That depends on your definition of freedom. I prefer freedom in the sense that I know the code will always remain free and available. As a developer and user I want my code to be always available, I also want contributors to never close what I made open in the first place. I prefer freedom in the sense of Free software, GPL and strong copy-left. AKA "Liberty or Death".
BSD brings uncertainty when it comes to having contributors closing the source code and not contributing back.
I agree when you say that network transparency is important, and that the right thing to do would be to have both things (networking and nice looks), sorry.
I disagree when you say that Wayland is irrelevant, I think Wayland is more relevant than ever now, and I'd like to see it succeed.
I've been using Linux since 1999, I remember when X got the COMPOSITE extension, it was soon after the XFree86->Xorg fork, and after the experimental KDrive stuff from Keith Packard. Then Xgl and AIGLX appeared also.
What I'm saying is that Wayland is interesting, and it makes sense to have it now that we have KMS.
Seriously, what's so bad about client-side decorations? Doesn't client-side decorations allows applications like Google Chrome to draw their own decorations. If it helps applications to draw their own decorations, what's the problem with that? There are people who likes that (me included). They could always implement an off switch to disable it if you don't like.
Also, I don't think nobody is trying to take network transparency away from you. Wayland developers just have other priorities now. And if there is a need for network transparency, it will be done. I don't doubt that.
Have you seen that GTK+3 demo that allows applications to be remotely accessed via HTML5? I know it's not the same, but it's still cool.
Well, how many desktop users actually use network transparency? (only a minority of users). And how many desktop users want applications that don't look like Windows 95 applications? (the majority of users).
Also, please add the ability to set higher and wide-screen resolutions in the game settings menu. So that the user doesn't have to tweak configuration files by hand.
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That depends on your definition of freedom. I prefer freedom in the sense that I know the code will always remain free and available. As a developer and user I want my code to be always available, I also want contributors to never close what I made open in the first place. I prefer freedom in the sense of Free software, GPL and strong copy-left. AKA "Liberty or Death".
BSD brings uncertainty when it comes to having contributors closing the source code and not contributing back.
I don't think so. Wayland will have network transparency if there is a need. maybe through the GUI toolkits (Qt, GTK+, etc).
Sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker.
I agree when you say that network transparency is important, and that the right thing to do would be to have both things (networking and nice looks), sorry.
I disagree when you say that Wayland is irrelevant, I think Wayland is more relevant than ever now, and I'd like to see it succeed.
Couldn't we move the network transparency stuff in a separate library or server and have the GUI toolkits use that (GTK+, Qt, etc)?
Wouldn't that work? Does it HAVE to be in the display server layer?
Making it optionally in a library would be nice I think.
I've been using Linux since 1999, I remember when X got the COMPOSITE extension, it was soon after the XFree86->Xorg fork, and after the experimental KDrive stuff from Keith Packard. Then Xgl and AIGLX appeared also.
What I'm saying is that Wayland is interesting, and it makes sense to have it now that we have KMS.
Seriously, what's so bad about client-side decorations? Doesn't client-side decorations allows applications like Google Chrome to draw their own decorations. If it helps applications to draw their own decorations, what's the problem with that? There are people who likes that (me included). They could always implement an off switch to disable it if you don't like.
Also, I don't think nobody is trying to take network transparency away from you. Wayland developers just have other priorities now. And if there is a need for network transparency, it will be done. I don't doubt that.
Have you seen that GTK+3 demo that allows applications to be remotely accessed via HTML5? I know it's not the same, but it's still cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO-qca9ddqg
Well, how many desktop users actually use network transparency? (only a minority of users). And how many desktop users want applications that don't look like Windows 95 applications? (the majority of users).
See how Wayland fits in the picture very well?
Agreed. Wayland is the way of the future. I hope we'll be able to use soon for real.
Windows 8? I don't think that's consistent UI.
Wayland should improve most of those things a lot.
Fuck you corrupted politicians.
For Linux my wishes are:
PulseAudio, ALSA, Wayland, 64-bit support.
Also, please add the ability to set higher and wide-screen resolutions in the game settings menu. So that the user doesn't have to tweak configuration files by hand.
Thanks.
+1
Move along. Get Linux.
I hope it will work with Wayland, I look forward to Wayland.
my thoughts exactly
Linux + ThinkPad FTW.
Try nouveau if you have a nvidia card, it works very well.
Does it have any Windows support? Does it support USB 2.0?
Everyone just complaints and nobody does anything to fix problems. Bunch of whiners.
WTF is going on?
X already has a replacement and it's currently being developed, the replacement is called Wayland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
I also want a X replacement, Linux deserves a better display server (Wayland).
Wayland, have you heard of it?
http://wayland.freedesktop.org/
I agree with you 100%. I love Free Software too.
100% agree with you.