I would have it quit corrupting log files. Either use a decent transaction mechanism or go back to appending text files where bits of corruption can generally be dealt with sanely.
I thought I might avoid writing a novel length answer tyhat way. If you are unable to follow my references to well understood principles that are violated by systemd, that's not my problem. I'm not going to spoon feed you.
I certainly don't disagree, I just point out that the Libertarian party platform won't accommodate that (and, even seems to have forgotten that corporate charters are an unwarranted government interference). Unfortunately, the word has been diluted until it can mean anything from New Feudalism to anarchy, Tea Party, and anything in-between.
In other words, you present yourself as the arbiter of my free speech and presume to understand my thoughts on the subject even though you haven't actually heard them?
Of course, I notice that he lumps in people who talk about not using systemd in the same paragraph as people trying to crowdsource a hit. I presume you're fine with that. Surely that is the height of sophistication and maturity.
Given that, I suspect much of that 'hate mail' is suggestions about how systemd should deviate from his master plan.
For Free Market Capitalism to work as a system there have to be high taxes on the most rich and/or on vast estates as a way to periodically re-level the playing field and keep some equity in the system.
That may be libertarian, but it is the opposite of what the Libertarians propose. If you are indeed left libertarian, you should probably specify to avoid being mistaken for a Libertarian.
This is an exceptionally difficult case, though note that there is a project (uselessd) to essentially redesign systemd properly. I am also considering Slackware. It remains possible to do. That just makes Poettering a gigantic pain in the ass.
It's a shame really. If he had just put it out there as something to build on, some of the ideas could have been neatly adopted without all the acrimony.
The message I replied to was flippantly suggesting I just create my own distro.
Switching to Slack or Gentoo would naturally be less work, but it would take longer than a lunch break to make the switch on a server and make sure it's ready to go.
Speaking of Slackware, it's situation is telling. No desire whatsoever to switch to systemd but with caveat that it may one day become impractical to continue resting. That sure sounds like there is a coercive element to all of this.
Based on the amount of hate mail LP is getting, it may well be that a vocal minority DID decide everything and now the silent majority would like it's say.
Even better though would be to make the necessary changes that would allow systemd to co-exist as an option. Personally, I will happily forego both systemd and Gnome 3.
Personally, I'm giving uselessd a good look now. There may yet BE a fork, which will make LP the asshole that caused a whole lot of people a whole lot of work that shouldn't have been needed.
For one, they never needed the dependency before. Then there's the KISS principle. Then there's the Unix way. Next up, it's not nice to leave people high and dry just because systemd won't run on their platform.
Of course, Gnome hasn't exactly endeared itself to the community lately.
They can be more flexible about it even without more money. They don't HAVE to threaten with arrest right off the bat. They could not make you wait until after business hours the night before to find out if you will or will not be needed. They could provide enough chairs for everyone to sit. They could avoid calling some people every year and some never. They could waive the parking fee. Instead of arresting people who can't get there, they could give them a lift (don't tell me they don't have the resources, if they can give you a lift to jail, they can give you a lift to the courthouse).
For that matter, they could make it illegal to cut your hours or fire you if you have jury duty AND enforce it.
And, of course, they could not charge so many people with victimless nonviolent drug charges so they wouldn't need so many jurors.
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Not really. They can cut off 100% of your income suddenly and at a whim. I'll bet you cannot cut off 100% of their productivity at a whim, can you?
Yes, both extremes are bad.
Exactly. There's the old favorite "just not a team player" (employee of the year awards notwithstanding).
I would have it quit corrupting log files. Either use a decent transaction mechanism or go back to appending text files where bits of corruption can generally be dealt with sanely.
I thought I might avoid writing a novel length answer tyhat way. If you are unable to follow my references to well understood principles that are violated by systemd, that's not my problem. I'm not going to spoon feed you.
I certainly don't disagree, I just point out that the Libertarian party platform won't accommodate that (and, even seems to have forgotten that corporate charters are an unwarranted government interference). Unfortunately, the word has been diluted until it can mean anything from New Feudalism to anarchy, Tea Party, and anything in-between.
The tons more work still required to replace the divot some rude asshole left in the fairway.
In other words, you present yourself as the arbiter of my free speech and presume to understand my thoughts on the subject even though you haven't actually heard them?
Of course, I notice that he lumps in people who talk about not using systemd in the same paragraph as people trying to crowdsource a hit. I presume you're fine with that. Surely that is the height of sophistication and maturity.
Given that, I suspect much of that 'hate mail' is suggestions about how systemd should deviate from his master plan.
So I have the right to express my opinion as long as I'm make sure to do it behind his back?
For Free Market Capitalism to work as a system there have to be high taxes on the most rich and/or on vast estates as a way to periodically re-level the playing field and keep some equity in the system.
That may be libertarian, but it is the opposite of what the Libertarians propose. If you are indeed left libertarian, you should probably specify to avoid being mistaken for a Libertarian.
Sure he does. He simply projected the situation out to it's natural conclusion.
So you're claiming that while I do the install and testing I have no right to curse the cause of the extra work?
What do you think Mate, Cinnimon, and Uselessd are?
This is an exceptionally difficult case, though note that there is a project (uselessd) to essentially redesign systemd properly. I am also considering Slackware. It remains possible to do. That just makes Poettering a gigantic pain in the ass.
It's a shame really. If he had just put it out there as something to build on, some of the ideas could have been neatly adopted without all the acrimony.
The message I replied to was flippantly suggesting I just create my own distro.
Switching to Slack or Gentoo would naturally be less work, but it would take longer than a lunch break to make the switch on a server and make sure it's ready to go.
Speaking of Slackware, it's situation is telling. No desire whatsoever to switch to systemd but with caveat that it may one day become impractical to continue resting. That sure sounds like there is a coercive element to all of this.
That's a pretty big wontfix after all the blather about how great binary logs are.
I agree. Those people crossed the line.
Been there, done that. Where do you think all those crazy Middle Easterners got all their weapons in the first place?
Based on the amount of hate mail LP is getting, it may well be that a vocal minority DID decide everything and now the silent majority would like it's say.
Even better though would be to make the necessary changes that would allow systemd to co-exist as an option. Personally, I will happily forego both systemd and Gnome 3.
Personally, I'm giving uselessd a good look now. There may yet BE a fork, which will make LP the asshole that caused a whole lot of people a whole lot of work that shouldn't have been needed.
For one, they never needed the dependency before. Then there's the KISS principle. Then there's the Unix way. Next up, it's not nice to leave people high and dry just because systemd won't run on their platform.
Of course, Gnome hasn't exactly endeared itself to the community lately.
What's sad is if you use political maneuvering to get it selected.
They can be more flexible about it even without more money. They don't HAVE to threaten with arrest right off the bat. They could not make you wait until after business hours the night before to find out if you will or will not be needed. They could provide enough chairs for everyone to sit. They could avoid calling some people every year and some never. They could waive the parking fee. Instead of arresting people who can't get there, they could give them a lift (don't tell me they don't have the resources, if they can give you a lift to jail, they can give you a lift to the courthouse).
For that matter, they could make it illegal to cut your hours or fire you if you have jury duty AND enforce it.
And, of course, they could not charge so many people with victimless nonviolent drug charges so they wouldn't need so many jurors.
Close, but he did have some help and the backing of RedHat.
So you figure I can just spin up a new distro over my lunch break, do you?