As another poster stated this appears to be a radeon bug, not a firefox bug. The person experiencing the issue stopped seeing it after a driver upgrade.
Because there are a WIDE swath of incredibly popular vendors whose java applets do not support anything newer than 1.6? Cisco, Dell, HP, Fiery, etc.
Claiming "there are no issues" just means youve been insulated in your own little world. I dont even do software dev, I do IT, and Ive seen way too many applets break with anything newer than ~1.6_u9
Many vendors do this. See:
* HP / Dell iLo crap
* Cisco ASA / Pix interfaces
* Lots of ancient HP printers
* Any printer that comes with a Fiery controller (see: basically all modern Canons that have been upsold)
* I believe BES servers have issues with upgrades too
Not to mention all the inhouse crap that I hear immediately breaks when people upgrade.
Theres also the fact that even the best herbal supplements can have nasty side effects. Even asprin can do some nasty things in the wrong circumstances.
Making bad decisions and giving bad advice is not and should not be a crime, unless you are a practicing doctor or lawyer.
Jobs made his own decisions, theres no need to blame someone else as if he was not a grown man capable of doing all of the necessary research. For whatever reason people today have a really tough time with the idea of "personal responsibility"; Jobs had a responsibility to consult with medical professionals and make good decisions about his health.
One of the bigger problems youre not addressing is the assumption that if an herb has beneficial effects, then it must have no negative ones by virtue of being "herbal". Of course, this isnt true; one only has to remember that nightshade is of course completely "natural" and "herbal" and also terribly poisonous.
Some examples: St Johns Wort can have a number of bad drug interactions, can work poorly with folks with bi-polar disorder, and can have a number of other undesirable effects. Pennyroyal is apparently highly toxic, and can damage kidney and liver.
Not all debt is created the same. If youre paying ~18k / year and making $15k waiting tables, you could end your degree with ~$12k debt-- hardly what youd call crushing.
If you spent the first 2 years doing gen ed credits at a community college (~1/4th the cost-- $5k / year?) you could actually get through with no debt whatsoever.
Working as a waiter around 10 years ago would net you ~15k / year, ~4 hours a night. Include inflation plus the fact that standard tips are now 20% (rather than 16%) and it seems very doable.
Current tuition at Va state colleges is ~$6000-7000 year-- A lot less than where I went and incurred ~28k in 1.5 years, and I still paid it off as a waiter.
An Ivy League education's greatest value is partying with well-connected rich people who are obviously going to spend their entire lives well-connected and rich. Earning the friendship of these people makes you well-connected, and eventually rich.
And this dream, folks, is why so many complain about the cost of college. They spend ridiculous amounts of money going to [insert posh university], and then languish without a job with their english degree wondering why our system is so broken.
Heres a tip, if you spend $60k+ on school and dont end up with a marketable skill, youve made a terrible mistake.
Where are you people going to school? In state tuition is generally under 15k/year, which you can usually make a big dent in by working through school. I mean its not free, but if you're ending up with "obscene debt" youre probably making obscenely bad decisions.
Heres a real-world tip for you: just about any job opening you see in the Washington Post classifieds is gonna note a required number of years of experience, and a bachelors degree. You can get a job without the bachelors-- but theyre gonna want additional years of experience, and even then you may simply be filtered out of the running.
The degree also does not have to be "outrageously expensive". Undergrad degrees at UVa and GMU are about $6000 / semeester, which you can pay off working weekends as a waiter.
Its like this discussion comes up every few weeks on slashdot and people still cant figure out how to attend college without it costing $50k/semester. Heres a tip: Stop going out of state to expensive colleges.
Right, but it is up to you to make sure that A) theres no conflicts, which typically occurs with overlapping functionality (COUGH adblock/ghostery/noscript), and B) the extension is well written and has no leaks.
You would do better to complain to adblock or whoever that their extension has a memory leak than to complain about firefox.
Firefox is unstable when many windows and tabs are open, even when using NoScript, Adblock, and Ghostery, as mentioned above.
Dont complain about problems with firefox while running 3rd party code, particularly addons that can conflict. I think I read about potential issues when combining those three, as they overlap quite a bit.
I was not confusing the two. AFAIK we do have truly "random" sources, and thats what I was referring to.
I was also referring to the fact that the linux RNG uses multiple entropy sources-- including intel RdRand-- in order to address issues in any one of them. Theres a write-up here which indicates you CAN mix sources without losing entropy: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/1...
More simply, if you XOR truly random source A with compromised source B to get seed C, an attacker could know all of the output of B, but he would have no way of determining A or C-- he literally has no additional information. This is pretty trivially proveable, and if it were not true stream ciphers simply would not work (One of the values is known, but the other two cannot be determined).
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There IS no static content, everything is laced with JS and cross site dependencies
As another poster stated this appears to be a radeon bug, not a firefox bug. The person experiencing the issue stopped seeing it after a driver upgrade.
Because there are a WIDE swath of incredibly popular vendors whose java applets do not support anything newer than 1.6? Cisco, Dell, HP, Fiery, etc.
Claiming "there are no issues" just means youve been insulated in your own little world. I dont even do software dev, I do IT, and Ive seen way too many applets break with anything newer than ~1.6_u9
Many vendors do this. See:
* HP / Dell iLo crap
* Cisco ASA / Pix interfaces
* Lots of ancient HP printers
* Any printer that comes with a Fiery controller (see: basically all modern Canons that have been upsold)
* I believe BES servers have issues with upgrades too
Not to mention all the inhouse crap that I hear immediately breaks when people upgrade.
Theres also the fact that even the best herbal supplements can have nasty side effects. Even asprin can do some nasty things in the wrong circumstances.
Making bad decisions and giving bad advice is not and should not be a crime, unless you are a practicing doctor or lawyer.
Jobs made his own decisions, theres no need to blame someone else as if he was not a grown man capable of doing all of the necessary research. For whatever reason people today have a really tough time with the idea of "personal responsibility"; Jobs had a responsibility to consult with medical professionals and make good decisions about his health.
One of the bigger problems youre not addressing is the assumption that if an herb has beneficial effects, then it must have no negative ones by virtue of being "herbal". Of course, this isnt true; one only has to remember that nightshade is of course completely "natural" and "herbal" and also terribly poisonous.
Some examples:
St Johns Wort can have a number of bad drug interactions, can work poorly with folks with bi-polar disorder, and can have a number of other undesirable effects.
Pennyroyal is apparently highly toxic, and can damage kidney and liver.
Etc etc-- see http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-.... But of course people see "herbal" and think "must be good for you".
Not all debt is created the same. If youre paying ~18k / year and making $15k waiting tables, you could end your degree with ~$12k debt-- hardly what youd call crushing.
If you spent the first 2 years doing gen ed credits at a community college (~1/4th the cost-- $5k / year?) you could actually get through with no debt whatsoever.
That should be per semester
Working as a waiter around 10 years ago would net you ~15k / year, ~4 hours a night. Include inflation plus the fact that standard tips are now 20% (rather than 16%) and it seems very doable.
Current tuition at Va state colleges is ~$6000-7000 year-- A lot less than where I went and incurred ~28k in 1.5 years, and I still paid it off as a waiter.
We built our cities hundreds of years ago. Europe has the "luxury" of having things torn down and rebuilt int he last 70 years.
So if you wanna compare Berlin and New York, just try to remember when each of them was built.
An Ivy League education's greatest value is partying with well-connected rich people who are obviously going to spend their entire lives well-connected and rich. Earning the friendship of these people makes you well-connected, and eventually rich.
And this dream, folks, is why so many complain about the cost of college. They spend ridiculous amounts of money going to [insert posh university], and then languish without a job with their english degree wondering why our system is so broken.
Heres a tip, if you spend $60k+ on school and dont end up with a marketable skill, youve made a terrible mistake.
Where are you people going to school? In state tuition is generally under 15k/year, which you can usually make a big dent in by working through school. I mean its not free, but if you're ending up with "obscene debt" youre probably making obscenely bad decisions.
Someone who hasnt been taught the theory of CS probably shouldnt be coding in a commercial setting. Just saying.
Where are all of you folks going to college that youre digging yourself into a hole, and why arent you working the cost off as you incur it?
That extra experience is "used up" compensating for the lacking degree, from HR's perspective, if they arent outright excluded from the running.
Heres a real-world tip for you: just about any job opening you see in the Washington Post classifieds is gonna note a required number of years of experience, and a bachelors degree. You can get a job without the bachelors-- but theyre gonna want additional years of experience, and even then you may simply be filtered out of the running.
The degree also does not have to be "outrageously expensive". Undergrad degrees at UVa and GMU are about $6000 / semeester, which you can pay off working weekends as a waiter.
Its like this discussion comes up every few weeks on slashdot and people still cant figure out how to attend college without it costing $50k/semester. Heres a tip: Stop going out of state to expensive colleges.
You're creating the false dichotomy that you cannot both be debt-free and attend college.
Watch as the remainder of this thread is filled with people who made stupid decisions regarding college debt argue with those who did not.
Right, but it is up to you to make sure that A) theres no conflicts, which typically occurs with overlapping functionality (COUGH adblock/ghostery/noscript), and B) the extension is well written and has no leaks.
You would do better to complain to adblock or whoever that their extension has a memory leak than to complain about firefox.
Flash runs in a separate process, and has for quite a while.
Firefox is unstable when many windows and tabs are open, even when using NoScript, Adblock, and Ghostery, as mentioned above.
Dont complain about problems with firefox while running 3rd party code, particularly addons that can conflict. I think I read about potential issues when combining those three, as they overlap quite a bit.
My gosh, its almost like 3rd party addons can make a product unstable!
And its almost like people have been misunderstanding that about firefox for the last 10 years!
I was not confusing the two. AFAIK we do have truly "random" sources, and thats what I was referring to.
I was also referring to the fact that the linux RNG uses multiple entropy sources-- including intel RdRand-- in order to address issues in any one of them. Theres a write-up here which indicates you CAN mix sources without losing entropy:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/1...
More simply, if you XOR truly random source A with compromised source B to get seed C, an attacker could know all of the output of B, but he would have no way of determining A or C-- he literally has no additional information. This is pretty trivially proveable, and if it were not true stream ciphers simply would not work (One of the values is known, but the other two cannot be determined).
Those rabble, all theyre good for is providing the food you eat and manufacturing the goods you use.