"[M]ay not" implies that it's opposite "may" also may (or may not) be true. Nothing was claimed. It could have been worded "even if we wouldn't be dumb enough". The point is that it doesn't matter, since enough people must presumably be swayed enough to make it worth while to advertise, assuming the big name brands aren't acting stupid throwing billions on marketing.
They can get to practically anyone. Especially since there's so much marketing that is sneakily trying to manipulate us without letting it be known who they are, how or why they are doing what.
The problem comes with the numbers. You say the average person is not so dumb, well, half of the people are dumber than that.
It's like with advertising. It works. If it didn't, the big shoesalespeople wouldn't be putting more than half of their turnover into marketing. You and me may not be dumb enough to fall for it, but on the whole, it works and thus the thought that the system consists of rational individuals making the best decisions for themselves is mathematically laughable. Bah! That's a nice tangent I went off on there... Point being: -turfing probably still works, otherwise they wouldn't invest so heavily in it. Problem? I think so. Solution? Off the top of my head I can't come up with others than education and hard work of those who can spread truth. Or the crushing of capitalism, of course.
But, erm... If you bomb them to the stone-age, the oppressed majority of nice people will also be vaporized, in pieces or suffering even more. I agree that we should fight oppression globally, but blowing the oppressed to bits isn't a good solution, in my opinion, even if it would, of course, solve the problem.
I think I actually never saw the third film, (which is not to say any sequels were ever made). Or maybe I have repressed that memory.
When I was a kid and saw back to the future, I thought it was the greatest movie ever made. At later inspection, one wonders how it was possible to be so immersed, noticing things that should have broken the spell. I find this happens a lot with movies or TV-shows.
I've often first thought a new show with a new take on a genre being better than anything else so far but later getting a more detached view, seeing patterns emerge and realizing this one too had a similar formula to all the other shows, just slightly renewed.
I remember one perfect film, though. I was about seven at the time. After seeing it an the movies with a classmate we both went galloping giddily through the woods, completely filled with excitement at the epic film. I wonder if they ever made a sequel to that. It was about a horse - "Black Beauty" something.
And having type apt-get in to install an app totally defeats the point of the touchscreen input mechanism and UI, what you want is a MacBook air or other thin laptop.
No, it doesn't. You won't be spending the bulk of your time apt-getting packages on the thing. But for when you do, if the tablet has a real USB port, you could use a normal keyboard, or you could ssh into it.
The apt-getability implies ease of installation and freedom of configuration.
Once you have it setup with for example KDEs Plasma Active gui just the way(s) you want it, you proceed using it in a tablet-like manner, at the same time feeling happy about being a (at least figuratively) bearded champion of Freedom and transparency, the main tenets of democracy.
Thanks. Must keep an eye on this. Maybe it can qualify next to the Archos G9s as post-christmas discount/"eBay" purchases for a reasonably priced GNU/Linux tablet...
Yes, looks promising. No info about debian on gen 9 on the linked wiki as of yet, afaics.
Still, the MER/{Plasma Active}-combo might cut it as GNU/Linux enough.
I'm thinking of splurging whatever assets I can amass on one G9 after Christmas (hopefully at a discount or from "eBay" if someone got the "wrong" present or duplicates) and as many used gen 8:s as I can, because having touch interfaces all around the house would be nice - fridgeputer, stoveputer, diaperchangingstation-/craputer and frontdoorputer, of the top of my head...
It is the same patriarchy and market economy that oppresses the men, women and hermaphrodites. We're all supposed to look and behave in certain ways. If women are demanding things from men (I haven't seen anyone in my social network ever demand anythong from anyone based on their genitalia) based on what they read in cosmo, I suggest you look higher up in the structure for clues. Among women and men there are lots of people who are more like the opposite sex regarding some variables. Whatever the genes say, if our reasoning and thousands of years of culture can come up with a better way to be than a monkey, then let's do that instead.
Grow a spine? The swedish government is like lobster with ketchup. It makes my head explode.
Is nokia still in there selling equipment to the Syrian big brother?
Well, the fuck nokia too, and motherfuck Finland.
I get to say fuck Sweden and fuck Finland, because I'm a finnish immigrant (2:nd generation) to Sweden. And I get to say fuck the USA, because we're all subjects of the american empire.
Hmm... One could step into the booth at H&M and strip to have a kinect (pehaps enhanced with robo-tweezers to detect firmness) make a 3d model of your body which could then be used to show off any clothes (physics properties of which of course have been entered into the machine).
The clothing-simulator would of course try to lie, pulling certain parameters in the direction of perfection to more efficiently get you to close the deal.
But they all ready have mobiles and internet in Syria, don't they?
Aren't Ericsson in there with huge Euro-signs in their eyes, selling more advanced big brother tech to the government, as other countries/corporations are out of the game since they claim to frown upon locating and disappearing dissidents?
I find slashdot to be a good place to get all sorts of talking points and perspectives . Whatever the topic, commenters will cover a multitude of angles. If I was a boss of slashdot out to monetize it, I'd exploit the community by selling discussions. Wanna probe an idea for a product or for some new policy? Float it on slashdot for $10K or whatever to get quick analysis and reactions from perhaps even surprising angles. Is that exactly what this ask slashdot is? (I wasn't paying very much attention).
So, to any capitalist pigs out there, wanting to use slashdot to learn how to better manipulate the people here's the free advice from my perspective in a nutshell:
However large the part of your product/idea is that is against free culture, free information, free software, democracy, transparancy and/or anarcho-socialism, that's how deep associating with you would be to suck Satans cock, so to speak, in my opinion.
>Blame natural evolution or god for creating us that way.
Nah. Obviously, any human action depends on god/evolution to allow it, but often "blame" should lie more directly on for example culture/ideas than on the underlying plumbing that facilitates them.
In this case of violent human exploration it is true that genes are probably pretty directly involved as the humans explore in states of fear and greed, but ideas and culture is still a bigger factor, and also the one we can do something about.
While we have the capacity for violence and feelings of fear, anger, revenge and greed, we are also capable to marvel and feel sympathy, to be righteous and to share. The higher plane of ideas and culture is where we can work, building on a foundation of the genetics of a social, loving animal and overcoming the scared greedy brute within.
So, no, don't blame god or evolution, even if they're visibly present in the state of things, because also the malleable ideas and culture of fear, greed and ruthlessness are there, shaping the order of things at least as much. Ideas and culture we can work on more readily.
Don't surrender to what is hardwired. Work around it in the software.
karma police, ban this man his blatant troll posts, are making me feel ill he's like a first post goatse.
First they came for Michael Kristopeit, but I didn't speak up since I wasn't Michael Kristopeit. Then they came for Michael Kristopeit 2 and 3 and on and on, until, one day, they came for Michael Kristopeit 412, but I didn't speak up, since I wasn't any of those. Then they came for the muslims and the communists and other uncool people, then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up for me.
Off topic? Sure. Good use of mod points? No. You should mod this down too, so you won't go and put your points to any use that matters. Don't worry about me. I'll be excellent.
And they do a lot of other stuff, anywhere they see freedom and openness needed on the web.
That is their thing. They're in it for our freedom. That's not to say they aren't bloated and inefficient. Maybe they are and maybe they need a kick in the pants, but they're still on our side, while a corporation that may happen to narrowly share a goal of ours is only on its own side.
Yeah! Stupid freedom mongers! Corporations would never lie to us! It's so stupid being a little person interested in sharing. Being a corporate lackey is where it's at. Kiss up - kick down!:)
Yes, but. There were these apes, Gorm and Kutcheck, but names are not important right now.... Anyway, they were sticking it to the man. And they felt very nice about it. Kutcheck said: "I just love sticking it to the man", to which Gorm replied: "I know! Fuck the man! But, wait a minute?!? What is sticking? Obviously, it is something one does with a stick, but, then, what the fuck is a stick?"
So Gorm and Kutcheck felt compelled to invent the stick right then and there and the rest is history.
Later on, one of them, I don't remember who, said: "Wait again! What the fuck is a minute !?!", but that is another, less important story.
Use a condom. I don't usually condone that sort of thing, since it feels so much nicer without one and fucking is to die for, but if your penis has fish scale-like properties, use a condom. Problem solved. Next.
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I agree. We're all manipulatable.
"[M]ay not" implies that it's opposite "may" also may (or may not) be true. Nothing was claimed. It could have been worded "even if we wouldn't be dumb enough". The point is that it doesn't matter, since enough people must presumably be swayed enough to make it worth while to advertise, assuming the big name brands aren't acting stupid throwing billions on marketing.
They can get to practically anyone. Especially since there's so much marketing that is sneakily trying to manipulate us without letting it be known who they are, how or why they are doing what.
The problem comes with the numbers. You say the average person is not so dumb, well, half of the people are dumber than that.
It's like with advertising. It works. If it didn't, the big shoesalespeople wouldn't be putting more than half of their turnover into marketing. You and me may not be dumb enough to fall for it, but on the whole, it works and thus the thought that the system consists of rational individuals making the best decisions for themselves is mathematically laughable. Bah! That's a nice tangent I went off on there... Point being: -turfing probably still works, otherwise they wouldn't invest so heavily in it. Problem? I think so. Solution? Off the top of my head I can't come up with others than education and hard work of those who can spread truth. Or the crushing of capitalism, of course.
But, erm... If you bomb them to the stone-age, the oppressed majority of nice people will also be vaporized, in pieces or suffering even more. I agree that we should fight oppression globally, but blowing the oppressed to bits isn't a good solution, in my opinion, even if it would, of course, solve the problem.
I think I actually never saw the third film, (which is not to say any sequels were ever made). Or maybe I have repressed that memory.
When I was a kid and saw back to the future, I thought it was the greatest movie ever made. At later inspection, one wonders how it was possible to be so immersed, noticing things that should have broken the spell. I find this happens a lot with movies or TV-shows.
I've often first thought a new show with a new take on a genre being better than anything else so far but later getting a more detached view, seeing patterns emerge and realizing this one too had a similar formula to all the other shows, just slightly renewed.
I remember one perfect film, though. I was about seven at the time. After seeing it an the movies with a classmate we both went galloping giddily through the woods, completely filled with excitement at the epic film. I wonder if they ever made a sequel to that. It was about a horse - "Black Beauty" something.
And having type apt-get in to install an app totally defeats the point of the touchscreen input mechanism and UI, what you want is a MacBook air or other thin laptop.
No, it doesn't. You won't be spending the bulk of your time apt-getting packages on the thing. But for when you do, if the tablet has a real USB port, you could use a normal keyboard, or you could ssh into it.
The apt-getability implies ease of installation and freedom of configuration.
Once you have it setup with for example KDEs Plasma Active gui just the way(s) you want it, you proceed using it in a tablet-like manner, at the same time feeling happy about being a (at least figuratively) bearded champion of Freedom and transparency, the main tenets of democracy.
Thanks. Must keep an eye on this. Maybe it can qualify next to the Archos G9s as post-christmas discount/"eBay" purchases for a reasonably priced GNU/Linux tablet...
Yes, looks promising. No info about debian on gen 9 on the linked wiki as of yet, afaics.
Still, the MER/{Plasma Active}-combo might cut it as GNU/Linux enough.
I'm thinking of splurging whatever assets I can amass on one G9 after Christmas (hopefully at a discount or from "eBay" if someone got the "wrong" present or duplicates) and as many used gen 8:s as I can, because having touch interfaces all around the house would be nice - fridgeputer, stoveputer, diaperchangingstation-/craputer and frontdoorputer, of the top of my head...
The new generation (G9) Archos tablets look promising for running a more GNU/Linux than Android distro on them.
KDEs Plasma Active, on top of MER is being worked on:
http://dot.kde.org/2011/11/30/plasma-active-archos-g9-tablet
And the general philosophy of Archos seems to be encouraging development of alternative firmwares (not without loosing warranty, though):
http://www.archos.com/support/support_tech/updates_dev.html?country=us&lang=en
It is the same patriarchy and market economy that oppresses the men, women and hermaphrodites. We're all supposed to look and behave in certain ways. If women are demanding things from men (I haven't seen anyone in my social network ever demand anythong from anyone based on their genitalia) based on what they read in cosmo, I suggest you look higher up in the structure for clues. Among women and men there are lots of people who are more like the opposite sex regarding some variables. Whatever the genes say, if our reasoning and thousands of years of culture can come up with a better way to be than a monkey, then let's do that instead.
You're just not supposed to be dealing with oppressive governments.
Grow a spine? The swedish government is like lobster with ketchup. It makes my head explode.
Is nokia still in there selling equipment to the Syrian big brother?
Well, the fuck nokia too, and motherfuck Finland.
I get to say fuck Sweden and fuck Finland, because I'm a finnish immigrant (2:nd generation) to Sweden. And I get to say fuck the USA, because we're all subjects of the american empire.
Hmm... One could step into the booth at H&M and strip to have a kinect (pehaps enhanced with robo-tweezers to detect firmness) make a 3d model of your body which could then be used to show off any clothes (physics properties of which of course have been entered into the machine).
The clothing-simulator would of course try to lie, pulling certain parameters in the direction of perfection to more efficiently get you to close the deal.
But they all ready have mobiles and internet in Syria, don't they?
Aren't Ericsson in there with huge Euro-signs in their eyes, selling more advanced big brother tech to the government, as other countries/corporations are out of the game since they claim to frown upon locating and disappearing dissidents?
>we only watch the little brown people because we care... and we hug them with our laser guided missiles.
It's called tough love. Really really tough love.
The "conservative" government of Swedens wants Ericsson to make lots of money selling mobile networks to Syria:
http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=8116
http://www.thelocal.se/37720/20111203/
PEN club is diappoint:
http://www.pen-international.org/12/2011/ericsson-in-syria-statement-from-swedish-pen/
Fuck you, Swedish government.
I find slashdot to be a good place to get all sorts of talking points and perspectives . Whatever the topic, commenters will cover a multitude of angles. If I was a boss of slashdot out to monetize it, I'd exploit the community by selling discussions. Wanna probe an idea for a product or for some new policy? Float it on slashdot for $10K or whatever to get quick analysis and reactions from perhaps even surprising angles. Is that exactly what this ask slashdot is? (I wasn't paying very much attention).
So, to any capitalist pigs out there, wanting to use slashdot to learn how to better manipulate the people here's the free advice from my perspective in a nutshell:
However large the part of your product/idea is that is against free culture, free information, free software, democracy, transparancy and/or anarcho-socialism, that's how deep associating with you would be to suck Satans cock, so to speak, in my opinion.
>Blame natural evolution or god for creating us that way.
Nah. Obviously, any human action depends on god/evolution to allow it, but often "blame" should lie more directly on for example culture/ideas than on the underlying plumbing that facilitates them.
In this case of violent human exploration it is true that genes are probably pretty directly involved as the humans explore in states of fear and greed, but ideas and culture is still a bigger factor, and also the one we can do something about.
While we have the capacity for violence and feelings of fear, anger, revenge and greed, we are also capable to marvel and feel sympathy, to be righteous and to share. The higher plane of ideas and culture is where we can work, building on a foundation of the genetics of a social, loving animal and overcoming the scared greedy brute within.
So, no, don't blame god or evolution, even if they're visibly present in the state of things, because also the malleable ideas and culture of fear, greed and ruthlessness are there, shaping the order of things at least as much. Ideas and culture we can work on more readily.
Don't surrender to what is hardwired. Work around it in the software.
karma police, ban this man his blatant troll posts, are making me feel ill he's like a first post goatse.
First they came for Michael Kristopeit, but I didn't speak up since I wasn't Michael Kristopeit. Then they came for Michael Kristopeit 2 and 3 and on and on, until, one day, they came for Michael Kristopeit 412, but I didn't speak up, since I wasn't any of those. Then they came for the muslims and the communists and other uncool people, then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up for me.
You're very talented! I haven't seen such classic moves in a while. Cool voice, too.
Off topic? Sure. Good use of mod points? No. You should mod this down too, so you won't go and put your points to any use that matters. Don't worry about me. I'll be excellent.
And they do a lot of other stuff, anywhere they see freedom and openness needed on the web.
That is their thing. They're in it for our freedom. That's not to say they aren't bloated and inefficient. Maybe they are and maybe they need a kick in the pants, but they're still on our side, while a corporation that may happen to narrowly share a goal of ours is only on its own side.
Yeah! Stupid freedom mongers! Corporations would never lie to us! It's so stupid being a little person interested in sharing. Being a corporate lackey is where it's at. Kiss up - kick down! :)
So, in the end, all we can do is be humane to each others. Not so bad.
Yes, but. There were these apes, Gorm and Kutcheck, but names are not important right now.... Anyway, they were sticking it to the man. And they felt very nice about it. Kutcheck said: "I just love sticking it to the man", to which Gorm replied: "I know! Fuck the man! But, wait a minute?!? What is sticking? Obviously, it is something one does with a stick, but, then, what the fuck is a stick?"
So Gorm and Kutcheck felt compelled to invent the stick right then and there and the rest is history.
Later on, one of them, I don't remember who, said: "Wait again! What the fuck is a minute !?!", but that is another, less important story.
Use a condom. I don't usually condone that sort of thing, since it feels so much nicer without one and fucking is to die for, but if your penis has fish scale-like properties, use a condom. Problem solved. Next.