Also, nobody is stopping the developers from implementing *better* network transparency *in* the compositors, with whatever protocol, be it SSH, RDP, VNC, whatever.
Wayland doesn't define network transparency in the protocol, but that doesn't mean that you can't do network transparency in the compositors or toolkits.
You still can possibly tell your compositors to pipe windows through SSH or something like that.
I wasn't trying to troll, I was only trying to encourage people to file bug reports, because the only thing I see here is people bitching about a FOSS and reverse-engineered project. Those people should at least submit bug reports.
Sorry about the way I expressed myself though, and I wasn't ignoring anything, I just wasn't aware that there were things still left to implement. Sorry.
Yeah just report it to the bug tracker or tell the devs about it on #nouveau. So someone else will look at it in the future (maybe) and so that the issue doesn't get lost. =D
That's right. The nvidia blob is actually a half-assed port of their Windows drivers to Linux, that's why the blob sucks so badly.
On the other hand, nouveau actually uses our existing Linux infrastructure. Nouveau does support KMS and XRandR properly. Also, XRandR uses KMS to change the resolution and stuff, since X is not in charge of handling resolution and depth anymore, KMS does that these days. So XRandR is just a wrapper to KMS these days.
Nouveau already has Wayland support also which also uses KMS.
Not to mention that a free driver (as in free speech) also gives developers and users more freedom in the sense that if we want to create new display servers (e.g. Wayland) we can do so without having to worry that a corporation like NVIDIA will support us. Which they already said they won't.
With proprietary drivers we lose a lot of control of our system.
With FOSS drivers we have the control, and this is the way it should be.
Options in the sense that those options will be there only for advanced users, e.g. inexperienced users won't see them if they don't want to, but experienced users will have them if they want to.
I really want to see Wayland being adopted soon too.
I think sane defaults is a good thing, however, the problem becomes when those sane defaults are the limitation, when you need to do something else and you cannot tweak things. That's when people start to become frustrated.
I don't think it would be a bad idea to provide a nice desktop with sane defaults and then add OPTIONS to do what more advanced users want to do.
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That's right.
Also, nobody is stopping the developers from implementing *better* network transparency *in* the compositors, with whatever protocol, be it SSH, RDP, VNC, whatever.
Wayland doesn't define network transparency in the protocol, but that doesn't mean that you can't do network transparency in the compositors or toolkits.
You still can possibly tell your compositors to pipe windows through SSH or something like that.
Have you seen DMA-BUF?
This seems to be the right solution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISTwKdq9xJo
I wasn't trying to troll, I was only trying to encourage people to file bug reports, because the only thing I see here is people bitching about a FOSS and reverse-engineered project. Those people should at least submit bug reports.
Sorry about the way I expressed myself though, and I wasn't ignoring anything, I just wasn't aware that there were things still left to implement. Sorry.
Well, enjoy using your blob, we are not interested in getting bug reports from someone who does not support progress on the Linux desktop,
that is... you.
Yeah just report it to the bug tracker or tell the devs about it on #nouveau. So someone else will look at it in the future (maybe) and so that the issue doesn't get lost. =D
Thanks.
BTW, if you get any GPU hardlocks or you hit bugs, please report them.
:-)
I've reported a few and the nouveau developers were really kind and assisted me on fixing them, at the end we fixed them all.
Here is the issue I had, the nouveau developers rock (thank you so much guys):
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40630
That's right. The nvidia blob is actually a half-assed port of their Windows drivers to Linux, that's why the blob sucks so badly.
:-)
On the other hand, nouveau actually uses our existing Linux infrastructure. Nouveau does support KMS and XRandR properly. Also, XRandR uses KMS to change the resolution and stuff, since X is not in charge of handling resolution and depth anymore, KMS does that these days. So XRandR is just a wrapper to KMS these days.
Nouveau already has Wayland support also which also uses KMS.
I see Nouveau replacing the blob in the future.
Kudos to everyone involved in Nouveau as well.
I was saying that there are many reasons to use Nouveau, one of them is that nouveau supports KMS and Wayland while the nvidia blob DOES NOT.
How about improving your reading comprehension? And what is exactly not working for you with nouveau? How about doing some bug reporting?
Have you at least done some bug reporting at least once in your life? I guess not, troll.
Troll, give more details as to what is so bad exactly, file bugs or GTFO.
Try HTML5 then.
Have you even done your part?
That is, reporting bugs?
Not to mention that nouveau supports KMS, Wayland, etc. It does a much better job than the blob in many things.
I have no doubt that when Nouveau gets better power management, better performance and VDPAU it will overtake the blob.
Not to mention that a free driver (as in free speech) also gives developers and users more freedom in the sense that if we want to create new display servers (e.g. Wayland) we can do so without having to worry that a corporation like NVIDIA will support us. Which they already said they won't.
With proprietary drivers we lose a lot of control of our system.
With FOSS drivers we have the control, and this is the way it should be.
Bad advice.
File bug reports instead and use the blob until the problem in nouveau is fixed. If that issue is blocking you.
The best way to support Nouveau is by using it and reporting issues.
Have you tried reporting bugs to the nouveau developers about the 3D issues you have?
The developers are very helpful and they helped me to resolve a few issues with nouveau in the past, they fixed the source of the problems I had.
Please always file issues for any issues you have.
Thanks.
For rubygems just use rbenv or RVM to install Ruby.
https://github.com/sstephenson/rbenv
http://beginrescueend.com/
Using rbenv or RVM will give you more up-to-date Ruby, it's what you are supposed to do in the Ruby world.
http://www.linode.com/
Yeah I was expecting something new like this would be working on Wayland already. I'm disappointed.
Wake me up when someone makes something like this work on Wayland.
+1 for Wayland.
You can use different toolkits in different OSs like Windows or Mac.
Nothing prevents you from installing GTK+ or Qt in OSX or Windows and develop with those toolkits.
Options in the sense that those options will be there only for advanced users, e.g. inexperienced users won't see them if they don't want to, but experienced users will have them if they want to.
I really want to see Wayland being adopted soon too.
I think sane defaults is a good thing, however, the problem becomes when those sane defaults are the limitation, when you need to do something else and you cannot tweak things. That's when people start to become frustrated.
I don't think it would be a bad idea to provide a nice desktop with sane defaults and then add OPTIONS to do what more advanced users want to do.
Regards.
I agree, that's one of the reasons I love mplayer for audio/video.
I just feed it with data and mplayer plays it, it doesn't get in my way with stupid GUIs.