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Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In"
An anonymous reader writes "Free software programmer Lennart Poettering has been part of his fair share of controversy in the open source community, and his latest essay may raise the most eyebrows yet. Poettering takes on the idea that the community is one big happy family and has some harsh words for the loudest and most obnoxious members. He says in part: "I don't usually talk about this too much, and hence I figure that people are really not aware of this, but yes, the Open Source community is full of a#@&oles, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets. I get hate mail for hacking on Open Source. People have started multiple 'petitions' on petition web sites, asking me to stop working (google for it). Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!). Just the other day, some idiot posted a 'song' on youtube, a creepy work, filled with expletives about me and suggestions of violence. People post websites about boycotting my projects, containing pretty personal attacks. On IRC, people /msg me sometimes, with nasty messages, and references to artwork in 4chan style. And there's more. A lot more."
Lennart is 110% correct, but the rampant, mostly unjustified hatred of systemd is going to discredit what he says.
What am I kidding? The "open source" community stopped caring about the effects of their actions years ago. Much easier to just insult Microsoft (with added dollar signs) than worry about your own problems.
"And that's all about this topic from me. I have no intentions to ever talk about this again on a public forum." -- LP ... throws bombs at Linus, generalizes, brings race and culture in as pejoratives ... his post is as well written as systemd
This happens online a lot. It's bad, it's stupid, most of us oppose it, but as GamerGate shows, it can do real harm.
I'm lost.. Does Slashdot truly care?
If you've done something to earn that much hate, maybe you ought to take a step back and re-evaluate your position.
Just look at this wack job called Linus.
In a commercial setting, we scream at the first level tech about how stupid they are and that we don't want to waste the next 30 minutes of our time following your brainless script and can we skip you and go straight to second tier?
In open source, the developer is the first tier, second tier, and everyone else. Your screaming goes straight to the top.
He deserves to work for Microsoft.
"yes, the Open Source community is full of a#@&oles"
"Not everybody in the Linux community is like this, the vast majority isn't. "
If the majority of people aren't assholes and, presumably, don't enjoy this treatment, why do they keep the assholes around? If the community is full of assholes, then why do you expect them to change?
Fork. Either the vast majority of people who hate those assholes will come with you, or nobody will and you'll have proof that the community is full of assholes or people who like having them around and you're better off without either of them.
The same abusive jerk has been after me too. Through some savvy detective work, I figured out his real first name: "Linus"
As soon as I determine his last name I'm going to lay down some serious vengeance upon his ass!
people /msg me sometimes, with nasty messages, and references to artwork in 4chan style. And there's more. A lot more.
I know how you feel, 4chan has destroyed much more than open source, it has destroyed my entire peaceful suburban neighborhood, now my neighbor has decorated his little car with a HUGE Pedo Bear decal all over the car, and no one so far - have reacted to this.
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
Len,
In any subgroup of humans, be they white, black, brown, yellow, blonde, green, Microsoft, Apple, OpenSource, martian...
There will always be some really nasty people. There are people who are absolutely certain that they are right and evidence be damned. There are people who think that you should defer to them because of their superior intellect, good looks, buff muscles, ancestry, even who they think think they know. These days, there are people who sincerely believe that they have God's 800 number.
I've since learned that regardless of how smart, fast, clever, treacherous, blah blah, there will always be someone who is better at it than I am.
I still participate, because I can contribute towards a whole that is greater than I am, and for that matter, greater than they are. I'm not a theist, but the great body of knowledge that genus Homo has accumulated is bigger and better than all of us individually, and in spite of that, or maybe because of that, each of us can contribute our part towards making it better still.
I've learned to tell those people, "If you don't like he way I am doing it, fork you." (sic) Time will tell if you are right or we are right. Like any species, there are innumerable forks, and some will prosper, and some will not. Time will judge.
Don't take life too seriously; it isn't permanent.
Who is this guy, and why are his Google+ status messages frontpage-worthy?
And I already kinda hate you the summary.
People don't like other people for a whole slew of mostly stupid reasons.
You internet presence causes a lot of those non-verbal cues to get left out. We often say a lot of things, but not all things are weighted equally.
If one would say they are for Gun Rights and Anti-Abortion you could think that they are a right wing nut-job. But if you get the non-verbal communications you may find out that the person is actually far more liberal on most issues except for say those too.
A lot of people have a hard time with gray zones anyways, so they can't really get how a person can have a complex relationship between topics and still be in a particular camp.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Build your own community
I haven't like the changes he's caused in Linux, but none of those things are the way one should deal with it. If you don't like where Linux is going, fork things and make it the way you like. These types of actions you'd expect from people with no discernible skills to be able to contribute. If you have skill to contribute, put the work in, if you don't have skills, put some work in and gain them.
He's just butt-hurt that Gentoo won't make systemd it's default init manager.
Buck Feta. You know what to do.
Most of what he's complaining about is undeserved (hiring a hit on him, WTF?) but he's not exactly known to be very diplomatic in his communications. He is, with a heavy hand, changing the fundamental landscape of a lot of people's favorite OS. This is upsetting people, in a big way in some cases. Again, constructive criticism is the way to handle dislike of systemd and his other projects, not death threats or even simple, juvenile insults.
But he shares some of the blame when it comes to the vitriolic nature of systemd discussions. He can't just brush off a large percentage of the community and not expect people to get upset.
What blows my mind is that every single major distribution seems to be hopping on the systemd bandwagon. I'm looking squarely at Debian. The short time systemd (relatively speaking) has been around and has been worked on and debugged does not justify it's inclusion in a system that's known for stability and correctness over latest/greatest.
Oh well, for me it was the kick in the head I needed to finally getting around to 100% embracing *BSD as a server system and not as something to play around with in my free time.
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Well, as someone who seems to pride himself on being unconventional and breaking the status quo, you would think he would understand the position HE put HIMSELF in.
This happens everywhere, I architect'd some stuff for a company using SQL Server and SSRS that was almost free, others in the organization wanted to continue using DB2 and Cognos for millions more $$. Do you really think I had an easy time? I had subtle threats, and plenty of well connected people trying to get rid of me.
So what? If you can't take the heat, keep with convention!
this thread just shows that when you complain about bein trolled on the web, the real trollin starts.
You can't be neutral here....
Neutral people aren't the ones getting flack......
YOU came in and wrecked OUR init system. We tried telling you we didn't want it. Still you persevere.
Back when I did development using libMicroHttpd (a C-library for an embeddable webserver) I was finding code snippets while googling with libmicrohttpd inside of systemd repositories. I realized without even looking at SystemD that it was retarded to put a freaking embedded webserver inside the init system..... You really think there's no vulnerabilities in that library?
All I wanted is to avoid using stuff that has no track record of security or audits. I don't want to just "trust you". But you ran and got your stinking pile integrated with RedHat which means now all my C++ code in linux has to account for your stupid init system because RedHat is everywhere and I always find new clients using it.
So now thanks to you, I have to start working on migrating big fortune 10 customers off of RedHat because frankly I'm going to refuse to support it moving forward. Not from thinkheaded people who PUT WEBSERVERS INTO THE INIT SYSTEM! Do I even need to say more?
We want you to quit trashing things we all love and share. SystemD folks have this idea that I'm wrong if I don't want to change everything I have documented and validated on MISSION CRITICAL systems that literally dictate life or death in some circumstances. But you are happy to come in and throw 20 features I never wanted but now are liabilities.
Also I am a Gentoo user as a developer and even though I use OpenRC I recently had to rebuild a Gentoo box due to @world updates pulling in systemd so you've personally fucked me on an OS that doesn't even run systemd by default. That was YOUR fault. Thanks.
For that I can clearly say FUCK YOU.
Go easy man - those doing that to you are unskilled little wannabes, nothing more.
That's all I've got to say to the guy that wrote that crap to & about you (other than Linus T., whose style I actually LIKE & RESPECT - there's no political correct bullshit involved in it that's why, & IF you get it from him? You'd only have to PROVE HIM WRONG, conclusively - he'd eat it & shut up):
So, I suppose it all boils down to this (regarding your detractors):
Consider the source (those doing the crap you noted Lennart)!
Hey - Happens to me HERE on /. ALL THE TIME (lol, well, quite a lot) http://news.slashdot.org/comme... calling me a pedo, saying I ought to be hanged etc. from "trolls" (worms is more like it that post by ac since I've obviously ANNIHILATED them before with logic &/or facts - so that's all they have - showing us all they're effete punks).
* So, do I *like* it? No - NOBODY likes to be libeled, after all...
Still, however, it helps me prove a point: That THAT type of crap directed MY WAY by those doing it means that's "The best they've got" (which ain't much)...
APK
P.S.=> Source of that type of crap that occurs for me here QUITE A LOT? (e.g./i.e. from the link above, in calling me a pedophile etc. & that I like to rape children, all lies/false bullshit from some PUNY WORM, lol)?
It was merely due to my posting on the efficacy of hosts + their superiority over competing "so-called 'solutions'" that suck in "Almost ALL Ads Blocked", here on downwards http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
(Where all I did was post facts - ones SO well thought-out, that libeling me is the BEST my "detractors/naysayers" have - which prove MY points solid & unassailable... & THAT? Is all I need to know, & the trolls' effete "reactions" show it & prove that to me)... apk
Please RTFA, he is saying people even make life threats. Tell me, how making your own community makes you immune to threat from people in other communities? Does Red Hat not have it's own community and it fights with Ubuntu people sometimes? Aren't religions different communities, yet you see extremists from one community do horrible things to others because they are NOT of their community? It's not a thing of "I want to be married by church but they don't accept gay marriage", it's "The KKK burned down my house because I kissed my significant other in the park".
This post has been a long time in the making, as Leonart is easily the most hated programmer in Free software, despite being one of the more competant and forward thinking of the bunch, he pulls a disproporiate amount of hate until he has become a running joke. Most of his haters are misguided luddites who are too obessed with the past, and cannot look towards the future.
I am supprised we haven't seen anything like this previous, and I don't know how the man deals with just being leonart poettering.
And this individual is obviously one of the worst! I was not familiar with the name before this, but am familiar with the projects he has worked on. Linus may have his temper, but he has good intentions, and is usually right when he does yell at someone! Poettering just rants. I don't advocate physical violence against anyone for any reason, even him. I have NEVER heard of physical threats against ANYONE in the Free software/Open source community until now. If he has been threatened, he brought this upon himself.
"I have no intentions to ever talk about this again on a public forum." Thank goodness for this!!! ;^)
If he feels this stongly against Linux, and the Open Source community, then perhaps he should leave Red Hat and move to Redmond Washington. He might be happier working for a certain company located there! ;^) I am glad I don't work for Red Hat, and don't have to deal with him, or listen to his rants on a daily basis, as I expect some have to endure.
for the same reason I stopped publishing updates to my project in 2008.
This is entirely to do with breaking something popular; something that worked well. In truth I think pulseaudio is wonderful...but I haven't forgotten the breakages for many, even if the fault laid elsewhere(Ubuntu and Audio) drivers. I am pretty ambivalent about systemd, but I understand why *faster* startup is important. Overall my experience is better for Lennart, but again this is not about Open source, but major changes/regressions for little gains...worthwhile only historically. It pisses people off.
This really raises questions why Apple under Jobs an obvious competitor can release irreparably faulty(Antergate,Bendgate...a little thanks to Verge, Camera problems) buggy products and have it defended, Releasing Buggy/Incomplete Products(Maps/iOS8) or even slowing down products that worked to unworkable(every version of iOS on every iPhone)
Maybe the real problem is Marketing or transparency or community involvement whatever stops the users(Developers) feeling helpless (Jobs would smile in a turtleneck and say you don't want those droids) to being forced to suffer major inconveniences. I object to Lennart kicking back at what seems like an ungrateful community(sic), but really its a cry for support in an area he (and Mr Cook) don't have.
That said what a man.
it's people in general. Anyone remotely famous gets plenty of "internet abuse". It's a side effect of being known. Politicians? check. CEOs? check. Bankers? check. Celebrities? check. Religious leaders? check. Reporters? check. Whistleblowers? check.
He's better than you in every way. You agree.
"The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days."
What is it with these social "justice" warrior types? It's like a massive campaign lately. Everywhere you have people demonizing "white cis shitlords". Ironically it's usually white males that complain, and they get proven wrong again and again.
Hey now! This is /., the only suckage you're allowed to discuss is /.beta
Dearest Lennart,
You can always go to work for those who adore your thinking - Microsoft and Google.
If it looks like the whole world is hurling itself against you? Maybe your headed the wrong direction into oncoming traffic.
I don't excuse boorishness or violence - but Linus and Alan Cox never got this level of treatment. Not even Hans Reiser for his obtuseness, nor Bruce Perens for his ability to scrap in an argument.
Look at the problem in the mirror. Before your friends need to call an intervention.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
He's defiling everything we hold dear.
Are you sure he doesn't work for Microsoft?
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
UNIX, and Linux, were designed with the concept that the hardware configuration was static during operation. So "startup" and "configuration" occured at the same time. Now that many peripherals hot-plug, that model is obsolete. Many people find it painful to switch to an "everything is dynamic" model, especially since, for many server applications, there is no hot-plugging.
Hence the unhappiness with a redesign.
This is a more general problem with UNIX/Linux. Many programs are designed on the assumption that they read a static configuration file in text format, and will be restarted if the configuration changes. Various hacks have been added to some programs to allow dynamic reconfiguration (often involving sending a signal to the process to tell it to re-read a text file). Real dynamic configuration models usually involve storing the configuration in a database, which a lot of UNIX/Linux types don't like.
Troll dev complaining when he gets trolled?
I do not take people's word for it when they claim serious things like getting actual valid death threats online. If you have one the first thing the police tell you to do is shut up about it in public forums least you scare away the person before they catch them.
calling for a boycot of some software that he wrote is a reasonable thing to do.
the 'song' posted on lkml is not.
I hope the FBI is all over the site trying to collect bitcoins to hire a hitman as that crosses over to outright illegal actions
But by putting it all in one list, LP is trying to make it so that anyone disagreeing with him is lumped in with the people attempting murder. That's also not an acceptable way to engage with those that you disagree with.
David Lang
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Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In"
You've made your bed, now lay in it.
This is amazing well said. Great post.
I was with him until he went on his rant about the demographics of the Linux community. Seriously? Lennart, you sir, are a buffoon of the highest order. GFY.
Open source software is primarily about ego, and Lennart is pushing a viewpoint through his creations that he's a player in this space. By the same token he also believes that he's better than Linus, hence the critique and comment that you don't live up to my standards. On the flip side Lennart could make some consessions himself, the thing that blows my goat is binary logging in systemd, given that he's generally demonstrated that he refuses to compromise why should others listen to his complaints which essentially boils down to "I don't like your style".
Lennart is essentially driving a view which has had an impact on the kernel and has been on the recieving end of some criticism and he finds this uncomfortable, the name calling is not the part of Linus' style that he finds most unsetting, its the direct nature of the outting relating to specific issues which have made Lennart complain about Linus's manners.
ps I think that both individual have provided some great software and deserve kudos but I think that one of them may fall from grace
Let me get this straight.
You Run Red Hat. RH changes version to use a different module for X reason. You don't trust X module. Then the X developer is at fault for RedHat's decision. People bitch at the developer for RH decision. RH doesn't go back to the old one. Not going back is the developer's fault. Am I getting this right?
Each time I see the phrase "Mission Critical", I doubt it is what people think it is. When I hear a new package update or kernel/distro version breaks it, then I start thinking someone doesn't take into account when a box says "Handle with care".
So, Gentoo's packages depending suddenly of a third party is the third party's fault? I didn't like udev being merged into systemd made udev standalone stop being updated and gnome starting to depend on systemd directly. but do you know who I blame? GNOME and udev decition-makers for going to Poettering's init, not Lennart's module. THIS is when people should say "If you don't like it, fork it" and just do without the dependency.
"Lennart, I knew Hans Reiser. Hans Reiser was a friend of mine. Lennart Poettering, you're no Hans Reiser."
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Dearest Copernicus, [...]
This happens online a lot. It's bad, it's stupid, most of us oppose it, but as GamerGate shows, it can do real harm.
This is nothing Like GamerGate which was as much about an educated woman calling a routinely demonised group a bunch of cunts...over and over again with a convoluted version of feminism for money championed by the verge...again.(There was some shit about that woman making a game about depression(Good for her) that got maybe more credit than it deserved, which I am really not sure about(Game about depression even if like a simple choice game is cool) and a sex scandal which I love...but nobody got and clearly by my description neither did I).
This is about making changes to the OS that are viewed as unpopular...ribbonbar, real names in youtube, removing reatures from nautilus. Gnome Shell, the list is endless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0
You screw with someone's project, even as a legit security researcher,. and you'll find out that a lot of volunteers in the projects are petty, angry, antisocial morons who do stupid shit like this. Then there's the irrational MS haters who make Apple fanboys look calm by comparison. Then there's the normal, stable, polite programmers like me that stay the hell away from open source because of the afore mentioned assholes.
Complain to your distributions!
When someone writes open source software, it is always take it or leave it. Systemd was taken up, because it was the better solution for distros.
Why on earth would you complain about someone adding another choice? Complain about the people not writing alternative packages!
NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
I am application developer...
the Open Source community is full of a#@&oles, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets.
So he's a troll who specializes in trolling trolls. Why are we feeding him?
Do Not Feed The Trolls
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Here in this video you can see how LP (half drunk) is attacking people in the public.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0
Unfortunately this happens everywhere. In small businesses that work together, within large enterprise businesses, and yes, also in open source communities. There are always (too) many people that only think about their own gain, their own power over others, their own little kingdom, their own personal interest... And even though this is a minority of people, this can poison the work atmosphere for everybody. You need quite a bit of strong leadership to get a culture where this is not accepted. And again, that is no different for a small business, a large business or an open source project. The anonymity of internet communication might make this even worse (said the anonymous coward).
If one would say they are for Gun Rights and Anti-Abortion you could think that they are a right wing nut-job.
That and polarized topics are such that someone can paint even a moderate view as extremist. I'm anti-abortion and pro-choice. They are orthogonal. Some people think that abortion is a valid contraception method, to be used casually (see the abortion rates and stats from the Soviet Union). Others would wish that nobody needed one, but so long as they are needed, they should be legal. They are pro-choice and anti-abortion. The "pro-life" group is anti-choice. Anti-abortion could fit a description of people from both sides.
Same as gun rights. You can paint any opinion, even a middle one, as extremist, if you are a lying douchbag, and so many arguing those points are.
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They're being mean to me and I don't like it!
Well, boo hoo!
Because there's always BSD to fall back on. Just keep Poettering away from that.
On the other hand, if systemd kills Gnome, LP will be my hero. Sneaky bastard. Was that your evil plan all along Lennart? Can you take Wayland down with it while you are at it?
Linux has always offered choices. No Gnome or Wayland being two that I have selected. Even if the majority of the casual users go with hairballd, sorry, systemd, I have one foot out the door already. Whether its a door to an alternate Linux distro or FreeBSD, I can live with either.
I don't excuse boorishness or violence - but Linus and Alan Cox never got this level of treatment. Not even Hans Reiser for his obtuseness, nor Bruce Perens for his ability to scrap in an argument.
How do you know? Do you read their e-mail? Do you monitor their IRC chats? Do you compare the feedback they get compared to other open-source contributors?
Your entire argument hinges on the fact that people rarely share the feedback they get publicly, which is my point. If Alan Cox got anthrax sent to him in the mail so often his mail is now screened beforehand but he never told the public, how would you ever know?
"Lennart, I knew Hans Reiser. Hans Reiser was a friend of mine. Lennart Poettering, you're no Hans Reiser."
For those that don't get the above: ... Reiser was convicted of the first degree murder of his wife, Nina Reiser, who disappeared in September 2006. He subsequently pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of second-degree murder, as part of a settlement agreement that included disclosing the location of his wife's body, revealed to be in a shallow grave near the couple's home."
"Hans Thomas Reiser is an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, and convicted murderer. He is the creator and primary developer of the ReiserFS computer file system, which is contained within the Linux kernel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
Or, in car analogy terms:
If one guy tailgates you and then passes you on the right, he's an asshole.
If 50 people tailgate you and then pass you on the right, take a goddamn hint.
William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
This guy's victim routine doesn't sound that much different than the anti-gamergate and atheism plus crowd. let's compare..(replying to his full google+ post)
1. Pretending to misunderstand hyperbole as legitimate threats. (the 'fandom' song he mentioned, and his statements about comments made by linus).
2. Labeling criticism of his effort as a systemwide cultural problem (implying all OSS devs are assholes, and he can't even bring himself to type out the word for fear of being 'offensive'). Then later he types out 'fuck'. Go figure..
3. Many appeals to political correctness; the main argument being that the OSS culture survived in spite of the targeted behavior as opposed to because of it.
4. He targets the gentoo community specifically. Of course, it's one of the only distributions that still gives users a choice in whether to use his software stack, so he labels them all as 'haters.' Again, par for the course in 'social justice' circles.
5. Attack on the internet community as a whole. Lots of groups like to do this now. I think the main reason for this is part of an increased trend against anonymous speech, mainly by people with poor arguments who feel first and (maybe) think later, and by those with something to gain or hypocrisy to hide. It's just more generalization, which is ironic considering that generalization is usually one of the behaviors they accuse people of.
6. Finally, he attacks straight white males, which he acknowledges he is, but then makes implicit and explicit appeals of "I'm not like the others, I'm a victim of them, so help me fight the evil horde!." His whole piece is evidence to the contrary.
Again these closely parallel the behavior of the social 'justice' warriors targeting the atheism and gaming communities. Like them, I suspect that poettering is trying to hide from criticism by calling himself a victim. Don't let him. Linus is correct in booting these people out (or at least putting them in their places) before they gain momentum. They are parasites who sap resources away from the original goal and refocus them towards building hugboxes and/or political platforms. Communities that cultivate the dynamics poettering takes issue with is what keeps these groupthink hugboxes from metastasizing into forces that block the objective (technical) truth for the sake of feelings, whether this groupthink spawns naturally or is fostered by people with agendas hungry for resources and control of the zeitgeist.
It sounds like you're looking for the Assassination Market (assmkedzgorodn7o.onion), but it seems to be down right now.
I am not a big fan of systemd and I find Poettering pretty abrasive. But if what he wrote is correct: Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!). Just the other day, some idiot posted a "song" on youtube, a creepy work, filled with expletives about me and suggestions of violence. then that's beyond the pale. IMO, threats of death and violence should be reported to the authorities and the culprits, if found, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
The Open Source development community is not a friendly place. You do need a thick skin. But threats of violence or death go way beyond just "unfriendly".
Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!). Just the other day, some idiot posted a 'song' on youtube, a creepy work, filled with expletives about me and suggestions of violence. People post websites about boycotting my projects, containing pretty personal attacks. On IRC, people /msg me sometimes, with nasty messages
None of that can possibly be true. We're told that only women are the victims of this sort of stuff on the internet and that the threats are always real and that it is only because they have boobies, because men are evil misogynists rutting in this rape-culture of ours. Surely, if this stuff is actually happening, the internet and social justice warriors everywhere would be flooding the internet with articles and tweets about this horrible scary stuff happening to this person, right?
I mean.... unless.... this person doesn't possess the proper gender for those hypocrites to care about...?
I've felt the same way- I've never thought to try to articulate it though. Kudos.
Oh wait, Lennart is a guy. Carry on.
Welcome to the club. Here's your name tag and membership card.
Have gnu, will travel.
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While things can change over time, this does not justify change for changes sake, especially when the problems being solved haven't changed much, and solutions you've already provided work quite well already. This is a lot of what people are angry about. Focusing on their 'hate' speech and vitriol as 'the problem' just reframes the narrative away from the initial actions that triggered the response. I guess developers like poettering decided they don't need user respect and let their egos drive development. That's ok as it's their software, time, and energy, but they don't get to demand respect from others or silence their expression.
I don't think anyone has said that recompiling the kernel in gentoo (or any other distro) makes one an expert kernel dev.
I don't excuse boorishness or violence - but Linus and Alan Cox never got this level of treatment. Not even Hans Reiser for his obtuseness
How about Hans Reiser for murdering his wife. Does that count as violence?
-- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
[ . . . ] Not even Hans Reiser [ . . . ]
Did you just . . .
It would be nice if in the future, you didn't imply that even convicted murderers are better than Lennart, or imply that the people trying to hire a hitman are in the right.
All Lennart does is write free/libre open source software, and you people hate him for it. No one is forcing you to use anything, go and use what you want, and let people scratch their own itches in peace, we don't need your stupid hate.
See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px .
Using the kernel command line to figure out what options systemd should use is kinda broken. This is just one example of Lennart Poettering going wrong and against developers of the kernel.
People treated slaves like objects and women like subhumans not that long ago - should the slaves just have done some self-reflection and realized that they were, in fact, objects and subhumans?
This kind of shit is never okay, regardless of who's involved. Don't get blinded by personal bias.
go work for Apple. Oh wait Apple wouldn't have you. Microsoft then.
Yeah I look forward to the day that happens.
Fun to watch all the low numbered /. ID's come out and complain about change.
Lennart isn't even a woman, so he obvisouly isn't harrassed in the tech community.
I have a hard time understanding why people don't get that death threats are never okay at the best of times and can be used as evidence in the worst.
"Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!).”
I call bullshit for two reasons:
1) If you know that someone is/was looking to hire a hitman, you’re already dead.
2) If you don’t know that someone is/was looking to hire a hitman, you’re already dead.
Everybody knows Hans Reiser. I'm impressed by the Dan Quayle connection: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."
throws bombs? as in threatening violence and harm? literally throwing exploding bombs? Of course not, but it sure sounds edgy what with actually threats of death being made. Linus is a big boy, why don't you let Linus worry about himself? What is wrong with you? How did you get so damaged AC?
That's how Lennart seems to work. Every software project he has had a major role in bringing to the world of open source embraces, extends, and extinguishes. He blames everything on everyone else. Now he cries about how the community is an ugly, nasty, brutish place to be. It just looks like Lennart spends all his time working to destroy open source software and discourage anyone else from contributing. Fuck Lennart.
There are many problems with Poettering and Sievers:
1) they don't seem to care care about the Community
2) they don't seem to want to interact with the Community
3) they don't seem to want to have a discussion about the many problems and concerns the Community has voiced about systemd
4) it takes no other than Linus himself to force Kay Sievers to get his act together and fix his crap (the "systemd kernel debug" story) and there's another one where Linus orders Sievers again to fix more crap (the "let's *not* read 1 byte at a time" story)
5) they make bad design decisions and consequently write bad software: let's do binary log files and too bad if your journal goes corrupt. We'll just delete it and move on. Given their employer, how is that anywhere near "Enterprise"?!
6) they ignore the Unix/Linux mantra: do one thing and do it well. Now go take a look at the systemd design and how massive that PID 1 kitchensink is. That's a SystemdOMGNucleairZombiesShock waiting to happen.
Why did Red Hat Engineering let it get to this? It's not like this story is beneficial to Red Hat in more than one way. Death threats are of course insane and have no place in our Community. However, the underlying frustration and anger because of their abrasive my-way-or-the-highway attitude and blatant disregard for the Community is hardly surprising. It would not be a bad idea for Red Hat Engineering to reassign Poettering, Sievers et al to work on projects that have no Community interaction nor impact or at least replace their current PHB with someone vastly more capable to reign in those ego's and put an end to this epic amount of Stupid.
He played most of the troll cards. He played the Anglo-Saxons are racist political social manipulation card. U.S. gender not enough females because card. Then he switched to 70s 80s stereotypes which only exist in feature films of that era: some social groups who lose face kill themselves. 1: the Anglo-Saxons are a minority group. 2: gender quotas in favour of women causes more harm than good. 3: in Japan they do and say things that would even embarrass the isolated toothless U.S. misfits. You only lose face in Japan. if you lose money to somebody else through a scam but even then people just pretend it never happened. The only true thing he wrote in that blog, was about Linux, users being socially inept losers shy retarded annoying socially awkward ginger headed cunts with cross eyes. What a happy family wife killers and shit steppers and nerdy lonely losers. Sounds just like a U.S. "soap opera". just saying cunts hope you don't mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
As if Beta is the only suckage here these days! AC don't get "preferences", just abuse from Dice ruled Slashdot developers. The clickable access for the "Classic Discussion System" for non-members disappeared before Beta got here and this variant of the non-Beta discussion system has gotten progressively worse in its functions while trying to browse comments with scripting off.
Now who would really want to sign up to become a member just to avoid having some of the shitty scripted behavior of a site thrown at them? Especially those us that have remained ACs here for so many years already? Many don't even come any more, some just to check out some of the articles linked elsewhere, some just to occasionally see if things have improved, and some are perhaps just masochists.
The hatred is mostly due to internet communities creating circle-jerks where some really retarded opinions get reinforced due to their mere popularity. People who have no idea what you're talking about think your comment is "insightful" just because it's marked as such, and adopt them as their own.
Yep, keep driving the speed limit and let the morons kill themselves.
This!
Or my favorite version:
If you meet an a**hole in the morning. You met an a**hole.
If you meet a**holes all day, you're the a**hole.
I call bullshit.
Solaris has had dynamic reconfiguration for years. USB is useful on many other systems (UNIXy) without systemd or binary databases. FreeBSD? Solaris/illumos? Hell, even Linux sans systemd.
systemd wants to control the "world", to ultimately become more important than the kernel. For some environments that's a sane or even good idea. But in general, it flies in the face of history and culture, and Lennart is on the receiving end.
But what's worse is the distros that have chosen to follow his world view. And worse, not just his world view, but his *approach*, which does not exactly invite collaboration or public comment. His approach has always been "I'm right, you're wrong, the rest of you can suck eggs". While the responses he's gotten are far far out of proportion, he did start by sowing this particular row.
Lennart can do a couple of things to make things better:
a) start being more collaborative
b) stop being an asshole himself
c) point out that distributions are making this choice, he's not forcing them to
Sadly, Linux truly isn't about collaboration. A few active developers get to drive the direction of the entire ecosystem. systemd is just the latest crime here -- hald? udev? come on. The fact is that people should stop trying to pretend that Linux is an enterprise grade OS backed by robust development principles -- parts of it are, but the collective *absolutely* is not. And systemd is one of the worst examples of that.
Everybody knows Hans Reiser. I'm impressed by the Dan Quayle connection: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."
No they don't, for the typical slashdot reader Hans is more of a Dan Quayle than a Jack Kennedy in terms of recognition.
Around the time when KDE4 was about to arrive there was a ton of criticism against basically everything about it.I was rather active on some of the pieces of both KDE and gnome back then, some of which also got their share of verbal abuse.
As a response to some of the criticism against the changes in KDE in general I wrote on Slashdot that I didn't think it would be Microsoft, Apple, lawsuits or anything of the sorts that poses any threat to Open Source as an "entity" that accomplishes things but the self-entitled part of the community itself. It may be that a big part of the developers are getting paid nowadays but it is supposed to work because if you just have the source making changes is supposed to be fun and releasing them is supposed to be appreciated by others. Let me assure you that the fun part wears thin pretty quickly when you are the target of not hundreds but thousands of people and it doesn't help that some people who actually know what is being done and why appreciate the effort compared to the amount of abuse.
Some people are commenting in this thread that you get criticism everywhere whatever you work on. Let me assure you that you don't know what you are talking about unless you have actually experienced it. People have gone as far as taking their own lives for a fraction of the garbage someone like Lennart probably faces daily.
Some are saying witty things like "If you can't take the heat...". Well, I couldn't. I stopped doing those things because I couldn't take it. I was never good enough or important enough for anyone to really notice but still.. maybe I could have eventually accomplished something genuinely important rather than just work in a more supportive role.
Open Source is supposed to be superior because you can not bound by corporate rules and conservative management but you can do whatever you want and then let people taking your stuff into use or not decide if it is good enough. That's the part that really bothered me with KDE for instance. If you don't like the changes, don't use them. But if we stop doing crazy stuff most of which is bad let's not pretend like the development model isn't just as bound by conservative group-think as any corporation. And thus doomed to fail and wither.
There is the sense of "he's getting what he deserves" in much of this thread. I don't think Lennart would have written what he did if he wasn't at least considering quitting the whole thing. It is not like he'll have trouble finding a new job even if people here seem to have real trouble understanding how rare people like him who can actually accomplish things are.
If he ends up quitting I am sure there will be celebrations and sense of accomplishment for some people. Those will be followed in a couple of years by more articles on Slashdot wondering why there are no more people working on the open source things anymore and why the kernel development is a couple of old geezers with puzzlement over why no young talented people are taking over things..
The reason is quite simple: You.
Or, in car analogy terms:
If one guy tailgates you and then passes you on the right, he's an asshole.
If 50 people tailgate you and then pass you on the right, take a goddamn hint.
That's the first car analogy that I've seen actually not be fallacious posted to /. Congrats!
I don't excuse boorishness or violence - but Linus and Alan Cox never got this level of treatment. Not even Hans Reiser for his obtuseness, nor Bruce Perens for his ability to scrap in an argument.
They are (or were in the case of Reiser) leaders in the community, Poettering is not is lambasted for going against the status quo. Just look at the abuse Torvalds dishes out and as a leader in the open source community his followers emulate him. I'm certainly not saying what Poettering does is any good but you can certainly see why open source has stagnated.
Being a part of the open source community means towing the line, if not then this community sees that sort of abusive behavior as acceptable. It isn't about working together, it's about hurling vitriol at anybody who's ideas you don't like or you disagree with (and that's ok because Linus does it). This is the reason open source has become a slow-follower rather than an innovator, nobody wants to be a part of a community like that.
Everywhere is "Quite a Sick Place To Be In". :(
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
"Get yourself an account ad karma-fight like a man. I haven't had mod points in years, but I wouldn't need 'em to rip your head off, and shit down your neck - you disgusting, pus-slurping piglet." - by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Monday January 07, @07:00PM (#42512319) Homepage
So much for your bullshit after that quote of you above.
You've never embarrassed anyone but yourself. You will now prove that by doing it again.
people who tailgate are complete dangerous wankers so thats a stupid analogy.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Believe it or not you can get a ticket for driving too slow, even if that speed is the posted limit.
1) Post your BTC addresses and say you will kill everyone even remotely famous various places
2) Hope that some BTC dust settles in some of your addresses
3) Watch complete idiots take this seriously and report it as news
Even thinking such threats is anything but lame attempts at making a small profit is utterly ridiculous - it is just as stupid as thinking that an init system should handle everything from systemlog to dhcp.
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation
And if they're speeding but you can't afford the fine so you don't?
You shouldn't have conflated certain developers with anonymous trolls. These people specifically hang about Open Source forums to disrupt them. There's one sick fuck whose been doing it for the best part of a decade. I assume it's an individual, but how to explain someone posting on average one msg every five minutes over a twenty four hour period, mustn't sleep, eat or work ? And it isn't just Open Source forums. Some time back the Richard Dawkins forum had to be suspended as it had been infested and taken over by some particularly pathological people with their own agenda. Lastly, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols had this to say on the matter:
... well, kill me)." Lennart Poetterings
"But what I find particularly appalling is the fact that he regularly defends this, and advertises this as an efficient way to run a community. (But it is not just Linus, it's a certain group of people around him who use the exact same style, some of which semi-publicly even phantasize [sic] about the best ways to,
'At this point, I think Poettering has gone off the rails.
I know most of Linux's top developers. None of them are fantasizing about killing anyone or encouraging such hateful attitudes" Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
"the Open Source community is full of a#@&oles, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets"
Lennart, I fixed this for you:
"the Open Source community is full of a#@&oles, and I am probably one of the biggest"
Your arrogant my-way-or-the-highway attitude apparently rubs people the wrong way.
I happen to know a bit - if not a fair amount - about the advantages and drawbacks of plain-text vs binary formats for I/O, and the brittleness of dependencies that are expressed through binary formats vs. parsing text.
The beauty and glory and travesty that are *NIX are living testimony to this. The trail of RSTS/E, MVS, VMS, DOS, MacOS, Windows.last and Android.next all demonstrate why POSIX-style systems, built on the "do one thing well" philosophy, with mostly human-readable text-based IO have longevity and are the leveragable core technology under most, more transient, graphical user shells.
SystemD is an abortion. It appeals to RedHat - who stacked the deck and manipulated the governing process to have it adopted by Debian. If they want an OS built like that? They can license the VMS sources and make their OWN copy of NT.
Hooks that fuckup a system, tying init to specific libraries and specific builds of individual device initialization and volume mapping schemes are a step back into darkness - and a cult of experts with necessary commercial funding. This is the breakdown of Open Source vs Free Software from a movement/philosophical POV.
The result of a Linux kernel tied to SystemD and PulseAudio approaches is similar to that of Android - where meaningful work is done by arcane parts of a system that relegates kernel function to the most undifferentiated commodity tasks, and source availability is almost irrelevant - because changes and fixes occur through closed processes, against a code base that is inaccessibly dense and full of binary dependency.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
How has "open source" stagnated? What are your criteria for being dynamic and viable?
Explain in 25 words.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
1. Cheap 2. Whiny 3. Asshole.
Even Linus doesn't get to be all 3 at the same time. This is why MS and moreso Apple will always thrive. People have no problem ponying up a few bucks and be totally segragated from bullshit like this. Windows proves that paying more for something doesn't make it better. Free software constantly needs to have it's ass wiped. To be fair (chuckle) both sides of this socialist crybaby argument are miles ahead of your ex hero Reiser.
What bitch wants to mod this one off topic???
WARNING: Karma burning posts contribute to global warming.
He's no Copernicus, blazing a new vision previously un-charted and thus incomprehensible to his peers.
LP is just pivoting to the kind of architectural model for platform software and device/process communication that defined VMS and IBMs SNA. That way? Ah. DLL hell....
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
It seems people are now hating him, because they don't like the fact that other people like the software he's made to replace init, and are shifting their own contributions to work with systemd instead of init. And they're too lazy to make their own fork of init and stuff that depends on it.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
That was a personal matter.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Lennart being a f**wad in real life:
Go to youtube.:
27c3 - Desktop on the Linux... and BSD of course - Wolfgang_Draxinger
("27c3_-_Desktop_on_the_Linux..._and_BSD_of_course_-_Wolfgang_Draxinger")
If he can't take online what he gives in real life...
Then he shouldn't be a fkwad in real life, right?
Also not trying to force his way would be nice too, bazzar and all.
Speaking of beta.. how come I still get beta by default in tor browser; it doesn't store cookies, why is that beta crap still around? Fuck beta.
That isn't articulate. It's double talking, appease both sides self rationalized bullshit. You want articulate? Read the Constitution: The right to life is unalienable. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The right to do whatever you want inside your perimiter requires you to forsake the other two. That is the irony.
I'm interested, in which jurisdiction can you get fined for NOT violating rules ?!
That certainly not the case anywhere here in europe.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
"You Have Your Windows in My Linux"
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
The problem with that statement is that it assumes the people complaining about Pulse want or need a replacement for Pulse. There is absolutely nothing about Pulse that I want or need, yet it and its libraries come with a bunch of awful baggage: audio latency, complexity, resource consumption, and (in some cases) application instability. That makes it a big sack full of lose with not a bit of win. No, thanks. I don't mind it existing in the world, but when distributions started shoving it down our throats (by automatically re-installing it with every release upgrade) and applications started requring it (or effectively so by refusing to fix their bugs that are hidden by Pulse), that's when I started complaining.
You forgot the "in" in incompetent. His record speaks loudly and clearly for itself.
Unfortunately, yes they do. Unless you want to switch to BSD, or roll your own distribution
If so many distributions, including several major ones (openSUSE, Fedora, Debian, etc.) are ALL switching to systemd (and before that to network manager and pulseaudio), and some of them since quite some time (openSUSE has been using it for 4 iterations) without switching back, and some are even eager to jump in as start using future project from the same source (Google has expressed interests in KDBUS), there might be 2 explanations:
- either Lennart is an Evil-Über-Wizard-Super-Mutant who is mastering the art of mass mind-control, and it forcing every distro to switch using hypnosis.
- or maybe, perhaps systemd is actually USEFUL, solves real-world problems (to the point that most distribution have decided to use it), and isn't as problematic as the detractor want you to believe (don't base your opinion on what the first beta was years ago). Some of purported evils of systemd have no base in reality (detractors tend to forget that systemd is not only PID1, but a whole constellation of helper softwares and daemons).
Systemd might have enough objective qualities, so that even if a very vocal minority doesn't agree with it, a silent majority has considered interesting enough to give it a try.
Also, online I hear a lot of people complaining about systemd and calling for boycott, but I see very few actual useful work:
- Gentoo *DID* write their own init system (OpenRC).
- Uselessd is an attempt at an alternative using as few components as possible.
- SystemBSD is an attempt to offer the same API but rewritten from scratch for BSD (so Gnome and other software which relies on systemd can run there).
But outside of there 3 exceptions, it's basically only people complaining and whining, and not much effort to actually avoid systemd and propose another alternative.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
My first experience with LP's work was Pulse Audio. It cost me two days of time. First I had to find out what it/he was trying to do and why in the hell he chose the way to solve the non-existing problem. Finally, I removed it completely. And I could use my linux boxen as a music archive/player once again. Oddly enough my CPU didn't spend arbitrary amounts of time/resources/power grinding through my audio files for no good reason.
Guess what happened with systemd? That's right, I am removing it. I will not use junk software. The journal is binary and that alone shows LP doesn't really understand linux or *nix in general. He certainly understands his own brilliance though, even if none of the rest of do. Of course, he is not forced to endure himself.
There were other, better audio solution sets. They could have used some UI assistance. Instead of a better audio UI we got force fed a complete mess of a replacement. It never worked right, nor was it ever completed. Systemd is headed down that same path, if it hasn't already arrived.
I believe it is much better to cut the infection out completely rather than try to patch around his work.
posted to google+? i can see why ppl might bring on the hate.
but honestly i'm surprised anyone ever found this.
You know who "gamergate" actually affected? About 4 people.
Stop touching yourself and claiming it's someone else. Learn to tell the difference.
The right to life is unalienable.
So someone that puts down a dog should be tried for murder?
Someone who attempts suicide should be executed for attempted murder?
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
If I want to enter your private property with my gun strapped on my side, then you should be banned by law from barring me entry, as it's my right to bear arms, and nobody, not even private citizens on their own property, can infringe upon that.
If you don't agree with my absurd stretches of your statements, then you are a liberal commie.
Learn to love Alaska
What a pathetic rage quit post
Sigh, if only it were a rage quit. It's just a rage troll. He's been running around talking mad shit and now people talk shit and then he cries.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
and here I thought you'd go for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you're_no_Jack_Kennedy (which might be unfamiliar to non-americans)
http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?...\
/Very/ refreshing to finally see someone else calling out Linus for the incompetent abusive narcissistic nonvaleur he really is.
That was long overdue. Over the years he's been chasing away so many good developers with good ideas and good code, just because he saw them as a threat to perpetuating his tunnel vision on Linux. I've seen quite a number of good and needed kernel developments seen stamped out just because Linus did not understand the need and it irritated his superiority-sensors.
I'm not into systemd, from what I read I read it seems like a good plan but indeed quite badly implemented, but Lennart is 100% spot-on in his evaluation of Linus and some of his inner-circle cronies.
Bullshit Tom/Barb. Yes we know it's you. You did injure yourself and us as an embarassment (to humanity).
I got to this part:
> The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days.
pls stop
Why not just quit if not appreciated? Spend time doing something to benefit himself rather than others? I love open source, but I'm too selfish to contribute my own time.
You left out the part about her being a mail-order Russian bride, into bondage with Hans and her new boyfriend, and how she stole from Hans and bankrupted his company.
You also left about the part about he treated her like ReiserFS treated data. He found her lickety split, but couldn't keep track of her, discarded her, and pretended it wasn't his fault. And he only got caught because someone noticed him trying to clean up the mess in secret. The extent to which this was typical of administering ReiserFS still makes me laugh.
What would be the car analogy here?
I've used Linux continuously as my only desktop top every year since 1994, except for 2011 when I switched all our machines to Windows 7 for a year. It was an awful experience, but what made me do that was pulse-audio pooching every distribution. Not sure how it came about, and I'm not casting blame, but what made it so frustrating was I don't even use sound on the PC.
Open source is a true window into the White male mentality in the US, Europe, and other White-conquered countries. It is imperative that Indians and Chinese create their own versions of operating systems so that Linux can go fuck his Finnish fatass with a dildo.
And tailgating is in the eye of the beholder. The type of person who would do 30 in the fast lane is exactly the type of person who would complain about the "tailgaters" hovering 100 feet back.
Last post!
Sadly there is a lot about the open source narrative that we are finding that is not true. Inclusivity and security seem to be the first of a set of pillars that are falling for opensource. Companies gobble up opensource projects they want and lock them behind ecosystems that are not interoperable. It is kind of sad.
The UNIX "community" has a decades-long history of making things "good enough" for its own purposes and then flinging insults at anybody who complains about them. Linux had a "good enough" init system that (obviously) was not actually good enough for a large number of people. After many years of doing nothing to address any of the shortcomings of the init system, and nothing to make a better init system that would both (1) address the needs of its critics and (2) still be consistent with the otherwise solid UNIX ideal of doing single things very well, the opponents of systemd are hardly in a place to complain now. In fact, I see little evidence that they are willing to reform themselves and offer ANYTHING better than whet they have always offered (the old init stuff) which was clearly not good enough for many users. I don't actually have a preference here; I dislike them both, for obviously different reasons, but (unlike many systemd haters) I am unwilling to attack the systemd thing because I have been too busy with other things to get involved and come up with any better solution.
The champions of init need to take a good long look in the mirror and absorb one of the messages they have probably hurled at anti-init people over the years: if you don't like it, come up with something BETTER! (and, no, the old init is clearly not better, outside of the fevered brains of the init-clingers, because it is losing market share - this is called "evidence"). I actually hope the init people DO get on this task and come-up with something much cleaner AND better.
The problem is, it's the same type of people who are anti-abortion who are anti-systemd. They believe in some religious or carved in stone methodology of Linux that prevents it from existing. The distributions pushing out systemd are the logical ones presenting the best available option to their customers, same with the doctors.
her TomHudson & Barbara, not Barbie accounts banned
Nope. Full explanation of how I was unable to see well enough to use a computer for more than 2 years, and thought I would never be able to, so don't have my old passwords (though they may be written down somewhere) can be found here.
The real issue with APK, (google "APK Hosts File Troll"): Victims of technological change - Why haters gotta hate - which is somewhat on topic to this story.
Oh, and 3 stories on the front page (1 Thursday, two Sunday) Diners Tend To Eat More If Their Companions Are Overweight, First Birth From Human Womb Transplant, and NASA Asks Boeing, SpaceX To Stop Work On Next-Gen Space Taxi.
What have YOU been doing to contribute to the site - except for attacking me based on my gender identity and pimping your hosts file?
Anyway, time to ignore him for another week.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
In a public forum there will always be two assholes for every reachable person. If you engage indiscriminately, you have to be ready to be disappointed. Favor interaction methods where you work and build relationships directly with people worth your time; and permit you to identify them early on.
Sometimes a project forks because of developer personalities, and one branch will shine while the other withers and dies due to the momentum of the community. This happens more often than you'd expect, and it usually favors the less socially stunted subgroup (because as much as we'd like to believe we're all godlike coders and unique butterflies, we aren't and the talent comes from all corners).
Yes, keep driving the speed limit.....in the right lane you fucking dipshit. Get the fuck out of the left lane like the damn driver's manual you never read clearly states. If you aren't going fast enough to pass anyone you've got no business over there you sanctimonious Bastard.
Damn....I forgot to give you this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Hey, I resent that!
So, this is a stupid reason in a mission-critical piece of software?
Mods, you upticked this as "insightful"- it's only "insightful" if you're taking drags on a crack pipe.
You mean like the person at the beginning of this video? Take note of how many CHPs are in line.
Actually I do 75 in a 70, I try to stick to the right lane, but sometimes there's a row of 3-10 trucks in the right lane going 65 to pass. I'm not going to speed to up 85 to pass them, and some ahole who wants to go 85 rides 5-10ft off my bumper. I'm already going over the speed limit. I'll pull over has soon as I pass the trucks. AHOLE HAS NO RIGHT TO RISK MY LIFE TAILGATING ME.
Poettering thinks he is being singled out, but can you name another dev hated by a community? I can - Miguel de Icaza. Icaza advocated for broken closed OOXML, used Gnome to force MONO dependency (rings any bells?) and trolled whole community endorsing OSX over Linux desktop.
Poettering is the next Miguel de Icaza. He not only learned from Icaza how to fuck with people, he took it to the next level. Why settle with gnome dependency when you can take over vital subsystems and use your political power to make them the new default.
Mark my words - systemd-kernel is comming. Poettering dreams at night of being the next Linus, he is jealous and cant stand the fact people love Linus.
Who logs in to gdm? Not I, said the duck.
It's pretty simple. There's supposed to be a 2 second gap in good conditions. It's written into the handbook here in MA for driver's ed, although I believe it's been raised to 3-6-12 instead of 2-4-10.
You have proven me right again, by further embarrassing yourself as I said you would. You will now do it again.
Alexander Peter Kowalski is a fraud and a malware author.
Alexander Peter Kowalski is a transphobic pedophile.
Alexander Peter Kowalski's low intelligence, lack of marketable skills, and narcissistic personality disorder make him unsuitable for anything but menial labor.
Alexander Peter Kowalski pretends to be other people on Slashdot to agree with himself, because he is unable to garner any support from real posters.
Alexander Peter Kowalski attempts to present his humiliating losses as victories, because he is unable to deal with his inadequacies as a person.
Alexander Peter Kowalski has never succeeded in fooling even a single person with these clumsy attempts at lies.
Alexander Peter Kowalski agrees with each and every one of these statements.
Alexander Peter Kowalski has repeatedly proven each of these statements to be factually correct.
Alexander Peter Kowalski will now prove these statements to be correct again.
If you look carefully, mr. Poettering is the guy behind many problems in the current Linux world. He is the guy behind Pulseaudio, the audio system that destroyed everything that was good about ALSA, and didn't properly fix anything that was bad about it. He is the guy behind systemd, the swiss army knife that is good at everything except what it is supposed to do, reinventing all the wheels that used to be the base of a Linux system. He is complaining that Linux is still too fragmented, and fixes that by adding more fragmentation on the one hand (Pulseaudio, yet another audio implementation) and reducing fragmentation to the level that it's insane on the other (systemd).
And, mr. Poettering. Sometimes listening to others is not a bad idea. There is no excuse for binary log formats. The fact that you still refuse to listen to this message (and others), brought to you by many, makes you nothing better than all the people you are barking at.
and here I thought you'd go for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S... (which might be unfamiliar to non-americans)
The Quale joke doesn't work so well when you substitute someone quite well know, Kennedy, with someone who few (even among geeks) have heard of. Many readers recognized the joke but were thinking "who the f*** is Hans Reiser?"
As for those who knew who Hans Reiser was, they were thinking that the reformulated joke didn't make sense. The original joke was a put down, saying that Quail is no war hero, scholar and statesman. The reformulated joke is saying that Lennart is not someone who abuses and murders his wife. The reformulated joke was ill thought out.
Come back with your rant when Poettering's crap is not being forced down the throats of users of most major distros, and when the company he works for ceases to wield great influence over what eventually becomes accepted standard in the community. Nobody is forcing me to use Windows either, but I use Linux over it for the freedom Linux offers. Yet it's starting to become more of a "You're only free to do these things if you want to use our more popular distro. Piss off if you don't like it". I know I could always try and gather some like minded people and start yet another distro, but when software vendors will only support the major distros and their offerings won't work on your incompatible OS, you have no choice but to fall at the feet of the those you disagree with. Significant alterations to basic software is not synonymous with "scratching an itch".
Maybe we're old enough by now to realise that "new + shiny" does not always equal "good".
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Yes, I'm sure he's very upset at the rejection by all 10 people who use Gentoo.
Hey, there's no need to count in binary. Oh, and thanks for your decision not to switch the both of us to systemd for now.
Thanks for that insigthful psycho analysis. Is that your day job? I think you'd be better off just quitting.
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
And yet the original unix developers (Richie, Thompson, et. al.) regarded the Linux community as 'very soft and gentle', "like rustling a nest of butterflies." Mind you, the original unix developers had 1) telephone engineers who would yell original epithets at them if things didn't go as expected 2) Navy/Airforce "steelie-eyed-missile-men" who were well trained in a) intimidation tactics b) how to kill people, and weren't afraid to "personally come down and fix you and your system for good". Init was fine as it was. I'm surprised Torvalds hasn't tossed a few choice words at him too.
People that are against Lennart or systemD act exactly like little spoiled brats. If you don't like systemD then don't use it. No one is forcing you to. You are using something for free, no one has to make you happy in particular.
None of hir /. accounts were ever banned.
Unlike APK, who got himself banned from Ars... 4 times, IIRC?
And had the same (very long) edit to the page about hosts files reverted by the Wikipedia editors 20+ times, until they IP-banned him.
Lennart is a virgin
No he didn't you cowardly twit, he wrote:
You really, really forgot Miguel de Icaza.
By the way, where is he now. I miss his trolling.
This!
Or my favorite version:
If you meet an a**hole in the morning. You met an a**hole.
If you meet a**holes all day, you're the a**hole.
I don't get it. Sometimes your "s" key works, sometimes it produces a "*". Maybe you'd better get your keyboard fixed.
Exactly. You hit the nail on its head.
Looking for system logs of PAST events, and expecting them to be not corrupted? Can someone be less forward looking than that? Talk about obsession with the past. Forward looking guys need no logs of the past. Next feature in systemd is a log file from future.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
No, he works for the spooks and is building up a core critical component to compromise.
That'd be c^4
mod parent up to some score higher than 5 :-)
Hopefully one that saves it's files in a binary format (of course a second tool to decode them will be provided) includes a web and database server and would make it impossible to run vim, emacs or nano alongside it.
Linus doesn't always dish out abuse - especially if you have a valid point and it makes sense.
He generally dishes out abuse against repeated or blatant stupidity.
Lennart, is that you?
Linux isn't tied to systemd, and you don't even know how to spell systemd (hint: it's not SystemD). Still, you're modded up by the muppets who know less.
Of good sense. So how can anti-abortion people be not anti-systemd?
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
Yes, keep driving the speed limit.....in the right lane you fucking dipshit. Get the fuck out of the left lane like the damn driver's manual you never read clearly states. If you aren't going fast enough to pass anyone you've got no business over there you sanctimonious Bastard.
Firstly, no driver ever anywhere has the slightest obligation to lift a finger to help you break the law. Second, the slow lane is often full, and sometimes so is the middle and fast lane and they all go at the same speed. There's often no room to move in. So, stop expecting people to live their life around aiding you as much as possible in breaking the law. It makes you seem like a very silly person.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It's pretty simple. There's supposed to be a 2 second gap in good conditions. It's written into the handbook here in MA for driver's ed, although I believe it's been raised to 3-6-12 instead of 2-4-10.
I think the goal of the tailgater is to influence the driver ahead of them to change their behavior, by genuinely putting their life at risk (if they have to stop quickly, they'll be rammed and then they get to deal with that in addition to whatever they were trying to avoid ahead of them). Leaving a 2 second gap defeats that purpose, thus ensuring that the two guys driving 30 in a 50 zone side-by-side continue to do so.
I'm not saying that it is legal or ought to be legal. That is the rationale, however.
SystemD is an abortion. It appeals to RedHat - who stacked the deck and manipulated the governing process to have it adopted by Debian. If they want an OS built like that?
Uh, you do realize that virtually every distro around is in the process of switching over to systemd, right? About the only one with no real movement towards doing so that I can see is Slackware. Did RedHat stack the deck and manipulate the governing process on all of them? Or, maybe do they just all want an OS built like that?
1. Gentoo is not switching to systemd, either.
2. The adoption of systemd is mostly the result of political operations.
but that GNOME is sufficiently important to drive systemd uptake
You still get the choice between:
- keeping GNOME and SystemD.
- throwing away GNOME + SystemD, and switching to KDE, or LXDE, or XFCE, or Unity, or Enlightment, or MATE (or even a mix of Cinamon that relies on gnomelibs that are systemd-free).
(Though probably given that - no matter how much you refuse to believe - systemd *IS* actually useful and *DOES* help solving real-world needs, probably KDE is going to start using it some time in the future, too.
On the other hand, KDE being KDE and being much about choice, KDE will probably go the "phonon" route: they'll probably make a new module in kdelibs called "libkde-systemk" which is a very simple API and high level abstraction of the few features they need, and which can use systemd as a back-end, but could also use systembsd, other backend or even whatever could produce the same functionality under Mac OS X [Launchd] and Windows [huh...?] )
GNOME is *NOT* a absolute requirement for Linux.
And several distros *DID* switch away from it (but not on the grounds of systemd. Mostly because they didn't like the direction Gnome 3 was heading):
- Gnome2 got forked into MATE and had quite some success.
- Ubuntu created their own Unity.
- Mint started their Cinnamon fork of Gnom3
- Some distro switched to XFCE to have a "Gnomish look" but less resource requirement than Gnome 2/3
etc.
Now in fact if you look at it closely:
- Yes, Fedora *IS* a GNOME-based distribution, and they also use SystemD, but...
- openSUSE has been systemd-powered for the past 4 releases (~3 years ago, ~1.5 year after the systemd launch) . Yet, opensuse *IS NOT* a GNOME-based distro. KDE has always been the default, although suse has always made the effort to support both KDE and Gnome as first-class DE making effort to customise and integrate them both. ...etc...
- ubuntu did switch from Gnome to Unity... but they are switching from Upstart to systemd.
Apparently, systemd might be useful enough that even distros that DO NOT depend on Gnome3, STILL decide to pick it up.
The only remaining practical questions are:
- how much until it becomes stable and mature enough (opensuse is showing signs that this is soon)
- how long will it stay before "let's change everything" madness strikes again.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
I prefer:
When you look back at all your failed relationships, you will find a single common factor in all of them .... you.
Having had the opportunity to drive in a few countries in Europe, it's interesting to see how much easier it is there because people actually know the laws and follow them.
Maybe because it's enforced here in Europe ?
To get a driver's license, one need not only to pass practical driving exams, but also to pass a theoretical exams about the laws. You are required to register to a few theory courses for it. (All paying, that's why some people consider that driver's licenses are trying to scam as much money out of people as possible).
While it's not as difficult as a real school's exam, that still involves at least grasping the basics of the law.
There *are* people failing it. In some countries: fail 3 times in a row, and the local department of transport will politely offer you to put you in contact with professional psychologists if you like (repeated failure might be stress-management related. But might be also an opportunity to catch learning disabilities in a few people, instead of having them repeat the exam 20x until they eventually pass it by random chance and then allow such people on the street).
In comparison, when I was visiting the states, I was baffled at how stupidly trivial it is to get a drivers license.
Which of course makes sense in a country that is so much over reliant on cars. When even "go get groceries at the block's corner's store" means a 15 minutes drive, because the "block" consist of a several mile long succession of 2-store houses, then NOT having a drivers license is basically being completely unable to function in society. Add to the fact that driver's licenses function as photo ID and thus basically anyone is required to have one, so you can't easily fail people. (Unlike here in European countries which all have proper ID Cards. Due to a VERY HIGH level of standardisation, a driver's license is acceptable and can be used as a substitute for ID Card when in a rush. But still, european countries have a photo ID card that is issued to everybody, without needing to pass an exam or to pass a bank's credit card financial history check).
But yeah, basically:
- in europe, to be allowed to drive, you need to positively prove that you aren't going to pose a significant danger to the other drivers.
- in US, to be allowed to drive, you need to approximately qualify as 'human being' (more or less). (Corporal Nobby Nobbs would probably qualify too).
Even driving on the Peripherique around Paris is a walk in the park compared to dealing with a lot of highways here in the U.S.
yet, north European (Germans) find that the French drive badly.
(and the opposite is true in the Balkan, probably US-ians will find driving there too much dangerous for them).
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
People flash their high beams like mad if they think you're not moving fast enough. They also put on the blinker, but the high beams come first.
Depends on the country. In Germany, being aggressive *IS* fine-able.
In Switzerland it could be considered impolite.
In southern France, that's the normal behaviour.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Project much?
Lennart has never asked a girl out or had a girl approach him
That and polarized topics are such that someone can paint even a moderate view as extremist. I'm anti-abortion and pro-choice. They are orthogonal. Some people think that abortion is a valid contraception method, to be used casually (see the abortion rates and stats from the Soviet Union). Others would wish that nobody needed one, but so long as they are needed, they should be legal. They are pro-choice and anti-abortion. The "pro-life" group is anti-choice. Anti-abortion could fit a description of people from both sides.
I'll agree that pro-abortion and pro-choice are somewhat orthogonal, but the reason that people treat them as not being so is that their real assertion is that abortion is murder, and they just assume that you can't be pro-choice about murder. That is completely untrue, of course, pro-murder and pro-choice are also orthogonal in the same sense.
Let me rewrite your paragraph here and illustrate the challenge:
That and polarized topics are such that someone can paint even a moderate view as extremist. I'm anti-murder and pro-choice. They are orthogonal. Some people think that murder is a valid dispute resolution method, to be used casually (see the murder rates and stats from the USA). Others would wish that nobody needed to kill anybody, but so long as it is necessary, it should be legal. They are pro-choice and anti-murder. The "pro-life" group is anti-choice. Anti-murder could fit a description of people from both sides.
Now, the reality is that almost nobody would self-identify with that statement, but it is a completely self-consistent position to have. I could very well think that murder is something to be avoided, but that it should be legal and up to every individual to decide whether to kill somebody over a disagreement.
I fully appreciate that almost everybody who is pro-choice does not consider abortion to be morally equivalent to murder, and so they will object to the analogy. However, I suspect that most who are pro-life DO consider abortion to be morally equivalent to murder, and so you shouldn't be shocked when they take objection to this simply being a matter of preference.
In my mind the more interesting moral question is whether abortion is murder. Once you make a decision on that one way or another, whether it should be a matter of choice would probably be fairly straightforward in most minds (but then again, considering that gay marriage is still illegal in 20 states and marijuana use in almost all of them, perhaps not).
Why'd BarbaraHudson run from disproving apk's points on hosts here then http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?
I utterly FLOORED all of ars @ Windows IT Pro (Jeremy Reimer the no-mind especially along with Jay Little) @ "The Memory Optimization Hoax" article (along with Dr. Mark Russinovich too) by using Microsoft's OWN documentation that PROVED memory optimizers can unhalt stalled Exchange Servers (clearmem.exe is a character mode manually operated program of such nature, using the SAME techniques GUI ones do, & does exactly that), speeding them up when they're lagged is what... lol!
* As far as Wikipedia? I'm not "banned" there (least of all by IP address) - I can edit there *IF* I like, when I like, anytime (just like anyone else).
APK
P.S.=> It's been a real pleasure making you look a fool (again), BarbaraHudson (OR, lmao - should I say "Tom" instead?)... apk
3 we know of are http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... = http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... = http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... ? Why would anyone have more than 1 if they weren't moderating themselves up using more than 1 account and to minusmod others who get the best of them? Barb's modus operandi is clearly obvious she does that by having more than 1 slashdot registered account.
He's just butt-hurt that Gentoo won't make systemd it's default init manager.
Gentoo devs give as choice, openrc + syslog-ng is doing very on my machines, I've spend some time to configure it and tune it and can see no reason to switch to systemd, btw. pulseaudio is still buggy.
Before you say that someone is hiring a hitman to kill him, you should know that Lennart is referring to this IRC comment:
Feb 14 18:21:51 <kerio> how expensive is a hitman?
Feb 14 18:22:03 <kerio> we can pool some bitcoins
The whole thing is greatly exaggerated.
If everyone around you appears to be an arsehole, then check whether or not the actual arsehole is you.
2. The adoption of systemd is mostly the result of political operations [reddit.com].
Yeah I'm sure that a reddit comment by "altarboylover" is a serious proof of your theory.
Driving below the speed of traffic is what's dangerous - ask any cop.
You do not acknowledge the abuse of the Debian Community process? Or the fact that Debian is Upstream of 5 or 7 principal distros?
Why not stuff yourself into PID 1 and execute yourself?
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Linux isn't tied to systemd, and you don't even know how to spell systemd (hint: it's not SystemD). Still, you're modded up by the muppets who know less.
Now, before you become a pedant, you must learn to polish your shoes and knot a tie.
Linux is not tied to the init. Correct. Read that as "Linux Distributions".
The "SystemD" is erroneous capitalization - not spelling error. It is deliberate, for editorial satire.
"Muppets" are amusing and bring joy to millions. Try watching some of these "muppets", then come back here and contribute a post with actual content, erroneous or otherwise.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Alexander Peter Kowalski is a fraud and a malware author.
Alexander Peter Kowalski is a transphobic pedophile.
Alexander Peter Kowalski's low intelligence, lack of marketable skills, and narcissistic personality disorder make him unsuitable for anything but menial labor.
Alexander Peter Kowalski obsessively monitors his Slashdot posts and replies to all of them in minutes, proving that he is still rightfully unemployed.
Alexander Peter Kowalski pretends to be other people on Slashdot to agree with himself, because he is unable to garner any support from real posters.
Alexander Peter Kowalski is unable to edit Wikipedia because he was rightfully banned for spamming, and is not competent to evade their simple IP block.
Alexander Peter Kowalski suffered humiliating losses to every single member of Ars Technica with whom he engaged, just as he does on Slashdot and every other site he ever visits.
Alexander Peter Kowalski attempts to present his humiliating losses as victories, because he is unable to deal with his inadequacies as a person.
Alexander Peter Kowalski knows that nobody has ever "run" from him, since his points remain debunked even after he repeats them ad nauseum.
Alexander Peter Kowalski has never succeeded in fooling even a single person with these clumsy attempts at lies.
Alexander Peter Kowalski agrees with each and every one of these statements.
Alexander Peter Kowalski has repeatedly proven each of these statements to be factually correct.
Alexander Peter Kowalski will now prove these statements to be correct again.
Saw also some smaller decals on cars.
And thought to myself, perhaps someone wants to state that he or she is pedophile and warn others ?!
Yeah, I have to fess up to being one of the people he's talking about. One of those articles about systemd had some comment about how the makers were, you know, bad people.
So I looked it up, and yeah, this guy is at the top of the stack. I'm reading about him and as soon as the term PulseAudio popped up I transformed into a seething ball of rage that wanted bad things to happen to this person. Now, all thing considered with the human condition, that's perfectly fine and all. But then I posted to Slashdot verifying the OP was spot on about the... I dunno... satanic heritage or somethingorother about this guy. What can I say, he broke my sound.
So yeah, he is tied to a thing that caused me grief. I'd never actually want to hurt the guy, but I do wish he had never done anything with PulseAudio.
I can understand if he's caught some flak online.
Maybe it's not 100% firm, but nor do I think there is a 100% firm counterargument. BTW, most of the most prominent theorems in mathematics and phycics were first evaluated on scrap papers and blackboards, which doesn't seem to be a much superior media to reddit comments, lol.
Choke on a dick, Apuke. You'd be doing your parents a favour.
Well of course that justifies death threats! What was I thinking?
Project much? Take your own advice: You need it.
Why'd BarbaraHudson run from disproving apk's points on hosts here then http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?
Why's BarbaraHudson running from disproving apk's points on hosts here then http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?
JC spells it "PenTration" on his linkedin resume after all yet claimed it was his job?Talk about STOO-PID. Don't ever *try* to write a spellchecking routine (not that the likes of you has the intelligence for coding), please.
However, I suspect that most who are pro-life DO consider abortion to be morally equivalent to murder, and so you shouldn't be shocked when they take objection to this simply being a matter of preference.
Since you have abandoned the idea of either side painting the middle as extremists (you didn't stick to the point that "additionally anyone who wishes for abortion to remain legal for incest-rape is pro-murder - you should be bound, by law, to carry your child/nephew to term", or other statements that show either side can force any moderate opinion to an extreme one), but instead you are arguing points about abortion, I'd note that the anti-abortion group is decidedly pro-murder. What's more pre-meditated killing of a human than the death penalty? And it seems that the anti-abortion crowd isn't anti-murder, but pro-size limits. Like fishing, you have to throw them back small and kill them later.
But then, that's another way that the moderate get painted as radicals. If you aren't absolute on every statement, then they paint you as being non-committal to anything/everything. So they'll assume some "moderate" stance on some unrelated topic and attack that. "Oh yeah, I bet you want to kill all the Jews in Israel and hand it back to the Sand Niggers." And if you dignify that challenge with anything other than "fuck off" they'll have something from you on the unrelated topic to vilify you.
The Internet is mostly mental masturbation and rhetorical games for trollers to stroke their egos over forcing people to agree (when the people don't agree, but say they do to be able to discuss other things), or verifying their world view.
Learn to love Alaska
So you are now admitting that what you claimed is wrong. *Of course* you can get a ticket for driving in the left lane for no reason at all. It's the same everywhere here in Europe, but people here actually stick to this rule, most of the time. As my ex-wife told me after half a year in Oregon, this is not at all the case there. I guess this is somehow related to everyone with a pulse being able to get a driver's licence. In Germany, like in most European countries, there is always a very real chance of not passing. At the time when most of my classmates turned 18 and took driving lessons, several of them failed on their first attempt. Typical problems were failing the theory exam, not properly starting the car on a rising slope, taking "turn right at the next chance" more seriously than a one-way sign, and following a lorry at a traffic light that turned red - or might have done so - while obscured by the lorry.
In other news: Believe it or not, you can get a life sentence for walking on the side-walk. (If you shoot someone dead while doing so.)
And the ones about Tesla tend to even be fellatious...
Was make you "eat your words" quoted here:
"I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage
Where, you pitiful transtesticle monstrosity?
Ok then - tell you what:
Answer or disprove these 15 questions http://news.slashdot.org/comme... to PROVE YOU HAVE DONE SO...
Go for it (you'll "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" as always).
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* As far as "attacking" anyone, Barb? Didn't YOU say these things about me:
1.) I was a "know nothing that never worked in the industry" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (mega wrong proven there, especially vs. YOU, the transtesticle freak) ?
2.) "I lived in a basement in my mommy's house" (or the "usual" way to put-down geeks etc.) http://slashdot.org/journal/25... too??
(Both are lies from YOU, Barb: I'm a taxpaying homeowner for many, Many, MANY years + I've done a truckload more than you have in the art & science of computing (by FAR, as is shown in the 1st link in #1 enumerated above))...
3.) Didn't you also tell others to stalk & harass me by ac posts too http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ???
APK
P.S.=> NOW, lastly - On what I've contributed? Ok: A free working program that gives you more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity online http://start64.com/index.php?o... (which is, of course, MORE than you will EVER manage to do)... apk
It makes you seem like a dipshit to fail to understand that you aren't supposed to be in the far left lane unless you are passing the car in the left. That's the law. I don't know how many times I've been on I-75 behind a dipshit like you running a snail race against the car in the right. The car in the right lane speeds up, you speed up. The car in the right lane slows down, you slow down. Now you know why everyone flips your stupid ass off as they finally pass you on the right side you smug, self righteous bastard.
Again showing off your stupidity and ignorance, Lennart? lol
What was I thinking?
Well, you weren't. In my comment, while I certainly didn't mention the threats of violence to his person, an absence of condemnation does not amount to me justifying something as unacceptable as that.
Oh the irony. He really seems to have no self-awareness or no shame.
So the reality is open source is no more free than proprietary programs. As you say, "you have no choice".
How has "open source" stagnated?
There is no innovation, after decades of plugging away at the desktop it is still a mess of infighting like this init debacle and has gotten nowhere while any viable system still relies on closed source drivers and hardware. While others came up with innovative entries to the tablet, smartphone, smartwatch and home automation markets open source languished. The open source community is still tripping over itself and battling itself chasing the diminishing desktop market but not looking ahead at creating something new. Open source is for dinky little addons to proprietary systems or for the Linux kernel. What happens when somebody tries to pull these projects kicking and screaming into the modern era? The greybeards act like spoilt children whose toy is being taken away.
The ways in which it has stagnated are almost innumerable, where are the examples of innovation? They don't exist.
You have a terrible misread on the situation.
I'd like specifics, next time. Not impressions about "smart phones" and watches - which nearly ALL embed an open kernel and rely on open/free toolchains.
Linux, BSD and Mach are in every Samsung and or Apple product with a CPU.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Who are Dan Quayle And Jack Kennedy?
Welcome to Earth, dear Martian tourist!
Funny enough I read yesterday the post and sympathized with Lennart... Last evening I did a dist-upgrade on my embedded arm-plug pc with jessy just to see it not booting anymore remotely... After going physically on site and some resarch.... systemd! boot totally blocked because of not being able to mount /sys/fs/cgroup .... And the whole story became clearer now... where is the donation link he is talking about? :P
but as per subj: apt-get remove systemd and back to initv.... cheers!
"the Open Source community is full of a#@&oles, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets"
and he, probably more than most others, is one of those "a#@&oles".
I reluctantly use systemd. This is a good opportunity for less popular distros (and *BSD) to gain traction. I'm considering switching from many years of using Archlinux on my workstations to any distro that gives me a normal init as an option.
You do not acknowledge the abuse of the Debian Community process? Or the fact that Debian is Upstream of 5 or 7 principal distros?
The fact is that virtually every distro has chosen to adopt systemd. The only one not adopting it that I'm aware of is Slackware. Gentoo isn't going to make it a default, but seems likely to drop their existing default. Of course, the #1 Gentoo derivative runs Upstart, so it will be interesting to see where it goes (hint, more systems run Upstart on a Gentoo derivative than on Ubuntu).
Sure, Debian's choice led to many derivative distros going along with it, but there have been many independent decisions to adopt it.
As far as the Debian community process goes - I only followed that tangentially, not being a part of the Debian community. I think I might have one VM somewhere running it that I fire up once a year. You'll have to ask a Debian lawyer whether their process was followed - there seemed to have been a lot of those types on that thread.
Why not stuff yourself into PID 1 and execute yourself?
At least we're getting back to the main topic - the FOSS community is full of assholes.
1. Gentoo is not switching to systemd, either.
At this point systemd is about as well-supported on Gentoo as the default openrc, and there is open discussion on the lists about removing the default entirely so that there is no default, just as there is no default bootloader or kernel. The whole point of Gentoo is that you get to run what you want to run, more or less. Of course, not all configuration permutations are equally supportable.
I'm still trying to work out who the fuck thins Lemming Potsherd guy is, and why I should care about his opinions. Something to remember when WritingTFS, before people refuse to RTFS or even RTFA.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
At least we're getting back to the main topic - the FOSS community is full of assholes.
This was a comment on the basic design flaw of sytemd. I couldn't pass on the joke. Relax a little.
I'm sorry if it seemed personal.
Cheers.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
[Shrug] Maybe I'll remember his name for long enough to ignore the next stuff that he writes about.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Everytime I've asked my ac troll "naysayer detractors" to answer these questions http://news.slashdot.org/comme... after my posts on hosts!
FUNNY HOW THEY *ALWAYS* "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from them...
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Case in point:
E.G./I.E.-> Worst of all is that transtesticular monstrosity multiple /. registered account using sockpuppeteer FREAK "BarbaraHudson" who shot his/her 'shim' mouth off only to "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from backing up her bullshit here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... as always, lol...
Freak tried libeling me repeatedly (enumerated 1-3 here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... )... Result?
Scumbag Barb/Tom the transtesticular monstrosity "ne'er-do-well" in computing was run outta slashdot for 2++ yrs. (her TomHudson & Barbara, not Barbie KNOWN sockpuppet accounts (like these, there ARE more) http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... ALL banned) only to return recently, much to his/her (?) dismay - I loved it... why?
Gave me the opportunity to make that freakish piece of crap have to "eat her/his words" is why!
Publicly too!
He/she/shim said this:
"I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage
Haven't seen it yet & when I asked her to show me WHERE he/she did so, or to *try* it again? Nada/Squat/Zip... lol! Obviously, catching her in the act & making him/her "eat his/her words", again.
APK
P.S.=> So, that's all I really NEED to point out: Ala when you corner a shithead like Transtesticle Tom/Barb (the bigmouth done zero bullshit artist online scumbag) in a challenge they can't backup their bullshit in? You've won... simply by publicly embarassing them in a FAIR challenge where their mouths wrote checks their dim dullard brains can't ca$h... apk
Since you have abandoned the idea of either side painting the middle as extremists (you didn't stick to the point that "additionally anyone who wishes for abortion to remain legal for incest-rape is pro-murder - you should be bound, by law, to carry your child/nephew to term", or other statements that show either side can force any moderate opinion to an extreme one)
You're going to have to re-state that, as I am not sure what you're trying to say. You seem to be putting words in my mouth.
I really didn't intend to comment at all on whether either side paints the middle as extremists at all.
I didn't say "additionally anyone who wishes for abortion to remain legal for incest-rape is pro-murder - you should be bound, by law, to carry your child/nephew to term" so I'm not quite sure why it is in quotes.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm just honestly not quite sure what you're trying to express.
I'd note that the anti-abortion group is decidedly pro-murder
Uh, what does being against abortion have to do with being for murder? I'm not sure how this follows.
What's more pre-meditated killing of a human than the death penalty?
So, there are a few problems here:
1. First, you can be anti-abortion and also be anti-death-penalty. Many aren't, but they are really different issues.
2. You've basically defined "murder" as "the premeditated killing of a human." I doubt most will accept that definition. If we were to accept that definition, then murder isn't a crime, abortion is murder, many consider murder morally acceptable, etc. I'm not usually big on arguing over definitions, but this was not what I meant when I used the term.
But then, that's another way that the moderate get painted as radicals. If you aren't absolute on every statement, then they paint you as being non-committal to anything/everything.
No argument there, and that was certainly not my intent.
My point was simply that the reason the "anti-abortion" crowd tends to also be "anti-choice" is that they consider abortion to be murder, and as a result people can't be offered a choice. Most people would not say that a person has a right to choose to kill their adult neighbor without their consent. Many would actually say that a person doesn't even have the right to kill themselves, though this is far more controversial.
Whether abortion is murder is certainly something that can be debated. There is no question that abortion is pre-meditated killing. Looking at an ant and stepping on it is pre-meditated killing. Whether it is the killing of a human is just a matter of your definition of a human. However, murder usually involves more than just the pre-meditated killing of a human. For example, we generally do not use the term murder to describe the actions of a firing squad, a police officer firing on a hostage taker, or a military operation, but all of those can involve the pre-meditated killing of a human.
Np. It was a nice pun, and much of this debate goes to whether this sort of thing is acceptable discourse.
Between two friends as a joke it goes over a lot better than between two strangers on a mailing list. :)
As opposed to adding immense complexity and potential defects at a very low level in pretty much every linux distribution that will be installed in millions (billions?) of servers and embedded devices? From the perspective of someone who likes rooted cellphones, Poettering's projects are great news. From someone who needs to rely on linux-powered devices for safety, security, and privacy, I think I soiled my drawers.
The safety implications are just as valid, so I would say the analogy is fair.
OJ Simpson is laying in the middle of Santa Monica Boulevard and threatening to set himself on fire with gasoline if he doesn't get enough donations to help him pay the judgements against him. This incident has backed up traffic for miles. A police officer is going car to car asking for donations so OJ will move.
A guy in a sports car calls over the officer and asks, "What is going on?" The officer replies, "Well OJ can't handle the 30 million loss due to the civil suit so we're asking for donations, or he'll set himself on fire." The guy in the car asks, "Well how much have you collected so far?" The officer replies, "About fifteen gallons."
(Well, LP doesn't seem to have killed anyone, but I don't think there would be anyone want to literally kill LP, either.)
He do MBA.
Casteism
Indeed, like much of what the Red Hat / GNOME camp have created (NetworkManager being a perfect example), it's great technology for personal laptops and absolutely shit technology for servers.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
I'm sure it's a coincidence, but I still can't shake the timing of Lennart's rant. Right when Linus goes incommunicado for traveling, eh? Hmm.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
He's long talked of "GNOME OS", and the kernel as a mere "implementation detail". So honestly, you might not be far off.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
To be perfectly fair, Hans Reiser was convicted of a crime, but at least he was more open about his methods into making things better for GNU/Linux rather than worse.
To be perfectly honest, if I was a student again and had a choice of interviewing a famous developer of something revolutionary for GNU/Linux for a class project, I'd choose to interview Hans long before I'd even think of approaching Lennart.
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Fsck that, there's nothing meritous about using text formats. The brittleness goes the other way, text files have all sorts of brittle failure modes, binary files have exactly none.
Reply weeks late? Stop living in the past!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
>> If you troll and do things that people don't like, you are bound to get a lot of negative feedback. Your own remarks a a fine example of this.
> It's fascinating how in the digital age people have lost sight of this.
This seems so confused to me. No one has lost sight of this. You can't post into any forum, join any community distro, with the intention of receiving or giving help without coming in "with your hat in your hand", so to speak (more for the former than the latter, actually). What happens afterwards depends greatly on moderation and the culture. In an anarchic culture you're lucky if you can give as good as you get.
And that's exactly the confused and mighty culture which was needed to make competitive products with juggernauts the ilk of Microsoft.
Who would 'av thunk it possible 20 years ago?
Technologies are maturing.
People grow up.
They don't want to fight tooth and nail--all the time.
There you go, bringing class into it again.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The key word there is just. Look it up.
(Hint: it's not used in the "fair/equitable" sense in this context)
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."