Dude, of course there were consentration camps here. How unfortuante it is, now Russia has everlasting right (at least in their heads) to destroy, rape, murder, claim and call everybody fascist here. It will be always like
Estonia: you occupied us. Russia: no we liberated you.
Estonia: you deported, murdered and killed tens of thousands. Russia: you had nazi concentration camps.
Estonia: you supressed our language, culture and freedom. Russia: Germany would have done the same.
Estonia: Stalin was a criminal. Russia: but he did win the war.
In other words, being part of Allies and winning the war gives them excuse for everything. We have a saying what translates to "winners are not judged". Russians take for granted that winning WW2 redeems all their horrible deeds before and after the war.
Heh, proudest period? Brothers had to fight brothers (one in nazi army, one in red army) and you call this our proudest period? You mindless soviet product. Only process that is accelerating is bringing Soviet crimes to the daylight and giving Soviet regime as despicable judgement as to nazi regime. And that ise the main reason, why russians would call us nazis, fascists (even then they don't know the meaning of the word) and whatever else. We are shattering their heroic illustions of the history of WW2 and boy, they get hysterical if someone tries to do that.
No, those were army people trying to stop people who did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre . Ask thousands who were deported and managed to not lose their lives in Siberia both before and after German occupation.
Germans and Soviets always found collaborators in occupied countries, scum has no nationality. Even the "liberator" Russia had collaborators, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov. And since Soviets did so much history "retouching" (see http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=710 just for a photo editing example) we probably know just a tip of the iceberg of the Soviet crimes.
So if people got killed, then they had to fight for their independence. And everything else not resulting in the loss of lives is not fighting?:) Lithuania had the smallest russian population at that time and they were unlucky country surronded by eastern block (i.e. away from western media attention). No wonder soviet army used guns most light-handed there.
When they tried to took government by force in estonia, it wasn't done only using soviet army. It was mastered through local members of "Interfront" just they had done and tried to do here on 1940 and 1924. But at that time there was enormous unity between estonian people so "shields" of humans were used everywhere. For example, Interfront was made to leave government buildings just by gathering tens and tens of thousands supporters around the building. Estonians are quite numb people so our method of fighting was just to stand and maybe sing:)
"Strange and I always though that Stalin (does it get any higher then that?) and second man Beria were both Georgian"
Not only those two men run the country and not only Stalin ruled during the Soviet era. Next you would probably throw in Khrushchev and Breznev, who were Ukrainian. But for example, Breznev started to declare really early in the 50-ies that he is Russian. I wonder, why...
"But when your house is already there, when you grew-up in there, when it's your country"
That is the MOST typical mentality of immigrant or a person living in the country where immigration is the main source of growing and developing community. Do you think it is coincident that gaining citizenship via right-by-soil is mostly common to northen and southen america? You can be born and grow up in UK, you still have to gain citizenship via naturalization. And UK is also extremely multicultural. Germany has same rules, they for example require 6 years of prior residential status (for statless person) compared to Estonian 5. So all countries not following right-by-soil in your opinion are true discriminators?
"I have met a number of Russians who's parent where send to Siberia or Kazahstan back in 1930-1950 (sometimes in that area)."
The fact that russians were sent to Sibera as well doesn't mean they had overall higher status. Logic, my friend. Policies favoring russian immigrant were strongly implemented on social level (apartments, cars etc). Also, in the higher ranks of any organization, russians were favored. That was all part of the great russification plan.
"I guess Russian and Ukrainians should thank the Estonians (but even more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_riflemen)"
I really don't see the connection you make from Latvia to Estonia. Or is the all same Baltics to you?
And tell me, were do you see the "emulation" and "same level of discrimination" as in soviet union. If still don't get it: russian speaking people have exactly the same rights as estonians do. I've told several time why couldn't we grant citizenship to all residents: majority issue, restoration of first republic and also the aspect that we would have in legal language said "look, there was no occupation". Our citizenship rules are quite soft, russians as minority can handle their own business including education in russian including using services of private companies (telcos, banks almost always have people speaking good russian) What on earth do you suppose still do that discriminates people?
First, you can read Wikipedia. Good. Read "83.6% of the Lithuanian population are ethnic Lithuanians". Estonia and Latvia didn't have that luxury. Also, estonia and latvia restored their republics. That isn't just a "hmm, let's see who we give citizenship today" game
There is actually. In private collection, not state funded of course. Well, technically, it's not SS soldier since it has none of the SS details on the uniform. However (as in Russia btw:)) SS items in private collections are not forbidden. Public SS attributes are. And who on earth told you that estonians (commonly, I don't speak for all estonians) see SS troops as liberators? We despise both sides.
Dude, what do you smoke? I want it too. So I can envision how estonia established soviet rule and how ru... i mean estonia has all the enemies around us.
It cannot be racist as there is no single race of US citizens:) And xenophobic... well I would certainly not call that xenophobic. If people want to live in a country, they must be loyal to that country and respect it.
Erm... giving back the properties illegaly taken by soviet union from people is a sure sign of corruption. And of course you fail to mention that the houses were returned to the owner no matter the nationality. I happened to live in the house at the Narva Road where it was returned to a russian owner. Also, things were not just simply given back but several regulations were in place. Like the owner had to find you comparable replacement, etc.
That rule was put in motion by local german governers who here long before the russians... Russian cultural influences, mentality and population were completely insignificant before WW2
I never justified discrimination but a different view to a country. But when looking at your naive views on Soviet Union, I can see clearly that you haven't lived in the small country occupied by big one. I've lived half of my life in USSR and tales you tell are just a nice fairytale.
"Even Soviet Union with how bad it was granted the citizenship to all people who were born there"
Yes, and if you tried to give it up, it was considered treason. Of course all were given SU citizenship. All there also very strictly bound to not leaving SU even for a tourist trip. Cheap tricks like not letting parents take their children with them were used if by some obsene luck you got tourist visa.
"but there were no discrimination there"
You clearly have no idea what discrimination is. Supressing freedom of speech, freedom of leaving USSR, living even in another member state, constant KGB surveiliance - that is not discrimination?
"Russian, Ukrainians, Poles, Estonia's, and others were all treated and arrested about the same (although Russian and Ukrainians suffered a bit much more then others, or so it seems)"
Wrong. Russians were always highest ranking and always had policies supporting them.
"but you have to agree that in language discrimination you went even beyond what was done in Soviet Union"
It was basically impossible to now know russian and to have ANY kind of decent job. Today one of the most rich people in Estonia are russian businessmen who still don't speak a word of estonian. Also, learning russian was obligatory from the 4th or 5th grade.
Don't talk about things you only know fairytales about.
Why should they have been granted free citizenship? It would be such a nice way: first you conquer the country for generation or two, move in ALOT of your people, then give it back the indepencence and then all those new citizens vote the country back to the arms of the occupier. Legal occupation, done:) Btw, if estonia would have given free citizenship to the all residents at 1991, there would have been 60% russians here. Meaning there would not have been Estonia but a province of Russian Federation.
Where do you get the idea that I accept the fact of dicrimination or the dicrimination itself? Nobody forces people here to speak estonian. You need to know estonian to become a citizen. Just as you need to know english to become the citizen of US. That of course, if you are not granted citizenship via birth. I already stated citizenship policies roughly fall into two categories in different countries. Countries with liberal immigration policies (like US which basically IS pure immigrant country) policies can allow citizenship-by-soil. But it really works with the few countries which have been "multicultural" for a really long time. Or from the start like US. I admin, I'm admired how good different nations get along in US and that it still "ticks". In europe, liberal immigration policies have brought mostly trouble to all countries. Immigrants are always in the constant state of unrest for a first 3-4 generations, it has been proved in several research i believe.
It has been proved that Russian embassy here had held several meetings with "Notsnoi Dozon" or nightwatch movement right before the riots. It is very pro-Moscow movement lead by people with very shady past. For example, one of the leaders was TASS (soviet main news agency) reporter during the USSR times but I personally know older people confirming his connections to KGB. After the riots I also personally realized one strange fact: as my route to work took me pass Russian Embassy in Tallinn every day, I started to wonder why in March there there so many "suits" talking to quite young people next to the embassy. One really paranoid person could say they were cooking something...
Sorry, but that is a blatant lie. There are around 100K people without citizenship, that is less than 10% of the population. And that number is shrinking remarkably fast. Russian schools have to learn using the same programme set by state as all. But IN russian. Only few classes must be held in estonian, estonian language class among on of them of course. Almost all bigger private companies have russian as one requirement for service staff. If people don't want to learn estonian at the most basic level to gain citizenship, if they don't want to know anything about the local culture and prefer live in the "infosphere" of neightbouring country I cannot call that discrimination. I can call it disloyalty to the country they live in.
Wrap your head around this: people against the actions of Red Army are not automatically pro-Nazi Germany. So take your fascism and stick it to your... Typical if you are not with us you are our enemy mentality. Also read some non-soviet history books. By the time Soviet Army "liberated" our capital, it wasn't the flag of germany raised to the Long Hermans' tower. Nazis were already retreated to germany. Your vojevik-osvobiditel fought against estonians defending their briefly redeclared independence.
I haven't been to the states but as far as I can remember you have one de facto official language and it is the one I'm using right now. Except Hawaii, but sure you agree it doesn't stand up in comparison. Also, if I can remember correctly you have to take English exam to gain citizenship via naturalization? And you also had some english limitations on the state jobs. And suprise: you don't have to speak estonian as well to be a citizen, you get your citizenship automatically if one of your parents is a citizen. Another suprise: people with living permits can vote here on local elections. So what should I come to see there, exactly? Maybe you should visit places outside US instead and understand that everything outside US is not like in Borat movie, not even in Kazakhstan:)
To compare US (truely multinational land that is made up of 99% immigrants) and Estonia (national state) is utterly ignorant. Also, it might come as a suprise for you but different countries have really different citizenship policies. I suggest you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
In short: there are countries who can afford the citizenship right-by-soil and there are countries who can't. In estonia, if we allowed right-by-soil, we would probably loose our independence in 20 years to Soviet.. I mean Russian Federation who just would have to bring here pregnant women en masse.
While I agree with you that people can be scum no matter the nationality, I would like to point out that mr Wiesenthal isn't the most reliable source when it comes to Estonia. He made a lot of noise here but then he got one veteran to the court, he lost. Latter he has constantly spread the lie that estonian authorities rejected to collaborate with him on this matter i.e. he rarely (if ever) mentioned that he lost the court case.
That I agree. I also don't think 100% pure of heart estonians of that time. I'm sure there were collaborators. But I would not put two great bads, Nazism and Stalinism to the balance. Both were extremely evil reigns and if one defeated another it doesn't make either of them better somehow. It's like having two robbers first fight with each other so that the winner can rob you and say "look, I saved you from the REALLY bad guy".
You won't receive any reasonable answer to the discrimination question from russians. I've tried that so many times and in the end it comes down to (if it comes down) "why do we need to speak Estonian to gain citizenship" or "if I was born on estonian soil, why isn't citizenship automatically granted for me". Or in some rare cases it is "I don't feel respected here".
Anti-semitism in Estonia is... what anti-semitism? First of all, hate needs passion and that is the metric most of estonians completely lack of:) Other reason is that jews, apart of many soviets (note that I don't use word russians), are generally really intelligent people not infected by "great motherland" syndrome so they learn the language and extremely respected for that(Estonians due to the really small population and decades of russinification really love their funny language). Russia of course sees it otherwise, I bet none of their propaganda channels, oops national TV channels, reported recent Shimon Peres visit to the Estonia where he showed solidarity with Estonia and also gave positive judgement to the relocation of the Bronze Soldier.
Your posting unfortunately contains all the typical soviet-neorussian mentality signs. First of all, independence was not granted to Estonia but estonians fought for it. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Indep endence. Secondly, rehabilitation of Stalin because under his mindless rule Soviets along with allies managed to defeat nazis. Nobody ever asks, how many lives would have been spared if Stalin would not have "cleaned" his higher ranking militia on the 30-s. Or how much more motivated the neightbours of SU would have been to fight the Nazis if were hadn't been massive killings and deportations before german occupation. And third, russians still think that world owns them something. That hungary should say "thank you for the tanks". That polish should kiss their feet after Soviets and Germany occupied Poland as allies in the beginning of the war, not to mention Katyn massacre. Ukrainians should be on their knees and forget the Holodomor, artificially greated famine that killed millions. Russian Federation is the heir of Soviet Union, unfortunately they also inherited the Soviet time "retouched" history as well.
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Dude, of course there were consentration camps here. How unfortuante it is, now Russia has everlasting right (at least in their heads) to destroy, rape, murder, claim and call everybody fascist here. It will be always like
Estonia: you occupied us. Russia: no we liberated you.
Estonia: you deported, murdered and killed tens of thousands. Russia: you had nazi concentration camps.
Estonia: you supressed our language, culture and freedom. Russia: Germany would have done the same.
Estonia: Stalin was a criminal. Russia: but he did win the war.
In other words, being part of Allies and winning the war gives them excuse for everything. We have a saying what translates to "winners are not judged". Russians take for granted that winning WW2 redeems all their horrible deeds before and after the war.
Heh, proudest period? Brothers had to fight brothers (one in nazi army, one in red army) and you call this our proudest period? You mindless soviet product. Only process that is accelerating is bringing Soviet crimes to the daylight and giving Soviet regime as despicable judgement as to nazi regime. And that ise the main reason, why russians would call us nazis, fascists (even then they don't know the meaning of the word) and whatever else. We are shattering their heroic illustions of the history of WW2 and boy, they get hysterical if someone tries to do that.
No, those were army people trying to stop people who did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre . Ask thousands who were deported and managed to not lose their lives in Siberia both before and after German occupation.
Germans and Soviets always found collaborators in occupied countries, scum has no nationality. Even the "liberator" Russia had collaborators, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov. And since Soviets did so much history "retouching" (see http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=710 just for a photo editing example) we probably know just a tip of the iceberg of the Soviet crimes.
So if people got killed, then they had to fight for their independence. And everything else not resulting in the loss of lives is not fighting? :) Lithuania had the smallest russian population at that time and they were unlucky country surronded by eastern block (i.e. away from western media attention). No wonder soviet army used guns most light-handed there.
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When they tried to took government by force in estonia, it wasn't done only using soviet army. It was mastered through local members of "Interfront" just they had done and tried to do here on 1940 and 1924. But at that time there was enormous unity between estonian people so "shields" of humans were used everywhere. For example, Interfront was made to leave government buildings just by gathering tens and tens of thousands supporters around the building. Estonians are quite numb people so our method of fighting was just to stand and maybe sing
"Strange and I always though that Stalin (does it get any higher then that?) and second man Beria were both Georgian" Not only those two men run the country and not only Stalin ruled during the Soviet era. Next you would probably throw in Khrushchev and Breznev, who were Ukrainian. But for example, Breznev started to declare really early in the 50-ies that he is Russian. I wonder, why...
"But when your house is already there, when you grew-up in there, when it's your country" That is the MOST typical mentality of immigrant or a person living in the country where immigration is the main source of growing and developing community. Do you think it is coincident that gaining citizenship via right-by-soil is mostly common to northen and southen america? You can be born and grow up in UK, you still have to gain citizenship via naturalization. And UK is also extremely multicultural. Germany has same rules, they for example require 6 years of prior residential status (for statless person) compared to Estonian 5. So all countries not following right-by-soil in your opinion are true discriminators?
"I have met a number of Russians who's parent where send to Siberia or Kazahstan back in 1930-1950 (sometimes in that area)." The fact that russians were sent to Sibera as well doesn't mean they had overall higher status. Logic, my friend. Policies favoring russian immigrant were strongly implemented on social level (apartments, cars etc). Also, in the higher ranks of any organization, russians were favored. That was all part of the great russification plan. "I guess Russian and Ukrainians should thank the Estonians (but even more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_riflemen)" I really don't see the connection you make from Latvia to Estonia. Or is the all same Baltics to you? And tell me, were do you see the "emulation" and "same level of discrimination" as in soviet union. If still don't get it: russian speaking people have exactly the same rights as estonians do. I've told several time why couldn't we grant citizenship to all residents: majority issue, restoration of first republic and also the aspect that we would have in legal language said "look, there was no occupation". Our citizenship rules are quite soft, russians as minority can handle their own business including education in russian including using services of private companies (telcos, banks almost always have people speaking good russian) What on earth do you suppose still do that discriminates people?
First, you can read Wikipedia. Good. Read "83.6% of the Lithuanian population are ethnic Lithuanians". Estonia and Latvia didn't have that luxury. Also, estonia and latvia restored their republics. That isn't just a "hmm, let's see who we give citizenship today" game
There is actually. In private collection, not state funded of course. Well, technically, it's not SS soldier since it has none of the SS details on the uniform. However (as in Russia btw:)) SS items in private collections are not forbidden. Public SS attributes are. And who on earth told you that estonians (commonly, I don't speak for all estonians) see SS troops as liberators? We despise both sides.
Dude, what do you smoke? I want it too. So I can envision how estonia established soviet rule and how ru... i mean estonia has all the enemies around us.
It cannot be racist as there is no single race of US citizens :) And xenophobic... well I would certainly not call that xenophobic. If people want to live in a country, they must be loyal to that country and respect it.
Erm... giving back the properties illegaly taken by soviet union from people is a sure sign of corruption. And of course you fail to mention that the houses were returned to the owner no matter the nationality. I happened to live in the house at the Narva Road where it was returned to a russian owner. Also, things were not just simply given back but several regulations were in place. Like the owner had to find you comparable replacement, etc.
That rule was put in motion by local german governers who here long before the russians... Russian cultural influences, mentality and population were completely insignificant before WW2
I never justified discrimination but a different view to a country. But when looking at your naive views on Soviet Union, I can see clearly that you haven't lived in the small country occupied by big one. I've lived half of my life in USSR and tales you tell are just a nice fairytale. "Even Soviet Union with how bad it was granted the citizenship to all people who were born there" Yes, and if you tried to give it up, it was considered treason. Of course all were given SU citizenship. All there also very strictly bound to not leaving SU even for a tourist trip. Cheap tricks like not letting parents take their children with them were used if by some obsene luck you got tourist visa. "but there were no discrimination there" You clearly have no idea what discrimination is. Supressing freedom of speech, freedom of leaving USSR, living even in another member state, constant KGB surveiliance - that is not discrimination? "Russian, Ukrainians, Poles, Estonia's, and others were all treated and arrested about the same (although Russian and Ukrainians suffered a bit much more then others, or so it seems)" Wrong. Russians were always highest ranking and always had policies supporting them. "but you have to agree that in language discrimination you went even beyond what was done in Soviet Union" It was basically impossible to now know russian and to have ANY kind of decent job. Today one of the most rich people in Estonia are russian businessmen who still don't speak a word of estonian. Also, learning russian was obligatory from the 4th or 5th grade. Don't talk about things you only know fairytales about.
Why should they have been granted free citizenship? It would be such a nice way: first you conquer the country for generation or two, move in ALOT of your people, then give it back the indepencence and then all those new citizens vote the country back to the arms of the occupier. Legal occupation, done :) Btw, if estonia would have given free citizenship to the all residents at 1991, there would have been 60% russians here. Meaning there would not have been Estonia but a province of Russian Federation.
Where do you get the idea that I accept the fact of dicrimination or the dicrimination itself? Nobody forces people here to speak estonian. You need to know estonian to become a citizen. Just as you need to know english to become the citizen of US. That of course, if you are not granted citizenship via birth. I already stated citizenship policies roughly fall into two categories in different countries. Countries with liberal immigration policies (like US which basically IS pure immigrant country) policies can allow citizenship-by-soil. But it really works with the few countries which have been "multicultural" for a really long time. Or from the start like US. I admin, I'm admired how good different nations get along in US and that it still "ticks". In europe, liberal immigration policies have brought mostly trouble to all countries. Immigrants are always in the constant state of unrest for a first 3-4 generations, it has been proved in several research i believe.
It has been proved that Russian embassy here had held several meetings with "Notsnoi Dozon" or nightwatch movement right before the riots. It is very pro-Moscow movement lead by people with very shady past. For example, one of the leaders was TASS (soviet main news agency) reporter during the USSR times but I personally know older people confirming his connections to KGB. After the riots I also personally realized one strange fact: as my route to work took me pass Russian Embassy in Tallinn every day, I started to wonder why in March there there so many "suits" talking to quite young people next to the embassy. One really paranoid person could say they were cooking something...
Sorry, but that is a blatant lie. There are around 100K people without citizenship, that is less than 10% of the population. And that number is shrinking remarkably fast. Russian schools have to learn using the same programme set by state as all. But IN russian. Only few classes must be held in estonian, estonian language class among on of them of course. Almost all bigger private companies have russian as one requirement for service staff. If people don't want to learn estonian at the most basic level to gain citizenship, if they don't want to know anything about the local culture and prefer live in the "infosphere" of neightbouring country I cannot call that discrimination. I can call it disloyalty to the country they live in.
Wrap your head around this: people against the actions of Red Army are not automatically pro-Nazi Germany. So take your fascism and stick it to your ... Typical if you are not with us you are our enemy mentality. Also read some non-soviet history books. By the time Soviet Army "liberated" our capital, it wasn't the flag of germany raised to the Long Hermans' tower. Nazis were already retreated to germany. Your vojevik-osvobiditel fought against estonians defending their briefly redeclared independence.
I haven't been to the states but as far as I can remember you have one de facto official language and it is the one I'm using right now. Except Hawaii, but sure you agree it doesn't stand up in comparison. Also, if I can remember correctly you have to take English exam to gain citizenship via naturalization? And you also had some english limitations on the state jobs. And suprise: you don't have to speak estonian as well to be a citizen, you get your citizenship automatically if one of your parents is a citizen. Another suprise: people with living permits can vote here on local elections. So what should I come to see there, exactly? Maybe you should visit places outside US instead and understand that everything outside US is not like in Borat movie, not even in Kazakhstan :)
To compare US (truely multinational land that is made up of 99% immigrants) and Estonia (national state) is utterly ignorant. Also, it might come as a suprise for you but different countries have really different citizenship policies. I suggest you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli In short: there are countries who can afford the citizenship right-by-soil and there are countries who can't. In estonia, if we allowed right-by-soil, we would probably loose our independence in 20 years to Soviet.. I mean Russian Federation who just would have to bring here pregnant women en masse.
While I agree with you that people can be scum no matter the nationality, I would like to point out that mr Wiesenthal isn't the most reliable source when it comes to Estonia. He made a lot of noise here but then he got one veteran to the court, he lost. Latter he has constantly spread the lie that estonian authorities rejected to collaborate with him on this matter i.e. he rarely (if ever) mentioned that he lost the court case.
That I agree. I also don't think 100% pure of heart estonians of that time. I'm sure there were collaborators. But I would not put two great bads, Nazism and Stalinism to the balance. Both were extremely evil reigns and if one defeated another it doesn't make either of them better somehow. It's like having two robbers first fight with each other so that the winner can rob you and say "look, I saved you from the REALLY bad guy".
You won't receive any reasonable answer to the discrimination question from russians. I've tried that so many times and in the end it comes down to (if it comes down) "why do we need to speak Estonian to gain citizenship" or "if I was born on estonian soil, why isn't citizenship automatically granted for me". Or in some rare cases it is "I don't feel respected here".
Anti-semitism in Estonia is ... what anti-semitism? First of all, hate needs passion and that is the metric most of estonians completely lack of :) Other reason is that jews, apart of many soviets (note that I don't use word russians), are generally really intelligent people not infected by "great motherland" syndrome so they learn the language and extremely respected for that(Estonians due to the really small population and decades of russinification really love their funny language). Russia of course sees it otherwise, I bet none of their propaganda channels, oops national TV channels, reported recent Shimon Peres visit to the Estonia where he showed solidarity with Estonia and also gave positive judgement to the relocation of the Bronze Soldier.
Your posting unfortunately contains all the typical soviet-neorussian mentality signs. First of all, independence was not granted to Estonia but estonians fought for it. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Indep endence. Secondly, rehabilitation of Stalin because under his mindless rule Soviets along with allies managed to defeat nazis. Nobody ever asks, how many lives would have been spared if Stalin would not have "cleaned" his higher ranking militia on the 30-s. Or how much more motivated the neightbours of SU would have been to fight the Nazis if were hadn't been massive killings and deportations before german occupation. And third, russians still think that world owns them something. That hungary should say "thank you for the tanks". That polish should kiss their feet after Soviets and Germany occupied Poland as allies in the beginning of the war, not to mention Katyn massacre. Ukrainians should be on their knees and forget the Holodomor, artificially greated famine that killed millions. Russian Federation is the heir of Soviet Union, unfortunately they also inherited the Soviet time "retouched" history as well.