BUZZZZ, Wrong. Extradition can happen with a warrant. And for your conspiracy theory to make sense, you need to cleverly explain away the fact that the UK already has an extradition treaty with the US, and is just as cozy with us (if not more) than Sweden. Why hasnt assange been shipped off from Scotland yard to the US yet?
Freedom, truth, and liberty dont mean there are no secrets.
Go back to the revolutionary war and make the Continental Army's battle plans public, and see how long it takes them to hang you as a traitor-- try to explain to them how youre upholding "truth and freedom", see how well that works. Not all things are necessary to be public.
Wikileaks may not be a bad thing in principle, but the idea that "there should be no secrets" and the whole anti-US sentiment kind of poison the whole thing for me. Put someone else at the helm who will focus on non-biased leaks without political drama and commentary, and who can be responsible in what they release (ie, NOT diplomatic cables unless they have urgent, must-be-made-public information in them), and I would wholeheartedly support it.
10kmph is about 6mph, which isnt a huge margin, but considering the size / weight of a vehicle, it isnt a speed change which "just happens". You need to actually apply some pressure on the accelerator to go up that much.
Theres about a 1 mile-long hill near my house, and I can just about coast down it in neutral without gaining more than 10mph.
More to the point, if youre really having a problem with this, just start using cruise control.
. It's impossible, everyone is involved willingly or not to some degree.
Its a hell of a lot more credible when you dont insert political commentary into the material you release, then throw huge press conferences whenever said material is anti-US, and refuse for several months to release un-commentaried and edited material.
The whole thing is just a show to get him to a country that will role over and give him to the US. I am not sure why the UK didn't ???
As you note, the terrible flaw in that conspiracy theory is that the UK already HAS an extradition treaty with the US, and is pretty good buddies with us. If the end goal was to get him into the US, why wouldnt he already be here?
Most countries only extradite criminals.
Its hard to extradite a "criminal" when that label requires a trial first, which assange has not had. Hes wanted for questioning to determine if there is a case against him. From Wikipedia: Extradition is the official process whereby one nation or state surrenders a suspected or convicted criminal to another nation or state. (emphasis mine) Assange fits that category.
If there was an charge pending then yes but there is not
My understanding is that they need to question him first to determine if charges can be filed or not.
Of course the above are examples of where socialism works as advertised, but I'm sure someone will object because their dogma tells them to reject the concept having their wealth redistributed, even if they are receiving more material benefits from it than they could possibly afford by themselves.
That is only true if your total wealth is under the mean, in which case socialism would generally be a net gain for you.
The issue is whether it is just in all circumstances to take everyone's money for the greater good. There are times where it may be (basic infrastructure), but not always-- you are sacrificing some freedom to get there.
Then go and pay for Georgetown Law schooling for several years, pass the bar exam, and become a lawyer. Easy-peasy, right? If so, I wish you a successful practice and much success; good luck with that.
How many years were the lawyers working, and how much would they have received if they had failed? I see this complaint with every class action, and there is SOME merit to it, but people act like the lawyers should do all their work pro-bono.
From the article, it appears to be an 8-year lawsuit, which works out to $2mil per lawyer / firm, per year. How many lawyers were involved?
Its also worth noting that the $20k for the plaintiffs and the 16 mil for attorneys fees look to be separate amounts-- unless I am mistaken, they didnt just get $17mil to split however the lawyers chose, but rather requested X amount for the lawyers, independent of the Y for the plaintiffs. Any lawyers care to clarify how that all works?
If its really super urgent, they have remote hands, and hopefully you have KVM-over-IP. One would also assume that if "power outage exceeding CoLo's generator capacity" is an issue, that you would have a fail-over location.
Besides which, the U.S. routinely blames other countries and their drug growers for our drug "problem".
People actively smuggling it into our country ARE part of our problem. And what "the US" does doesnt excuse a bad argument or false assertion, regardless.
So just to sum up, you didnt disagree AT ALL with my premise (which is that you cannot blame US laws for mexican violence), and yet I get modded to flamebait while you get modded to informative. What a startling insight into the slashdot collective's ability to evaluate statements and rational arguments. Nowhere in my post did I defend morality laws, the war on drugs, or anything else, I simply think that bullshit needs to be called bullshit.
FWIW, I tend to agree as regards marijuana; but it is very telling that my PERCEIVED opposition to legalization was enough to encourage a flamebait mod, nevermind the merits of my comment.
Youre blaming a foreign country's problem with militant cartels on a US decision on what to make legal or illegal within OUR borders?
Im sorry, does not compute. I get that legalizing might put an end to it, but its hardly our fault that smugglers exist. Are you going to blame governments for violence in human trafficking, because they have laws making such trafficking illegal? (not saying theyre the same)
Oh? How well does OTA contact and calendar sync work between iOS, Android, Palm, and Blackberry, and your FOSS server?
Whats that, they all only support ActiveSync or IMAP/POP, and yall dont have ActiveSync on your FOSS server? Yea, that might by why this problem wouldnt crop up-- Its easy to scale when your solution can simply not do one of the requirements.
Coming off as a little harsh here, but its seriously old, cliche, and wrong to hear people bashing Exchange when their closest competitors still arent at feature parity, and the ones that come close arent free. I would love to have something that can completely replace Exchange (given its price and Windows dependence), but even Google Apps-- which comes awfully close-- doesnt quite nail it.
It was tongue in cheek, in response to the allegation that we are so overworked and oppressed here that our brains are no longer capable of math. I was wondering whether it would be fair to respond in kind, but apparently Ive touched a nerve there.
Possibly Im biased, since I live right next to DC and most of my friends are well connected DC folk, but none of the people I know are "ignorant of other countries". A large number of them have spent significant time overseas working.
I think its entirely possible that when the options are weighed, a large number simply decide that the US is where they want to work. In fact, I have a few friends from outside the US who were here on work or student visas from all over, and the US seems to be where they want to work too (Germany, Columbia, and China mainly)
Ive never seen 40 hours a week as "working myself to the bone", especially in an office / IT environment. But I suppose if you WANT to use hyperbole, go right ahead.
Yea, thats not a credible answer in an atmosphere where everyone is preparing for election season and trying not to piss voters off.
Youre telling me Obama is busy trying to sell his image as a job maker, and a group of republicans have decided "screw it, we're going to piss off as many constituents as possible"?
Because in the absence of a philosophic or religious grounding, you are either left with subjective morality where everyone determines what is right for them; or else you must include some degree of "social contract" in your conception of right and wrong. Certainly if our country was founded with a clause specifically for the protection of copyright, and there is no clear "this tramples on Joes rights" or "this oppresses group A because of what kind of human being they are [that is, male, female, black, white, etc]", then you will have to a lot better than simply declaring "copyright is bad because I think so", given its 200 year history.
The civil rights reforms were one thing, the case was rather easy to make that separate was NOT equal, and that there was NO rational basis for oppressing one group due to their ancestry other than straight up bigotry.
Copyright, on the other hand, has strong arguments both for and against it, and if you dont understand THAT, then you havent been paying attention.
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BUZZZZ, Wrong.
Extradition can happen with a warrant. And for your conspiracy theory to make sense, you need to cleverly explain away the fact that the UK already has an extradition treaty with the US, and is just as cozy with us (if not more) than Sweden. Why hasnt assange been shipped off from Scotland yard to the US yet?
Freedom, truth, and liberty dont mean there are no secrets.
Go back to the revolutionary war and make the Continental Army's battle plans public, and see how long it takes them to hang you as a traitor-- try to explain to them how youre upholding "truth and freedom", see how well that works. Not all things are necessary to be public.
Wikileaks may not be a bad thing in principle, but the idea that "there should be no secrets" and the whole anti-US sentiment kind of poison the whole thing for me. Put someone else at the helm who will focus on non-biased leaks without political drama and commentary, and who can be responsible in what they release (ie, NOT diplomatic cables unless they have urgent, must-be-made-public information in them), and I would wholeheartedly support it.
10kmph is about 6mph, which isnt a huge margin, but considering the size / weight of a vehicle, it isnt a speed change which "just happens". You need to actually apply some pressure on the accelerator to go up that much.
Theres about a 1 mile-long hill near my house, and I can just about coast down it in neutral without gaining more than 10mph.
More to the point, if youre really having a problem with this, just start using cruise control.
. It's impossible, everyone is involved willingly or not to some degree.
Its a hell of a lot more credible when you dont insert political commentary into the material you release, then throw huge press conferences whenever said material is anti-US, and refuse for several months to release un-commentaried and edited material.
The whole thing is just a show to get him to a country that will role over and give him to the US. I am not sure why the UK didn't ???
As you note, the terrible flaw in that conspiracy theory is that the UK already HAS an extradition treaty with the US, and is pretty good buddies with us. If the end goal was to get him into the US, why wouldnt he already be here?
Most countries only extradite criminals.
Its hard to extradite a "criminal" when that label requires a trial first, which assange has not had. Hes wanted for questioning to determine if there is a case against him.
From Wikipedia:
Extradition is the official process whereby one nation or state surrenders a suspected or convicted criminal to another nation or state. (emphasis mine)
Assange fits that category.
If there was an charge pending then yes but there is not
My understanding is that they need to question him first to determine if charges can be filed or not.
Of course the above are examples of where socialism works as advertised, but I'm sure someone will object because their dogma tells them to reject the concept having their wealth redistributed, even if they are receiving more material benefits from it than they could possibly afford by themselves.
That is only true if your total wealth is under the mean, in which case socialism would generally be a net gain for you.
The issue is whether it is just in all circumstances to take everyone's money for the greater good. There are times where it may be (basic infrastructure), but not always-- you are sacrificing some freedom to get there.
The USPS is incredibly cheap compared to the commercial alternatives.
Maybe thats why theyre having issues with funding and staying afloat.
They took a gamble with schooling; how many law school grads end up with a much less rewarding job?
Then go and pay for Georgetown Law schooling for several years, pass the bar exam, and become a lawyer. Easy-peasy, right? If so, I wish you a successful practice and much success; good luck with that.
How many years were the lawyers working, and how much would they have received if they had failed? I see this complaint with every class action, and there is SOME merit to it, but people act like the lawyers should do all their work pro-bono.
From the article, it appears to be an 8-year lawsuit, which works out to $2mil per lawyer / firm, per year. How many lawyers were involved?
Its also worth noting that the $20k for the plaintiffs and the 16 mil for attorneys fees look to be separate amounts-- unless I am mistaken, they didnt just get $17mil to split however the lawyers chose, but rather requested X amount for the lawyers, independent of the Y for the plaintiffs. Any lawyers care to clarify how that all works?
If its really super urgent, they have remote hands, and hopefully you have KVM-over-IP. One would also assume that if "power outage exceeding CoLo's generator capacity" is an issue, that you would have a fail-over location.
Besides which, the U.S. routinely blames other countries and their drug growers for our drug "problem".
People actively smuggling it into our country ARE part of our problem. And what "the US" does doesnt excuse a bad argument or false assertion, regardless.
So just to sum up, you didnt disagree AT ALL with my premise (which is that you cannot blame US laws for mexican violence), and yet I get modded to flamebait while you get modded to informative. What a startling insight into the slashdot collective's ability to evaluate statements and rational arguments. Nowhere in my post did I defend morality laws, the war on drugs, or anything else, I simply think that bullshit needs to be called bullshit.
FWIW, I tend to agree as regards marijuana; but it is very telling that my PERCEIVED opposition to legalization was enough to encourage a flamebait mod, nevermind the merits of my comment.
You mean like BES networks? Yea, those are a HUGE problem in the US.
Youre blaming a foreign country's problem with militant cartels on a US decision on what to make legal or illegal within OUR borders?
Im sorry, does not compute. I get that legalizing might put an end to it, but its hardly our fault that smugglers exist. Are you going to blame governments for violence in human trafficking, because they have laws making such trafficking illegal? (not saying theyre the same)
Oh? How well does OTA contact and calendar sync work between iOS, Android, Palm, and Blackberry, and your FOSS server?
Whats that, they all only support ActiveSync or IMAP/POP, and yall dont have ActiveSync on your FOSS server? Yea, that might by why this problem wouldnt crop up-- Its easy to scale when your solution can simply not do one of the requirements.
Coming off as a little harsh here, but its seriously old, cliche, and wrong to hear people bashing Exchange when their closest competitors still arent at feature parity, and the ones that come close arent free. I would love to have something that can completely replace Exchange (given its price and Windows dependence), but even Google Apps-- which comes awfully close-- doesnt quite nail it.
It is clear that bigger ferries are no substitute for more ferries....or smaller rivers. Or possibly a bridge.
Or intergalactic starships, and teleporters?
What were we talking about, again?
it makes it much harder for a U.S. court to seize your domain on a whim.
Wouldnt it make it easier for some other government to seize it on a whim?
I mean, that may be the determination that youve made, that this is less of a risk, but Im just saying.
It was tongue in cheek, in response to the allegation that we are so overworked and oppressed here that our brains are no longer capable of math. I was wondering whether it would be fair to respond in kind, but apparently Ive touched a nerve there.
Possibly Im biased, since I live right next to DC and most of my friends are well connected DC folk, but none of the people I know are "ignorant of other countries". A large number of them have spent significant time overseas working.
I think its entirely possible that when the options are weighed, a large number simply decide that the US is where they want to work. In fact, I have a few friends from outside the US who were here on work or student visas from all over, and the US seems to be where they want to work too (Germany, Columbia, and China mainly)
Ive never seen 40 hours a week as "working myself to the bone", especially in an office / IT environment. But I suppose if you WANT to use hyperbole, go right ahead.
Yea, thats not a credible answer in an atmosphere where everyone is preparing for election season and trying not to piss voters off.
Youre telling me Obama is busy trying to sell his image as a job maker, and a group of republicans have decided "screw it, we're going to piss off as many constituents as possible"?
Then what they did was illegal; that has no bearing on whether they have the standing and right to defend their other copyrights.
Because in the absence of a philosophic or religious grounding, you are either left with subjective morality where everyone determines what is right for them; or else you must include some degree of "social contract" in your conception of right and wrong. Certainly if our country was founded with a clause specifically for the protection of copyright, and there is no clear "this tramples on Joes rights" or "this oppresses group A because of what kind of human being they are [that is, male, female, black, white, etc]", then you will have to a lot better than simply declaring "copyright is bad because I think so", given its 200 year history.
The civil rights reforms were one thing, the case was rather easy to make that separate was NOT equal, and that there was NO rational basis for oppressing one group due to their ancestry other than straight up bigotry.
Copyright, on the other hand, has strong arguments both for and against it, and if you dont understand THAT, then you havent been paying attention.