it won't work. People will boot to the 1st OS (as they don't want to select one and they will get annoyed if the 1st OS in the boot menu is not windows because they won't be able to leave the computer unattended to boot.
Sadly it's human nature to be lazy. The computer would need to select the correct OS by reading the user's thoughts before it would be viable.
So iirc. When I was but a young lad in school the teacher used to read books to us. I am guessing that by doing that she was breaking the law. As I got older teachers used to require us to read out loud sections of books in front of the class, was that forcing us to break the law?
imho when I purchase a book I purchase the right to enjoy the book in whatever format i desire. So if I wish to read out loud into a microphone, record my reading onto a tape and then at a later date I decide to listen to that recording that is my choice. I shouldn't have to go and buy the audio tape.
the same applies here, the person has purchase the e-book and if they so wish they can either read or listen to that book. At the end of the day the "book" has been paid for regardless of media used to listen to that copy.
I was going by widely adopted in the earlier versions and ignoring server/embeded versions With windows 2K iirc I don't think I ever saw a version other than Pro (excluding server)
So using that logic Linux is better than Windows by a large factor, after all we have more than 200 (being very conservative) distros.:D (sorry had to get that quick jibe in)
Anyhow I reakon the only version worth getting will be the professional version (bang for buck)
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Whereas the party of the first part, also known as "Lawyer", and the party of the second part, also known as "Light Bulb", do hereby and forthwith agree to a transaction wherein the party of the second part (Light Bulb) shall be removed from the current position as a result of failure to perform previously agreed upon duties, i. e. the lighting, elucidation, and otherwise illumination of the area ranging from the front (north) door, through the entryway, terminating at an area just inside the primary living area, demarcated by the beginning of the carpet, any spillover illumination being at the option of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) and not required by the aforementioned agreement between the parties.
The aforementioned removal transaction shall include, but not be limited to, the following steps:
1. The party of the first part (Lawyer) shall, with or without elevation at his option, by means of a chair, step stool, ladder or any other means of elevation, grasp the party of the second part (Light Bulb) and rotate the party of the second part (Light Bulb) in a counter-clockwise direction, this point being non-negotiable.
2. Upon reaching a point where the party of the second part (Light Bulb) becomes separated from the party of the third part ("Receptacle"), the party of the first part (Lawyer) shall have the option of disposing of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) in a manner consistent with all applicable state, local and federal statutes.
3. Once separation and disposal have been achieved, the party of the first part (Lawyer) shall have the option of beginning installation of the party of the fourth part ("New Light Bulb"). This installation shall occur in a manner consistent with the reverse of the procedures described in step one of this self-same document, being careful to note that the rotation should occur in a clockwise direction, this point also being non-negotiable.
Note: The above described steps may be performed, at the option of the party of the first part (Lawyer), by any or all persons authorized by him, the objective being to produce the most possible revenue for the party of the fifth part, also known as "Partnership."
If you can't work this out, you shouldn't be using a computer
Ahh I forgot Computers are only for People like us, you know Sys Admins & Engineers. Not anyone else. Certainly my parents couldn't work that out and they aren't techno-phobes.
a/ OEM installs one or more browsers of *their* choice, which must not be influenced by MS incentives. As OEMs already install and support various non-MS software this would present no problem at all. I'm sure some OEMs would already be installing Firefox if MS din't threaten their discounts etc.
Sorry but you are talking shit.No they wouldn't. They get NO incentive to install IE, it's part of the OS. Why would an OEM waste time (which is effectively money) installing a product on an OS that already ships with a similar product installed?
For example: 'but they'd have to include links to every crappy little browser with spyware etc.'. Well then, charge each company that wants their browser on the 'chooser' (say) $5000 to have it independantly spyware vetted and listed. That would probably cut the list down to less than 5-10.
Ahh so basically only companies ablee to afford that amount could have their's listed.. Hmm sounds like stiffling choice to me. Not so good for those free non-profit browsers. I suppose the list could have... IE and Netscape?
Why not? It stiffles competition, Why would you pay for a 3rd party ftp client when there is one built in? It is exactly the same as with IE.
Really? So people now are more stupid than they were in 1990?
No, However there are a hell of a lot more non-technial people using computers. So things need to be *made easy*. A good example (if slightly off topic) is the girl in the US that bought a dell laptop with ubuntu and is now trying to sue them or something to that effect (I can't remember the details) because she couldn't get some software to work. I also noticed that we now have network connections in the home that use ethernet between the modem & pc instead a a serial connection so drivers for the modem are pretty much obsolete, this in turn means less reason to ship a cd with the modem which means another avenue is closed to the distrubution of browsers.
Another issue of having others distribute browsers on behalf of the vendors is that there is no "auto upgrade" between versions of (for example) Firefox, so this means a OEM ships a CD with version 2 of Firefox the rest of us are on version 3. When version 2 goes out of support then poor Joe Bloggs is left without any patches creating a security risk. Whereas had he been using MS IE he would be on the most recent version (assuming that he runs windows updates using the recommended settings).
The very fact that music vendors can't assume everyone has the MS player means that they must offer more open formats. So you benefit even if you do use the MS player. If there was just one player it would be very easy for the RIAA/IFPI types to get MS to lock it down. It might not even play MP3s, or report all your music to some authority. Be grateful you can laugh at this as a paranoid fear now.
They could never have assumed due to itunes share of the digital market, mac users would have been left out. Also due to the mp3 revolution taking place with all of the mp3 players on the market again tying to a MS specifc model would have been pretty much impossible.
There are certainly plenty of problems with IE.
I never said there were no problems with IE, I just said that the OS shipping with a default browser wasn't the problem.
The whole point I am trying to make is that yes there should be choice, however there should also be a default option for those that don't care or don't know any better. People should only have to choose if they want to, but by removing IE from windows you are forcing people to choose which imo isn't any better than forcing them to use IE the 1st time they login.
So we are agruing about removing a free browser from an OS so that people have choice. Well sure the next logical step is that MS cannot ship with ftp after all smartftp, etc are being hurt by this practice, so in 2 years or so time you won't have FTP or a browser by default with the OS.
Also why should I as the user have to go to all that extra effort when all I want to is browse the web?
No, that is quite obvious to everyone. But if they don't care, then what's the problem with using another browser? It's just FUD.
Seeing as they don't care where is the problem with them using IE as shipped with the system? Why should they have to go to the extra effort just to look at bebo etc.
Who chooses what browser that gets shipped on OEM computers? After all if the OEM chooses one surely thats unfair to other browsers. And lets face it when buying from dell there are already more than enough options without adding one "Which browser do you want?"
Rubbish. IE is not any easier to use than any other browser. And someone that "un-savvy" will not be able to set up their computer by themself regardless. But if they have a browser and their bookmarks, it will work. I insist my daughter and wife use Firefox at home, and despite them both using IE at school and work, they can cope after a short period of bitching.
Ok, but I am gussing you went to www.getfirefox.com and clicked the link.. Or are you such a zealot that you used the ftp commandline?
The fact that MS includes IE is *NOT* the problem the problem is they are not RFC compliant, that is where the problem lies.
I remember about 1990 when you got a floppy with your modem.
Yea that's great, I remember that at one time asbestos was safe to use and smoking was good for you. Incase you hadn't noticed, it's now 2009 (19years later) things have moved on a bit.
Fact of the matter is, MS developed an OS that is very successful. It dumbs things down for the masses, and sometimes it even works. When I install an OS I expect certain things to "just work" out of the box.
When I install suse, ubuntu desktop or RHD I get a browser preinstalled surely that limits my free choice? In saying that I'd be annoyed at having to install it myself anyway as those are desktop versions. Now if I installed SLES, Ubuntu server or RHS then ok fair enough I don't expect to have a browser, indeed I am annoyed if I see a desktop.
Why are Netscape not complaining about Apple who ship the safari browser as standard with their systems? If I had to say which of those to I believed more "evil" I'd have said Apple after all everything right down to hardware is proprietary yet noone complains about that, iirc even with the intel based macs they have a limited set of supported hardware (though don't quote me on this as I only have a G4.
Living in the UK I have access to windows xp N, but when I was buying copy of windows do you think I bought that one or the normal one? (both priced the same). Indeed I just got the regular version because to do otherwise would have just been spiteful and more hassle for me, I don't particularly care what I use to play my music on those rare occassions that I do.
The problem with that analogy is that every single bar of soap has a cost associated with it due to the materials used in its making. Music on the other hand has a 1 time cost (the cost to pay the band for that song) after that there is no cost per copy of the song. 10million people could pirate a copy of that song but the record company are only out (assuming 100% piracy) the cost of paying the band for that song the cost does not rise. However 10million people stealing 1 bar of soap at a value of £0.10 per bar quick adds up.
Piracy does not cost the RIAA anything except profit. Their operating costs do not rise because of it nor are there any materials used to "make" that song.
The company you buy the HDD from? or the one you buy your gfx card from?
Who meets the cost for the CD/USB drive?
Do I have to pay for it separate?
Is it included in the price of a component thereby raising that components price?
Why would the likes of scan.co.uk care if I have a browser if all I am buying from them is a keyboard?
I am not saying there shouldn't be choice, however I think people need to stop being zealots and get off their high horses. If I want a new browser I just browse to a site in IE and download it. The I stop using IE.
Thinking on it I think windows should offer a choice of 3rd party window managers and by not letting us they are restricting competition so MS windows should ship without a UI.
With regards to OEMs bundling the browser are they going to be forced to bundle Netscape? After all giving away a free browser isn't very competition friendly
What some people here seem to miss is that *most* people do not care which browser they use as long as they can get to the maybe 10 sites they regularly visit. The other thing to consider is that by removing it, it will cause confusion to the non-tech savvy older generation who maybe can just about use IE.
The point is you have a choice. (A lot of people who have Apple's round mice in their drawers wish they'd had a choice.) Having a choice means that, yes, you have to think. Sorry.
You have the choice at the moment, you make it sound like there is no choice at all, yet here I am typing this in Firefox.
There is another choice, don't use windows, install Linux. Linux ships without IE.
Are they really arguing that new computers should ship with no internet browser what so ever?
No. They're arguing that OEMs, retailers, etc, should be able to include OTHER browsers, as well as or instead of IE. Though if you specifically did not want a browser at all, it would be nice to have the option.
uhuh... and what happens if you build you own PC and buy a retail copy of windows and it's the only PC in the house as your other one's HDD died?
Sorry but no MS should include their own browser and if you want another then you should just download and install it. HOWEVER, MS should be forced to make their browser 100% RFC compliant and their sites as well so that other browsers can have the same experience as an IE user. Further MS should allow IE to be uninstalled without breaking apps.
Finally, I hear no-one screaming that linux should adhere to the same standards. Linux will not 'win' whilst it's seen as trying to create an unfair playing field with legal actions. If someone suggested that Firefox, Lynx, Konqueror and Nautilus were abolished from default installs so that other browsers could get a shot, it would be laughed off the mailing list. Someone sugesting that both browsers and all methods of getting browsers should go, forcing users to get them from a seperate disc would probably find themselves off the mailing list sharpish.
To be fair though "linux" is nothing more than a kernel, and is shipped as such. It is individual distributions that decide what browser to install by default (if any, e.g Ubuntu Desktop vs Ubuntu Server)
I do however think that this lawsuit is just plain stupid, after all look at what happened which the Media player one yes MS shipped 2 versions both at the same price, so you could buy with or without and lets face it 90% of people will take the product with the most features if its the same price as the one with less.
The only upshoot of this would be if the EC demanded that MS must make their browser 100% RFC compliant
Sorry for comparing you, all I meant was that a small summary at the bottom telling us what has happened in a bit more detail would be nice.
There is no need to go to groklaw's detail but I would just like to follow the cases you have on the site but to me you might as well scribble on a page in random colours for all the sense legal documents make.
No I believe in self preservation. Because in both sentences I am alive.
And as to the 2nd sentence I just don't see the point in dying over a signature that isn't really worth the paper or even the ink used. I can't exactly make the other bastard die for his beliefs if when i was in the weaker position i decided a piece of paper was worth dying for.
The only instance in which i can envisage not signing is if i knew i was going to be killed regardless of wether i sign or not.. In which case I don't see the point in helping them.
Blow myself up - No that's just stupid as that limits the number of enemy i can kill. My objective is not to die for my country/planet but to make the other bastard die for his.
gun at my head to sign - I'd sign, after all it's self presevation, and no I wouldn't be responsible (in my mind) as they forced me to sign, so they were going to do it anyway.
Or as someone once said, take the safety stickers off of everything, and let matters attend to themselves?
QFTT to be perfectly honest.
He is clearly retarded and under equal opportunities he should be tried and executed like a normal person.
I suppose if his dad had kept the game somewhere OTHER than the gun safe and perhaps kept the key to the gun safe on his person or hidden this would never have happened
Slashdot Mirror
Actaully it not great but its not overly wrong either.
If they are found guilty then technically CD-Ripping software is illegal..
Don't forget on TPB I can also find torrents for ubuntu / debian etc, which are legal.
They just look for *.torrent, so it's not their fault if the results are meatloaf.torrent.
I am not "wrong" as you put it. All I was saying was if windows is not the default boot option it will confuse and annoy people.
I have no problem with dual booting, infact all my home PCs are dual boot.
E4200 - £1200-£1800
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/4x_latit_e4200?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd
E4300 - £900-£1300
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/4x_latit_e4300?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd
it won't work. People will boot to the 1st OS (as they don't want to select one and they will get annoyed if the 1st OS in the boot menu is not windows because they won't be able to leave the computer unattended to boot.
Sadly it's human nature to be lazy. The computer would need to select the correct OS by reading the user's thoughts before it would be viable.
So iirc. When I was but a young lad in school the teacher used to read books to us. I am guessing that by doing that she was breaking the law. As I got older teachers used to require us to read out loud sections of books in front of the class, was that forcing us to break the law?
imho when I purchase a book I purchase the right to enjoy the book in whatever format i desire. So if I wish to read out loud into a microphone, record my reading onto a tape and then at a later date I decide to listen to that recording that is my choice. I shouldn't have to go and buy the audio tape.
the same applies here, the person has purchase the e-book and if they so wish they can either read or listen to that book. At the end of the day the "book" has been paid for regardless of media used to listen to that copy.
I was going by widely adopted in the earlier versions and ignoring server/embeded versions
With windows 2K iirc I don't think I ever saw a version other than Pro (excluding server)
All versions of windows are equal just some are more disabled than others.
What George Orwell meant to say..
More is better..
So using that logic Linux is better than Windows by a large factor, after all we have more than 200 (being very conservative) distros. :D (sorry had to get that quick jibe in)
Anyhow I reakon the only version worth getting will be the professional version (bang for buck)
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Whereas the party of the first part, also known as "Lawyer", and the party of the second part, also known as "Light Bulb", do hereby and forthwith agree to a transaction wherein the party of the second part (Light Bulb) shall be removed from the current position as a result of failure to perform previously agreed upon duties, i. e. the lighting, elucidation, and otherwise illumination of the area ranging from the front (north) door, through the entryway, terminating at an area just inside the primary living area, demarcated by the beginning of the carpet, any spillover illumination being at the option of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) and not required by the aforementioned agreement between the parties.
The aforementioned removal transaction shall include, but not be limited to, the following steps:
1. The party of the first part (Lawyer) shall, with or without elevation at his option, by means of a chair, step stool, ladder or any other means of elevation, grasp the party of the second part (Light Bulb) and rotate the party of the second part (Light Bulb) in a counter-clockwise direction, this point being non-negotiable.
2. Upon reaching a point where the party of the second part (Light Bulb) becomes separated from the party of the third part ("Receptacle"), the party of the first part (Lawyer) shall have the option of disposing of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) in a manner consistent with all applicable state, local and federal statutes.
3. Once separation and disposal have been achieved, the party of the first part (Lawyer) shall have the option of beginning installation of the party of the fourth part ("New Light Bulb"). This installation shall occur in a manner consistent with the reverse of the procedures described in step one of this self-same document, being careful to note that the rotation should occur in a clockwise direction, this point also being non-negotiable.
Note: The above described steps may be performed, at the option of the party of the first part (Lawyer), by any or all persons authorized by him, the objective being to produce the most possible revenue for the party of the fifth part, also known as "Partnership."
If you can't work this out, you shouldn't be using a computer
Ahh I forgot Computers are only for People like us, you know Sys Admins & Engineers. Not anyone else. Certainly my parents couldn't work that out and they aren't techno-phobes.
a/ OEM installs one or more browsers of *their* choice, which must not be influenced by MS incentives. As OEMs already install and support various non-MS software this would present no problem at all. I'm sure some OEMs would already be installing Firefox if MS din't threaten their discounts etc.
Sorry but you are talking shit.No they wouldn't. They get NO incentive to install IE, it's part of the OS. Why would an OEM waste time (which is effectively money) installing a product on an OS that already ships with a similar product installed?
For example: 'but they'd have to include links to every crappy little browser with spyware etc.'. Well then, charge each company that wants their browser on the 'chooser' (say) $5000 to have it independantly spyware vetted and listed. That would probably cut the list down to less than 5-10.
Ahh so basically only companies ablee to afford that amount could have their's listed.. Hmm sounds like stiffling choice to me. Not so good for those free non-profit browsers. I suppose the list could have... IE and Netscape?
That would be great. Thanks.
No, it is not.
Why not? It stiffles competition, Why would you pay for a 3rd party ftp client when there is one built in? It is exactly the same as with IE.
Really? So people now are more stupid than they were in 1990?
No, However there are a hell of a lot more non-technial people using computers. So things need to be *made easy*. A good example (if slightly off topic) is the girl in the US that bought a dell laptop with ubuntu and is now trying to sue them or something to that effect (I can't remember the details) because she couldn't get some software to work. I also noticed that we now have network connections in the home that use ethernet between the modem & pc instead a a serial connection so drivers for the modem are pretty much obsolete, this in turn means less reason to ship a cd with the modem which means another avenue is closed to the distrubution of browsers.
Another issue of having others distribute browsers on behalf of the vendors is that there is no "auto upgrade" between versions of (for example) Firefox, so this means a OEM ships a CD with version 2 of Firefox the rest of us are on version 3. When version 2 goes out of support then poor Joe Bloggs is left without any patches creating a security risk. Whereas had he been using MS IE he would be on the most recent version (assuming that he runs windows updates using the recommended settings).
The very fact that music vendors can't assume everyone has the MS player means that they must offer more open formats. So you benefit even if you do use the MS player. If there was just one player it would be very easy for the RIAA/IFPI types to get MS to lock it down. It might not even play MP3s, or report all your music to some authority. Be grateful you can laugh at this as a paranoid fear now.
They could never have assumed due to itunes share of the digital market, mac users would have been left out. Also due to the mp3 revolution taking place with all of the mp3 players on the market again tying to a MS specifc model would have been pretty much impossible.
There are certainly plenty of problems with IE.
I never said there were no problems with IE, I just said that the OS shipping with a default browser wasn't the problem.
The whole point I am trying to make is that yes there should be choice, however there should also be a default option for those that don't care or don't know any better. People should only have to choose if they want to, but by removing IE from windows you are forcing people to choose which imo isn't any better than forcing them to use IE the 1st time they login.
ftp
... etc
open releases.mozilla.org
So we are agruing about removing a free browser from an OS so that people have choice. Well sure the next logical step is that MS cannot ship with ftp after all smartftp, etc are being hurt by this practice, so in 2 years or so time you won't have FTP or a browser by default with the OS.
Also why should I as the user have to go to all that extra effort when all I want to is browse the web?
No, that is quite obvious to everyone. But if they don't care, then what's the problem with using another browser? It's just FUD.
Seeing as they don't care where is the problem with them using IE as shipped with the system? Why should they have to go to the extra effort just to look at bebo etc.
Who chooses what browser that gets shipped on OEM computers? After all if the OEM chooses one surely thats unfair to other browsers. And lets face it when buying from dell there are already more than enough options without adding one "Which browser do you want?"
Rubbish. IE is not any easier to use than any other browser. And someone that "un-savvy" will not be able to set up their computer by themself regardless. But if they have a browser and their bookmarks, it will work. I insist my daughter and wife use Firefox at home, and despite them both using IE at school and work, they can cope after a short period of bitching.
Ok, but I am gussing you went to www.getfirefox.com and clicked the link.. Or are you such a zealot that you used the ftp commandline?
The fact that MS includes IE is *NOT* the problem the problem is they are not RFC compliant, that is where the problem lies.
I remember about 1990 when you got a floppy with your modem.
Yea that's great, I remember that at one time asbestos was safe to use and smoking was good for you.
Incase you hadn't noticed, it's now 2009 (19years later) things have moved on a bit.
Fact of the matter is, MS developed an OS that is very successful. It dumbs things down for the masses, and sometimes it even works. When I install an OS I expect certain things to "just work" out of the box.
When I install suse, ubuntu desktop or RHD I get a browser preinstalled surely that limits my free choice? In saying that I'd be annoyed at having to install it myself anyway as those are desktop versions. Now if I installed SLES, Ubuntu server or RHS then ok fair enough I don't expect to have a browser, indeed I am annoyed if I see a desktop.
Why are Netscape not complaining about Apple who ship the safari browser as standard with their systems?
If I had to say which of those to I believed more "evil" I'd have said Apple after all everything right down to hardware is proprietary yet noone complains about that, iirc even with the intel based macs they have a limited set of supported hardware (though don't quote me on this as I only have a G4.
Living in the UK I have access to windows xp N, but when I was buying copy of windows do you think I bought that one or the normal one? (both priced the same).
Indeed I just got the regular version because to do otherwise would have just been spiteful and more hassle for me, I don't particularly care what I use to play my music on those rare occassions that I do.
The problem with that analogy is that every single bar of soap has a cost associated with it due to the materials used in its making. Music on the other hand has a 1 time cost (the cost to pay the band for that song) after that there is no cost per copy of the song. 10million people could pirate a copy of that song but the record company are only out (assuming 100% piracy) the cost of paying the band for that song the cost does not rise. However 10million people stealing 1 bar of soap at a value of £0.10 per bar quick adds up.
Piracy does not cost the RIAA anything except profit. Their operating costs do not rise because of it nor are there any materials used to "make" that song.
And who would offer it to you in my eg above?
The company you buy the HDD from? or the one you buy your gfx card from?
Who meets the cost for the CD/USB drive?
Do I have to pay for it separate?
Is it included in the price of a component thereby raising that components price?
Why would the likes of scan.co.uk care if I have a browser if all I am buying from them is a keyboard?
I am not saying there shouldn't be choice, however I think people need to stop being zealots and get off their high horses. If I want a new browser I just browse to a site in IE and download it. The I stop using IE.
Thinking on it I think windows should offer a choice of 3rd party window managers and by not letting us they are restricting competition so MS windows should ship without a UI.
With regards to OEMs bundling the browser are they going to be forced to bundle Netscape? After all giving away a free browser isn't very competition friendly
What some people here seem to miss is that *most* people do not care which browser they use as long as they can get to the maybe 10 sites they regularly visit. The other thing to consider is that by removing it, it will cause confusion to the non-tech savvy older generation who maybe can just about use IE.
The point is you have a choice. (A lot of people who have Apple's round mice in their drawers wish they'd had a choice.) Having a choice means that, yes, you have to think. Sorry.
You have the choice at the moment, you make it sound like there is no choice at all, yet here I am typing this in Firefox.
There is another choice, don't use windows, install Linux. Linux ships without IE.
Are they really arguing that new computers should ship with no internet browser what so ever?
No. They're arguing that OEMs, retailers, etc, should be able to include OTHER browsers, as well as or instead of IE. Though if you specifically did not want a browser at all, it would be nice to have the option.
uhuh... and what happens if you build you own PC and buy a retail copy of windows and it's the only PC in the house as your other one's HDD died?
Sorry but no MS should include their own browser and if you want another then you should just download and install it. HOWEVER, MS should be forced to make their browser 100% RFC compliant and their sites as well so that other browsers can have the same experience as an IE user. Further MS should allow IE to be uninstalled without breaking apps.
Finally, I hear no-one screaming that linux should adhere to the same standards. Linux will not 'win' whilst it's seen as trying to create an unfair playing field with legal actions. If someone suggested that Firefox, Lynx, Konqueror and Nautilus were abolished from default installs so that other browsers could get a shot, it would be laughed off the mailing list. Someone sugesting that both browsers and all methods of getting browsers should go, forcing users to get them from a seperate disc would probably find themselves off the mailing list sharpish.
To be fair though "linux" is nothing more than a kernel, and is shipped as such. It is individual distributions that decide what browser to install by default (if any, e.g Ubuntu Desktop vs Ubuntu Server)
I do however think that this lawsuit is just plain stupid, after all look at what happened which the Media player one yes MS shipped 2 versions both at the same price, so you could buy with or without and lets face it 90% of people will take the product with the most features if its the same price as the one with less.
The only upshoot of this would be if the EC demanded that MS must make their browser 100% RFC compliant
Sorry for comparing you, all I meant was that a small summary at the bottom telling us what has happened in a bit more detail would be nice.
There is no need to go to groklaw's detail but I would just like to follow the cases you have on the site but to me you might as well scribble on a page in random colours for all the sense legal documents make.
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com as I am not a lawyer and everything relayed there might as well be in wingdings.
The guy behind the blog needs to do as groklaw did with the SCO stuff. At least her notes on the matter gave me a slight idea what was going on.
So can someone please explain all that gibberish in plain english for me.
I understood up to "RIAA threatens Prof. Nesson with" after that I have no idea what they are on about
No I believe in self preservation. Because in both sentences I am alive.
And as to the 2nd sentence I just don't see the point in dying over a signature that isn't really worth the paper or even the ink used. I can't exactly make the other bastard die for his beliefs if when i was in the weaker position i decided a piece of paper was worth dying for.
The only instance in which i can envisage not signing is if i knew i was going to be killed regardless of wether i sign or not.. In which case I don't see the point in helping them.
Blow myself up - No that's just stupid as that limits the number of enemy i can kill. My objective is not to die for my country/planet but to make the other bastard die for his.
gun at my head to sign - I'd sign, after all it's self presevation, and no I wouldn't be responsible (in my mind) as they forced me to sign, so they were going to do it anyway.
How the hell do I get on the web in order to install Firefox if I don't have a webbrowser???
Do they actually think about anything? It's not like Windows comes with wget or lynx..
You are not paranoid if they really are out to get you, which lets face it they are..
Or as someone once said, take the safety stickers off of everything, and let matters attend to themselves?
QFTT to be perfectly honest.
He is clearly retarded and under equal opportunities he should be tried and executed like a normal person.
I suppose if his dad had kept the game somewhere OTHER than the gun safe and perhaps kept the key to the gun safe on his person or hidden this would never have happened
Car crashes can be quite bad as it is, but if you add a 1 km fall to every incident, the death toll would surely go up.
I fail to see the downside. It's called natural selection.