I can see potential for microkernels on current hardware. All it needs to do is get to 3.2 and include the noveau X.org driver, along with a few drivers so you can put together a PC that's supported, a port of Wine, Firefox and Gnash, OO.o and you'd be having a production OS. Especialy in five years time.
Maybe you should give this guy a break... You can say all you can, but this guy doesn't quit chasing his ideals/vision. I'd love to see you getting 3,3 milion from the EU;)
Quick! If we hurry then we can release Linux 3.0 and Gnome 3.0 simultaneously. YEAH MAN! It'll be all like the future 'n shit! Where these Microkernel are all in, like, flying cars fulled by electricity 'nd stuff!
I'm gonna make adrawing of how like 2050 will look like! Yeeaaahh... with robots cleaning up our houses, space travel, landing on Mars for like vacation 'n stuff. And yeah... hollographic screens everywhere, with devices around your body that let's you feel pain by playing Doom4 all in Pov-Ray, because compyoutrrrs will be fast enough with 100gHz and a million cores 'n shit!
30% hit compared to what? Compared to itself if it wasn't a Microkernel?
Remember that the microkernel has only 4000 lines of code. Remember that on Linux the graphics drivers are also in userspace, in X11, on top of the shell that is on top of the Linux kernel.
It sure as hell shouldn't be any slower than Linux...
That would take a loooooong time. First Minix needs to a reach 'gold/stable' release. Then there are the X11 galium noveau and open source ATI driver. Then we are going to need sound support, a port of Gnome and/or KDE 4.8:') and soundcard and network drivers.
By that time DNF is probably released for Windows NT 7.0 and Wine has kept up with Windows 7 to run it...
Ubuntu is a particular flavor of Linux. Much like a pitbull is a particular type of dog.
Not really. You have the Kernel (Linux) and the GNU toolchain, and for everything else you have different network managers, window managers, apps, user interfaces, API's, layers, drvers, etc.
I was referring to misleading information presented by Linux fans/users (that includes, but is not limited to, Ubuntu fans/users). Linux's strengths are often oversold (and that includes software you'd typically expect to use on Linux. Open Office, for example. I was told, countless times, that it would do 'Everything Office does' - until I installed it, had problems, and returned to the forums to *then* discover, it had a long list of short comings. You can find old articles about Linux from 2000 saying how greatly improved it is and how it's ready for the average home user. Then, in 2001 saying how, in the past, hardware support sucked and it was only for geeks, BUT NOW, it's ready for the average home user. You can find that same article, every year, for the past 10 years).
True, OO.o sucks at some points and rocks at others. But the same can be said about how the new Windows 7 is awesome only to wine a year later with the new Windows anouncement in what user hope to get fixed, because a shitload of it sucked.
You are certainly free to disagree with my statement that Linux is often over-hyped by the Linux community, but I used the terms correctly.
No; I totally agree with you. But if you think that that is over-hyping than basically all OS's are kinda over-hyped if you'd ask me. Try to also focus on Linux' advantages. It has many. I only see the small percentage of problems with Linux in criticism, while the whole lot is on avarage completely awesome.
KDE4 = 4th series of KDE.
KDE 4.0 = is the first 'official' release and was for developers to start porting their apps to KDE4 technology.
KDE 4.1 = Sort of the road between developper and enduser release.
KDE 4.2 = The first, kind of naked, enduser release with not a lot of features.
KDE 4.3 and above = upcomming releases for endusers geared to getting as much features as they can.
KDE is revolutionary in the way the desktop (Plasma) works.
Ever cared to look at KDE4? It bows any 'advanced' and 'pretty' DE aka GUI into oblivion to the point where the Mac's interface is plain dull, ugly and boring.
Agreed completely, but it's irrelevant. IP isn't about thoughts, it's about works.
So according to you it's even worse; you can't freely share and/or express your thoughts. Only the person that does that first is allowed to. That person, according to IP, should also be in complete control of it, extending it to the point that someone who decides to ignore it can be put in jail by the 'First Thinker' if the FT sees fit, through the channel of 'justice'. My god...
New York used to run RedHat, but now it runs Windows and has had two crashes in just the first year. You have probably not seen the MS adds all over the place. Addblock-plus?;)
Hms, cloud computing... Not really sure about that... Seems like another bubble waiting to burst.
Avarage users don't know about it. Power users don't want to deal with the speed of it. The current internet infrastructure makes it too expensive for anyone but the people in Japan to use it.
If you don't have Coreboot then you have a master password. What's the manufacturor of that motherboard?
Since the lock can be opened with a key, you can open it with an identical key. You can make an identical key with a credit card and a knife.
There are lockpicking hobbyists who do it just for fun of it and not for criminal intent. I remember reading an article (I thought it was on/. but I'm not sure) that there was only one lock in the world that these guys could not open. You could buy it somehere in Denmark or Sweden if I am not mistaking. In any case it was in some European country.
Do you want to fit the group so badly? If your interested in this kinda stuff on/. then welcome, on behalf of everyone who also thinks it's interesting.
The definition of a nerd is a person who is simultaniously interested in mature, more inteligent stuff and also very childish things at the same time. A person is only a nerd if he also fits the "Jikes! Go away loser." -"Yeah go play with your Star... Wars... whatever toys" group of people.
I am not really the nerd kinda guy... et all. But who cares? I like it here so it is here I stay... Go make up your own damn mind.
Depends how well you know Vista when you are running Linux daily... but if he knows Vista as much as his Linux distro's, then that is defenately a feature, hands down.
You can hackz0rs the lock with a credit card and a knife. The bios lock isn't going to do any good either because you could humanly brute force it with manufacturer mother passwords.
Then if we're getting aboard the commonsence-, just-use-your-brain train; the word owning was invented for reserving something out of a public pool of many things exlusively for a person or a group of people to allow capitalism.
Capitalism is trading goods for the right of buying other good, or just for goods.
Are thoughts goods? Is your thinking part of a public pool, like your arm?
The answer is no. Why? Thoughts are states of the brain. The brain is like your arm. You could be selling your brain. You cannot sell it or trade the state/position of your arm, just like the state of your brain, because thoughts and arm positions are part of everyones body, that people allready own.
In other words; thinking like you would become stealing, which is a paradox in the system, making the system impossible.
The combination of the words intelectual and property is thus contradicting itself.
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Ouch... well if X.org's drivers could suffice for atracting potential users so later on Minix drivers could be created.
I can see potential for microkernels on current hardware. All it needs to do is get to 3.2 and include the noveau X.org driver, along with a few drivers so you can put together a PC that's supported, a port of Wine, Firefox and Gnash, OO.o and you'd be having a production OS. Especialy in five years time.
Maybe you should give this guy a break... You can say all you can, but this guy doesn't quit chasing his ideals/vision. I'd love to see you getting 3,3 milion from the EU ;)
Quick! If we hurry then we can release Linux 3.0 and Gnome 3.0 simultaneously. YEAH MAN! It'll be all like the future 'n shit! Where these Microkernel are all in, like, flying cars fulled by electricity 'nd stuff!
I'm gonna make adrawing of how like 2050 will look like! Yeeaaahh... with robots cleaning up our houses, space travel, landing on Mars for like vacation 'n stuff. And yeah... hollographic screens everywhere, with devices around your body that let's you feel pain by playing Doom4 all in Pov-Ray, because compyoutrrrs will be fast enough with 100gHz and a million cores 'n shit!
Oh my god... I forgot time travel!!1111one11
I for one only notice stuff getting into the kernel. But then again I only follow /. and Phoronix for the most part...
I think Wine would be a good example of 'stuff outside the kernel' in a distro.
You can ask yourself why this is the case...
HURD is almost practically impossible because it's extremely hard to debug.
For everything else commercial: nobody did it because of problems with speed and deadlines.
Ever seen Vista? That can-do-nothing-right-OS is heavyer than any microkernel implementations that I have ever seen.
In other words; the right kernel at the worng time.
30% hit compared to what? Compared to itself if it wasn't a Microkernel?
Remember that the microkernel has only 4000 lines of code. Remember that on Linux the graphics drivers are also in userspace, in X11, on top of the shell that is on top of the Linux kernel.
It sure as hell shouldn't be any slower than Linux...
That would take a loooooong time. First Minix needs to a reach 'gold/stable' release. Then there are the X11 galium noveau and open source ATI driver. Then we are going to need sound support, a port of Gnome and/or KDE 4.8 :') and soundcard and network drivers.
By that time DNF is probably released for Windows NT 7.0 and Wine has kept up with Windows 7 to run it...
What plan? Bringing gaming to Linux? Oh wait...
You were acting like you didn't use KDE. ThÃt was lame.
Lame
IP isn't about thoughts, it's about works.
Than it's sad that it is not enforced that way...
Ubuntu is a particular flavor of Linux. Much like a pitbull is a particular type of dog.
Not really. You have the Kernel (Linux) and the GNU toolchain, and for everything else you have different network managers, window managers, apps, user interfaces, API's, layers, drvers, etc.
I was referring to misleading information presented by Linux fans/users (that includes, but is not limited to, Ubuntu fans/users). Linux's strengths are often oversold (and that includes software you'd typically expect to use on Linux. Open Office, for example. I was told, countless times, that it would do 'Everything Office does' - until I installed it, had problems, and returned to the forums to *then* discover, it had a long list of short comings. You can find old articles about Linux from 2000 saying how greatly improved it is and how it's ready for the average home user. Then, in 2001 saying how, in the past, hardware support sucked and it was only for geeks, BUT NOW, it's ready for the average home user. You can find that same article, every year, for the past 10 years).
True, OO.o sucks at some points and rocks at others. But the same can be said about how the new Windows 7 is awesome only to wine a year later with the new Windows anouncement in what user hope to get fixed, because a shitload of it sucked.
You are certainly free to disagree with my statement that Linux is often over-hyped by the Linux community, but I used the terms correctly.
No; I totally agree with you. But if you think that that is over-hyping than basically all OS's are kinda over-hyped if you'd ask me. Try to also focus on Linux' advantages. It has many. I only see the small percentage of problems with Linux in criticism, while the whole lot is on avarage completely awesome.
KDE4 = 4th series of KDE.
KDE 4.0 = is the first 'official' release and was for developers to start porting their apps to KDE4 technology.
KDE 4.1 = Sort of the road between developper and enduser release.
KDE 4.2 = The first, kind of naked, enduser release with not a lot of features.
KDE 4.3 and above = upcomming releases for endusers geared to getting as much features as they can.
KDE is revolutionary in the way the desktop (Plasma) works.
Ubuntu = Linux
Linux != Ubuntu
Ever cared to look at KDE4? It bows any 'advanced' and 'pretty' DE aka GUI into oblivion to the point where the Mac's interface is plain dull, ugly and boring.
Agreed completely, but it's irrelevant. IP isn't about thoughts, it's about works.
So according to you it's even worse; you can't freely share and/or express your thoughts. Only the person that does that first is allowed to. That person, according to IP, should also be in complete control of it, extending it to the point that someone who decides to ignore it can be put in jail by the 'First Thinker' if the FT sees fit, through the channel of 'justice'. My god...
I'm sorry, but to me that's total insanity.
New York used to run RedHat, but now it runs Windows and has had two crashes in just the first year. You have probably not seen the MS adds all over the place. Addblock-plus? ;)
You can start downloading the beta KDE Plasma shell and applications right now with the KDE Windows Installer.
Lol, no. The Gnome defaults are kind of limiting. But ehm... what can Explorer do that the defaults of Gnome can't?
Hms, cloud computing... Not really sure about that... Seems like another bubble waiting to burst.
Avarage users don't know about it. Power users don't want to deal with the speed of it. The current internet infrastructure makes it too expensive for anyone but the people in Japan to use it.
The NY stock exchange has been Linux for a long time, without any problems... until Microsoft came about a year ago?
Two major crashes have happened, with only one (the firts one) being a Microsoft fault.
Microsoft made promotion with it, but due to the two crashes it became a major backlash.
Now, TFA is about what is possible and proved with Linux. It's not an indicator for how much world domination it has...
Using something for a purpose it was not invented/created for makes you a hacker, not a nerd persé.
If you don't have Coreboot then you have a master password. What's the manufacturor of that motherboard?
Since the lock can be opened with a key, you can open it with an identical key. You can make an identical key with a credit card and a knife.
There are lockpicking hobbyists who do it just for fun of it and not for criminal intent. I remember reading an article (I thought it was on /. but I'm not sure) that there was only one lock in the world that these guys could not open. You could buy it somehere in Denmark or Sweden if I am not mistaking. In any case it was in some European country.
Do you want to fit the group so badly? If your interested in this kinda stuff on /. then welcome, on behalf of everyone who also thinks it's interesting.
The definition of a nerd is a person who is simultaniously interested in mature, more inteligent stuff and also very childish things at the same time. A person is only a nerd if he also fits the "Jikes! Go away loser." -"Yeah go play with your Star... Wars... whatever toys" group of people.
I am not really the nerd kinda guy... et all. But who cares? I like it here so it is here I stay... Go make up your own damn mind.
Depends how well you know Vista when you are running Linux daily... but if he knows Vista as much as his Linux distro's, then that is defenately a feature, hands down.
You can hackz0rs the lock with a credit card and a knife. The bios lock isn't going to do any good either because you could humanly brute force it with manufacturer mother passwords.
Then if we're getting aboard the commonsence-, just-use-your-brain train; the word owning was invented for reserving something out of a public pool of many things exlusively for a person or a group of people to allow capitalism.
Capitalism is trading goods for the right of buying other good, or just for goods.
Are thoughts goods? Is your thinking part of a public pool, like your arm?
The answer is no. Why? Thoughts are states of the brain. The brain is like your arm. You could be selling your brain. You cannot sell it or trade the state/position of your arm, just like the state of your brain, because thoughts and arm positions are part of everyones body, that people allready own.
In other words; thinking like you would become stealing, which is a paradox in the system, making the system impossible.
The combination of the words intelectual and property is thus contradicting itself.