Chronologically it was this way:
At midnight between the 7th and 8th of August Georgian regular army started heavy bombings of the villages and Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia full of people btw. The villages were wiped out. The city was destroyed. For about 15 hours there were only Georgian forces, the forces of defenders of South Ossetia, the peace keepers who could not do anything but watch, and civilians who were taken by surprise. About 2000 non-combatants were murdered by the bombardments, the city hospital was ruined. There were losses among the peace keepers. The hell lasted about 15 hours when the at last Russian forces approached Tskhinvali. They were really welcomed because Georgians' military turned out to be very ruthless. Words fail to describe the atrocities by the Georgian military.
Such upgrading in useless and breaks file formats compatibilities, I think it better to stay on windows XP so far, since it is tested and more or less reliable. And explore linux desktop distributions as an alternative.
Too many desktop things suffer from US patents like font rendering or some music formats playing. I wonder how long will it take for all to understand it and do something simple: either abolish patents for algorithms or move projects to a free country to be able to do with a source code whatever we want.
Russia will never be a replica of the US. It's too big. While the European part has a liking for a democratic state, the South tends to prefer a more traditional way. Let alone there are primitive tribes in northern and eastern parts of the country which are hardly aware of all the politics in the center. And the state is supposed to protect its citizens both home and abroad regardless of their development. But on the whole Russia is a democratic state. Last Duma elections were held among more than 20 parties including United Russia, Communists, Rodina, Zhirinovky party, Yabloko, URF and others (BTW in the US there are only two worth saying, and W. Bush was not really elected but appointed president in the court, very democratic indeed;-).All formalities for democracy in Russia has been fulfilled: the majority rules by elections.
Well, there are people believing in Santa Claus, there are ones believing that Putin sponsored cyberattacks on Estonian servers and "assault" on the Estonian Embassy while reality is simpler than it seems: the people were so agitated about all this indecent behavior of the Estonian government towards the fallen soldiers and about the disrespect for peoples' wishes. The poll taken by Eesti Paevaleht, an Estonian newspaper, showed that 44% were against the removal of the monument and only 38% were pro. Again democracy just thrives in there.;-)
Speaking of minorities, the Russian population in Estonia is 25-30%. Not that few. More than a quoter of all the population, though the government thinks of every way to reduce that percentage, trying to make Estonia for Estonians. You are right, the Russians from Estonia would be welcomed home, since most of them are mobile and intellectual people.
As for Chechnya, you may forget about it for the next 200 years;-). At the moment the Chechen people enjoy peace. Thank God the war is over. And that wound is being healed. Don't attack Ramzan or existing problems there, or else it will be regarded as your desire to continue the war.
"LOL, sounds like some propaganda you might hear on Russian TV. Self defining anti-Americanism mixed with rabid paranoia. Get over it, if Georgia or Ukraine wants to join NATO, it's their choice, not Russia's. And who cares about Russia's desire for stability and maintaining it's former influence. It's not like Russia ever does anything good for the world (Just for you - just because Russia doesn't do shit, doesn't mean I think USA or Europe are doing a lot of good), in terms of global politics Russia rarely sends real peace keeping troops. It only sends 'peace-keeping troops' in regions that are deemed strategically important like Abhazia, Kosovo and South Ossetia. You'd never see Russians try and help stabilize Afghanistan or Congo. Russia almost always support undemocratic regimes form central Asia to North Korea and Iran."
This needs commenting. First. I don't know about all Georgia's wanting to join NATO, but Ukraine definitely does not. Inquire for yourself, it's true. It's again a matter of democracy, while the people want to stay away from NATO, some of the government pushes the issue. Second. Russian peace keepers are always doing a very important task to preserve peace (= save lives) wherever they are ordered to be. Russia supports peace above all.
A point about democracy. Didn't you ever think that people could be quite happy with a traditional form of government? You, Americans, could be nice guys if you minded your own business and not tried to reform the rest of the world according to your viewpoints, mostly limited and false.
Whatever you say, whatever they say, in Russia such words from abroad may be listened to, but hardly taken to thorough consideration for one important reason: Russia has thrown away the ideological chains of communism, there are no false aims or goals any more, she will do whatever she sees necessary. Her policy both foreign and internal is accounted for by her interests, mainly economic. And those interests will be pursued to the utmost extent. It is being capitalist. The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. Nowadays Russia does not have enemies (except terrorists of course) , only competitors. And allies. But what's more important allies in one industry are rivals in another and vice versa. And it's an excellent interrelation.
As for the media and how it covers the news I again saw what I had seen before: the media showed only what mattered to the audience. The western media was mute about Estonian events as if nothing happened. There is no need for censorship, have ignorant or self-centered audience and no one knows the truth. Such media will hardly tell you the truth about the tension that happened between Estonia and Russia. Which is simple: Estonian government does their best to interfere with Russia's building the tube, the oil pipe line across the Baltic. Conflict of interests. And of course Russia is destined to protect her compatriots even if they reside in that country or somewhere else. And don't accuse me of BS about Nazis in Estonia. You have not seen it but it is there: SS veterans and their followers march in the streets openly.
Much the same goes with Georgia and Poland. Russia doesn't profit from importing rotten re-exported meat, cheep wine and other stuff like that. That causes almost all the conflicts with them.
As for your attitude to the language issue then, try to suggest forbidding French (or English) in Canada and see the result;-)
My dear quarter brother, you are lucky enough, you can be a bridge between two worlds and you can look and see more broadly than an average American, a Russian or Ukrainian can ever do. Only making conclusions please don't jump to them. And remember Russia is not a melting pot like the USA, it is a great project to try to co-exist peacefully being one country consisting of many nations. Russia is not the USSR, and as well, Russia is not only Moscow and the Orthodox church, but much-much more. It's a difficult task to preserve cultural diversity and to be one country at the same time. You can't expect immediate improvements with such a big country. Things are developing gradually. For that development Russia needs Peace, that is why it will suppress any violence within and will try to maintain peace abroad. That's why from now on neither the USA, nor other countries will get a free hand or a carte blanche to make war. That sounds nice.
P.S. A point about homosexuality. You can't expect the majority to be bothered by the minority's problems. At least the proportion (or percentage) of this attention should remain steady, or else I'm afraid the minority will suffer rather than profit from it.;-)
As for the given link, try to learn the difference between occasional
crimes committed by individuals and nationalistic domestic policy
like we see in Estonia (closing Russian schools, prohibition of the Language, reviving SS).
And then remember that you speak of Russia, a great country with over
145 000 000 population and over 180 different peoples (nationalities)
who try to live in one country and at the same time save
their cultures independent. A suggestion of nazism in Russia is very odd.
The US is a great country too, only a person there rarely truly cares where he comes from, he is an American after all.
Leave democracy to yourself (you're about to lose it at home) and let others preserve diversity of cultures, languages, various ways of life.
Though I'm in doubt of your ability to perceive it. You've mix it all up, names, places, causes and consequences, let alone you forget about the overwhelming life complexity. And in addition you've just accused the Russians of Nazism, the people who lost more than 20 000 000 lives in WW2 against German Nazism.
These anti-missile systems are nothing. The problem is that there was a promise made by NATO not to move all these staff to Russian borders. The word is broken. Yet again. It's more important.
P.S. Imagine for a moment that Russian missiles again in Cuba. Do others as you would like them to do to you. The military had better search for a play ground somewhere else than around Russia.
If you ignore it, there will be a much lesser motivation to defend the legal rights of the overseas companies. Actually, ignore it, please. The MS pressure when they hunt for pirates even in schools will get milder.
From 1930--1953 in Gulag according to verified data there were 6,5 million as prisoners there. Total number. The rest of your saying is not true also. As for humorous part, you'll surprised Russia has little to do with this. It was a common tragedy of all the USSR including Georgia, Ukraine, Belorissia, Armenia, and others. Stalin was Georgian and his government was quite international. They were condemned. Don't pin the blame on Russia. Have wits to tell Russia from The USSR.
Since it's irrelevant to the topic don't expect me to go on with it.
You may disagree with what I say, you may hold whatever false views, you may utter your worthless words about sacred notions, but for one thing: fascism is not tolerated and never will be. Massive DDOS attacks and simple pings were just a result almost involuntary and predictable. I am sorry you're on the one side with your government. Neighbors should understand each other but it seems you don't give a damn, it's up to you, really. Adieu. Enjoy surfing;-)
Dear fellow, since our countries are neighbors there is only one possible option. That is to have honest relationships. The war is over, we are not enemies unless of course you don't revive the shadows of past. No one doubts that you are an independent, sovereign state. But fascism is impossible to reconcile with, sorry. It is a crime against humanity and you've got to speak up as open and straightforward as possible to condemn it.
I can't live up to this, can you? http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4 4601140/#mainImageLink
Tallinn the monument was moved in good conditions to a cemetry.
First all media declared the monument to be withdrawn and destroyed like only barbarians could do; that's why the agony and resentment has been so acute; the Estonian government was compared to the taliban gorillas who had fought against ancient artifacts;
You'd better stop spreading lies about casualties; Naturally Nazis didn't kill Estonians since the latter were their allies; The Soviet occupation was rather mild as compared to what had been done to civilians by SS criminals. I remind you then whole villages were burned down including women and children in Belorussia. Instead of being honest in repentance I can see only the self-indulgence in their government.
But that has little to do with the DDOS attacks, better mind Esstonian modern politics.
The point is not in History here, History is painful and questionable. The point is present, the fact is that they - the gov. and their followers - are proud to be fascists' heirs.
Who blames the entire nation? Estonian goverment makes/helps raise monuments to SS soldiers, justifies the alliance with germans. That is the blame. Half of the Europe was under Hitler, but rare birds helped him so enthusiastically gathering regular forces. But it is of little importance now, but the position itself of the Esstonean goverment is clear enough.
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/
During WW2 Estonia was German ally. German SS and police units, with Estonian auxiliaries, massacred the Jews of Estonia and others. They established concentration camps where they burned and gunned down Latvians, Belarussians, Ukrainians,Russians and Jews.
_These_days_ Estonian govermnent recognize Latvian waffen SS divisions as heroes and threaten to destroy monumets made to commemorate the victory over fascism.
Why not move free projects outside of the US, let's say, to Europe? Patents for algorithms are not valid in the rest of the world. Should the projects be in free countries we are no longer bound by this stupidity and can do whatever we want with the source code.
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Imho there's no terrorists online. They are out there off-line.It's very convenient to sit before a computer doing nothing though, I understand.
these are just facts; sad but true; Saakashvili is insane to start the war.
Chronologically it was this way: At midnight between the 7th and 8th of August Georgian regular army started heavy bombings of the villages and Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia full of people btw. The villages were wiped out. The city was destroyed. For about 15 hours there were only Georgian forces, the forces of defenders of South Ossetia, the peace keepers who could not do anything but watch, and civilians who were taken by surprise. About 2000 non-combatants were murdered by the bombardments, the city hospital was ruined. There were losses among the peace keepers. The hell lasted about 15 hours when the at last Russian forces approached Tskhinvali. They were really welcomed because Georgians' military turned out to be very ruthless. Words fail to describe the atrocities by the Georgian military.
Such upgrading in useless and breaks file formats compatibilities, I think it better to stay on windows XP so far, since it is tested and more or less reliable. And explore linux desktop distributions as an alternative.
Too many desktop things suffer from US patents like font rendering or some music formats playing. I wonder how long will it take for all to understand it and do something simple: either abolish patents for algorithms or move projects to a free country to be able to do with a source code whatever we want.
The USA profit from war. They can't go on without FUD they make around the world.
Russia will never be a replica of the US. It's too big. While the European part has a liking for a democratic state, the South tends to prefer a more traditional way. Let alone there are primitive tribes in northern and eastern parts of the country which are hardly aware of all the politics in the center. And the state is supposed to protect its citizens both home and abroad regardless of their development. But on the whole Russia is a democratic state. Last Duma elections were held among more than 20 parties including United Russia, Communists, Rodina, Zhirinovky party, Yabloko, URF and others (BTW in the US there are only two worth saying, and W. Bush was not really elected but appointed president in the court, very democratic indeed ;-).All formalities for democracy in Russia has been fulfilled: the majority rules by elections.
;-). At the moment the Chechen people enjoy peace. Thank God the war is over. And that wound is being healed. Don't attack Ramzan or existing problems there, or else it will be regarded as your desire to continue the war.
Well, there are people believing in Santa Claus, there are ones believing that Putin sponsored cyberattacks on Estonian servers and "assault" on the Estonian Embassy while reality is simpler than it seems: the people were so agitated about all this indecent behavior of the Estonian government towards the fallen soldiers and about the disrespect for peoples' wishes. The poll taken by Eesti Paevaleht, an Estonian newspaper, showed that 44% were against the removal of the monument and only 38% were pro. Again democracy just thrives in there.;-)
Speaking of minorities, the Russian population in Estonia is 25-30%. Not that few. More than a quoter of all the population, though the government thinks of every way to reduce that percentage, trying to make Estonia for Estonians. You are right, the Russians from Estonia would be welcomed home, since most of them are mobile and intellectual people.
As for Chechnya, you may forget about it for the next 200 years
"LOL, sounds like some propaganda you might hear on Russian TV. Self defining anti-Americanism mixed with rabid paranoia. Get over it, if Georgia or Ukraine wants to join NATO, it's their choice, not Russia's. And who cares about Russia's desire for stability and maintaining it's former influence. It's not like Russia ever does anything good for the world (Just for you - just because Russia doesn't do shit, doesn't mean I think USA or Europe are doing a lot of good), in terms of global politics Russia rarely sends real peace keeping troops. It only sends 'peace-keeping troops' in regions that are deemed strategically important like Abhazia, Kosovo and South Ossetia. You'd never see Russians try and help stabilize Afghanistan or Congo. Russia almost always support undemocratic regimes form central Asia to North Korea and Iran."
This needs commenting. First. I don't know about all Georgia's wanting to join NATO, but Ukraine definitely does not. Inquire for yourself, it's true. It's again a matter of democracy, while the people want to stay away from NATO, some of the government pushes the issue. Second. Russian peace keepers are always doing a very important task to preserve peace (= save lives) wherever they are ordered to be. Russia supports peace above all.
A point about democracy. Didn't you ever think that people could be quite happy with a traditional form of government? You, Americans, could be nice guys if you minded your own business and not tried to reform the rest of the world according to your viewpoints, mostly limited and false.
Whatever you say, whatever they say, in Russia such words from abroad may be listened to, but hardly taken to thorough consideration for one important reason: Russia has thrown away the ideological chains of communism, there are no false aims or goals any more, she will do whatever she sees necessary. Her policy both foreign and internal is accounted for by her interests, mainly economic. And those interests will be pursued to the utmost extent. It is being capitalist. The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. Nowadays Russia does not have enemies (except terrorists of course) , only competitors. And allies. But what's more important allies in one industry are rivals in another and vice versa. And it's an excellent interrelation.
;-)
;-)
As for the media and how it covers the news I again saw what I had seen before: the media showed only what mattered to the audience. The western media was mute about Estonian events as if nothing happened. There is no need for censorship, have ignorant or self-centered audience and no one knows the truth. Such media will hardly tell you the truth about the tension that happened between Estonia and Russia. Which is simple: Estonian government does their best to interfere with Russia's building the tube, the oil pipe line across the Baltic. Conflict of interests. And of course Russia is destined to protect her compatriots even if they reside in that country or somewhere else. And don't accuse me of BS about Nazis in Estonia. You have not seen it but it is there: SS veterans and their followers march in the streets openly.
Much the same goes with Georgia and Poland. Russia doesn't profit from importing rotten re-exported meat, cheep wine and other stuff like that. That causes almost all the conflicts with them.
As for your attitude to the language issue then, try to suggest forbidding French (or English) in Canada and see the result
My dear quarter brother,
you are lucky enough, you can be a bridge between two worlds and you can look and see more broadly than an average American, a Russian or Ukrainian can ever do. Only making conclusions please don't jump to them. And remember Russia is not a melting pot like the USA, it is a great project to try to co-exist peacefully being one country consisting of many nations. Russia is not the USSR, and as well, Russia is not only Moscow and the Orthodox church, but much-much more. It's a difficult task to preserve cultural diversity and to be one country at the same time. You can't expect immediate improvements with such a big country. Things are developing gradually. For that development Russia needs Peace, that is why it will suppress any violence within and will try to maintain peace abroad. That's why from now on neither the USA, nor other countries will get a free hand or a carte blanche to make war. That sounds nice.
P.S. A point about homosexuality. You can't expect the majority to be bothered by the minority's problems. At least the proportion (or percentage) of this attention should remain steady, or else I'm afraid the minority will suffer rather than profit from it.
As for the given link, try to learn the difference between occasional crimes committed by individuals and nationalistic domestic policy like we see in Estonia (closing Russian schools, prohibition of the Language, reviving SS).
And then remember that you speak of Russia, a great country with over 145 000 000 population and over 180 different peoples (nationalities) who try to live in one country and at the same time save their cultures independent. A suggestion of nazism in Russia is very odd.
The US is a great country too, only a person there rarely truly cares where he comes from, he is an American after all.
RIAA has got a pretty nice way of making money: bullying innocent people; I suggest imposing a just 100 per cent tax on them and their business.
Leave democracy to yourself (you're about to lose it at home) and let others preserve diversity of cultures, languages, various ways of life.
Though I'm in doubt of your ability to perceive it. You've mix it all up, names, places, causes and consequences, let alone you forget about the overwhelming life complexity. And in addition you've just accused the Russians of Nazism, the people who lost more than 20 000 000 lives in WW2 against German Nazism.
Should you be a quater Russian you'd prefer to shoot yourself rather than to suggest supporting merciless terrorists. You know nothing of Russia.
These anti-missile systems are nothing. The problem is that
there was a promise made by NATO not to move all these staff to Russian borders. The word is broken. Yet again. It's more important.
P.S. Imagine for a moment that Russian missiles again in Cuba. Do others as you would like them to do to you. The military had better search for a play ground somewhere else than around Russia.
If you ignore it, there will be a much lesser motivation to defend the legal rights of the overseas companies. Actually, ignore it, please. The MS pressure when they hunt for pirates even in schools will get milder.
From 1930--1953 in Gulag according to verified data there were 6,5 million as prisoners there. Total number. The rest of your saying is not true also. As for humorous part, you'll surprised Russia has little to do with this. It was a common tragedy of all the USSR including Georgia, Ukraine, Belorissia, Armenia, and others. Stalin was Georgian and his government was quite international. They were condemned. Don't pin the blame on Russia. Have wits to tell Russia from The USSR.
Since it's irrelevant to the topic don't expect me to go on with it.
You may disagree with what I say, you may hold whatever false views, you may utter your worthless words about sacred notions, but for one thing: fascism is not tolerated and never will be. Massive DDOS attacks and simple pings were just a result almost involuntary and predictable. I am sorry you're on the one side with your government. Neighbors should understand each other but it seems you don't give a damn, it's up to you, really. Adieu. Enjoy surfing ;-)
Oh, you won't give in. Good. Who kids from "Nashi" killed or burned? No one I Know of. Wanna see the faces of murderers? http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4624283 5/#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4624297 1/#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4624284 2/#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4624295 2/#mainImageLink
Quite ordinary faces really
here are their victims:
klooga - concentration camp - maintained with the help of Estonians
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4520854 2/#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4520854 3/#mainImageLink
If you see some blanks or spaces in the url, delete them please
Dear fellow,
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since our countries are neighbors there is only one possible option. That is to have honest relationships. The war is over, we are not enemies unless of course you don't revive the shadows of past. No one doubts that you are an independent, sovereign state. But fascism is impossible to reconcile with, sorry. It is a crime against humanity and you've got to speak up as open and straightforward as possible to condemn it.
I can't live up to this, can you?
http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/
First all media declared the monument to be withdrawn and destroyed like only barbarians could do; that's why the agony and resentment has been so acute; the Estonian government was compared to the taliban gorillas who had fought against ancient artifacts;
You'd better stop spreading lies about casualties; Naturally Nazis didn't kill Estonians since the latter were their allies; The Soviet occupation was rather mild as compared to what had been done to civilians by SS criminals. I remind you then whole villages were burned down including women and children in Belorussia. Instead of being honest in repentance I can see only the self-indulgence in their government.
But that has little to do with the DDOS attacks, better mind Esstonian modern politics.
Here they are: http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/4460112 3/#breadcr
The point is not in History here, History is painful and questionable. The point is present, the fact is that they - the gov. and their followers - are proud to be fascists' heirs.
Who blames the entire nation? Estonian goverment makes/helps raise monuments to SS soldiers, justifies the alliance with germans. That is the blame. Half of the Europe was under Hitler, but rare birds helped him so enthusiastically gathering regular forces. But it is of little importance now, but the position itself of the Esstonean goverment is clear enough. http://photofile.ru/users/stopnazi/2444938/
During WW2 Estonia was German ally. German SS and police units, with Estonian auxiliaries, massacred the Jews of Estonia and others. They established concentration camps where they burned and gunned down Latvians, Belarussians, Ukrainians,Russians and Jews. _These_days_ Estonian govermnent recognize Latvian waffen SS divisions as heroes and threaten to destroy monumets made to commemorate the victory over fascism.
Why not move free projects outside of the US, let's say, to Europe? Patents for algorithms are not valid in the rest of the world. Should the projects be in free countries we are no longer bound by this stupidity and can do whatever we want with the source code.