Too bad they went from a totally broken system to a half broken system when they could have gone to a functional system.
Then there's the matter of the tech being decades old. They had the option to introduce it through attrition so the cost would be part of the normal upgrade cycle.
It's fortunate there is so little to accumulate. Note that it's not a one-way movement, it has a 70 day biological half-life (30 with prussian blue treatment).
Fortunately it is incredibly dilute. Here's some fun facts. If you can manage to drink a cubic meter of the ocean water (after removing the salt so it won't kill you), you will be slightly less radioactive for a while due to potassium loss. Don't try it all at once though, it could kill you due to 'water poisoning').
If you're the sort to panic, you will add more radiation to your body by taking potassium iodide pills than the water will contribute.
The problem is that the technology to make the breaches meaningless has existed for decades now but the banks refuse to implement anything like it. The banks are the ones that have foisted the fundamentally flawed system on the retaiolers and now expect them to spend bucketloads of cash on shoring it all up.
As long as they are allowed to continue pushing the costs off onto merchants and consumers, the problems will continue.
For example, if credit cards were smart cards and consumers carried a cheap dumb card terminal with them, they could cryptographically sign transaction records which retailers could submit once. It wouldn't actually matter at that point if each and every such record was copied as soon as it was made or even if the POS terminal was actively infected at the time. The records could only cause the purchase amount to transfer from customer to merchant once.
Personally, I'm an omnivore. My wife went vegetarian for health reasons but also considers vegan too far. Some cultures think we're nuts for ignoring insects as a high density protein source. Others think our standards for bug parts in grains are too loose.
All in all though, I believe if our society wants to claim the moral high ground (as it surely does when it imprisons someone), it needs to actually occupy that high ground and accommodate dietary choices, particularly when they're not expensive to implement.
Vegan is normal enough. You didn't have to look it up, did you? You've probably actually met a vegan even. Is it 'normal' in society to not allow people to be vegan? Is it normal not to permit dietary choices for moral or religious reasons (such as kosher or halal)? No, that is not normal.
As for the rest, in addition to people who have not yet been convicted of any crime, there are people who were wrongly convicted or who took a plea in the face of insurmountable odds against them in spite of innocence.
Then there's the idea of taking someone who has shown an unfortunate tendency to give up on morals over practical concerns and bullying them into sacrificing what little moral convictions they have left for more practicality. Surely this will teach them how much society values moral conviction...
OTOH, a prison serving Alpo and maggots every night while laughing about your "fancy pants USDA approved diet" might be going a bit far, don't you think?
OTOH, it's not like omnivores cannot also eat vegan dishes (and even enjoy them), so they can still get the benefit of scale if they prepare a vegan side dish for everyone and let the actual vegans have it as the main course.
And reducing to the absurd, is it OK for the prison to cook and serve recipients of the death penalty to the other prisoners? If not, then the prisoners have at least some rights WRT diet.
Moving back to the real world, does a person with a potentially fatal reaction to peanuts have a right to a nut free environment? There's some further rights in diet.
Note that some vegetarians and vegans actually will get sick if they eat meat. Probably not fatally so, but it might be quite painful and incapacitating. Surely that should suggest further rights WRT diet.
Now, lets consider harmless to most but disgusting. Is it OK for the prison to serve a can of dog food in a bowl for dinner? Probably not though I acknowledge that some sickos (who probably belong in prison) think that would be funny (as long as they aren't in prison).
Given that you felt driven to reply with an insult that amounts to fighting words a week after the conversation was over, it seems you do feel you have something to prove. What that may be, I don't know.
Your latest link is a bit weak even from an apologist standpoint. But I'll just leave it at that.
Let's see what linus said about it, it's easy to do when a quote from hin is one post up from the end one:/p>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
+Paul Morgan I think what you (and others) seem to miss is that the systemd people made the "debug" option that we introduced not just do something - but do something useless that actively broke other peoples use of that option.
It doesn't matter who "owns" it, the fact is, they broke it.
Ok, fine. Bugs happen, and that's not what makes people upset.
What makes me (and others) upset is that when the bug is reported, with explanations and a suggestion for how to fix it, Kay just closed the bug-report, claiming it wasn't a bug.
Seriously? You want to debug kernel stuff, using the kernel command line command "debug" that makes the kernel more verbose, and now the systemd people say "sorry, we stole your thing and made it useless, and it's not a bug because you didn't call shot-gun".
Now, if this was an isolated incident, I personally would let it go. There are bad engineers out there, it's not worth worrying about. Ignore them and move on.
But this is not an isolated incident. This is how Kay has treated other bugs in the past. Literally months of stalling, closing bug-reports, and blaming other people and projects for problems that he caused, telling others how they should change their projects because he broke something, and obviously it can't be his fault.
And that is a problem.
You REALLY should read things before you claim they support your position. Now you leave the impression you were dropped on your head.
It's not an issue. If APIs can't be copyrighted, that leaves the vendor of a proprietary driver free to implement their very own kernel that has exactly the API and ABI of the linux kernel but exports that ABI to proprietary drivers. I'll just wish them good luck with that.
WOW, REALLY?!? Completely refuting your claim (an inflammatory claim that I am a liar, which would get your face punched in some places) and you claim cherrypicking? Do you always spew such partially liquefied bull crap from your mouth?
You're also apparently too stupoid to read your own damned link to the end to make sure it doesn't make an ass of you.
You're full of shit and raised by wolves. You likely attract flies. Begone! Quit stinking the place up!
There is a liar but it isn't me. Look at the bottom of the page:
Lennart Poettering 2014-05-24 08:38:07 UTC
systemd in git since a while will turn its debug output on if the kernel command line cotnains "debug", this will stay that way. However, it has been changed to not dump things to kmsg as soon as the journal is up. Up to that point we will still dump things to kmsg howerver, since there's no other nice place to put this.
Closing.
In other words, he claims resolved fixed but the action (not) taken was actually wontfix notabug
Honestly, if you will contemplate why I would applaud the moves uselessd has taken and why I might consider it to be correct even while the project it forked is wrong, you may gain enlightenment. Your entire view of how a system works will change in ways that will leave you unable tyo imagine why you couldn't see it in it's simplicioty before.
I have to agree. While an attempt to weasel around the last argument might be interesting, ironic, and prove my point, I await it primarily for entertainment purposes.
You left out a gratuitous replacement for ntpd that depends on systemd, logind which depends on systemd (or did until it was hacked), the dhcpcd that depends on systemd, Gnome depending on logind that depends on systemd, etc. Need I go on? All that for a supposed process manager?
Of course, if X screws up, you don't get stuck with a system that can't boot. You get a console that works that you can use to fix the thing.
As for the modularity, where is it with systemd? Where is the replaceable zombie reaper? Deciding I want init to start the system but systemd to monitor processes? Don't fancy journald but want process management? X allows me to mix and match to that granularity easily.
I don't claim perfection for X but the fundamental idea is very much appropriate to Unix. It has had a problem with barnacles since then which may be what you were seeing complaints about.
Believe me, I know computers are more complex now. 20 years ago you didn't have to initialize the RAM chips before memory started working. But I see nothing there that suggests abandoning a successful design paradigm.
In fact, personally I am happy to see some elements of plan9 showing up.
That is unknown for now. We don't know everything about the autoimmune reaction that destroys the beta cells in the first place.
IF and it is an if, the autoimmune reaction is simply the starting trigger and the destruction is sustained by other follow-on effects, this might actually cure or lessen the disease in people who have been affected for a while.
The thing is, the induced type I in mice is a very limited model, so all they can say for sure is that there is reason to believe it might be of some benefit to some patients.
Actually, it can be even worse. Unlike heroine addicts who can (from a medical standpoint) choose never to self-inject anything again, type II diabetics don't have the option of just not eating anything ever again.
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Too bad they went from a totally broken system to a half broken system when they could have gone to a functional system.
Then there's the matter of the tech being decades old. They had the option to introduce it through attrition so the cost would be part of the normal upgrade cycle.
It's fortunate there is so little to accumulate. Note that it's not a one-way movement, it has a 70 day biological half-life (30 with prussian blue treatment).
Fortunately it is incredibly dilute. Here's some fun facts. If you can manage to drink a cubic meter of the ocean water (after removing the salt so it won't kill you), you will be slightly less radioactive for a while due to potassium loss. Don't try it all at once though, it could kill you due to 'water poisoning').
If you're the sort to panic, you will add more radiation to your body by taking potassium iodide pills than the water will contribute.
Yes, but likely in part because the last few years have made it apparent that banks will never be held accountable for the laws they break.
The problem is that the technology to make the breaches meaningless has existed for decades now but the banks refuse to implement anything like it. The banks are the ones that have foisted the fundamentally flawed system on the retaiolers and now expect them to spend bucketloads of cash on shoring it all up.
As long as they are allowed to continue pushing the costs off onto merchants and consumers, the problems will continue.
For example, if credit cards were smart cards and consumers carried a cheap dumb card terminal with them, they could cryptographically sign transaction records which retailers could submit once. It wouldn't actually matter at that point if each and every such record was copied as soon as it was made or even if the POS terminal was actively infected at the time. The records could only cause the purchase amount to transfer from customer to merchant once.
Personally, I'm an omnivore. My wife went vegetarian for health reasons but also considers vegan too far. Some cultures think we're nuts for ignoring insects as a high density protein source. Others think our standards for bug parts in grains are too loose.
All in all though, I believe if our society wants to claim the moral high ground (as it surely does when it imprisons someone), it needs to actually occupy that high ground and accommodate dietary choices, particularly when they're not expensive to implement.
Vegan is normal enough. You didn't have to look it up, did you? You've probably actually met a vegan even. Is it 'normal' in society to not allow people to be vegan? Is it normal not to permit dietary choices for moral or religious reasons (such as kosher or halal)? No, that is not normal.
As for the rest, in addition to people who have not yet been convicted of any crime, there are people who were wrongly convicted or who took a plea in the face of insurmountable odds against them in spite of innocence.
Then there's the idea of taking someone who has shown an unfortunate tendency to give up on morals over practical concerns and bullying them into sacrificing what little moral convictions they have left for more practicality. Surely this will teach them how much society values moral conviction...
They should probably go to medium security or even minimum security facilities like the other white collar criminals.
OTOH, a prison serving Alpo and maggots every night while laughing about your "fancy pants USDA approved diet" might be going a bit far, don't you think?
OTOH, it's not like omnivores cannot also eat vegan dishes (and even enjoy them), so they can still get the benefit of scale if they prepare a vegan side dish for everyone and let the actual vegans have it as the main course.
And reducing to the absurd, is it OK for the prison to cook and serve recipients of the death penalty to the other prisoners? If not, then the prisoners have at least some rights WRT diet.
Moving back to the real world, does a person with a potentially fatal reaction to peanuts have a right to a nut free environment? There's some further rights in diet.
Note that some vegetarians and vegans actually will get sick if they eat meat. Probably not fatally so, but it might be quite painful and incapacitating. Surely that should suggest further rights WRT diet.
Now, lets consider harmless to most but disgusting. Is it OK for the prison to serve a can of dog food in a bowl for dinner? Probably not though I acknowledge that some sickos (who probably belong in prison) think that would be funny (as long as they aren't in prison).
Given that the source is the mother (since it is rare for strangers to visit the fetus in the womb...) it is reasonably described as heritable.
Well they have to do something to maintain that minty fresh Aryan Übermensch glow! They're not allowed to shit on black people and women anymore!
Given that you felt driven to reply with an insult that amounts to fighting words a week after the conversation was over, it seems you do feel you have something to prove. What that may be, I don't know.
Your latest link is a bit weak even from an apologist standpoint. But I'll just leave it at that.
It was YOUR reference. If there is one that shows YOUR point rather than mine, feel free to present it.
Let's see what linus said about it, it's easy to do when a quote from hin is one post up from the end one:/p>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
+Paul Morgan I think what you (and others) seem to miss is that the systemd people made the "debug" option that we introduced not just do something - but do something useless that actively broke other peoples use of that option.
It doesn't matter who "owns" it, the fact is, they broke it.
Ok, fine. Bugs happen, and that's not what makes people upset.
What makes me (and others) upset is that when the bug is reported, with explanations and a suggestion for how to fix it, Kay just closed the bug-report, claiming it wasn't a bug.
Seriously? You want to debug kernel stuff, using the kernel command line command "debug" that makes the kernel more verbose, and now the systemd people say "sorry, we stole your thing and made it useless, and it's not a bug because you didn't call shot-gun".
Now, if this was an isolated incident, I personally would let it go. There are bad engineers out there, it's not worth worrying about. Ignore them and move on.
But this is not an isolated incident. This is how Kay has treated other bugs in the past. Literally months of stalling, closing bug-reports, and blaming other people and projects for problems that he caused, telling others how they should change their projects because he broke something, and obviously it can't be his fault.
And that is a problem.
You REALLY should read things before you claim they support your position. Now you leave the impression you were dropped on your head.
It's not an issue. If APIs can't be copyrighted, that leaves the vendor of a proprietary driver free to implement their very own kernel that has exactly the API and ABI of the linux kernel but exports that ABI to proprietary drivers. I'll just wish them good luck with that.
WOW, REALLY?!? Completely refuting your claim (an inflammatory claim that I am a liar, which would get your face punched in some places) and you claim cherrypicking? Do you always spew such partially liquefied bull crap from your mouth?
You're also apparently too stupoid to read your own damned link to the end to make sure it doesn't make an ass of you.
You're full of shit and raised by wolves. You likely attract flies. Begone! Quit stinking the place up!
There is a liar but it isn't me. Look at the bottom of the page:
Lennart Poettering 2014-05-24 08:38:07 UTC
systemd in git since a while will turn its debug output on if the kernel command line cotnains "debug", this will stay that way. However, it has been changed to not dump things to kmsg as soon as the journal is up. Up to that point we will still dump things to kmsg howerver, since there's no other nice place to put this.
Closing.
In other words, he claims resolved fixed but the action (not) taken was actually wontfix notabug
I will accept your sincere apology now...
Honestly, if you will contemplate why I would applaud the moves uselessd has taken and why I might consider it to be correct even while the project it forked is wrong, you may gain enlightenment. Your entire view of how a system works will change in ways that will leave you unable tyo imagine why you couldn't see it in it's simplicioty before.
Your choice.
I have to agree. While an attempt to weasel around the last argument might be interesting, ironic, and prove my point, I await it primarily for entertainment purposes.
You left out a gratuitous replacement for ntpd that depends on systemd, logind which depends on systemd (or did until it was hacked), the dhcpcd that depends on systemd, Gnome depending on logind that depends on systemd, etc. Need I go on? All that for a supposed process manager?
Of course, if X screws up, you don't get stuck with a system that can't boot. You get a console that works that you can use to fix the thing.
As for the modularity, where is it with systemd? Where is the replaceable zombie reaper? Deciding I want init to start the system but systemd to monitor processes? Don't fancy journald but want process management? X allows me to mix and match to that granularity easily.
I don't claim perfection for X but the fundamental idea is very much appropriate to Unix. It has had a problem with barnacles since then which may be what you were seeing complaints about.
Believe me, I know computers are more complex now. 20 years ago you didn't have to initialize the RAM chips before memory started working. But I see nothing there that suggests abandoning a successful design paradigm.
In fact, personally I am happy to see some elements of plan9 showing up.
Speaking of idiots...
Diet has a 0% cure rate for type I (which they are talking about) and isn't nearly as effective as you seem to think for type II.
That is unknown for now. We don't know everything about the autoimmune reaction that destroys the beta cells in the first place.
IF and it is an if, the autoimmune reaction is simply the starting trigger and the destruction is sustained by other follow-on effects, this might actually cure or lessen the disease in people who have been affected for a while.
The thing is, the induced type I in mice is a very limited model, so all they can say for sure is that there is reason to believe it might be of some benefit to some patients.
Actually, it can be even worse. Unlike heroine addicts who can (from a medical standpoint) choose never to self-inject anything again, type II diabetics don't have the option of just not eating anything ever again.