Why dont you read up here; as suspected, the agreement did NOT provide for "unrestricted access", and in fact the owner's right to restrict certain activities were upheld: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park "In building this plaza, there was an agreement it be open 24 hours a day," [NYC police commissioner] Kelly said. "The owners have put out regulations [about what's allowed in park]. The owners will have to come in and direct people not to do certain things."
Starting at roughly 1 am local time on November 15, NYPD began clearing Zuccotti Park.[20][21] After a court order was released allowing them to return,[22] police refused to allow them back in. Later that day, the New York Supreme Court that issued the injunction ruled against allowing protesters to camp or sleep in Zuccotti Park.
My roommates aside, you are free to argue with the NYC police commissioner, the owners of the park, and the NY supreme court, but I would advise against it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park "In building this plaza, there was an agreement it be open 24 hours a day," Kelly said. "The owners have put out regulations [about what's allowed in park]. The owners will have to come in and direct people not to do certain things."
A spokesperson for Brookfield Properties, the owner of the park, expressed concern: "Zuccotti Park is intended for the use and enjoyment of the general public for passive recreation. We are extremely concerned with the conditions that have been created by those currently occupying the park and are actively working with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose."[17]
Permission was never to my knowledge granted to allow multi-day residency of the park by anyone, nor to allow overnight camping.
If you can find in the agreement where that was allowed, I think everyone would be on your side on this. Fact is, people are trying to conflate "access" with "completely unrestricted access"; they are not the same thing.
I think someone at Apple has realised that Samsung could decide not to renew the contract and just as easily screw over Apple.
Seems to me that doing so would simply result in Samsung not getting a contract that someone else will happily fulfill. They may be competitors, but why would samsung deprive themselves of a large, lucrative contract simply to spite and inconvenience a competitor? Sounds like bad business to me.
Computer code, like a dna strand, is binary data. One uses electrical states for 1s and 0s, the other uses base pairs (A-T, C-G). DNA mutations are changes in basepairs, sometimes caused by radiation, and computer code can likewise be altered (ones flipped to zeros) by cosmic / background EM radiation-- thats a good part of the reason servers use ECC RAM.
If I recall, SOPA was shot down precisely because society as a whole rejected it, and ACTA was not nearly as successful as it could have been because again society was not super keen on it.
and our congress attempts to enact that corporate agreement into law and treaty?
If society as a whole is really against something congress tries to do, folks will get voted out of office. Thats how this has always worked in representative democracies. Not being a history buff, but youd have to go a long way to convince me that the average citizen has less power to make his voice heard than in for example the Roman Republic. Our citizens are educated and just about anyone can easily (and legally!) start a movement to vote folks out of office, or even amend the constitution.
Its easy to see the flaws in a system (like laws that you as an IT person see as toxic but society doesnt care about), and completely miss how good we have it compared to a LOT of other systems that have been tried in the past. That doesnt mean we get complacent, lets just not lose perspective here. You say theres "no accountability"; thats what every November 5th is about.
Computer viruses don't evolve, they are engineered/programmed.
Why not? Cant random bits be flipped in a virus (ie by cosmic radiation, or background noise) just as with an actual virus?
If I recall a virus genome is roughly the same size as a virus, too-- mimivirus for example has ~1million basepairs, which I guess would be about 125KB.
I mean, considering my current and last couple of roommate are lawyers, and I (demonstrably) like discussion..... You can suppose and doubt all day long if it makes you feel better.
People dont care because its neither their job nor responsibility to care, and honestly thats fine. I would imagine most IT people here are hopeless in handling corporate tax software, or in settling legal matters, and thats really OK.
It bugs me to see all these IT people act so superior that they know about computers and the stupid lusers dont, because that attitude ends up reflecting on me as an IT person. I dont know if its all professions, or if its mainly just IT people who have this stupid superiority complex. Seriously, grow up people.
if youre having trouble making the connection, Ill help you out.
In both scenarios, a user is taking something that they have no right to, and which the proprietor of wishes them not to have; and in both situations the situation impacts the vendor's ability to make money.
Everyone agrees that most piracy "cost" figures are generally made up; but youd have to be willfully ignorant to think that the existence of something like installous doesnt hurt legitimate revenue streams.
Lets spend a ton of time and effort, as well as licensing fees, and move to a product that will frustrate users and cause a massive productivity loss while they try to use a substandard interface for desktop computers.
Havent done specific reasearch, but if they did not there would be no reason I couldnt simply go to Zucotti park now and tape the entire thing off for my personal use for a game of football or something.
Again, just because they signed an agreement allowing public access 24/7 does not mean anyone can do whatever they want in the park. It COULD, but I would be suprised if anyone could find any documentation saying that was the case.
"Access to the public" does not mean unrestricted access. Prostitution in the park would neither be protected by the park agreement, nor by the first amendment. Likewise, just because a park is "public" does not mean that you can legally camp there.
Just so you know, everyone gives off "light" in the infrared spectrum, and radiated heat (infrared) is one of the main ways that heat is lost both from our bodies and from the earth. Convection is another way, but you will note for instance that the earth loses enormous amounts of heat despite convection losses against the vacuum of space being minimal.
In addition, there's the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which gives people the right to peacefully protest, as other people here have mentioned.
The first amendment sets up boundaries that legislatures cannot cross to "stifle dissent". That doesnt mean you can just randomly go onto private property and reserve it for the exclusive use of your own group at any time and then claim "But FIRST AMENDMENT!"
Im quite sure the Zucotti Park agreement did not entitle members of the public to turn it into a campground, and Im quite certain that the first amendment doesnt get rid of zoning laws.
The only requirement for being elected POTUS that I am aware of is that you receive enough electoral votes, and you get hose based on your popular vote in each area.
Ads help by encouraging popular vote, but to say "its all the advertisers" once again removes responsibility from the one place it should be put: the actual voters.
Dont you realize that always saying "its that guys fault" when you share some blame just makes the problem worse? Advertising has such an effect because so many voters dont care, and so many voters dont care partly because the problem is seen as not worth trying to fix. Maybe if the finger were pointed at the voters more people would care a little bit more and advertising wouldnt be such a big deal.
I believe theres this thing called "the primaries" where voters ALSO have a say.
Everyone trying to act like its a few millionaires causing the problem du jour is just acting the enabler for voters who dont care enough to make a difference. Have some backbone and hold people accountable.
That radiated heat was going to be lost into the atmosphere, and probably from thence eventually into space. Capturing heat from air that was already being vented would have no effect on the temperature of the rail car.
Corporations cant vote, only people can. Stop giving the voters a free pass simply because you deem their intelligence less than yours; it reeks of arrogance and a superiority complex.
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Why dont you read up here; as suspected, the agreement did NOT provide for "unrestricted access", and in fact the owner's right to restrict certain activities were upheld:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park
"In building this plaza, there was an agreement it be open 24 hours a day," [NYC police commissioner] Kelly said. "The owners have put out regulations [about what's allowed in park]. The owners will have to come in and direct people not to do certain things."
Starting at roughly 1 am local time on November 15, NYPD began clearing Zuccotti Park.[20][21] After a court order was released allowing them to return,[22] police refused to allow them back in. Later that day, the New York Supreme Court that issued the injunction ruled against allowing protesters to camp or sleep in Zuccotti Park.
My roommates aside, you are free to argue with the NYC police commissioner, the owners of the park, and the NY supreme court, but I would advise against it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park
"In building this plaza, there was an agreement it be open 24 hours a day," Kelly said. "The owners have put out regulations [about what's allowed in park]. The owners will have to come in and direct people not to do certain things."
A spokesperson for Brookfield Properties, the owner of the park, expressed concern: "Zuccotti Park is intended for the use and enjoyment of the general public for passive recreation. We are extremely concerned with the conditions that have been created by those currently occupying the park and are actively working with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose."[17]
Permission was never to my knowledge granted to allow multi-day residency of the park by anyone, nor to allow overnight camping.
If you can find in the agreement where that was allowed, I think everyone would be on your side on this. Fact is, people are trying to conflate "access" with "completely unrestricted access"; they are not the same thing.
I think someone at Apple has realised that Samsung could decide not to renew the contract and just as easily screw over Apple.
Seems to me that doing so would simply result in Samsung not getting a contract that someone else will happily fulfill. They may be competitors, but why would samsung deprive themselves of a large, lucrative contract simply to spite and inconvenience a competitor? Sounds like bad business to me.
Computer code, like a dna strand, is binary data. One uses electrical states for 1s and 0s, the other uses base pairs (A-T, C-G). DNA mutations are changes in basepairs, sometimes caused by radiation, and computer code can likewise be altered (ones flipped to zeros) by cosmic / background EM radiation-- thats a good part of the reason servers use ECC RAM.
If I recall, SOPA was shot down precisely because society as a whole rejected it, and ACTA was not nearly as successful as it could have been because again society was not super keen on it.
and our congress attempts to enact that corporate agreement into law and treaty?
If society as a whole is really against something congress tries to do, folks will get voted out of office. Thats how this has always worked in representative democracies. Not being a history buff, but youd have to go a long way to convince me that the average citizen has less power to make his voice heard than in for example the Roman Republic. Our citizens are educated and just about anyone can easily (and legally!) start a movement to vote folks out of office, or even amend the constitution.
Its easy to see the flaws in a system (like laws that you as an IT person see as toxic but society doesnt care about), and completely miss how good we have it compared to a LOT of other systems that have been tried in the past. That doesnt mean we get complacent, lets just not lose perspective here. You say theres "no accountability"; thats what every November 5th is about.
Computer viruses don't evolve, they are engineered/programmed.
Why not? Cant random bits be flipped in a virus (ie by cosmic radiation, or background noise) just as with an actual virus?
If I recall a virus genome is roughly the same size as a virus, too-- mimivirus for example has ~1million basepairs, which I guess would be about 125KB.
I mean, considering my current and last couple of roommate are lawyers, and I (demonstrably) like discussion..... You can suppose and doubt all day long if it makes you feel better.
People dont care because its neither their job nor responsibility to care, and honestly thats fine. I would imagine most IT people here are hopeless in handling corporate tax software, or in settling legal matters, and thats really OK.
It bugs me to see all these IT people act so superior that they know about computers and the stupid lusers dont, because that attitude ends up reflecting on me as an IT person. I dont know if its all professions, or if its mainly just IT people who have this stupid superiority complex. Seriously, grow up people.
Luckily-- and yes, I mean luckily-- laws are determined by society as a whole, not by what you think they should be.
If democracy is unacceptable to you then I suggest you choose a country with a different style of governance, such as anarchy or dictatorship.
if youre having trouble making the connection, Ill help you out.
In both scenarios, a user is taking something that they have no right to, and which the proprietor of wishes them not to have; and in both situations the situation impacts the vendor's ability to make money.
Everyone agrees that most piracy "cost" figures are generally made up; but youd have to be willfully ignorant to think that the existence of something like installous doesnt hurt legitimate revenue streams.
Lets spend a ton of time and effort, as well as licensing fees, and move to a product that will frustrate users and cause a massive productivity loss while they try to use a substandard interface for desktop computers.
BRILLIANT!
Im just curious, does your ego ever get stuck when you go through doors?
Do such rules exist?
Havent done specific reasearch, but if they did not there would be no reason I couldnt simply go to Zucotti park now and tape the entire thing off for my personal use for a game of football or something.
Again, just because they signed an agreement allowing public access 24/7 does not mean anyone can do whatever they want in the park. It COULD, but I would be suprised if anyone could find any documentation saying that was the case.
"Access to the public" does not mean unrestricted access. Prostitution in the park would neither be protected by the park agreement, nor by the first amendment. Likewise, just because a park is "public" does not mean that you can legally camp there.
Just so you know, everyone gives off "light" in the infrared spectrum, and radiated heat (infrared) is one of the main ways that heat is lost both from our bodies and from the earth. Convection is another way, but you will note for instance that the earth loses enormous amounts of heat despite convection losses against the vacuum of space being minimal.
In addition, there's the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which gives people the right to peacefully protest, as other people here have mentioned.
The first amendment sets up boundaries that legislatures cannot cross to "stifle dissent". That doesnt mean you can just randomly go onto private property and reserve it for the exclusive use of your own group at any time and then claim "But FIRST AMENDMENT!"
Im quite sure the Zucotti Park agreement did not entitle members of the public to turn it into a campground, and Im quite certain that the first amendment doesnt get rid of zoning laws.
It remains PRIVATE PROPERTY. The public has access, but there are rules, like, I dont know, not setting up your tent and grill.
"Allowing public access" swings both ways, when OWS basically prevents any other use of the park.
First amendment does not allow you to squat on private property.
The only requirement for being elected POTUS that I am aware of is that you receive enough electoral votes, and you get hose based on your popular vote in each area.
Ads help by encouraging popular vote, but to say "its all the advertisers" once again removes responsibility from the one place it should be put: the actual voters.
Dont you realize that always saying "its that guys fault" when you share some blame just makes the problem worse? Advertising has such an effect because so many voters dont care, and so many voters dont care partly because the problem is seen as not worth trying to fix. Maybe if the finger were pointed at the voters more people would care a little bit more and advertising wouldnt be such a big deal.
People can't decide who we get to vote for, only corporations can.
I guess that "primary" thing I kept hearing about was just my imagination.
I believe theres this thing called "the primaries" where voters ALSO have a say.
Everyone trying to act like its a few millionaires causing the problem du jour is just acting the enabler for voters who dont care enough to make a difference. Have some backbone and hold people accountable.
Everything influences voters; but at the end of the day each voter has free will, makes their own decisions, and is responsible for what they choose.
Stop trying to minimize that, it just enables apathetic voting.
That radiated heat was going to be lost into the atmosphere, and probably from thence eventually into space. Capturing heat from air that was already being vented would have no effect on the temperature of the rail car.
Corporations cant vote, only people can. Stop giving the voters a free pass simply because you deem their intelligence less than yours; it reeks of arrogance and a superiority complex.