A "Clean CR" is code word for "our demands are more reasonable than yours and you should cave to them".
Id note that republicans have passed several bills that would fund various parts of the government, and those were shot down because signing them would cost the dems the leverage to demand what they want.
Not really, I imagine they arent bringing entire datacenters down (in fact, I know theyre not), which means power, cooling, and infrastructure are all up, and running a static webpage on a virtualized server doesnt really cost that much.
, feigning shock that a shutdown actually shut stuff down.
...Stuff which has never been shut down before due to a lack of funding? Stuff like scenic overlooks whose "daily operations" consisted of no onsite workers? Stuff like Mount Vernon, which isnt even owned by the federal government?
Darn right we're shocked. Somehow this shutdown is different than the one in 2011 or any of the ones before it, and requires barricading open-air monuments! Who would have known?
Bullshit. It is written into the law which parts of government get shutdown when a budget isn't passed. And no government cannot afford it, they don't have authority by law to spend what they have, and they will blow through the debt ceiling in 2 weeks.
So how do you explain the fed's attempt to barricade Mount Vernon, which is privately owned? Who exactly is paying for those park police to drag the barricades out there?
Maybe its worth considering how it makes sense that so many sites are federally owned instead of state-owned. Maybe its worth considering whether fighting over closing the parking lots of the privately owned Mount Vernon is REALLY appropriate during a furlough.
Your post is speculation, based on wrong information.
The fact is the national mall doesnt require park service (you can call 911, yes?). The fact is that they are also trying to shut down private parks (Mount Vernon is the closest one I know of), and scenic overlooks.
And the issue with the internet-exposed websites is garbage. Obamacare's website went live, and is still live ( https://www.healthcare.gov/ why is it the exception to the rule? Why were other organizations not permitted to set up static copies of their webpages with a notice that things may break (not really a big task)?
Theyre also trying to shutdown the privately-owned Mount Vernon, by closing the surrounding parking lots (which I guess are owned by the park service).
Youre in a country of 300 million. Perhaps the decision to have states with separate laws was a really good idea, if you feel like the federal government isnt representing your needs well. Heres a thought, maybe we could stop making everything a federal issue and the quality of the president wouldnt be so life-and-death?
And how many users do you think bother to regularly check every SSL cert is indeed legit?
It is irrelevant. As soon as ONE user spots it-- and SOMEONE will-- the jig is up: everyone will know surveillance is happening, theyll know which CA issued the phony cert, and theyll un-trust that CA.
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But every single person is better off than they were before.
Except that Im now monitarily on the hook for someone elses poor health decisions, and they have no skin in the game. YAAAAAYYYYY!
Thats a fair point, except it exposes that BOTH parties are willing to shut the government down over their own ideals.
You seriously believe that a major world power can be run on an a-la-carte basis, in little dribs and drabs
Id agree that its much better to have a budget. Say, whose job is it to pass one of those, anyways?
Its only stonewalling if its the republicans rejecting a bill, is that correct?
Id note the only reason we're even IN this mess is that the Senate has failed to pass a budget in quite some time, but somehow thats never brought up.
A "Clean CR" is code word for "our demands are more reasonable than yours and you should cave to them".
Id note that republicans have passed several bills that would fund various parts of the government, and those were shot down because signing them would cost the dems the leverage to demand what they want.
If the Feds don't make it clear that they aren't maintaining these places they will be legally liable for the idiot who cuts himself on that bottle
Its been said before, but you cant sue the federal government without their permission.
Not really, I imagine they arent bringing entire datacenters down (in fact, I know theyre not), which means power, cooling, and infrastructure are all up, and running a static webpage on a virtualized server doesnt really cost that much.
, feigning shock that a shutdown actually shut stuff down.
...Stuff which has never been shut down before due to a lack of funding? Stuff like scenic overlooks whose "daily operations" consisted of no onsite workers? Stuff like Mount Vernon, which isnt even owned by the federal government?
Darn right we're shocked. Somehow this shutdown is different than the one in 2011 or any of the ones before it, and requires barricading open-air monuments! Who would have known?
Bullshit. It is written into the law which parts of government get shutdown when a budget isn't passed. And no government cannot afford it, they don't have authority by law to spend what they have, and they will blow through the debt ceiling in 2 weeks.
So how do you explain the fed's attempt to barricade Mount Vernon, which is privately owned? Who exactly is paying for those park police to drag the barricades out there?
Maybe its worth considering how it makes sense that so many sites are federally owned instead of state-owned. Maybe its worth considering whether fighting over closing the parking lots of the privately owned Mount Vernon is REALLY appropriate during a furlough.
Rumors are floating around that a bill will be passed doing just that-- backpaying the employees for work that they didnt do.
Its absurd, but then so is this entire stunt.
Your post is speculation, based on wrong information.
The fact is the national mall doesnt require park service (you can call 911, yes?). The fact is that they are also trying to shut down private parks (Mount Vernon is the closest one I know of), and scenic overlooks.
And the issue with the internet-exposed websites is garbage. Obamacare's website went live, and is still live ( https://www.healthcare.gov/ why is it the exception to the rule? Why were other organizations not permitted to set up static copies of their webpages with a notice that things may break (not really a big task)?
And attempting to shut down the privately-owned parks is justified....how?
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/feds-try-to-shut-down-privately-owned-mount-vernon/?cat_orig=us
Theyre also trying to shutdown the privately-owned Mount Vernon, by closing the surrounding parking lots (which I guess are owned by the park service).
Still not seeing the part where software piracy is justified.
You arent aware of the 10th amendment, are you?
But I guess you compensate with your skill in creating strawmen.
You always have to get to the roots.
Free expression?
What on earth are you talking about?
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Youre in a country of 300 million. Perhaps the decision to have states with separate laws was a really good idea, if you feel like the federal government isnt representing your needs well. Heres a thought, maybe we could stop making everything a federal issue and the quality of the president wouldnt be so life-and-death?
How, exactly, would the body that needs to reach an agreement to open government, go on furlough until government reopens?
How would that work?
The difficult bit is deciding whether that cert change is legitimate or not
Seems like when this happens with Google for example, someone posts to a google groups "hey, google, is this legit?".
Pretty simple for the vendor to throw out a quick "yea that thumbprint is ours".
And how many users do you think bother to regularly check every SSL cert is indeed legit?
It is irrelevant. As soon as ONE user spots it-- and SOMEONE will-- the jig is up: everyone will know surveillance is happening, theyll know which CA issued the phony cert, and theyll un-trust that CA.
Ive told you this about 5 times in 5 different article threads. The CA NEVER has the private keys for EXACTLY this reason.
You are showing your ignorance. Lavabit was asked for private keys precisely because the attack you envisioned is IMPOSSIBLE without the private keys.