Very interesting - I rarely feel pain when I type, but I often feel it when I drive. So perhaps my symptoms are more due to excessive driving than typing.
I'll be keeping your instructions in mind as I take the wheel in the future - thanks.
I think a lot of this has to do with the basic design of both systems.
The core of Linux was designed as a clone of the Unix core, a system that, whatever its faults, has undeniably stood the test of time.
The core of Windows was a kludge, designed to give a crude graphical interface using hardware that really wasn't there yet. From inadequate disk space to insufficient memory, machines running Windows 3.x were not ready for any kind of elegant solution.
Each subsequent version of Windows has attempted to add features to the original. For instance, Windows for Workgroups introduced networking, Windows95 introduced the 32-bit subsystem, and Windows98 introduced the abysmal web-based user interface. But the basic core - the use of DLLs in the C:\windows\system\ directory, the lame "multitasking", etc - remained. In other words, the new features attempted to paper over the deficiencies of the old system. What they did was like adding a remodelled kitchen with a Sub-Zero refrigerator to a house with a crumbling foundation.
The result is, unsurprisingly, an unmaintainable mess. It's only partially upward-compatible and doesn't really work very well.
The biggest strength of the Linux development model is that it would not allow an abomination such as Windows to exist; nobody would be willing to pour their love and/or spare time into such an effort. Instead, development proceeds in a modular fashion, and interactions between, say, X-Windows drivers and the basic operating system are avoided. That goes a long way towards avoiding crashes, too.
If some of the banks in your area charge for teller access, and others don't, well, use the competing banks.
In the hyper-competitive Los Angeles market, I don't think there's a single bank that charges for teller access.
Incidentally, the poor/do/ pay more for almost every conceivable service. Grocery markets aimed at the poor are more expensive than even the elite markets aimed at wealthy gourmets. Poor people without bank accounts cash checks at overpriced check cashing services, even though they could often cash them at the issuing bank for free.
Unfortunately, there are very good reasons for these things; the 1992 Los Angeles riots destroyed virtually every store in poor areas of the city. Owning a store in a poor area is a gigantic risk, so naturally everything costs more. Due to these cold economic facts, I think the poor always will wind up getting the short end of the stick when they visit the bank or market.
I have yet to find beautiful Unix widget sets - even my beloved SGI falls short by using Motif. The only beauty I find in Unix are SGI fonts and Enlightenment widget designs.
I think there's room for an Enlightenment widget set, for those who think computing should be gorgeous. Remember, if you don't want them, well, don't use 'em.
Yes, they got 40,000 idiots to subscribe to Slate - but that was sufficiently few idiots that the subscription plan has been abandoned.
Obviously not enough idiots for MS.:-)
As long as companies like Yahoo, Lycos and InfoSeek have portals of their own, I don't see a Microsoft portal getting any tremendous advantage unless it can offer truly compelling advantages over the others. At this point, I don't think it can.
Wow, nudie pictures in the offices? Sounds like an interesting workplace.
The Church of Scientology organization is more or less a bunch of jackbooted thugs, but many individual Scientologists are fine people. From reading his response to the Scientology crisis on Earthlink, I think he's a decent guy. I thought he expressed the case for his service quite well.
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PS If there were two copies of this message posted, this is the one that best expresses my opinion.
Wow, nudie pictures in the offices? Sounds like an interesting workplace.
Scientologists are pretty much jackbooted thugs, but from reading his response to the Scientology crisis on Earthlink, I think he's a decent guy. I thought he expressed the case for his service quite well.
Geeks have to exist in the real world. What this means is that we have to do things that people "out there" want. For several years now, this has been writing software that runs under Windows, a nearly unendurable misery for the typical geek.
Some geeks don't really care, probably because they have jobs running Linux server farms, or they're still students outside of the Real World. There's nothing wrong with this, but I think it causes them to miss what the 'other side" is saying.
The truth of the matter is that Linux isn't doomed by any of this evolution; until the Next Big Thing comes along, people will always be tinkering with Linux software, and there will always be the slackware holdouts who want nothing more than to roll their own systems. tar zxvf foo.tar.gz isn't going away, it will always be there for those who want it. If you want a hand in preserving this culture, introduce it to the newbies - show them how much faster you can do stuff on the bash command line than pointing and clicking. Young people are normally eager to learn; teach them the hackish ways, and they will learn.
That aside, there are millions of people who don't aspire to be hackers. Your ideas will doom them to the tortures of eternal Windows use. Worse, your ideas doom many of your fellow geeks to the torturous world of writing software for Windows. If you want to help liberate them from that hellish world, you should support efforts to make Linux easy to use and Linux software easier to install.
I think if you visit my ancient anti-Scientology pages at http://www.amazing.com/scientology/ , there are a few tidbits on that subject. Sky Dayton went to a Scientology-based public school, and a number of Scientologists apparently infiltrated management. Earthlink was a haven for Scientologist spammers (they tried overwhelming the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup with cheesy pro-CoS material, but I think it did them more harm than good). Eventually, though, they had to kick off the spammers because it was damaging their reputation as a service.
About a year ago, someone I know who worked there said the Scientology connection was still alive and well. However, as I said in another response, I think the Earthlink connection will kill that off. We can only hope.
Gosh, I remember my Netcom shell account - I was dhd in 1994 - 1997 or thereabouts. I don't think I even cancelled it - they just stopped billing for it one day and I didn't bother reinstating it.
What I remember the most was everyone's complaints about terrible service. The systems seemed to be holding together through glue and bailing wire. System freezes were common. But there was always the bizarre L.Detweiler (tmp@netcom.com) to make things just bizarre enough to be real - at least until they finally deleted his account.
It reminds me of the curious maxim that communities online are best created by adversity. Facing common problems, having the Netcom administration as a common enemy, it felt almost like home.
From what the press releases are saying, it sure sounds like Sky Dayton no longer has much of a role at the company.
I heard a few years back from a friend of mine who worked for them that the Scientology influence continued. But I suspect the Mindspring takeover will all but end it, since it would appear that Mindspring management will be calling the shots.
I'm a little confused about the math behind the ISP rebate offers.
$20/month x 36 months (3 years) is $ 720. $ 720 - $400 = 320, or $ 8.88 per month. Interest on paying off the $ 400 rebate @ 10% should add about $60 to the cost (average $200 balance @ 10% interest over 36 months). So they are actually getting less than $ 8/month for the service.
How could any ISP afford to offer such a deal? It sounds suicidal to me.
The Mac started coming back to life when Amelio introduced the G3 processor. All of a sudden, the Mac had machines again that were comparable in speed to PCs. Then Steve Jobs added style with the iMac and the blue G3, ahd the turnaround was complete.
So, what's my point? Rabidly loyal users will stay with you as long as you're reasonably good at updating the product. If the Amiga had gone to PowerPC at about the same time as the Mac, I'd bet that there would be a viable Amiga market today.
So, what does this mean in the context of Linux? I'll bet you've already guessed - as long as Linux is updated, rabidly loyal users will continue supporting the platform.
Linux isn't going away until it gets replaced by something even better.
I believe the actual problem is that the graphics driver code is in kernel space, so problems with the display driver (apparently quite common) can crash the system.
This started in NT 4.0 - NT 3.51 was apparently much more stable. I actually heard many compliments about NT 3.51 stability that all but vanshed in NT 4. Unfortunately, 3.51 has that ghastly Windows 3.1 interface that I absolutely cannot stand:-(.
That's strange - on my NT 4 system, Notepad brings up a window when a file is too large and offers to edit with WordPad instead. I think the limit is in the order of 64k.
Why not just replace Notepad with Wordpad, I wonder?
I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Gates actually did like messing around with computers, even if his real obsession is success in business.
Bill Gates' main virtue and vice is that he's a capitalist. The great thing about capitalism is that it brings the consumer roughly what they want. The bad news is that this is not necessarily a good product in any absolute sense. And this isn't confined to computers: Yesterday I saw a house in Malibu selling for $ 1.65 million that was clearly made of poor quality materials slapped together by an uncaring crew. Did it matter? No, that subdivision of "custom" homes was nearly sold out when I saw it. The buyers came in, were attracted to the five bathrooms and ultramodern kitchen, and signed on the dotted line. Five years down the road when their house turns conspicuously shabby, they won't know what hit 'em. Windows is exactly the same way.
Consumers want an operating system they know how to use that runs the software they want to run. This is why Windows is successful. Sure, consumers would like a reliable system, but at this point the industry has managed to brainwash them into thinking no computers can be reliable, anyway.
Because of this, Bill is trapped. Bad decisions made over a decade ago when Windows was first developed continue to haunt him -- because he needs to run legacy DOS and Windows 3.x applications. As a result, Windows is a kludge, but it's what many consumers feel they need.
As we can see from this story, the last thing Bill wants to do is build a non-backward compatible OS. What would be the point? Backward compatibility is what the world wants, and Bill will provide. So there.
Nowadays, the government still loves to spend money, but it doesn't like to raise money nearly as much as it used to.
Current "humanoid on the street" perception is that the moon missions didn't do much other than prove that we could do it. I think that's why NASA isn't getting the big bucks anymore. On the other hand, it has to be admitted they haven't been doing anything earth-shattering with the bucks they have gotten - and they're still spending quite a bit in absolute terms.
at least not for major web hosting services. They've gone to name-based virtual hosts for eons now, so you can't find every domain on the net by just accessing every IP address.
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I don't think the two terms are mutually exclusive. I don't think Nitrozac would draw her cartoons the way she did if there wasn't a healthy sexuality seething beneath those boots.
People of both sexes vary significantly in sexual interest. I'm sure there are plenty of male geeks who would be perfectly happy with a girl who hated sex and encouraged eternal celibacy. I'm not one of them - but that's OK, I certainly detect interest in sex (note: not in me personally, but in sex generally) among most of the female geeks who've bothered to post here.
So, although I lack conclusive evidence, I think you underrate the personality and needs of the geek female. The only real problem with geek females is that there are about 50,000 geek males for every unattached geek female - odds that are bound to discourage the stoutest hearts. This is why I'm trying to look outside of the online world for a girlfriend.
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Well, if you've had sex with both guys and girls, and liked both, then I'd count you as bi. You can still be bi and like guys better than girls, or vice versa.
I think many geek guys suffer from "hopelessness syndrome" and maybe even a bit of fear.
Hopelessness syndrome is when we realize there are about 50,000 geek guys for every single geek girl, and give up looking for one.
Fear is what we feel when encountering a geek girl like the original poster. She sounds smart enough, which is very good, but she also sounds like she'd bite you in two on the slightest provocation. I suspect many geek girls are like that, just as a matter of survival. After all, they don't have the time or energy to date all 50,000 guys they could attract.
So buck up. You should have no trouble at all finding 50,000 guys, if you want them. All you have to do is give them a little encouragement and they'll flock to you.
Net Centuries ago, the domain name system was originally split into the COM, NET and ORG top-level domains. Originally, COM was commercial organization, NET was ISP, and ORG was organization, pretty much a catch-all.
The NET part of this was occasionally policed, but as far as I know the InterNIC never (or hardly ever) scrutinized applications for the ORG domain. Once they started charging for names, I believe that pretty much any type of policing went out the window - you could get whatever domain name you wanted, as long as it was not taken and you could afford the fee.
Now, as others have mentioned, you are actively encouraged to take your name in all domains so the InterNIC gets more money.
Rob has mentioned publically that he's tried to get slashdot.com, but the existing owner won't sell. Probably he's hoping for an AltaVista-style payout from Andover. It's a pretty similar situation - AltaVista spent a lot of time and money building up the altavista.digital.com brandname, but since people were confusing it with altavista.com, Digital/Compaq eventually had to buy the domain for $ 3.5 million. Likewise, the Slashdot brand name is now worth quite a bit of money (as we can see from the purchase amount), so the.com equivalent probably is too.
Fortunately, I think most Slashdot readers are "hip" to the.org domain name, so I doubt that buying the.com equivalent will matter enough for it to be worth what the owner's asking. One thing for sure: it's not being used for much now.
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Very interesting - I rarely feel pain when I type, but I often feel it when I drive. So perhaps my symptoms are more due to excessive driving than typing.
I'll be keeping your instructions in mind as I take the wheel in the future - thanks.
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I think a lot of this has to do with the basic design of both systems.
The core of Linux was designed as a clone of the Unix core, a system that, whatever its faults, has undeniably stood the test of time.
The core of Windows was a kludge, designed to give a crude graphical interface using hardware that really wasn't there yet. From inadequate disk space to insufficient memory, machines running Windows 3.x were not ready for any kind of elegant solution.
Each subsequent version of Windows has attempted to add features to the original. For instance, Windows for Workgroups introduced networking, Windows95 introduced the 32-bit subsystem, and Windows98 introduced the abysmal web-based user interface. But the basic core - the use of DLLs in the C:\windows\system\ directory, the lame "multitasking", etc - remained. In other words, the new features attempted to paper over the deficiencies of the old system. What they did was like adding a remodelled kitchen with a Sub-Zero refrigerator to a house with a crumbling foundation.
The result is, unsurprisingly, an unmaintainable mess. It's only partially upward-compatible and doesn't really work very well.
The biggest strength of the Linux development model is that it would not allow an abomination such as Windows to exist; nobody would be willing to pour their love and/or spare time into such an effort. Instead, development proceeds in a modular fashion, and interactions between, say, X-Windows drivers and the basic operating system are avoided. That goes a long way towards avoiding crashes, too.
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If some of the banks in your area charge for teller access, and others don't, well, use the competing banks.
/do/ pay more for almost every conceivable service. Grocery markets aimed at the poor are more expensive than even the elite markets aimed at wealthy gourmets. Poor people without bank accounts cash checks at overpriced check cashing services, even though they could often cash them at the issuing bank for free.
In the hyper-competitive Los Angeles market, I don't think there's a single bank that charges for teller access.
Incidentally, the poor
Unfortunately, there are very good reasons for these things; the 1992 Los Angeles riots destroyed virtually every store in poor areas of the city. Owning a store in a poor area is a gigantic risk, so naturally everything costs more. Due to these cold economic facts, I think the poor always will wind up getting the short end of the stick when they visit the bank or market.
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Think he got any Red Hat shares through the IPO? I mean, after all, if anyone deserved shares, it was him. :-)
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He might be doing better than we think
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I have yet to find beautiful Unix widget sets - even my beloved SGI falls short by using Motif. The only beauty I find in Unix are SGI fonts and Enlightenment widget designs.
I think there's room for an Enlightenment widget set, for those who think computing should be gorgeous. Remember, if you don't want them, well, don't use 'em.
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Truthfully, I think you're being a bit nostalgic here.
Windows95 was essentially unusable on any 486 - I still remember the start menu taking ages and ages to come up.
I don't know how much better or worse Gnome would be; my guess is that neither would be considered even vaguely acceptable on either system.
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Yes, they got 40,000 idiots to subscribe to Slate - but that was sufficiently few idiots that the subscription plan has been abandoned.
:-)
Obviously not enough idiots for MS.
As long as companies like Yahoo, Lycos and InfoSeek have portals of their own, I don't see a Microsoft portal getting any tremendous advantage unless it can offer truly compelling advantages over the others. At this point, I don't think it can.
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I think many of the early hires were Scientologists, and at least in the early days, that coloured the philosophy of the company.
My impression is that this has faded significantly as more professional management took over.
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Wow, nudie pictures in the offices? Sounds like an interesting workplace.
The Church of Scientology organization is more or less a bunch of jackbooted thugs, but many individual Scientologists are fine people. From reading his response to the Scientology crisis on Earthlink, I think he's a decent guy. I thought he expressed the case for his service quite well.
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PS If there were two copies of this message posted, this is the one that best expresses my opinion.
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Wow, nudie pictures in the offices? Sounds like an interesting workplace.
Scientologists are pretty much jackbooted thugs, but from reading his response to the Scientology crisis on Earthlink, I think he's a decent guy. I thought he expressed the case for his service quite well.
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Geeks have to exist in the real world. What this means is that we have to do things that people "out there" want. For several years now, this has been writing software that runs under Windows, a nearly unendurable misery for the typical geek.
Some geeks don't really care, probably because they have jobs running Linux server farms, or they're still students outside of the Real World. There's nothing wrong with this, but I think it causes them to miss what the 'other side" is saying.
The truth of the matter is that Linux isn't doomed by any of this evolution; until the Next Big Thing comes along, people will always be tinkering with Linux software, and there will always be the slackware holdouts who want nothing more than to roll their own systems. tar zxvf foo.tar.gz isn't going away, it will always be there for those who want it. If you want a hand in preserving this culture, introduce it to the newbies - show them how much faster you can do stuff on the bash command line than pointing and clicking. Young people are normally eager to learn; teach them the hackish ways, and they will learn.
That aside, there are millions of people who don't aspire to be hackers. Your ideas will doom them to the tortures of eternal Windows use. Worse, your ideas doom many of your fellow geeks to the torturous world of writing software for Windows. If you want to help liberate them from that hellish world, you should support efforts to make Linux easy to use and Linux software easier to install.
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I think if you visit my ancient anti-Scientology pages at http://www.amazing.com/scientology/ , there are a few tidbits on that subject. Sky Dayton went to a Scientology-based public school, and a number of Scientologists apparently infiltrated management. Earthlink was a haven for Scientologist spammers (they tried overwhelming the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup with cheesy pro-CoS material, but I think it did them more harm than good). Eventually, though, they had to kick off the spammers because it was damaging their reputation as a service.
About a year ago, someone I know who worked there said the Scientology connection was still alive and well. However, as I said in another response, I think the Earthlink connection will kill that off. We can only hope.
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Gosh, I remember my Netcom shell account - I was dhd in 1994 - 1997 or thereabouts. I don't think I even cancelled it - they just stopped billing for it one day and I didn't bother reinstating it.
What I remember the most was everyone's complaints about terrible service. The systems seemed to be holding together through glue and bailing wire. System freezes were common. But there was always the bizarre L.Detweiler (tmp@netcom.com) to make things just bizarre enough to be real - at least until they finally deleted his account.
It reminds me of the curious maxim that communities online are best created by adversity. Facing common problems, having the Netcom administration as a common enemy, it felt almost like home.
Pity nothing like that exists anymore.
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From what the press releases are saying, it sure sounds like Sky Dayton no longer has much of a role at the company.
I heard a few years back from a friend of mine who worked for them that the Scientology influence continued. But I suspect the Mindspring takeover will all but end it, since it would appear that Mindspring management will be calling the shots.
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I'm a little confused about the math behind the ISP rebate offers.
$20/month x 36 months (3 years) is $ 720. $ 720 - $400 = 320, or $ 8.88 per month. Interest on paying off the $ 400 rebate @ 10% should add about $60 to the cost (average $200 balance @ 10% interest over 36 months). So they are actually getting less than $ 8/month for the service.
How could any ISP afford to offer such a deal? It sounds suicidal to me.
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The Mac started coming back to life when Amelio introduced the G3 processor. All of a sudden, the Mac had machines again that were comparable in speed to PCs. Then Steve Jobs added style with the iMac and the blue G3, ahd the turnaround was complete.
So, what's my point? Rabidly loyal users will stay with you as long as you're reasonably good at updating the product. If the Amiga had gone to PowerPC at about the same time as the Mac, I'd bet that there would be a viable Amiga market today.
So, what does this mean in the context of Linux? I'll bet you've already guessed - as long as Linux is updated, rabidly loyal users will continue supporting the platform.
Linux isn't going away until it gets replaced by something even better.
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I believe the actual problem is that the graphics driver code is in kernel space, so problems with the display driver (apparently quite common) can crash the system.
:-(.
This started in NT 4.0 - NT 3.51 was apparently much more stable. I actually heard many compliments about NT 3.51 stability that all but vanshed in NT 4. Unfortunately, 3.51 has that ghastly Windows 3.1 interface that I absolutely cannot stand
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That's strange - on my NT 4 system, Notepad brings up a window when a file is too large and offers to edit with WordPad instead. I think the limit is in the order of 64k.
Why not just replace Notepad with Wordpad, I wonder?
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I tried it.
All the references I found were clearly sarcastic.
Oops.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Gates actually did like messing around with computers, even if his real obsession is success in business.
Bill Gates' main virtue and vice is that he's a capitalist. The great thing about capitalism is that it brings the consumer roughly what they want. The bad news is that this is not necessarily a good product in any absolute sense. And this isn't confined to computers: Yesterday I saw a house in Malibu selling for $ 1.65 million that was clearly made of poor quality materials slapped together by an uncaring crew. Did it matter? No, that subdivision of "custom" homes was nearly sold out when I saw it. The buyers came in, were attracted to the five bathrooms and ultramodern kitchen, and signed on the dotted line. Five years down the road when their house turns conspicuously shabby, they won't know what hit 'em. Windows is exactly the same way.
Consumers want an operating system they know how to use that runs the software they want to run. This is why Windows is successful. Sure, consumers would like a reliable system, but at this point the industry has managed to brainwash them into thinking no computers can be reliable, anyway.
Because of this, Bill is trapped. Bad decisions made over a decade ago when Windows was first developed continue to haunt him -- because he needs to run legacy DOS and Windows 3.x applications. As a result, Windows is a kludge, but it's what many consumers feel they need.
As we can see from this story, the last thing Bill wants to do is build a non-backward compatible OS. What would be the point? Backward compatibility is what the world wants, and Bill will provide. So there.
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Nowadays, the government still loves to spend money, but it doesn't like to raise money nearly as much as it used to.
Current "humanoid on the street" perception is that the moon missions didn't do much other than prove that we could do it. I think that's why NASA isn't getting the big bucks anymore. On the other hand, it has to be admitted they haven't been doing anything earth-shattering with the bucks they have gotten - and they're still spending quite a bit in absolute terms.
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at least not for major web hosting services. They've gone to name-based virtual hosts for eons now, so you can't find every domain on the net by just accessing every IP address.
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I don't think the two terms are mutually exclusive. I don't think Nitrozac would draw her cartoons the way she did if there wasn't a healthy sexuality seething beneath those boots.
People of both sexes vary significantly in sexual interest. I'm sure there are plenty of male geeks who would be perfectly happy with a girl who hated sex and encouraged eternal celibacy. I'm not one of them - but that's OK, I certainly detect interest in sex (note: not in me personally, but in sex generally) among most of the female geeks who've bothered to post here.
So, although I lack conclusive evidence, I think you underrate the personality and needs of the geek female. The only real problem with geek females is that there are about 50,000 geek males for every unattached geek female - odds that are bound to discourage the stoutest hearts. This is why I'm trying to look outside of the online world for a girlfriend.
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Well, if you've had sex with both guys and girls, and liked both, then I'd count you as bi. You can still be bi and like guys better than girls, or vice versa.
I think many geek guys suffer from "hopelessness syndrome" and maybe even a bit of fear.
Hopelessness syndrome is when we realize there are about 50,000 geek guys for every single geek girl, and give up looking for one.
Fear is what we feel when encountering a geek girl like the original poster. She sounds smart enough, which is very good, but she also sounds like she'd bite you in two on the slightest provocation. I suspect many geek girls are like that, just as a matter of survival. After all, they don't have the time or energy to date all 50,000 guys they could attract.
So buck up. You should have no trouble at all finding 50,000 guys, if you want them. All you have to do is give them a little encouragement and they'll flock to you.
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Net Centuries ago, the domain name system was originally split into the COM, NET and ORG top-level domains. Originally, COM was commercial organization, NET was ISP, and ORG was organization, pretty much a catch-all.
.com equivalent probably is too.
.org domain name, so I doubt that buying the .com equivalent will matter enough for it to be worth what the owner's asking. One thing for sure: it's not being used for much now.
The NET part of this was occasionally policed, but as far as I know the InterNIC never (or hardly ever) scrutinized applications for the ORG domain. Once they started charging for names, I believe that pretty much any type of policing went out the window - you could get whatever domain name you wanted, as long as it was not taken and you could afford the fee.
Now, as others have mentioned, you are actively encouraged to take your name in all domains so the InterNIC gets more money.
Rob has mentioned publically that he's tried to get slashdot.com, but the existing owner won't sell. Probably he's hoping for an AltaVista-style payout from Andover. It's a pretty similar situation - AltaVista spent a lot of time and money building up the altavista.digital.com brandname, but since people were confusing it with altavista.com, Digital/Compaq eventually had to buy the domain for $ 3.5 million. Likewise, the Slashdot brand name is now worth quite a bit of money (as we can see from the purchase amount), so the
Fortunately, I think most Slashdot readers are "hip" to the
Hope that gives you the proper perspective.
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