Politicians often argue that people shouldn't get involved in elected office because of lack of experience, though lack of knowledge or judgment doesn't seem to be an issue.
Many times when companies die (for legal reasons) the Management just creates a new company. I'm sure they could re-emerge as a patent Troll funded by Microsoft. BTW you can't kill the unDead.
You offer no proof that online interaction is better than face-to-face interaction yet YOU comment as if you were an expert.
There is no reason to offer any proof because I made no claims to that argument. Again because you can't think of anything intelligent to say you come back with another Troll. To highlight your poor communication abilities you also call be an "asshole". You sound as intelligent (NOT!) as many of the jocks I knew throughout school. If you'd spend more time educating yourself instead of Trolling or playing sports than maybe we can have an intelligent conversation.
Or the Dancing Baby (though I'm afraid it's likely to be thought of as child pornography these days). And frames, man I miss frames. And the lame attempts at DRM, like making the first 80 lines or so of a Web page's source code filled with carriage returns and stopping right-click functionality through Javascript (though the real keeners would obfuscate their code with HTML character entities [which seldom happened]). But the auto-loading music was a classic that turned many a parent off. Yep I guess that would be illegal now a days do to DMCA take down notices. And the proliferation of amateur "hacker" sites on those free services before they started cracking down on anything politically incorrect.
As I've just stated to an AC, "I've got nothing wrong with "balance". I was merely pointing out and emphasizing the logical discrepancies in the parent's arguments."
As with most of the people I commented to, they very obviously haven't bothered to read the study or article to which they are commenting. It's an obvious case of people spending more time to "socialize" (and yes, through the computer) by chatting, complaining, bitching, Trolling and typing out their own prejudices on Slashdot and not enough time educating themselves. Of course, as with Slashdot, there's always the inevitable garbage-in-garbage-out problem. Some people are not capable of learning anything more than the superficial.
As for sports, I've always found the unstructured informal soccer or street hockey to be much more enjoyable and less dangerous than anything that is parent or coach supervised. It's a moral allegory that was brought up in an old cartoon series called The Flintstones one time with baseball.
You're so dumb you think I'm a teenager and you're so insecure that you still need to Troll (and as an AC even). You are pathetic. I was giving you advice and you hand me back insults. That's not very bright.
Like they're going to have to do, say, in school and in the workplace? You must simply be a troll.
A Troll referring to a reasonable argument as a Troll. You offer no proof that physical face to face interaction is better than online interaction and yet you comment as if you were an expert.
Quick, somebody do the research, find out which (or how many) of the game companies these people were paid by to do this so-called "study".
The only comment I have here is that it is amazing how many Trolls in this discussion get modded up. And yes like I pointed out to another Troll this study has virtually nothing to do with gaming and it wasn't sponsored by game companies. But like most unintelligent Trolls you probably didn't even look at the study before commenting on it.
It's healthy for boys to bloody each other up now and again. It's healthy for girls to get some real world attention instead of having to whore it out from faceless crowds of the blogotron.
and
Saying that spending 8 hours a day messaging their friends on facespace is helping them develop skills for a technical world is 100% bullshit, and you should be mature enough to recognize that -- just like how watching TV for 8 hours a day won't turn anyone into an electrical engineer or media executive. It will build up the skill of wasting your life away much faster than it will build any of the other skills that might be fertilized by what that media type has to offer.
etc, etc.
Every time you say something you are not just Trolling, you are showing off your ignorance and lack of intelligence. You probably have no idea that you portray yourself as just another ignorant asshole. I've met people like you before and quite frankly I think you are a hopeless case.
Instead of commenting on each and every logical fallacy that you brought up I will just give you a suggestion; educate yourself before saying anything, and after spending time learning about child psychology, logic, communication, sociology, and English skills I want you to review everything you say at least three times before saying it. Try to find and correct any fallacious statements on your own before people like me notice them. In real life most people won't point out your foibles but will just let you continue being what you are. They will laugh behind your back and they will gossip about you.
Take my advice seriously and with due diligence and you will thank me for it.
When you see girls quitting their ballet classes because they want to sit on Myspace for all 8 hours of their free time, that's not socially healthy.
Wrong. Wasting time with ballet is socially unhealthy. Not only is ballet (or other "sports") incompatible with any type of quality or intelligent communication, ballet itself is very unnatural and harmful to the feet.
When kids don't want to go out and play football because "It's easier to just play Madden, and it doesn't hurt!" that's not healthy either.
Ironic that you mentioned football because that is one of the most physically unhealthy sports that children (and adults) can do. If you think pain is healthy and you actually get modded up for these type of comments it really depresses me because it demonstrates how backwards our society is.
Every hour they spend sitting on their social networking sites is syphoned from the time they could be speaking to people face to face, doing homework (or engaging in some other form of learning), doing ANYTHING outside, or doing anything constructive.
Wrong. Being on social networking sites is constructive. It is one of the most productive ways of doing homework because children can much more easily and instantly share ideas and solutions.
Even the study mentions obsessive, addicted individuals with a smile and a wink thinking it's cute that:
two dating 17-year olds... wake up and immediately instant message each other, then switch to mobile phones while on route to campus, then send text messages during class. After spending time together doing homework, they talk on the phone or send text messages
Well this here is the fault of the moderator. It's an obvious Troll and yet you still get bumped up. The teenagers where both socializing and being very productive and yet you portray this as being somehow bad.
It's sickening to see people spend all their time on sites doing absolutely nothing, wondering why everyone's getting fat, lonely, depressed, and socially anxious.
Another Troll. Your emotional appeals are noted.
Moderation needs to be brought to people's lives, and not through oversaturation (I can only spend x number of minutes doing this, because I have to do x number of other things today!) but through self discipline (I'm spending x number of minutes doing this, because there are better things I could be doing with my time.... but I deserve this break.)
Another Troll; trying to equate being online with obsessive compulsive disorder and anti-social behaviour. It's ironic that you yourself are online and commiting anti-social behaviour by Trolling. Your behavior is very Shakespearian.
This study, sponsored by Blizzard, is indeed full of bias.
You're a poor Troll and an outright liar. Blizzard had nothing to do with the study, and video games were only a marginal part of the study. Though I doubt you even bother to read the study or the Web site containing the summary.
FYI the study involved "online gaming, creative writing, video editing, or other artistic endeavors" as well as "Self-Directed, Peer-Based [online] Learning" and "families who created digitial projects together". I don't remember Blizzard being mentioned in the credits, the copyright, nor in any part of the study.
The ironic thing is that you make it sound like fighting against "rampant racism, sexism, classism, and homophobia" is something that is bad.
You also make it sound like "advocate gun control, juvenile justice reform, alternatives to incarceration for criminals, low-rent housing for the poor" and "gay rights" are somehow bad.
You also make it sound like "oppose Social Security privatization... [and] and the U.S. military's development of an anti-missile defense system." is something bad.
If you wouldn't have said "I wouldn't trust anything they say." I would have thought you were giving a compliment to the MacArthur Foundation.
You are either a Troll or a fascist. I'm hoping you are just a Troll. It would be scary to think you actually believe fascism is good.
As long as it's balanced with real life "social networking" online interaction is beneficial. But if the next generation of young people enter the real world knowing nothing but how to text each other, run a successful WoW raid and manage friends on Facebook, we're looking at an epidemic of cognitive dissonance.
Social networking can be just as dysfunctional offline as online. Once again I see demonstrated a prejudice to the online world. I've found "real life" and the "real world" concepts that have epidemic cognitive dissonance associated with them. Variety is often nice and sometimes useful however. I've generally found the online world to be more intelligent and safer. One can at least turn off a computer, ignore or ban a Troll or bully; it's much more difficult in "real" life. At least when I was a kid parents or teachers (or the law for that matter) did very little about this; these days (it seems) like the law and society are over-reacting. Intelligence is often hard to find, but the Internet makes it easier.
Since it's obvious that you haven't been modded up in either of your comments I will just say that you are correct (though I disagree that either "pot" or television are negative influences). The AC is being hypocritical by feeling the need to post as an AC, for Trolling, and for demonstrating his own prejudices.
You don't seem to get it. Playing something like Civilization or SimCity doesn't (necessarily) directly teach utilitarian skills for the work place, but then again neither does much of anything children learn in a formal educational environment (aside from a few geeks very little of what people actually learn will be directly utilized in the workforce).
Something like how playing a guitar has proven to improve mathematical proficiency (i.e. pattern recognition) and hearing ability (perfect pitch for example is much more common amongst people who have learned to play at an early age)
What can be learned (however unintentionally) from playing video games are things like: - strategy - tactics - planning - hand-eye coordination - reflexes - visual acuity - cooperation - diplomacy - physics (I'm thinking of gravity type games like lunar landers) - pattern recognition - logic - etc
Playing video games is at least more interactive than Cable in the Classroom.
Slashdot Mirror
What's PETAs stand on human cruelty?
Don't quote me on this, but I believe that they are against the eating of human beings.
I'd like to see their reaction to the violent killing of humans.
There's already too much human-on-human violence in this world.
Politicians often argue that people shouldn't get involved in elected office because of lack of experience, though lack of knowledge or judgment doesn't seem to be an issue.
Many times when companies die (for legal reasons) the Management just creates a new company. I'm sure they could re-emerge as a patent Troll funded by Microsoft. BTW you can't kill the unDead.
Of course, they need money to do that and they don't really have much of that any more.
They could always apply for a government bailout package.
"wooosh...", like as in to go over one's head? I'm guessing here. That's the first time I've actually used that word.
I'm not even sure what "wooosh..." means (I've never been able to find a formal definition. It seemed appropriate though (it sounded right).
You offer no proof that online interaction is better than face-to-face interaction yet YOU comment as if you were an expert.
There is no reason to offer any proof because I made no claims to that argument. Again because you can't think of anything intelligent to say you come back with another Troll. To highlight your poor communication abilities you also call be an "asshole". You sound as intelligent (NOT!) as many of the jocks I knew throughout school. If you'd spend more time educating yourself instead of Trolling or playing sports than maybe we can have an intelligent conversation.
and hamsters.....remember the hamsters.
wooosh...
Or the Dancing Baby (though I'm afraid it's likely to be thought of as child pornography these days).
And frames, man I miss frames.
And the lame attempts at DRM, like making the first 80 lines or so of a Web page's source code filled with carriage returns and stopping right-click functionality through Javascript (though the real keeners would obfuscate their code with HTML character entities [which seldom happened]). But the auto-loading music was a classic that turned many a parent off. Yep I guess that would be illegal now a days do to DMCA take down notices. And the proliferation of amateur "hacker" sites on those free services before they started cracking down on anything politically incorrect.
Thanks for the nostalgia -:)
As I've just stated to an AC, "I've got nothing wrong with "balance". I was merely pointing out and emphasizing the logical discrepancies in the parent's arguments."
As with most of the people I commented to, they very obviously haven't bothered to read the study or article to which they are commenting. It's an obvious case of people spending more time to "socialize" (and yes, through the computer) by chatting, complaining, bitching, Trolling and typing out their own prejudices on Slashdot and not enough time educating themselves. Of course, as with Slashdot, there's always the inevitable garbage-in-garbage-out problem. Some people are not capable of learning anything more than the superficial.
As for sports, I've always found the unstructured informal soccer or street hockey to be much more enjoyable and less dangerous than anything that is parent or coach supervised. It's a moral allegory that was brought up in an old cartoon series called The Flintstones one time with baseball.
Best regards,
UTW
I've got nothing wrong with "balance". I was merely pointing out and emphasizing the logical discrepancies in the parent's arguments.
You're so dumb you think I'm a teenager and you're so insecure that you still need to Troll (and as an AC even). You are pathetic. I was giving you advice and you hand me back insults. That's not very bright.
Like they're going to have to do, say, in school and in the workplace? You must simply be a troll.
A Troll referring to a reasonable argument as a Troll. You offer no proof that physical face to face interaction is better than online interaction and yet you comment as if you were an expert.
Quick, somebody do the research, find out which (or how many) of the game companies these people were paid by to do this so-called "study".
The only comment I have here is that it is amazing how many Trolls in this discussion get modded up. And yes like I pointed out to another Troll this study has virtually nothing to do with gaming and it wasn't sponsored by game companies. But like most unintelligent Trolls you probably didn't even look at the study before commenting on it.
It's healthy for boys to bloody each other up now and again. It's healthy for girls to get some real world attention instead of having to whore it out from faceless crowds of the blogotron.
and
Saying that spending 8 hours a day messaging their friends on facespace is helping them develop skills for a technical world is 100% bullshit, and you should be mature enough to recognize that -- just like how watching TV for 8 hours a day won't turn anyone into an electrical engineer or media executive. It will build up the skill of wasting your life away much faster than it will build any of the other skills that might be fertilized by what that media type has to offer.
etc, etc.
Every time you say something you are not just Trolling, you are showing off your ignorance and lack of intelligence. You probably have no idea that you portray yourself as just another ignorant asshole. I've met people like you before and quite frankly I think you are a hopeless case.
Instead of commenting on each and every logical fallacy that you brought up I will just give you a suggestion; educate yourself before saying anything, and after spending time learning about child psychology, logic, communication, sociology, and English skills I want you to review everything you say at least three times before saying it. Try to find and correct any fallacious statements on your own before people like me notice them. In real life most people won't point out your foibles but will just let you continue being what you are. They will laugh behind your back and they will gossip about you.
Take my advice seriously and with due diligence and you will thank me for it.
Best regards,
UTW
When you see girls quitting their ballet classes because they want to sit on Myspace for all 8 hours of their free time, that's not socially healthy.
Wrong. Wasting time with ballet is socially unhealthy. Not only is ballet (or other "sports") incompatible with any type of quality or intelligent communication, ballet itself is very unnatural and harmful to the feet.
When kids don't want to go out and play football because "It's easier to just play Madden, and it doesn't hurt!" that's not healthy either.
Ironic that you mentioned football because that is one of the most physically unhealthy sports that children (and adults) can do. If you think pain is healthy and you actually get modded up for these type of comments it really depresses me because it demonstrates how backwards our society is.
Every hour they spend sitting on their social networking sites is syphoned from the time they could be speaking to people face to face, doing homework (or engaging in some other form of learning), doing ANYTHING outside, or doing anything constructive.
Wrong. Being on social networking sites is constructive. It is one of the most productive ways of doing homework because children can much more easily and instantly share ideas and solutions.
Even the study mentions obsessive, addicted individuals with a smile and a wink thinking it's cute that:
two dating 17-year olds ... wake up and immediately instant message each other, then switch to mobile phones while on route to campus, then send text messages during class. After spending time together doing homework, they talk on the phone or send text messages
Well this here is the fault of the moderator. It's an obvious Troll and yet you still get bumped up. The teenagers where both socializing and being very productive and yet you portray this as being somehow bad.
It's sickening to see people spend all their time on sites doing absolutely nothing, wondering why everyone's getting fat, lonely, depressed, and socially anxious.
Another Troll. Your emotional appeals are noted.
Moderation needs to be brought to people's lives, and not through oversaturation (I can only spend x number of minutes doing this, because I have to do x number of other things today!) but through self discipline (I'm spending x number of minutes doing this, because there are better things I could be doing with my time.... but I deserve this break.)
Another Troll; trying to equate being online with obsessive compulsive disorder and anti-social behaviour. It's ironic that you yourself are online and commiting anti-social behaviour by Trolling. Your behavior is very Shakespearian.
I miss the blinking text and death metal that used to load up. Now a days kids are too stupid to make good quality sites like that.
Your comment is a cliche that is older than Jesus. Technology changes but old people still have the same prejudices.
Everything you talk about has to do with poor schooling and poor workplace training and management. Web 2.0 does not teach people to be uneducated.
This study, sponsored by Blizzard, is indeed full of bias.
You're a poor Troll and an outright liar. Blizzard had nothing to do with the study, and video games were only a marginal part of the study. Though I doubt you even bother to read the study or the Web site containing the summary.
FYI the study involved "online gaming, creative writing, video editing, or other artistic endeavors" as well as "Self-Directed, Peer-Based [online] Learning" and "families who created digitial projects together". I don't remember Blizzard being mentioned in the credits, the copyright, nor in any part of the study.
The ironic thing is that you make it sound like fighting against "rampant racism, sexism, classism, and homophobia" is something that is bad.
You also make it sound like "advocate gun control, juvenile justice reform, alternatives to incarceration for criminals, low-rent housing for the poor" and "gay rights" are somehow bad.
You also make it sound like "oppose Social Security privatization ... [and] and the U.S. military's development of an anti-missile defense system." is something bad.
If you wouldn't have said "I wouldn't trust anything they say." I would have thought you were giving a compliment to the MacArthur Foundation.
You are either a Troll or a fascist. I'm hoping you are just a Troll. It would be scary to think you actually believe fascism is good.
As long as it's balanced with real life "social networking" online interaction is beneficial. But if the next generation of young people enter the real world knowing nothing but how to text each other, run a successful WoW raid and manage friends on Facebook, we're looking at an epidemic of cognitive dissonance.
Social networking can be just as dysfunctional offline as online. Once again I see demonstrated a prejudice to the online world. I've found "real life" and the "real world" concepts that have epidemic cognitive dissonance associated with them. Variety is often nice and sometimes useful however. I've generally found the online world to be more intelligent and safer. One can at least turn off a computer, ignore or ban a Troll or bully; it's much more difficult in "real" life. At least when I was a kid parents or teachers (or the law for that matter) did very little about this; these days (it seems) like the law and society are over-reacting. Intelligence is often hard to find, but the Internet makes it easier.
Since it's obvious that you haven't been modded up in either of your comments I will just say that you are correct (though I disagree that either "pot" or television are negative influences). The AC is being hypocritical by feeling the need to post as an AC, for Trolling, and for demonstrating his own prejudices.
You don't seem to get it. Playing something like Civilization or SimCity doesn't (necessarily) directly teach utilitarian skills for the work place, but then again neither does much of anything children learn in a formal educational environment (aside from a few geeks very little of what people actually learn will be directly utilized in the workforce).
Something like how playing a guitar has proven to improve mathematical proficiency (i.e. pattern recognition) and hearing ability (perfect pitch for example is much more common amongst people who have learned to play at an early age)
What can be learned (however unintentionally) from playing video games are things like:
- strategy
- tactics
- planning
- hand-eye coordination
- reflexes
- visual acuity
- cooperation
- diplomacy
- physics (I'm thinking of gravity type games like lunar landers)
- pattern recognition
- logic
- etc
Playing video games is at least more interactive than Cable in the Classroom.