that this commitment is specific to this incident: if something similar happens again, they will do the same thing. To me, this means that they spoke to a lawyer, were told what everyone has been saying from the beginning (you cannot copyright a number) and tried to make it sound like they are being nice.
PS. 7 hours with no legitimate news. Wow.
PPS. 09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
Foxed Design
This was posted on Digg just a little while ago:
"Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts... In building and shaping the site I've always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We've always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won't delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin"
Ronald said nothing. He flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse, and rode madly off in all directions.
he speaks the truth.. even if you don't wanna hear it right now.
The problem is not Digg, it's the law.. now it seems Digg has decided to deliberately ignore the law.
How we know is more important than what we know.
oh p.s 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
We'll be back shortly.
Digg will be down for a brief period, while we make some changes.
While not digging, the digg crew recommends:
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Wii browk teh interweb survar.
The main article made the key seem previously more popular on the internet than it actually is. Sure, you can do a search for it all spaced out separated by pairs, but after you get through the first hundred or so, most of the Google results are completely unrelated.
Separated by dashes, there are 222 non-duplicated results.
A search for the full key, without spaces, yields just 32 results.
Please mod the above +5 informative so others can see it.
We'll be back shortly.
Digg will be down for a brief period, while we make some changes.
To be honest, I'd say he's missed the point. The primary reason that his readers aren't unhappy isn't because of his team's moderating of the HD DVD code; at least, not directly. They're unhappy because the stories were taken down without explanation, users were apparently banned for simply doing what one is supposed to do on the site, and generally gave the impression that he had sided with them over us, which is never going to go down well.
If he'd just been more up-front and honest about what was going on, things would have gone much more smoothly. Sure, there would have been grumbling and a few irrepressible rebels would have posted the stuff anyway, but I seriously doubt that the reader base would have caught fire like it did. The biggest issue, IMO, was that it gave the impression (if not the reality) of a breach of trust, and trust is possibly the key thing to have in any sort of community.
If you turn it sideways, squint, and look at it through a hole in a cheese sandwich youll see it!
My friend checks digg daily, I check /. daily.
/. out of service. I guess I'll wait another 6 months to check out digg, till then I always have /.
I was actually going to check it out because of this article, only to see it's out of service. I've never seen
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"To do is to be." -- Aristotle
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Digg is down now. I guess they're going to take a step back and let people sleep on it, including the admins.
Yeah, I know he just wrote a mea culpa, but it's too late - the damage is done and you've been exposed. You can't cram the toothpaste back in.
/ 01/kevin-rose-enemy-of-human-rights/
http://www.bytesfree.org/bfblog/index.php/2007/05
http://diggriver.com/
This is the official digg mobile website, which is still working even though the main digg.com site is offline. Don't believe me?
Mod this up!
I'd like to see the same level of effort put in to catching and prosecuting (executing?) child pornography producers and distributors. If law enforcement put 1% of the effort that the RIAA and MPAA put in to running down kids sharing movies and music, we could clean up the filth that permeates our society. Talk about f'd up priorities...
Isn't it exactly the desire to exercise "the right to view that video" which is the impetus for all this circumvention effort in the first place?
09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
Sigs are awesome huh?
You're like the 50th person that has posted this stupidity.
They're not telling Digg that there is a copyright violation on their site and to take it down.
They are telling Digg that their website is trafficing in copyright circumvention devices. This isn't even a civil matter. This is a criminal matter. The FBI could be called in any minute now, if they haven't been already.
We live in a world where people can encrypt a file, put the key to the encryption and the file on a disc, sell you the disc and then tell you that you are only allowed to use the key to decrypt the file unless you are using a player made by one of their 'partners'. It doesn't make sense, but if you use that key to decrypt the file yourself then you are breaking the law. If you tell others how to use that key to decrypt that file, you are breaking the law.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Don't like gay PDA? Well, imagine how some gays feel about hetero PDA. (I'm straight, for the record). Don't like Pro-420 articles? Well, simple fact is pot never killed anyone - you pass out before you can overdose. But every years thousands of people die from ingesting perfectly legal liquor. Don't like people tweaking the corporate plutocracy by posting crypto keys? Well, then just roll over and let the corporations tel you what to think. Lord knows it's easier than doing it yourself. You're a Troll. A Class A Troll, and I am appalled that you've been modded so well. And when you get your knickers all bunched up, please think twice before posting like that - although, once would be a grand improvement.
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
If your password protects a copyrighted work (as I almost guarentee it does) then legally you can. Stupid laws? Yes. Will this stop the FBI from arresting people and putting them in jail? No.
People get arrested for what herbs they choose to smoke in the privacy of their own home.
You really think it is unthinkable for people to be arrested for telling other people's secrets?
We live in a society that is out of control with laws. "I don't like it. There oughta be a law."
How we know is more important than what we know.
And Digg is back up, and the front page is still full of hd-dvd key stories.
I browse digg, comment when I think its necessary, and find it to be a useful site overall. This odd incident over the key seems to have brought out the best, and worst in it. Good on Kevin for realizing that digg is nothing without its population, and I hope it survives the fallout from all this.
On that topic, the MPAA would be absolutely off their rocker if they decided to take on digg for however-many-thousand dmca violations. If they are successful in shutting it down, all those fanboys are going have nothing to do but post the key all over the place.... come to think of it, in the name of free speech, I hope they do.
The new layout, style and user experience shows that the crew at Fark really have no clue about why their users come to the site. The fact that his only rational is "you'll get over it" shows how little he cares about the people who visited fark.
... now what I supposed to do all day at work?
Quite frankly, the entire site can burn in a fire of crap now. It's like a homosex party in there, and not the "there's a time and a place for everything and it's called University" pretty boy homosex party, I'm talking about giant fat, hairy, sweaty, grunting men screaming abuse at each other in Russian homosex party. You know, the kind that good wholesome gay people get turned off on.
Now Digg has gone to crap, great
Dark Helmet: So the combination is 09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage! President Skroob: 09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage! Prepare Spaceball 1 for immediate departure!
As a Slashdot, Digg and Reddit reader I feel like I am part of a crowd that owns these sites. While we may not own them in the typical sense we provide much of the content on these sites and without us they would not function. I think Digg was right in removing the story just because of the possible legal implications but their communication of the issue was terrible. There was no post of the takedown notice or any discussion of the problem, it just disappeared without real consultation. This is the fundamental difference between what has happened on Slashdot with the scientology takedown request and the takedown request in regards to Digg at the moment.
Whether there is a copy write infringement or not is immaterial. No one in their right mind would go up against a large corporation like the RIAA etc. Despite what many people might think the legal system is not about who is right and who is wrong, its about who has the most money. Even if Digg fought a good fight they would run out of money before the RIAA etc came close to spending their petty change. Digg would cease to exist from then on.
If Digg (Kevin Rose) had communicated to the Digg user base in a manner that let diggers feel that they were part of the decision and understood the reasons (2 paragraphs of crap doesn't count http://blog.digg.com/?p=73) then there would be no problem.
To the Digg team - get a communications specialist on your team or this is going to happen again and if there is a next time and Digg doesn't die you might just save yourself the embarrassment.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21659333-2,00 .html
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
A song, a t-shirt, a commercial, blog title, html color coding scheme, a bad poem, street directions, website name, and many others...
I think the terrorists are using botnets to send out secret messages encoded as spam, either encoded in the images (steganography), or in the choice of stock codes and their values, or somewhere else.
That'd be perfect. Just deploy your message such that it gets shotgunned out into the public, and any cells who want to receive it just make themselves spam targets.
I bet that's how it's done.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
I've noticed Wikipedia is also blocking this number, which is ridiculous, because the number now represents an important event. It would appear to be another censorship issue. I am very disappointed in the way that Wikipedia has treated this issue so far. It is at least as bad as digg.
Although the number itself now deserves its own pages for being a notable event, it likely isn't going to get one, and pages containing the number, or having the number added are being aggressively removed.
The number 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 is now filtered by the spam blocker, so you have to be creative to get the number in there, ("zero nine eff...") but I think the public should show its objection to censorship in Wikipedia in the same way that the public has reacted to digg.
The common argument from editors has been that the number itself isn't actually helpful, but as some other posters have pointed out, it is relevant in the same way that 3.14 is relevant to a page about pi.
Currently there are several on wikipedia that use the number in accurate ways, (pages about dates, pages about encryption, pages about DRM etc.) but as they are created, they are being censored. I won't post a full list because that would help make it too easy for the editors to censor it. People keep putting it up, and editors keep removing it, but if enough people do it it will be overwhelming.
A call to arms... do your part and add references to the number in relevant places (not as spam, but in places where it *should* be but that haven't been locked down yet. Places such as pages relating to encryption, hddvd, etc. If enough people edit appropriate Wikipedia articles and add the actual number, they won't be able to continue censoring it it.
Hopefully everytime an editor edits the number out of a page, some new user with a unique ip address will come around and re-add it.
Wikipedia's treatment of this is censorship plain and simple, and something needs to be done.
Beautiful! Kevin of Digg's Response has all the signs of an arrogant businessman who flipped the bird to his users, and was freaked out when they flipped the bird back. He even pulls out the "What about the Children Argument" claiming '(eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.)'. He then goes on to add 'If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.' I mean, how childish. The guy made a bad call, and now he thinks he's Gandhi.
The thing these arrogant upstarts forget is when you create something and the public use it, the public own it. Sure legally you have 'title', but if you try and mess with it the public will be at your throat. They've invested their time and effort in building up your business, and they're now a part of it too. MMPOGs like EverQuest and Star Wars Galaxies have discovered it the hard way, to the point Raph Koster warns upstarts once others use it, you cease to own it. But the message still hasn't got out.
The smartest thing Kevin could have done is admitted a mistake and canceled the HD DVD Digg sponsorship to avoid conflict of interested. The smartest thing the board could do now is fire Kevin, before their investors see their hard earned cash peed up against the wall. The longer Kevin hisses and spits at his users, the more damage it does Digg. Digg dugg their own grave.
(pause) feel the power, boys!
Backups and ease of use are one thing. Nothing wrong with cracks and such. Most countries agree with that as you pointed out. But here we have a situation where someones property can be easily exposed to piracy by this. And no matter what country your in most all respect that right. So what it boils down to me is irresponsibility by the community for releasing something that goes against the foundations of which this whole arena of debate is built on. Property and rights to it. You have your rights, they have theirs. In the attempt to exert yours, you completely nullified theirs. It shouldn't take much more explanation to see my point than that. At this point it's all just personal opinion leading up to the huge legal debate, and media frenzy, we're sure to see over this. I haven't attempted to invalidate any of your gripes here. Believe me I see the world for what it is, like most people all over the world. Just feel an honest need to call bad form on the internet world right now. Bad internet! Bad!
3:15 EST: Digg is back down.
I find it funny that Digg has, for the first time, self-dugg.
110100 1101000 1101000 1100110 0 1101111 1101000 1100011 1
A rule to live by: There's never any harm admitting a mistake, when everyone knows you're wrong anyway! ;-)
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Sending data is not the same as protected speech. Distribution of illegal programs of any sort is not protected speech, and posting an encryption key (might) be considered in the territory of "distributing a means to circumvent a technological measure..." I'd argue that the problem with the DMCA is not speech vs censorship it is that it criminalizes decryption into order to prevent a completely unrelated action, copyright infringement. How silly is this? If you wrote a novel, copyrighted it, and then published an encrypted version of the novel using a simple Caesar cipher the DMCA would make it illegal for any person to decipher your book should they happen to see how to. For decrypting your novel is a circumvention of a "technological measure designed to control access" ('technological' is probably not arguable for physical media, but the point stands).
Not only is 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0 not illegal (fair use), the reason Digg was originally chided was because the entire concept of it (which is just a number) being illegal or in anyway censured is inheritable comedic. That would be like saying pi is illegal. It's just ridiculous. Actually using this number to copy an HDDVD and then distributing it over the internet is actually an illegal in the US as a breach of copyright, and if the movie studio (who is the sole party responsible for enforcing this copyright) catches you, you can be subjected to a fine. THAT'S IT. Any other use of this number, such as posting it on the internet, making merchandise with it, or using it in conjunction with software to copy an HDDVD for personal use, or use it view the movie in operating systems that do not yet (or never will) have an official client, is not illegal.
--The universe will not be altered by forum threads, even those which are very wry. --Tycho Brahe (Penny Arcade)
I started a page for this, here. It contains ribbons that use 5 colors. The 5 colors are comprised of the "secret" hex code that is being suppressed. Interested parties are free to use these ribbons on their own sites. If you would like to link your ribbon to an explanatory page, I provide one here.
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
T'were once a gang of silly rich old goats
Who wove a single basket for their eggs
And sent their lawyers round to break the legs
Of anybody with the nerve to post
The numbers nine, two hundred forty nine,
And seventeen, then two, then hex nine-d,
Then one-sixteen, then (base sixteen) e-three,
then ninty-one, then one less than d-9.
If you then say the numbers sixty-five,
and eighty-six, then six-score seventeen,
then ninety-nine, another eighty-six,
And bring it up with sixscore more and six,
And one-nine-two, they'll turn a shade of green
They'll C-and-D you, sure as you're alive.
Is it just me or is this page crashing firefox, causing slowdown, or otherwise doing you harm? Weird...
Horns are really just a broken halo.
I applaud Kevin's final decision to let things be. I think he is being a bit over-dramatic and I think it's unlikely that Digg would be shut down over this, but what the hell do I know?
That said, I think the whole thing could have been solved early on if Kevin would have just made a statement. Something to the effect of "Hey guys, I know this sucks but HD-DVD is one of our sponsors and without sponsors there is not Digg. Every once in a while we have to suck it up and take one for the team. If you want the decryption key, it's not hard to find, but please stop posting it here. Those who do will be banned. Sorry, but that's how it's got to be."
Instead they ran around all day at war with their own users. Banning people left and right and trying to keep up with the stories being submitted. I'm glad the users won. It hurt when Digg backed down.
or else!
As a firm believer in karma and a serious reader of slashdot. I truly believe Digg is suffering from bad karma of its users saying "I'd hit it." once too often.
The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity....Calvin
I would submit that the definition you quote is slightly off-base. Perhaps a more accurate definition would be "to suppress the publication of material." While that still might be broad enough to cover some non-government cases, it more accurately suggests that forces must be used to deny the publication in (m)any forms. For example, if I have written a letter to the NYT and Slashdot, and NYT refuses to run it while Slashdot does run it, have I been censored? The message got out.
By this definition, I would suggest that Digg didn't censor anyone, as they were free to publish the hex code elsewhere. But the MPAA or other agencies that are serving up DMCA takedown notices to everyone may in fact be censoring, as they are reaching across all publications, effectively preventing the hex code from ever being published anywhere.
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
You guys are a bunch of immature criminal hypocrites.
The story made it to drudgereport.com -- whoa!
It's the very top link at the very top of the page, above the headline section where it says "GEEK RIOT".
Free speech online!
http://irrepressible.info/
I and many of my friends run personal movie servers to feed our HDTVs. One guy I know has made thousands setting them up. Get a clue why don't you. Even my father has a Mac Mini set up to serve ripped DVDs to his TV, it's not rocket science you know.
Personally, considering the immense size of rips from HDDVD (20G+) i think it is far MORE likely for decryption keys to be used in fair-use situations than in filesharing, until the average filesharer's internet connection speed goes up by an order of magnitude anyway.
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The shirt with everyone's favorite number:
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Saw this schooltrip in the train the other day. One kid started to point at the windows and screamed 'grafiti!' - another kid joined in, stammering on the word, and soon the whole coach was full of kids pointing and screaming 'grapitti!', without understanding what they were pointing at and what a 'grafiti/grapiti' was.
Digg is a corporation, not a country, so free speech doesn't apply. They are allowed to ban / delete whatever the hell they feel like. YouTube and MySpace do it all the time, but because these companies have more PR dollars than digg, they get away with it.
The juvenile behavior of users posting the same number over and over again really goes to prove digg's audience is a just a raving mob of 15 years old. 99.99% have no use for that number anyway, they wouldn't know what to do with it. Lame.
I think your government and companies just got pwnd by the public... don't remember the last time that happened...
*''I can't believe it's not a hyperlink.''
Posting the key itself is irrelevant and does not even touch the DMCA. Posting the key as the key for HDDVDs is.
In other words, there's no harm done when you simply post that very combination of hexadecimal numbers. It's like me choosing "gangbang" as the password for some DMCA-related piece of work and then sue all those porn sites for using that word to describe a bunch of people expressing their randyness for each other.
All you have to do to be safe from the DMCA is to create something that uses said key in a different context, then make sure that everyone who's looking for the key has only to look for your creation. What's important is that your creation must not have anything to do with HDDVD or its decryption.
Basically, trying to keep a key secret is bollocks. All you have to do is to dissociate the key with its lock, then you can talk about the key quite freely.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's of questionable legality, not necessarily illegal. The reason why people are freaking out is because they apparently just figured out that Digg doesn't really give a shit about the democratic ideals and user controls they talk about so much. Hello, it's a business! Kudos for kicking their ass today, diggers, but they never really stood for that stuff. They're just trying to make money like every other company. Most of the time they can do it without compromising but everybody knows exactly what will happen when push comes to shove. Why do people actually buy into crap like that?
You thought my name meant what? How very dare you!
This is absurd. I'm not particularily a fan of Digg at all, BUT this backlash is ridiculous. It seems to me like this is a typical case of a whinging bunch of stupid pre-pubescent pillocks complaining because they can't post their illegal garbage on the site. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO when they get threatened with legal action? It's a free service, what, are they supposed to put their lives, mortgages, jobs and time aside while they go to court and battle it out for a couple of pathetic kids? What a load of crap. Sometimes you have to be realistic about these things. I don't blame them for deleting it, personally I would rather delete the illegal garbage, and get on with things instead of 'sticking it to the man' and spending BUCKET LOADS of money on taking the issue to court for the sake of some whinging morons. It's very easy for people to complain when they aren't the ones that have their own website/life on the line, or under legal threat. Everyone's a 'big man' while they're behind their computer. GET REAL.
II'm pretty sure Sony Clie is gay. And I've always assumed my Palm V is hetero.
funniest thing I've seen on /. :) Cheers
... is the string of digits in question. Now: is that part of pi going to be censored? Are references to the location of the string going to be illegal? Are references to those references be illegal?
Meanwhile, the number can be posted in bathroom stalls, under the frame of 18-wheelers, on little pieces of paper scattered from cars on freeways, and engraved in sulphur atoms on substrates.
All encrypted information has to be decrypted -before- it is used: at which point it's a sitting duck.
Did any of these people ever read Ozymandias when they were in school?
"You must try to forget all you have learned. You must begin to dream." -- Sherwood Anderson
I am outraged , I tell you
Underscore Pat.
Furk!
It's not the fact that Digg did it, it's why and how they did it. For example:
1) Instead of complying with the law and then making a big announcement about how they had to do it even though they didn't want to, they apparently did it silently.
2) Instead of just deleting the posts that were being complained about - heck, instead of just deleting the posts that actually contained the key - they apparently deleted everything relating to the whole thing, including discussions about free speech, censorship and so on that most certainly were not in violation of any law.
3) Instead of just deleting the posts that were being complained about, they also deleted the accounts of the users who made those posts.
4) And while this may just be a rumour, some people have also said that instead of waiting for a proper legal notice, they just deleted those posts when they were asked to by a group who financially supports them in some way (advertising, sponsoring or whatever).
All this shows that the Digg founders had no integrity, no spine, no values. They're reversing their position now, but only because it's becoming abundantly clear that they'd have more to lose if they continued this way.
(To elaborate on that... contrary to what that blog post by the Digg founder says, there really is no risk that Digg will die; rather, they will wait until they actually get a legal notice the proper way, and they will only do what they're legally required to do, which will allow them to say "we tried what we could, but the law is the law". This ultimately will let them keep their community, and in fact may strengthen their reputation, as it creates a new "us vs. them"; instead of "us-the-community vs. Digg", it's now "us-the-community-and-Digg vs. the *AA/DVDCCA/etc". If they continued as they did, on the other hand, they would risk alienating their community; not something that would likely kill them, either, but it'd mean less income and less significance, at least.)
So that's the gist of it. Nobody's upset that they comply with the law (that's what they have to do, after all); what people are upset about is the lack of integrity that shows here.
And from what I hear, there's been grumbling on Digg about censorship and sucking-up to big business for quite a while already, but without there ever having been any real proof, so this may well just have been the final straw.
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Interestingly, my alternate
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Hey guys digg this story :D
All joking aside, after reading some of the comments and scientology being censored on here. Well gee I didnt know Tom Cruise owned /.
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+2 Troll is Slashdot's way of saying groupthink is confused
First, HD-DVD is/was losing the format war, BIGTIME. So, who is to say that the HD-DVD consortium didn't conveniently "leak" the key in hopes that millions of geeks would run out and buy HD-DVD players? If I were a big movie studio contracted to the HD-DVD format, I might even go along with this depending upon how many of my movies were released under the "leaked" key.
We're all being duped, I think. This whole thing is just a giant publicity stunt on the part of the HD-DVD consortium. Combine this with WalMart deciding to go HD-DVD-only, i think the tables may very well have turned to HD-DVD's favor.
This story has even made it to the beeb... link here -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6615047.stm
"You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company."*
Isn't digg a Mac site?
[*] - http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
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Just between you and me, Real pirates roam the seas, not the tubes. Since these pirates are known to actually, you know, steal and kill, it cheapens things when you refer to copyright infringers as "real pirates"
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Nigel: "You see, most blokes will be playing at 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0. You're on 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0, all the way up, all the way up...Where can you go from there? Nowhere. What we do, is if we need that extra push over the cliff...09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c1. One louder."
DiBergi: "Why don't you just make 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0 louder and make 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0 be the top number, and make that a little louder?"
Nigel (after taking a moment to let this sink in): "These go to 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c1."
09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0
Hypocrites
Let's be honest here: Anything named 'Palm V' is more masturbatory than anything else. ;-)
It was a joke! When you give me that look it was a joke.
In the light of this nuisance, I would like to point out that I encode all my media with an encryption method called NULL; it adds a zero to every byte. I am consequently copyrighting the number zero.
(There's a serious point in here someone, I just can't remember where I put it...)
I think your Palm is probably more into onanism, actually.
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I use Dual ROT13.
45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
Sure, there may be lots of infringement, but equally sure, my rights to use my legally-purchased media matter a bit, too. If, to protect my rights, an unintended consequence is that infringement becomes easier, that's not necessarily out of the question.
Here's an analogy that will probably get me in a lot of trouble and that a lot of people won't get: we've got another high-profile acronymized law in the U.S.: the ADA. We've decided it's really important that handicapped people have access to every public place. So if you own a public place, you have to make it handicap-accessible, whether or not you know of any handicapped people visiting your place today.
Now, a consequence of that law is that there are an awful lot of handicap ramps being built, and handicap-accessible restrooms being built, and handicapped parking spots being set aside, that aren't ever being used by handicapped people. So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say, "Let's not be disingenuous here, the primary effect of the ADA will be that a bunch of architects and contractors make some extra money doing ADA compliance work."
(But before the howls of protest begin: I did not just say that we should scrap the ADA, or that the rights of the handicapped aren't important. What I did just say is that the rights of legitimate media purchasers are important.)
I certainly won't be visiting Digg anymore after this. Idiots.
I did the same thing. I have a media server that houses all the "kids" shows so I can save the discs.
Really, it was quite easy to setup (and should be!!)
I run Meedio on the front-end media PC and Win 2003 server on the backend for storage. Works like a charm! In fact, it works so well, I can't believe I didn't do it 5 years ago. It is FAR superior to moving DVD's around and risk scratches or who knows what else.
What's funny is that Slashdot fucking forgot about theri own disclaimer at the bottom of EVERY FUCKING PAGE that says "All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster."
Way to go, Slashdot.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
If they held the number as a PATENT, they would have to make it public. Nobody could LEGALLY use it without their consent. Pirates would use it freely illegally. Plus this is arbitrary data, can't be patented.
If they made it COPYRIGHTED, they couldn't generate it randomly. It would require certain amount of creativity. Meaning it would be easier to brute-force.
If they made it a TRADE SECRET, they could sue their own employees for releasing it. They couldn't demand outsiders not to spread it.
They could make it a TRADE MARK. Situation pretty similar as with patent - they'd need to make it public, then sue anyone who uses it without their consent.
Last but not least they could claim it's a CICRCUMVENTION DEVICE, as per DMCA, except circumvention must be the primary function of a circumvention device. The key's primary function is replaying legal movies in legal players released by legal manufacturers. It wasn't made to circumvent, it was made to access legally, then "leaked" - just like service access codes.
So, pretty much they are screwed now.
45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
As they put it, you pay the bills and you can decide whats allowed.
Basically they are right, no one here or elsewhere has the right to tell a site what they should allow or not until that someone is paying for the consequences.
Look, lifes not fair, don't place burdens on others you won't really pay yourself when push comes to shove
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
Every site based on user contributed content will have to weight the risk of getting sued with the risk of alienating their users by removing popular material.
/..
For most sites, especially those with free access, the proper balance is to leave user content alone until they receive threat of legal action. Everything else is simply too expensive to be practical. It is too expensive to censor material in the original sense (that is, require approval *before* publishing), ánd it is too expensive to pay for legal counseling to judge the merit of each cease and desist letter. So the default policy is that it stays, until smeone threaten to sue. Then it goes. This most likely also the case for
And it works fine, most material is quite legal, and most cease and desist letters are for obvious violations, and anything that remains can be handled on a case by case basis.
This will be clear to most people, the only exception are the usual whiners who always complain about what they get for free. They never contribute anything worthwhile anyway, so that is not a problem for a user generated site like digg.
Results 1 - 10 of about 13,300 for "09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0".
That was quick.
Or the "Scientology effect"? Plenty of earlier examples than something that happened in 2005.
In 2000, GW tried to get banned a site named GWBush.com or something like that, which kept putting up his stupid quotes. When he was caught on video saying "There ought to be limits to freedom", the story exploded.
And of course there is the whole scientology censorship debate going back as long as I can remember... At least to the early 1990s on usenet.
2005 is rather late in the evolution of the internet, and this shit has been going on for a long time before that.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&wo rd1=09+F9+11+02+9D+74+E3+5B+D8+41+56+C5+63+56+88+C 0&word2=31337
I guess it still isn't THAT popular...
Patience is a virtue, but haste is my life.
Money always poisons the idealist.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
We're not here to report on the kerfuffle-du-jour. Give it a month and it will probably be notable. In the meantime, it'll be shot on sight. Because we're big m33nz0rz. Yeah.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
However, Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org/ - is a newspaper. Have you considered writing a story on the matter? Remembering of course to keep it firmly neutral.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
Are you kidding me? All encryption keys attempt to prevent the "free exchange of ideas" to unauthorized third parties. Is OpenSSH now censorship software? Is copyright law censorship? In case you were wondering, the answer is no.
Be careful that you're not simply writing off other people's opinions as propoganda because you don't agree with them. That could make you... eek... a republican.
While he's at it, he should probably list the trolls who automatically demonize one political party at every opportunity even when such a demonization is not germane to the discussion at hand and is in fact nothing more than an inappropriate mud-sling just to try to gain ignorant mod points by those who abuse their mod point privileges to push a political agenda.
Not that such an incident has happened in this thread, of course, nor would anyone ever do such a thing under the Anonymous Coward moniker. That would just indicate how little that person actually has the balls to stand up for his convictions.
The Overrated mod is for reversing inappropriate, positive mods, not for voicing disagreement with a post.
Personally I don't like gay pride parades (I live in Toronto,) but mostly because they march on the streets and block the traffic, and I hate anything that slows down the traffic. I think ages of repression are showing in these parades, the gays feel they have to swing it into our faces because if they don't do, we'll forget about them and they may start slipping into the former ages again, when things got swept under the rug. In any case I don't see harm in gays to the rest of the world, for some reason the nature keeps making them.
I also do not like people around me doing drugs, I don't care what drugs - alcohol, pot, whatever, especially at work (I worked with people who were baked during the work hours.)
This doesn't make me a troll, this makes me opinionated.
You can't handle the truth.
I don't know but I believe...as the old song goes..: I think that I remember Digg as probably one of those sites like the New Yourk [misspelling intended] Times that require registration and login in order to post. This guarantees that posters are not free to post. For good reason real posters probably stay away from Digg like the plague. Third parties have been known to sue Digg posters, among many other similar pseudo 'blog' sites for huge amounts based on specious premises. However flimsy, the money behind these SLAPP suits is serious, and raises the bar to would be fighters such that the average citizen has neither access to justice nor the right of freedom of expression concerning these monopoly interests. That some have not been sued is only to say that this unhappy event has not happened to them YET! When google rats out Chinese dissidents, the dissidents probably go to prison to be brutally tortured and murdered in order to harvest the collagen in their bodies, the organs for sale, and what's left of their skin for shoes and lampshades. Google execs probably get rewards for each Chinese they rat out. What do executives of Digg get when they probably rat out their own users?
...the leaders will follow.
I'd say the people who run digg have learned a lesson in human psychology.
Oh and in hopes of getting some mod points, here is a wikipedia link to something.
Oh, give me a break! The guy is trying to make himself out as some kind of hero just because his customers revolted and forced him to reverse himself on a decision he never should have made in the first place. His "We'd rather go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company" bullshit is about as sincere as Michael Richards' day-after-I-got-into-trouble dedication to racial justice.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
If I fail to protect my password, I cannot ethically or legally force others to stop spreading it.
Sure you can. Well, maybe not a password because those tend to be more volatile anyway, but how about your checking account number? I haven't studied law, but I'm sure you could make an argument in court against the malicious redistribution of your account number by somebody who managed to get a hold of it. Ethically, I'm not sure where the question lies. If you manage to get somebody's account number, and you know you shouldn't have it, and you willfully distribute it to all of your friends, you are being a jerk, plain and simple. Determining whether or not something is ethical can be subjective, but I think a few general guidelines apply. If you are willfully amusing or profiting yourself at the expense of another, you are acting unethically. You certainly have the right, in many cases, to choose to be unethical, but your behavior is still unethical.
Posting the number 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 is like being left at home with the Boston Strangler.
"Live as if you'll die tomorrow." Ridiculous. You could die later today.
From the dig founder. http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
The greatest revenge in life is massive success.
The fact that his only rational is "you'll get over it" shows how little he cares about the people who visited fark.
You should probably know what it is you're talking about before you say anything... that quote, "You'll get over it," was not made by Fark's founder or lead, but by one of the moderators. Drew, the founder, himself commented that it was uncalled for and placed the offender on a temporary probation. Nevertheless, the quote became quite the new cliche over there. Don't let me spoil your rank, however, over what some one decides to do with their own website without affecting the content of the website. Still, your maturity shows, so I imagine something like a little website might actually offend you.
If you have a real criticism of Fark, now would be the time to say it. Some thing about their moderation, as a post above you, or the attitude of its members. Some thing with real substance behind it.
The masses spoke, and unfortunately the masses are idiots.
What if the numbers in question was someone's credit card number?
I don't see much of a difference.
It's like screaming about free speech in a private chat room. Whoever owns/runs the chat room can do whatever the f*** they want, including censoring.
If it wasn't for that thread, I probably wouldn't have OT III tucked away on a half dozen or more HDs. Hell, one of them failed a few weeks ago
Maybe Diskeeper (a disk defragmenter for Windows, the company is owned by scientologists) found OT III and proceeded to trash your disk.
To be honest with you, I'm not a fan of any PDA. Straight or gay. And for the record, I'm a straight white male. With a girlfriend. I figure any sort of affection can be toned down in public such that no one is too offended.
Cynical Idealist
There's a hidden treasure in Python 3.x: __prepare__()
9,249,17,2,157,116,227,91,216,65,86,197,99,86,136, 192
I gotta side with the banning and removals not so much because of intellectual property reasons, but because the spam was bloody annoying!
It all came to a head for me when a story hit the front page of Digg about the Insurrection Act and the expansion of the conditions when the President can declare martial law to basically whenever he wanted. Somebody spammed the number in that story, and another person made a very apt comment to the effect, "If only people put this much effort into fighting something that matters, like this martial law crap, we might actually be able to change things."
So, try putting all this energy into something that actually matters instead of spamming a stupid number.
Kind of like your USA-based logic?
Although I agree with the bulk of your statement, I'd be careful about saying things like "simple fact is pot never killed anyone - you pass out before you can overdose". Can you honestly tell me that no one has ever died from pot laced with something nasty? Or was so stoned they walked into traffic? Or crashed their car?
It's one thing to argue from the basis of individual rights, or at least social and medical equavalence with alcohol. But some of the arguments for legalization of pot start to sound like marijuana is the wonder substance, with no side effects and no chance of abuse. Riiiggghhht - let me introduce you to some of my stoner friends from high school, and see what they even remember from 2 years of 3x/day. And what's with the "hemp will save the world" thing? I always get the feeling that, when Woddy Harrelson starts spouting off on hemp, it's simply a catspaw to get into marijuana legalization. Great - but lets be honest about our real goals, shall we?
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
First 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 next target Scientology!
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OK really I just wanted to comment to make sure I was part of Slashdot history
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What a bunch of whining little brats. "I want my free stuff, and I'm going to STICK IT TO THE MAN!!"
What is the average age of Diggers? 13? If you want free movies why don't you just make your own damn movies and give them away?
Digg users need to come back to /. and send Kevin Rose back to the unemployment office with all his (much more talented) fellow TechTV castmembers.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
This is an excellent point in favor of legalizing drugs. How often is there contaminantion of a batch of Jim Beam that makes people sick or kills them? Has there been any since Prohibition ended? But moonshine during Prohibition was often dangerous - homemade stills were much more likely to leech lead into the final product. Much like the 'but people steal to buy drugs', it's not a good arguement for keeping it illegal.
Now, the driving/walking under the influence arguement is different - I would believe that more people would die that way. But if other recreational drugs were illegal, would alcohol remain as popular? I'm not sure, really. (IIRC, results from Amesterdam seemed to indicate no - roughly the same total number of people would be getting stoned or drunk, it just shifted the share about.)
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
I'll admit to enjoying digg and the mindless Top 10 Coolest
But I lost it for digg when they started threatening lawsuits and issuing their own take down notices to any website that had the word digg in it. I know it's just business but that's the point. I think it was then I realized the sell out had already happened. My epiphany that digg was now a corporation.
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What if I wrote a computer program that would generate a different picture of naked children for any number that you gave it. Various details such as position, color, size, and number of kids could all be determined by the seed number. Would that make all numbers potentially bad? Pedophiles could just say "did you see 0x09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0? That is SO HOT!" in chatrooms. (disclaimer: I have no knowledge of how pedophiles actually speak in chatrooms).
Another example would be an algorithim for encrypting/decrypting 100x100 bitmaps, that uses another 100x100 bitmap as an encrption key. The best thing about this algorithim is that if you use the right encryption/decryption key, you can get any 100x100 bitmap image from any other 100x100 bitmap. (I'm sure this could be done for any image format, though some formats would have slight data loss). So what should be illegal in that case? The source bitmap? The key bitmap? The encryption program? All 100x100 bitmaps?
An even simpler example is we take your proposed long number and divide it in half. Or multiply it by Pi. Or subtract 87. Or compress it in a zip file. Are all these new numbers also illegal?
What I'm trying to show is that for any number you gave me, I could turn it into child porn (or music, or songs, or executables, or trade secrets) using the right encryption/decryption technique. This is basic information theory. Unless you propose that we outlaw all forms of encryption, decryption, compression, computer generated pornography, programming, communication, addition, common sense, and children, you can't make numbers illegal, even really big numbers.
0C-88-65-36-5C-65-14-8D-B5-3E-47-D9-20-11-9F-90
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The RSS was up when I posted, and had numerous stories regarding a certain hex number.
I think it's also a matter of degree. People who constantly use mooshy pet-names, whether gay or straight, can be annoying. People heavily sucking face in public, annoying. A couple holding hands together never really bothered me, regardless of their orientation.
What really bugs me goes beyond PDA though, it's when you get to have a parade, with people wearing nothing but chains, with a giant phallic balloon that squirts. I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be acceptable for straight people, so why is it for straight people.
Around here, the local Gay & Lesbian society of the city of Kelowna petitioned to have funding for a parade. The answer they got back was fairly reasonable and straightforward: such an event would only promote the interests of a minority, and thus should be privately funded and not use taxpayer dollars. They weren't denied the right to the parade, just to fund it from public purse-strings. However, it went to litigation, and from my understanding the city was basically forced to fund the event.
This happens a lot with minority groups or events, because many of these groups have a vocal element which tends to have a persecution complex. I've seen it on slashdot, for example here where a slashdotter indicates that victims of orientation-based bullying should get a special precedence.
Again, this is just the current example, there are plenty of other situations. One of my best friends has a cousin who complained loudly of discrimination. He claimed that he had problems finding work and was looked down on because he was Native (which, locally, is somewhat the equivalent at times to being a person of colour in the US). As my friend pointed out to him: "dude, you look as white as me, and the only reason anyone knows you're native is because you bring it up all the time. And people don't like you because you start fights and steal cars"
The point is that the grandparent it right, to an extent. Many people don't have a problem with group X. They do end up having a problem when group X pushes their own agenda into everyone else's face, or when it colours your point of view on every issue. I have friends who are native. Some aspects of their lives are coloured by their culture, and I can respect that. I have friends/relatives that are gay, and again I have respect for how it affects their lifestyles in both positive and negative ways. I don't mind at all being involved the activities of said groups, but I would if they started pushing it upon me. The problem is when the person becomes the category, and assume they must live their lives thus.
I think it's much better to - if you have the opportunity - live life in a sane and normal manner. This means that you don't need to shout from the rooftops, unless a major issue is at hand. It also means that you can reasonably advocate your position. Some people have to spend every minute shoving their lifestyle in everyone else's face, when we are just trying to live our own, which in the end lessens your cause rather than furthers it. So by keeping things down at the level of "advocate" or "spokesperson" rather than "zealot", perhaps everyone can show a bit more tolerance.
Oh, and for the record, there are cases when an uprising is warranted. Rodney King, being fired based on orientation, and many others, but these are specific times and events.
Hey, I paid good money for my scrotal piercings - and now all I have to do is post a number?
Cool...
One swallow does not a fellatrix make
hex2dec 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
ans =
1.325627888798946e+37
What about this?
hex2num 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
ans =
1.273668854538564e-260
! The guy is trying to make himself out as some kind of hero just because his customers revolted and forced him to reverse himself on a decision he never should have made in the first place.
let me fix that for you
! The guy is trying to make himself out as some kind of hero just because of his revolting customers and forced him to reverse himself on a decision he never should have made in the first place.
thats better
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lets get this slashdot post to over 9000 comments
+5! Moderators should be ashamed.
damaged by dogma
Really. He's just trying to respect the copyright law and intellectual property. Yeah it's all so nice for everyone -else- to come along and say he should take a stand. But everyone -else- is anonymous and won't have to pay the legal bills, and the fines.
It's easy to be brave when you're anonymous. When it won't cost you anything.
I'm not a big fan of Kevin's, but I can't bag on him for trying to protect not only his own skin over something that isn't his fight, but for trying to protect his baby (Digg.com) from rampant clueless anonymous cowardly morons.
The initial responses are understanding. Shows the value of communicating with your users -- which is arguably what digg failed to do, in this situation. By the time any statement was made at all, the "revolution" was already at proceeding at full force.
There's actually one other thing that's lead to digg's "revolt" getting so far out of hand -- lack of editorial control. They're only yanking stories *after* the userbase at large has seen them -- sometimes, hours after the fact. Fark, by contrast, can pull these stories *before* they hit the front page. Seeing story after story front paged, and then killed has only encouraged other users to follow suit.
Digg's HD-DVD sponsorship sure beats Reddit's "NSA grant" sponsorship (now wisely removed from their pages).
Main difference between the BSD license and the GPL license: one is from California and the other is from Massachusetts
And we can really, really hope there's a reasonably informed judge should the case every go to trial. Probably 99%+ of internet population would need to look up rather more information than just the key in order to produce a program that would allow an HD-DVD crack. Since the (legal) code doesn't contain a definition of how much (computer) code is or isn't a "part", the legal precedents that this could set would be dramatic.
I would guess (although trying to read the minds of judges is a good way to look silly) that it would hinge on whether or not a piece of code had any use in a non-infringing device.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
You just reminded me... isn't it provable that this sequence of digits is contained within PI? Every numerical key would be, an infinite number of times... just the larger ones would be repeated at larger intervals. That means that any key could be defined by 'nth digit of pi'.
The "you'll get over it" wasn't Drew's attitude at all. It was Jeff's. Drew apologized for Jeff and said they would take any suggestions and try to be as accommodating as possible with setting the new layout.
My guess is it had more to do with the amount of advertising space than anything else.
You're nothing; like me.
(Disclamer, I do not live in the U.S and I am not a lawyer.) The hex code cannot be copyrighted. It is also useless with out the tools to use. With out the necessary software to use the hex code, it is just a number that doesn't do a dam thing.
1 101000000000000000
In this case the encryption manufactures are clearly abusing DMCA law by demanding take down of the hex code, witch they have no copyright on, they also cannot call it a tool to break the hddvd / blueray encryption, because it isn't one. At least not the hex code alone. The best play for the people how get those take downs is to file a counter order (or what it is called) in accordance with the DMCA law and turn the game on the encryption manufacture. Old fashion riots are also good way to send a message, online or in the real world. It doesn't matter.
It is also important for the big corps to release that our culture is based on sharing, land, water and so on. Music, movies goes into that also. Because if we didn't share, we would be at war with each other all the time.
I live in a country where DMCA law do not apply so they can't threatend me with it.
Hex: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
Also, here is the code in Decimal and Binary.
Decimal: 218497016402258850000
Binary: 1011110110000100000101010110110001010110001101010
That was a superb essay. I might print that out to hand to people, and I wish I had mod points for you.
By all means feel free to distribute; consider it under the GFDL if you'd like to edit it.
One of the problems I see with the American future is that two of those products -- music and movies -- are to a large extent dependent on the health of the country in general. If/when things start to turn really sour and we don't have as much money as a country, we're not the glamour spot of the world, then our culture will no longer be a defining one and our movies and music will be relevant only to us. I think the long-term viability of entertainment is based on the long-term viability of the culture. So that reduces us to exporting natural resources -- of which we still have lots -- or reacquiring manufacturing capabilities once our economy has slowed to the point where we can do that at the same price as third-world nations.
I agree; and in fact this is one of the reasons why I think the position I outlined above is a bit shortsighted. Hollywood and the music industry are only able to export cultural products because 'Americana' in general carries a certain cachet in most of the world; if the perception of America as a nice/free/rich place slips, then over time, the popularity and marketability of those cultural exports will slip as well. (I think this is one of the reasons why the Bush administration is very unpopular among the Hollywood set -- they're dependent in large part on our image in the international arena in order to export their products.) And 'microcode' (which includes not only software but also pharmaceutical research and other IP) is dependent either on really being the best in the field -- which is tough, because our educational system is terrible at the hard sciences -- or on various forms of vendor lock-in, which are probably not stable in the long run.
However, the solutions to these problems are very, very hard, and they involve really taking a look in the mirror that most Americans -- and certainly most politicans -- would rather not do. Nobody wants to do it, both because it's fundamentally depressing: for starters, you have to throw away all the irrational exceptionalist garbage that says we'll somehow magically succeed no matter what, because we're just that damn cool (or blessed by God, or whatever), and beyond that, there are a whole lot of industries that just can't be reasonably expected to continue in a fully globalized market, and are going to disappear. Nobody wants to tell a large section of the workforce "I'm sorry, but you just really cost way too much for what you do, and nobody's going to pay you to do it anymore."
And even if you get past that, then you run into the hard issues about why we're failing to remain competitive; and IMO there are some serious cultural issues at work that need to be changed. A large part of America is borderline non-secular and strongly anti-intellectualist -- this is pretty deeply ingrained in our culture (and has not, historically, been a bad thing), but is probably not helpful if you're trying to find ways of leapfrogging the Chinese and Indians and remaining on the forefront of technological development purely on merit.
I don't have any cute solutions or dogma to push; I don't think there's any easy way out or any free lunch. But I think that in order to reasonably oppose laws and stances that seem to be bad or counterproductive (the DMCA, etc.) it helps to first understand the underlying feelings that cause people to support it.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Wouldn't that be "nth through n2th digit of pi"? Or x-digit number starting at n of pi?
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Wizard of Dig: The peasants are revolting!
King of Dig: They certainly are.
I thought everyone on Digg were the trolls who left Slashdot years ago?
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
But the entire HD-DVD could be looked at as a single, massive, 30 billion digit number. Try to argue that can't be restricted.
And regardless of what we'd like to be legal, the DMCA makes a "part" of a program designed to bypass DRM is illegal. Now, in this context, what is the definition of a "part"?
(2006 Random House Unabridged dictionary) Of course, that's not the legal definition... as far as I can tell, it's not defined anywhere in the US code. Which means, when & if a case goes to trial, a judge (or several judges, once appealed) will be deciding how much is needed to call it a "part". Alternately, they'll decide it's too vaguely written to be enforceable, and the "part" piece will be struck from the law. Then only fully assembled, ready-to-compile code would be illegal.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Digg is not a government agency, it's a private company that can do whatever the hell they want to with what goes on their site. It's not like Digg is the only place in the world where these hex codes have been posted.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
With a UID of 673134, you're "appalled"? That's a long time to hold a grudge.
Come on. You know the slashdot moderation system is totally broken, with no accountability whatsoever; any bonehead can moderate (and they certainly do); moderation being used as punitive "I disagree" bludgeoning on perfectly good, high quality posts; "editors" get in there and systematically down-mod posters and subjects they disagree with (and they're proud of it); blacklisting of moderation capability when it is done as it is supposed to be done; outright banning of moderation capability on the basis of censorship (we don't like your posts, no modding for you!); and of course on top of all this, the comment point system is broken very badly, such that many high quality posts don't get modded at all. The bottom line is, if you even want to have a hope of following a thread, you have to read at -1, or one shortcoming or another of the moderation system will chop the thread into incomprehensible little chunks.
The powers that be have made it perfectly clear that they won't take suggestions; they're more interested in adding "web 2.0" grunge than they are in actually improving how the site works. So don't be appalled. Just read at -1 and ignore the moderation. That's what most of us have learned to do.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
See, I'm also a straight male with a more than satisfactory companion, and I feel exactly the opposite - it cheers me up to see people expressing their affection for each other, even more so to see them engaged in loving physical behavior. I even get a kick out of seeing people expressing love for their pets, rolling around on the ground and generally frolicking. PDA beats the hell out of seeing them walking down the streets, stone-faced, acting like they're robots out to deliver envelopes.
I like what I call "mating plumage", too, that means ladies and gents dressed up so they look good. It's just a nicer thing to see than someone slouching along in sneakers, jeans and a hoodie.
And no, doesn't bother me a bit if PDA involves gay, straight, multi-partner, religious or simply parenting behavior. It isn't like I'm forced in any way to do what anyone else is doing. If I can see that other people are happy, or better yet, joyful, then it's a sure thing I'm going to take a positive attitude about it.
The world is an interesting place. I'm not for suppressing any behavior unless it involves non-consensual physical impingement on another person. The second someone expects me to engage in behavior that I don't actually have an interest in, we're going to have words. And you know what? Of all of those things I mentioned, the only people who have ever done that are the religious, both indirectly, through law, and directly, to my face. Now that behavior I find repellant.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Although it is a PR debacle for the Digg moderators, this event is basically a sign the Digg system itself is working exactly as it is supposed to. The users revolted, using the system, and were able to instigate change on a short time scale (in spite of moderator tampering). While I personally like slashdot more than Digg, slashdot's success hinges on a "benevolent oligarchy" approach to article submissions. Sure, we on slashdot can submit articles and occasionally mod existing articles when we have the points (and post weird stuff to our journals). But if the /. editors wanted to censor something (e.g. didn't want to have something like the HD-DVD codes on the front page), we wouldn't ever know about it unless we read the rants of the submitters' journal or their modded-down trollings on other articles. Some have pointed out (bragged?) that stuff like the HD-DVD code now appears as a user-instigated tag on slashdot. This is true, but only after the article was accepted...
i\hbar\dot{\psi}=\hat{H}\psi
digg.com? "Move along, people... nothing to see here..."
Ok, yeah, I know what it is, I just never gave any value to an entity that is suceptible to "Mob psychology" - at least Slashdot has some sort of moderation for new articles, instead of the "me too" AOL foolishness of yesteryear, which seems to be the rage at digg.com. Nothing there was really very interesting anyway.
Any idiot that spammed Digg with this nonsense or agreed with it should really consider removing their lips from their mothers teat. If you ever wondered how childish and ignorant Internet users can be, then you have your example.
The device keys are different in each line of players; I don't know if they can make them unique in each individual player, though, but it might be possible.
They actually have some pretty good math behind it, but they aren't using it very well, and there are some very determined people who will be glad to keep up with their countermeasures. When people are willing to buy extra drives and to create hardware to break your encryption schemes, you know your DRM scheme is hosed.
It's an arms race. The AACSLA are bound by financial constraints, the hackers are fueled by outrage over DRM. I think it's obvious who will break first, especially when the geek contingent is so very supportive of those who hate DRM as much as they do.
I think it's cool that they recanted and decided to side with their users instead of some faceless conglomerate. That said, I don't think they chose a very smart way to go about it.
If they'd just neglected to delete future posts about it, they might have been able to achieve the same effect, but with some sort of plausible deniability. But given that the founder actually posted the key, I give them about 12 hours before the lawsuit hits.
[blank look] In that case, obviously, it wasn't the pot that killed them, it was the "something nasty" and there is no call to denigrate pot itself on that basis.
You know, pot doesn't make you stupid. It makes you silly. There's a huge difference. The effects are entirely unlike alcohol, and trying to characterize pot as alcohol-like is disingenuous. Compared to almost any other drug, pot is a very safe and reasonable choice, probably on the order of caffeine, and just as useful to achieve the desired goal.
Nothing people ingest is free of negative effects on someone with the possible exception of water. Allergies, already mostly bent out of shape minds, even poor swallowing or breathing habits can get you into a world of hurt. But none of that is a good reason to legislate away a personal, victimless choice. Liberty: It's the drug we should all take.
No one (or at least, no one with any sense) is saying that while you're high, you're normal. You're high. That's the point, don't you get it? Your memory is affected, your appetite is affected, your perceptions are affected, your sense of humor is affected, your willingness to be perceived as silly is affected, and more. That's not a bad point with regard to pot, it's the damned point. And of course, if you use it 2-3x a day continuously, you're going to be wrecked continuously, and that's a dumb-assed choice for a lifestyle unless you're wealthy and truly have not a responsibility in the world. Your friends made poor choices, but those choices weren't caused by the pot. I smoked plenty of weed in my teens, enjoyed it immensely, but never let it interfere with my studies or personal life; I started out poor as a beggar, but today, I own four corporations outright as well as two small businesses, live very well and have no debt. Pot didn't slow me down in the least, or make me stupid, or foul up my memory.
If you really want to know, just go google it. Hemp is a raw material that has a myriad of uses, and it grows easily and naturally anywhere from a clay pot to a yard to a plantation. If it were available, it could go a long way towards filling a lot of needs. Smart people see that, and they add it to the list of why the dumb-asses in Washington shouldn't have made it illegal in the first place, and why it should be legal now. Entirely aside from the drug uses of its cousins (they're really not the same plant, you know.)
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
But the government is not threatening Digg; the MPAA is. The government put the law on the books (just like every other law), but the government doesn't send takedown notices or prosecute violators; it is up to the MPAA to do that. If the MPAA was not "defending" itself the government would not act in its stead.
By your logic, every legal action is perpetrated by the government because they enacted the laws. That is just nonsense. The government can (and does) prosecute a wide variety of cases, but not DMCA violations.
DDNS is a wonderful thing :-)
To casual basketball fans in the United States, "field goal" is an American football term. They might call a basketball field goal a "basket", or a "basket other than a free throw" if precision is needed. I used ice hockey as an example because discussion of ice hockey uses "goal" more consistently.
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Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Kevin Rose you are a cockgobbling populist. Get a backbone.
If you are using FireFox:
URL "about:config"
Filter for "agent"
Pick one of the values "locale" or "extra firefox" and stick the number there.
Presto the log file picks up the hits and unsuspecting web-noobs that post their stats reports host the number all over the place.
The porn guys advertsise there, why not DVD numbers?
I would not shill for my employer unless I was paid for it, if there are no restrictions in my employment contract, I say things as I see them regarding my employers (some gag you just in case).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If one of the most prominent UK liberal newspapers, The Independent, is prepared to apologize for advocating the use of cannabis ( check the plethora of articles: http://www.independent.co.uk/search/simple.do?publ icationId=55&includeSectionId=38&xsuccessUrl=index .jsp%3FtemplateName%3Dresult&xerrorUrl=index.jsp%3 FtemplateName%3Dresult&searchEngineName=lucySearch 1&includeSubSections=true&pageLength=25&articleTyp e=news&sortString=by_date_desc&maxRows=500&searchS tring=cannabis&searchType=independent ) you should really question if it is wise to put that substance in your lungs.
The anecdotal evidence you present is funny, but that is why there is epidemyological studies: to laugh and marvel at the anecdotes while at the same time taking sound health policy decisions.
The UN, The Independent and many serious people do not afree with you and have the evidence to back their claims. If all what you have is your lucky grandad to back yours, well, lets say that you are in a bit of a disadvantage there.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
http://www.independent.co.uk/search/simple.do?publ icationId=55&includeSectionId=38&xsuccessUrl=index .jsp%3FtemplateName%3Dresult&xerrorUrl=index.jsp%3 FtemplateName%3Dresult&searchEngineName=lucySearch 1&includeSubSections=true&pageLength=25&articleTyp e=news&sortString=by_date_desc&maxRows=500&searchS tring=cannabis&searchType=independent
This newspaper used to defend the use of it. 180 degrees change of position once they were confronted with modern evidence.
Front page news a few weeks ago.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
So you are saying they are not bullied, denied rights and called evil by religious nuts?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I am in a long trip by train tomorrow, 4.5 hours. That is 9 hours, most of which I want to watch movies.
I have bought movies legally, but frankly I am not willing to lumber around 4 or 5 DVDs when I can rip them and watch them in my device of choice.
I am not a copyright infringer. The idiotic companies that peddle music and movies keep insisting to target all, copyright infringers and paying customers, with their DRM lame efforts which inconvenience their paying customers (frankly I can't be bother in ocassions to buy DVDs given the cumbersome process to transfer movies to a digital format, thus I record stuff from TV and transfer that, it is not like I am going to die if I don't watch the latest DVDs the day they come out) and do not stop copyright infringers actually making money from their illegal activities.
Let me repeat this: copyright infringers that ignore copyright for a living are completely inconvenienced by DRM.
Give me a DVD with which I can do wathever I want without being restricted and I would have a big colection.
As things stand, I frankly can't be bothered, my gadgets give me more bang for the money with recorded stuff from TV.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
.... because it is as clear as day that the course of action taken was misguided.
People have explained elsewhere what the correct way to act should have been.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If I borrow a DVD from a friend, the companies are getting no money, you are losing even more pennies! Shock, horror, we are thieves.
Look pal, the bussiness model where you try to charge big bucks for something that basically is infinitely reprudicible is broken.
Yes it hurts, people before you have pleaded for their old trade, it did not work.
You have to invent new bussiness models about the work you do, but software licensing is pretty much dead as a concept (unless you have a state backed monopoly like MS, in which case you can damn well do whatever you want).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
IMHO, the US is suffering the birthing pains of the information age. In the information age, profit will center around information services rather than information controls (like copyrights). In order for our society to make that transition, copyrights and all their control infrastructure (DMCA) must die.
Another kind of information is money. Money is information about relative value and cost over time. But our fiat monitary system makes it's profit and controls people by constantly lying to them about the value of their money and taking the "cream" off the top. $5 in 1920 will buy what $100 will buy today. In order for our society to enter into the information age, the fiat monitary system must die. US productivity has increased at 3-5% per year for several years. In a normal society that would translate to "having to work half as much as you did 15 years ago to keep the same standard of living" or "or having twice as much pay (adjusted for inflation) (and then some because of education and experience)". The income tax system (and all the other financial controls being imposed on people also must die. )
I disagree with you that the US is doomed to pizza delivery though. Free markets are not about markets. but about freedom and people taking advantage of that freedom to create wealth and opportunity that never existed before. The political and economic freedom rankings in the US still blow China off the map(for now). We are more than capable of competing with them head on if we stop screwing up our money and stop trying to control people by controling the information ithey use.
Well, at one point American exceptionalism made sense. Our education system was not just better than everyone else's education system, it comprehensively crushed everyone else's. We had seemingly infinite natural resources just waiting to be picked up off the ground. We had no natural enemies, using the power of diplomacy(!) to make friends with England and Canada and using military might to cow Mexico. We were at the forefront of discoveries in entrepreneurship and capitalism. Really, until we industrialized (or more importantly: until everyone else did), we were the #1 nation in the world. Not in "net worth", but in "growth and potential growth". Then, for another period of time between about probably 1935 up to the '60s or '70s, we were the total masters of the world.
But now? Not so much, no.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
As a Sudoku puzzle.
Clones are people two.