You seem to have jumped to another topic. Your original post claimed that $400 million was far too much to relocate a town of 390 people and, with a rough calculation, you figured that less than 1 million would suffice. I disagreed and said it might be a conservative estimate then explained why, but you've shown no willingness to defend your claim. This makes it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.
Please don't put words in my mount and then accuse me of trolling. I never gave any estimate of costs, so why should I be required to "defend" a claim I never made?
To quote you, when you do this sort of thing, "This makes it very difficult to take anything you say seriously."
If they wish to simulate it, let them do it on their own nickel. If they wish to really live by the pre-euro-invasion standards, then accomodate them, which is, as you point out, also cheap.
Sorry - I certainly didn't mean to. Last year, the local Chapters had the 3-book set on the shelf. I made a note to myself to pick it up sometime... (had other books I was buying at the time)... went back, they were no longer there. I figured "who else would buy it?" Guess I was wrong...:-(
People who comment on boards just like to hear themselves talk. You don't want them.
People who read the comments and learn from them - that's who you want. But don't hire the people who feel the need to pontificate.
Seriously, why do you guys post? It's a huge waste of time. And for what?
Why? Because its there!
Okay, not the most original line...;-0
I could be sarcastic and say "tell us what miraculous technology you're going to use to contact the people just read, but don't comment... the FBI, DHS, CIA all want to talk to you".
One example should suffice - see this poll (currently running on the front page as I'm posting this). Obviously, over 34,000 people found it interesting. It was copied from this journal entry.
Why not read some of the user's comments? As you said, "People who read the comments and learn from them - that's who you want"... you won't get any of that going on if nobody posts.
We are living and walking around on soil that we took from Native people by force.
Go back far enough in history, and your ancestors can make the same claim to someone elses' ancestors. AND vice versa.
At some point, the statute of limitations has to come into effect.
We cannot turn back the clock. Time to move on.
For example, the descendents of the Irish and Scots and French who were forcibly settled in N. American aren't going back to the "mother countries" and kick out the descendents who are still living there...
Really, its time to move on. If you didn't make a claim before the end of the last century, forget it.
You have to work with the tools and resources at hand. In this case, slashdot is one such resource - why not (forgive the market-speak) *cough* leverage the synergies *cough* to troll for talent?
Good programmers are looking for stuff that challenges them, makes them think, lets them play with interesting concepts and code. As an aside, I would think that telling them "we'll be working in windows vista, using visual studio 2008" means you've already lost them - everyone with any brains knows Vista is a turkey. Telling them that one of the targets is Vista is another story. It would be normal to test for as many platforms as possible, and one of those, like it or not, could be Vista.
Sure, you can do all the things you suggest... but, since we're having this discussion on/., why not look right here as well?
Think for 2 seconds... they are suing because of the effects of "GLOBAL" warming. Picking them up and moving them somewhere else is only a stop-gap measure. GLOBAL == everywhere. In other words, its time to move on.
Their lawsuit stipulates that global warming is a fact. By the logic of their stipulation, there is no permanent solution. They need to accept that, and move on.
Besides, if they require all the things you say, they certainly are no longer living the same life their forebearers did. I'm sure their "traditional lifestyle" didn't include:
landing strip, communication facility (satcom), telephone, power generating facility, electrical systems, storage facilities for diesel fuel, water supply, water treatment facilities, something like utilidor (insulated everything-in-a-tube conduit for water, sewer, etc
In other words, if they have all this, they've already been assimilated. Think about it for a minute... they're suing, aren't they? Sounds pretty much like they've absorbed non-native American culture pretty well.
In which case they aren't visible on slashdot anyway, so you won't see them in the first place.
Besides, what do you think coders do when they want to take a break or blow off some steam? Some of us hit slashdot. At some point, you just HAVE to comment on something or other.
Or if you're like me, you maintain work and non-work accounts under separate uids.
I don't know what planet you live on but this may be a cheap estimate. 390 people = 390 new houses + new town infrastructure (schools, roads, medical services, radio generators and the list goes on). Even if you move them to an existing site, you will likely have to pay to upgrade the above infrastructure on that site to handle the extra people. Finally, don't forget that all of this must be done at northern prices, which could range anywhere from 2X - 10X what you might pay down here.
What, 1 house per person? Come off it.
Also, if they need all these "modern conveniences", then they are no longer "practicing their culture" as it existed before the "European invaders" showed up - they've been assimilated, and can settle in a town of their choosing. If they don't need these modern amenities, then it will be dirt cheap to set them up, since you won't need much in the way of infrastructure.
Just how much "infrastructure" do you think there was before the "white euro-trash" showed up, anyway?
There were no roads, no radio generators, no heavy equipment, no snowmobiles, no 4x4s, no rifles, no hospitals, no antibiotics, etc.
Cultural sensitivity is all very well and good, but in this case, we're looking at what doctors call the "green poultice" - the application of money makes the hurt go away...
I would not be so sure. It is a native subsistence community.
So you have to build an alternative city somewhere where they can practice their culture and so on. This means building it in the middle of bloody nowhere.
If that place is to be also connected by roads to the civilisation the overall bill may run into much more than 400M. In fact 400M is pretty much a fair price for relocating them to a suitable location.
Why would you build a road there, etc.? After all, if its "subsistence level" and in isolation so that they can "practice their culture", then a month's worth of helicopter runs should do it.
The simple fact is that it isn't possible OR practical any more to "practice their culture" in total isolation from the rest of the world without losing the bennies that come with contact with the rest of society - like hospitals, snowmobiles, rifles, gore-tex, satellite tv, modern roads, etc.
We're in the 21st century now. Time to move along a bit, I think...
Just ask them who CowboyNeal is. If you get a blank stare, go on to the next candidate.
Next, ask them for their slashdot uid, and look at some of their posts, and their friends/foes. You'll get a good idea as to what others in the community think of them. No friends? Guess they had nothing to say. No foes? Shies from controversy or doesn't have strong opinions. No journal entries? Possible indicator that they're not much into sharing experiences, knowledge, etc.
Engage them in open discussion in a thread or 3. Easy enough to do - just look at their profile page and track their latest comments.
Lets face it, the biggest problem with development (and what causes the most failures) is not the "superstar" quality of the ocders, but their ability to work as a team, which basically means "management" by the program lead. If the lead isn't able to socialize outside the coding group (and open up the barriers between the coders and the rest of the business), you're either going to fail, have lots of delays, or a really poor product.
We give a lot of lip service to communications, but communications is more than just emails and meetings. Most real communications are one-on-one, with a bit of socializing thrown in. People are more likely to be open and honest about problem areas, and to offer their opinions and solutions, outside of the "formal development process".
Do you have any idea how many trees he would have to plant for even ONE flight? And how much energy would be used to plant those trees?
If Gore really wanted to reduce his carbon footprint, he'd use the internet to "meet" with people - but that wouldn't generate as much $$$$ as personal appearance do.
Then add up all the extra energy used by people who drive to each of his "events".
Al Gore really is a "do as I say, not as I do" politician. Maybe that's what it takes, but it is hypocritical to some of us. Want to encouraging telecommuting at work? Point to Gore as an example of how telepresence works... oh, wait - he doesn't do that sort of thing - he wants ATTENDANCE and MEETINGS and MONEY!
"The point being that if you define a max size for a field, you're bound to meet some data larger than you expected which needs to be truncated to fit."
If you're really worried about that, reserve the first 8 bytes for the data size. 2^64 bytes ought to be enough for anyone;-)
This isn't new - pascal pStrings reserved one byte at the head for the actual string length . The pString is 256 chars long, with the "real" first byte being the actual length. This is also why you were limited to 255 characters - not because they were null-terminated, but because one byte was reserved for the width. Then when Borland implemented longer strings, they reserved the first bytes for the length.
This is actually a decent implementation for two reasons:
you no longer have to worry about embedded nulls;
you get the length of the string without having to scan it for the terminating null
I am now enlightened. Eight different tools to accomplish a task is the dream of every employee on a project deadline.
The right tool for the right job. Or do you use the same type of paper to wipe your ass that you use to write your TPS reports?
Some people like IDEs, some don't. I liked Borlands' old text-based IDEs (TC, BC++), and the earlier Delphi ones - the later ones are cruftyjunkified beyond belief; Eclipse, even stretched out across 2 monitors, has the same problem. But that's just me - someone else might find that same IDE to be great for them. Just like there might be occasions where you'd want to use a TPS report to wipe your arse, before handing it in...
I'll help you out. Most developers I know don't mind buying a new computer every couple of years. I could give a shit if a DEVELOPMENT IDE runs on a 10 year old computer.
I generally buy at least one generation behind - more bang for the buck. Then, after a few years, I slap some upgrades on it (ram, hd, video) and get at least another couple of years out of it. I have yet to have a box that hasn't given service for at least half a decade, from the pre-pc boxes, to the 286-20, the 386-40, the p200 (skipped the 486, since the 386-40 ran faster than the 486-66), the duron 1`400+, and now the athlon 2600+...
The duron is almost a decade old, and with a 256 meg video card, 1600x1200 monitor, a gig of ram, and a new firewire card, it runs fine. The 2600+ got its video and ram upgrades last fall, and will run fine for at least another year or three... (though I did remove the 3rd monitor).
Of course it helps that I'm not running Windows, or I'd have to toss both those boxes in the trash...
"Tag Soup" - great for those on a diet - lots of filler to help keep you "regular", low on content, so its less fattening! Bloats right up so you feel full right away!
can some slashdotters recommend an equivalent in the open source software that is as mature and robust as the three said software listed in the page.
For me, its command-line prompt in bash to compile from, syntax-highlighting editor (vim or kate) to code with, and the lamp stack to deploy on. Make, grep, some perl-fu, svn if you want to have a repository - it might not be "integrated", but it IS a great development environment, and VERY customizable.
The latest version of eclipse starts up fast enough if you have a couple of gigs of ram... it just doesn't offer me what I want/need (yes, I know it can "sort of" handle c/c++, but I find it STILL gets in the way).
Slashdot Mirror
It *is* a stupid policy.
If you don't want your troops to lose morale because of the blogs, let them know what's really going on ... oops, that won't work either ...
Next step - installing spyware, so that in Soviet Amerikan Army, blog reads YOU!
Keep telling yourself that ... after all, your job depends on you continuing to drink the purple flavor-aid.
While you're at it, why not throw another chair on the fire ... its kind of chilly today.
Please don't put words in my mount and then accuse me of trolling. I never gave any estimate of costs, so why should I be required to "defend" a claim I never made?
To quote you, when you do this sort of thing, "This makes it very difficult to take anything you say seriously."
If they wish to simulate it, let them do it on their own nickel. If they wish to really live by the pre-euro-invasion standards, then accomodate them, which is, as you point out, also cheap.
I'll give you a hint - see the "Can you afford to cut up your credit cards?" poll currently running on the front page?
Look through the comments, and you'll find the original author's journal :-)
Sorry - I certainly didn't mean to. Last year, the local Chapters had the 3-book set on the shelf. I made a note to myself to pick it up sometime ... (had other books I was buying at the time) ... went back, they were no longer there. I figured "who else would buy it?" Guess I was wrong ... :-(
Why? Because its there!
Okay, not the most original line ... ;-0
I could be sarcastic and say "tell us what miraculous technology you're going to use to contact the people just read, but don't comment ... the FBI, DHS, CIA all want to talk to you".
One example should suffice - see this poll (currently running on the front page as I'm posting this). Obviously, over 34,000 people found it interesting. It was copied from this journal entry.
Why not read some of the user's comments? As you said, "People who read the comments and learn from them - that's who you want" ... you won't get any of that going on if nobody posts.
Go back far enough in history, and your ancestors can make the same claim to someone elses' ancestors. AND vice versa.
At some point, the statute of limitations has to come into effect.
We cannot turn back the clock. Time to move on.
For example, the descendents of the Irish and Scots and French who were forcibly settled in N. American aren't going back to the "mother countries" and kick out the descendents who are still living there ...
Really, its time to move on. If you didn't make a claim before the end of the last century, forget it.
You have to work with the tools and resources at hand. In this case, slashdot is one such resource - why not (forgive the market-speak) *cough* leverage the synergies *cough* to troll for talent?
Good programmers are looking for stuff that challenges them, makes them think, lets them play with interesting concepts and code. As an aside, I would think that telling them "we'll be working in windows vista, using visual studio 2008" means you've already lost them - everyone with any brains knows Vista is a turkey. Telling them that one of the targets is Vista is another story. It would be normal to test for as many platforms as possible, and one of those, like it or not, could be Vista.
Sure, you can do all the things you suggest ... but, since we're having this discussion on /., why not look right here as well?
Think for 2 seconds ... they are suing because of the effects of "GLOBAL" warming. Picking them up and moving them somewhere else is only a stop-gap measure. GLOBAL == everywhere. In other words, its time to move on.
Their lawsuit stipulates that global warming is a fact. By the logic of their stipulation, there is no permanent solution. They need to accept that, and move on.
Besides, if they require all the things you say, they certainly are no longer living the same life their forebearers did. I'm sure their "traditional lifestyle" didn't include:
In other words, if they have all this, they've already been assimilated. Think about it for a minute ... they're suing, aren't they? Sounds pretty much like they've absorbed non-native American culture pretty well.
In which case they aren't visible on slashdot anyway, so you won't see them in the first place.
Besides, what do you think coders do when they want to take a break or blow off some steam? Some of us hit slashdot. At some point, you just HAVE to comment on something or other.
Or if you're like me, you maintain work and non-work accounts under separate uids.
What, 1 house per person? Come off it.
Also, if they need all these "modern conveniences", then they are no longer "practicing their culture" as it existed before the "European invaders" showed up - they've been assimilated, and can settle in a town of their choosing. If they don't need these modern amenities, then it will be dirt cheap to set them up, since you won't need much in the way of infrastructure.
Just how much "infrastructure" do you think there was before the "white euro-trash" showed up, anyway?
There were no roads, no radio generators, no heavy equipment, no snowmobiles, no 4x4s, no rifles, no hospitals, no antibiotics, etc.
Cultural sensitivity is all very well and good, but in this case, we're looking at what doctors call the "green poultice" - the application of money makes the hurt go away ...
The simple fact is that it isn't possible OR practical any more to "practice their culture" in total isolation from the rest of the world without losing the bennies that come with contact with the rest of society - like hospitals, snowmobiles, rifles, gore-tex, satellite tv, modern roads, etc.
We're in the 21st century now. Time to move along a bit, I think ...
Lets face it, the biggest problem with development (and what causes the most failures) is not the "superstar" quality of the ocders, but their ability to work as a team, which basically means "management" by the program lead. If the lead isn't able to socialize outside the coding group (and open up the barriers between the coders and the rest of the business), you're either going to fail, have lots of delays, or a really poor product.
We give a lot of lip service to communications, but communications is more than just emails and meetings. Most real communications are one-on-one, with a bit of socializing thrown in. People are more likely to be open and honest about problem areas, and to offer their opinions and solutions, outside of the "formal development process".
Do you have any idea how many trees he would have to plant for even ONE flight? And how much energy would be used to plant those trees?
If Gore really wanted to reduce his carbon footprint, he'd use the internet to "meet" with people - but that wouldn't generate as much $$$$ as personal appearance do.
Then add up all the extra energy used by people who drive to each of his "events".
Al Gore really is a "do as I say, not as I do" politician. Maybe that's what it takes, but it is hypocritical to some of us. Want to encouraging telecommuting at work? Point to Gore as an example of how telepresence works ... oh, wait - he doesn't do that sort of thing - he wants ATTENDANCE and MEETINGS and MONEY!
they aren't living in igloos. They have rifles, snowmobiles, 4x4s, satellite tv, etc.
They're looking to cash in on the "environmental windfall lottery",
Just follow the money.
A million bucks each and they'll go away happy. It doesn't cost a million bucks a head to relocate people, unless you're relocating them to the ISS.
"The point being that if you define a max size for a field, you're bound to meet some data larger than you expected which needs to be truncated to fit."
If you're really worried about that, reserve the first 8 bytes for the data size. 2^64 bytes ought to be enough for anyone ;-)
This isn't new - pascal pStrings reserved one byte at the head for the actual string length . The pString is 256 chars long, with the "real" first byte being the actual length. This is also why you were limited to 255 characters - not because they were null-terminated, but because one byte was reserved for the width. Then when Borland implemented longer strings, they reserved the first bytes for the length.
This is actually a decent implementation for two reasons:
The right tool for the right job. Or do you use the same type of paper to wipe your ass that you use to write your TPS reports?
Some people like IDEs, some don't. I liked Borlands' old text-based IDEs (TC, BC++), and the earlier Delphi ones - the later ones are cruftyjunkified beyond belief; Eclipse, even stretched out across 2 monitors, has the same problem. But that's just me - someone else might find that same IDE to be great for them. Just like there might be occasions where you'd want to use a TPS report to wipe your arse, before handing it in ...
I generally buy at least one generation behind - more bang for the buck. Then, after a few years, I slap some upgrades on it (ram, hd, video) and get at least another couple of years out of it. I have yet to have a box that hasn't given service for at least half a decade, from the pre-pc boxes, to the 286-20, the 386-40, the p200 (skipped the 486, since the 386-40 ran faster than the 486-66), the duron 1`400+, and now the athlon 2600+ ...
The duron is almost a decade old, and with a 256 meg video card, 1600x1200 monitor, a gig of ram, and a new firewire card, it runs fine. The 2600+ got its video and ram upgrades last fall, and will run fine for at least another year or three ... (though I did remove the 3rd monitor).
Of course it helps that I'm not running Windows, or I'd have to toss both those boxes in the trash ...
What is this "correct use of xml" that you talk about?
Some possibilities?
<for>
<target_market>
Dummies
</target_market>
</for>
</xml>"
Maybe we should sprinkle the DTDs with some DDT.
For me, its command-line prompt in bash to compile from, syntax-highlighting editor (vim or kate) to code with, and the lamp stack to deploy on. Make, grep, some perl-fu, svn if you want to have a repository - it might not be "integrated", but it IS a great development environment, and VERY customizable.
The latest version of eclipse starts up fast enough if you have a couple of gigs of ram ... it just doesn't offer me what I want/need (yes, I know it can "sort of" handle c/c++, but I find it STILL gets in the way).