Hear, hear. We can argue the merits of the ramblings of the "different" ideologues all day, but true reform won't come until we elect representatives that actually have that as their goal and don't just pay lip service to it.
Forms: 19- umame, 19- umami. [< Japanese umami deliciousness (1721 or earlier) < uma-, stem of umai delicious + -mi, suffix forming abstract nouns from adjectives (but commonly written as if from -mi taste).]
A category of taste corresponding to the 'savoury' flavour of free glutamates in various foods, esp. protein-rich fermented and aged ones such as mature cheeses and soy sauce; spec. the flavour of monosodium glutamate. Also: monosodium glutamate itself.
Umami is sometimes described as a fifth basic taste alongside sweet, sour, salt, and bitter.
1979 New Scientist 3 May 361 To the Japanese the 'umami' flavour is among the most essential. They explain it to Westerners as the taste of broth, of meat, of tuna and of seaweed. 1993 Independent on Sunday 4 Apr. (Rev. Suppl.) 48/1 The Glutamate Information Bureau in London..prefers to call MSG by its Japanese name, umami{em}which means deliciousness. 2000 Daily Tel. 25 Jan. 12/5 Today's study in the journal Nature Neuroscience identifies the molecule on the tongue that responds to umami. 2003 A. TELFORD Kitchen Hand 254 Other foods with umami are naturally brewed soy sauce and fish sauce.
I may be mistaken, but I think it is generally considered that spicy or picante does not have a flavor receptor and that the picante experience can be attributed to chemicals that cause irritation in our mouths. It's funny to me that in the West we have known of savory foods for thousands of years, and yet many did not pay attention to that realm of cuisine, or at least not attribute the status of flavor to it. It has certainly been used to great affect in almost every culture I can think of! I guess it is new to people, because we did not know of a receptor for it, but then, I think that the 4 flavors theory is relatively new...
PS It is very annoying when you want to describe picante foods and you lose nuance of meaning because of the overlap between hot and spicy. Thanks for pointing out a better word to use to describe that flavor!
It kind of gets me that we use the word "umami" to describe the (supposedly) newly found taste of proteins (glutamates, etc.) Why can't we anglophones just keep calling that sensation the same as we have for hundreds of years: "savory." I just think it's funny is all:)
Come to think of it, though, maybe it is just this way in America. It seems like we went through a culinary dark ages for a half century, or so, not everywhere, but in a lot of kitchens. Maybe it was the Great Depression or the advent of packaged food... anyway, maybe the flavor fell out of the popular consciousness enough to make us forget about the flavor entirely! But then there's MSG, so I don't know. A very poor substitute for natural glutamates like those found in cheese, Chicken Marsala, parsley, etc.
Pilsner is good for when you want to get drunk or you are hot, I guess is what people are thinking... (or when you are being a cheap skate, see getting drunk.) Anymore, it seems more logical to find some cheap vodka over Pilsners and malt liquors, and save money for a nice Belgian or Trappist or IPA, etc.
Wait, you mean Guinness right? That's interesting. The last time I was there, I never saw cold beer for sale at bars. (And I was in quite a few of them >:)
Man I haven't seen k-* used for a long time. Grandpa >:) Jargon has advanced a bit since you last left your mom's basement. Or wait is that Linux d00ds? *ducks*
OS X is k-rad!!
Actually, I'm going to stop here. It's fun to exchange insults and all, but it's actually a bit taxing. The funny thing is you hit it straight on except for the gay part:D
Hey, fuck your ignorant elitist bullshit. Do you pronounce the K in "know?" Then shut the fuck up. Do you pronounce the H in "herb?" Then shut the fuck up you don't know what you are talking about and you are assholes to boot.
Ha I wish I had both more attention and commentary in this thread, and I wish I had had more time to look up "deign" because my spell check was flipping out, but I had things to do! Thanks for your pedantic interlude!
Yes, I'm intellectually lazy computer programmer from Missouri, who reads voraciously, loves music and food, all the finer things in life, works hard for my family and community, and because you don't know enough about the regional dialects in the South and Midwest of the US, you label us as "intellectually lazy," i.e. stupid. When 90% of the people in Missouri pronounce nuclear differently from the way the "rest of the nation" does, I'm not sure how you can overlook the fact that that is the definition of variance in dialect. And that's just one state. Of course, "the rest of the nation" mentality shows your inherent bias against a large portion of the US. Hell, we say February as "Febyu-ary" too. We pronounce a lot of things differently than other regions in the US.
Hey, you pronounce the K in "know" right? Because at one time that was proper English, but languages don't change, don't grow apart into different dialects, so anyone who doesn't pronounce the K must be an idiot. And you drop the H in "have" and "herb," right? I'm sure you speak Old English and only dain to speak to us modern-English-speaking fuck ups in order to ridicule us right?
Fuck you guys. Fuck your elitist, ignorant bullshit. You all go on thinking you are superior to "us poor country folk," and we will go on being fine people, despite whatever you think. I thought you two were interested in discussion, but now I am just sorry I wasted so much typing on you.
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Hear, hear. We can argue the merits of the ramblings of the "different" ideologues all day, but true reform won't come until we elect representatives that actually have that as their goal and don't just pay lip service to it.
bullshi+
Dude, if you're going to say it, just say it :)
Not to be a bitch, but it's "coup d'état" (in the original French) or often "coup d'etat" in English.
Yum, this Kung Pao chicken is extra capsaicin today. Huh? You, know, it's extra C18H27NO3! WTF?
Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you.
Not to mention that most people get their iodine from iodized salt. Down with the pro-goiter lobby!
Forms: 19- umame, 19- umami. [< Japanese umami deliciousness (1721 or earlier) < uma-, stem of umai delicious + -mi, suffix forming abstract nouns from adjectives (but commonly written as if from -mi taste).]
A category of taste corresponding to the 'savoury' flavour of free glutamates in various foods, esp. protein-rich fermented and aged ones such as mature cheeses and soy sauce; spec. the flavour of monosodium glutamate. Also: monosodium glutamate itself. Umami is sometimes described as a fifth basic taste alongside sweet, sour, salt, and bitter. 1979 New Scientist 3 May 361 To the Japanese the 'umami' flavour is among the most essential. They explain it to Westerners as the taste of broth, of meat, of tuna and of seaweed. 1993 Independent on Sunday 4 Apr. (Rev. Suppl.) 48/1 The Glutamate Information Bureau in London..prefers to call MSG by its Japanese name, umami{em}which means deliciousness. 2000 Daily Tel. 25 Jan. 12/5 Today's study in the journal Nature Neuroscience identifies the molecule on the tongue that responds to umami. 2003 A. TELFORD Kitchen Hand 254 Other foods with umami are naturally brewed soy sauce and fish sauce.
Dude, chill out. You read way too much into what I posted.
I may be mistaken, but I think it is generally considered that spicy or picante does not have a flavor receptor and that the picante experience can be attributed to chemicals that cause irritation in our mouths. It's funny to me that in the West we have known of savory foods for thousands of years, and yet many did not pay attention to that realm of cuisine, or at least not attribute the status of flavor to it. It has certainly been used to great affect in almost every culture I can think of! I guess it is new to people, because we did not know of a receptor for it, but then, I think that the 4 flavors theory is relatively new...
PS It is very annoying when you want to describe picante foods and you lose nuance of meaning because of the overlap between hot and spicy. Thanks for pointing out a better word to use to describe that flavor!
It kind of gets me that we use the word "umami" to describe the (supposedly) newly found taste of proteins (glutamates, etc.) Why can't we anglophones just keep calling that sensation the same as we have for hundreds of years: "savory." I just think it's funny is all :)
Come to think of it, though, maybe it is just this way in America. It seems like we went through a culinary dark ages for a half century, or so, not everywhere, but in a lot of kitchens. Maybe it was the Great Depression or the advent of packaged food... anyway, maybe the flavor fell out of the popular consciousness enough to make us forget about the flavor entirely! But then there's MSG, so I don't know. A very poor substitute for natural glutamates like those found in cheese, Chicken Marsala, parsley, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugLwXlpJi6o
No, the gay part is the Web 2.0 stuff. I *am* a homosexual, you insensitive clod!
Pilsner is good for when you want to get drunk or you are hot, I guess is what people are thinking... (or when you are being a cheap skate, see getting drunk.) Anymore, it seems more logical to find some cheap vodka over Pilsners and malt liquors, and save money for a nice Belgian or Trappist or IPA, etc.
Wait, you mean Guinness right? That's interesting. The last time I was there, I never saw cold beer for sale at bars. (And I was in quite a few of them >:)
Man I haven't seen k-* used for a long time. Grandpa >:) Jargon has advanced a bit since you last left your mom's basement. Or wait is that Linux d00ds? *ducks*
:D
OS X is k-rad!!
Actually, I'm going to stop here. It's fun to exchange insults and all, but it's actually a bit taxing. The funny thing is you hit it straight on except for the gay part
Hey fuck you, you M$ loving piece of shit!
:)
Naw, just kidding
Americans serve beer at far too cold a temperature. But at least it covers up the taste of the stuff...
I agree. Plus, there's just something intrinsically better in the names of, say, "Bacardi 151" or "Absolut 100" than "Bacardi 76" or "Absolut 50."
The rest of America knows you'll get shot in the back for pulling that shit.
Or for even less. This guy was just standing around: http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2010/02/16/victim-police-beating-seeking-damages/ and now that officer is working a town over, as if nothing happened. Sometimes I think we are slipping backwards...
Hey, fuck your ignorant elitist bullshit. Do you pronounce the K in "know?" Then shut the fuck up. Do you pronounce the H in "herb?" Then shut the fuck up you don't know what you are talking about and you are assholes to boot.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm going MAD!
Hey, fuck you! I've listened to your point but you won't listen to mine. So, fuck you!
Ha I wish I had both more attention and commentary in this thread, and I wish I had had more time to look up "deign" because my spell check was flipping out, but I had things to do! Thanks for your pedantic interlude!
Yes, I'm intellectually lazy computer programmer from Missouri, who reads voraciously, loves music and food, all the finer things in life, works hard for my family and community, and because you don't know enough about the regional dialects in the South and Midwest of the US, you label us as "intellectually lazy," i.e. stupid. When 90% of the people in Missouri pronounce nuclear differently from the way the "rest of the nation" does, I'm not sure how you can overlook the fact that that is the definition of variance in dialect. And that's just one state. Of course, "the rest of the nation" mentality shows your inherent bias against a large portion of the US. Hell, we say February as "Febyu-ary" too. We pronounce a lot of things differently than other regions in the US.
Hey, you pronounce the K in "know" right? Because at one time that was proper English, but languages don't change, don't grow apart into different dialects, so anyone who doesn't pronounce the K must be an idiot. And you drop the H in "have" and "herb," right? I'm sure you speak Old English and only dain to speak to us modern-English-speaking fuck ups in order to ridicule us right?
Fuck you guys. Fuck your elitist, ignorant bullshit. You all go on thinking you are superior to "us poor country folk," and we will go on being fine people, despite whatever you think. I thought you two were interested in discussion, but now I am just sorry I wasted so much typing on you.
Hey that's pretty cool!