> That is why I am against the steel tariffs - if American steel is that good, prove it!
Umm, American steel is of good quality, it's the price that is the problem. Someone earlier pointed out that a real global economy only works well when most participating countries are on the same/similar socioeconomic standings. Other countries can pay their labor less and then sell the steel cheaper (including having it shipped to the U.S.). I do agree, however, that the tariffs are not the answer.
> You mean *gasp* that free software is not secure?!?!
No, *gasp*, it means you're a fucking tool. He didn't say he was using free software, nor that it was hacked. Who knows, maybe he left a default account on by mistake or had an easy password. Making up random shit does not make you smart, insightful, or interesting. It makes you a loser.
(Mods, don't mod me down, I know it's flamebait. Mod someone interesting up... they deserve it more)
Wow, can't get much more vague than that. So if one month they feel that downloding more than 20 Megs means you're a pirate, they can just cut you off. Great.
> It would be like my CC company [...] if I go back to the Bank Of America,
More like "you have unlimited credit, but if you use more than $5000 of that in consecutive months (even if you pay it all off each month) it will be cancelled."
> I think people have the impression that Iraq is all sand and camels, but if more people saw pictures like this, I think more people would be pissed off about invading Iraq
You underestimate the people of the U.S. and overestimate the value of pictures. We know perfectly well that most people in the world live in areas at least comparable to those inside the U.S. We know there are people there.
> less talking about using nukes to make glass deserts.
I have not heard a single person suggest (outside of jokes) using nukes in Iraq.
> explaining why places like France are more anti-war, as the people can more easily identify with the Iraqis, Afghans, etc., here than they can in the US.
Maybe because of the large French Muslim population? Of course they can relate better -- when you can drive a few hours and be surrounded by them, it is easier to do that. It has nothing to do with television (wrt understanding others -- actual war support relies heavily on TV propaganda, of course). The disconnect happens because most Americans have 0 opportunity to leave the country. Some can go to Canada or Mexico, but only the relatively wealthy can afford to visit Europe or Asia. Europeans take for granted that they are almost always within 300 miles of at least one other country.
Also, as a last note, no: there are few TV documentaries about everyday life in other countries. Why? Because most of us will never be anywhere near there. The Travel Channel may have such programs, but on most channels, it is a complete waste of time.
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You said: > Because Odigo is based in Israel, not New York.
From the mentioned article: > Two employees at New York-based instant messaging start-up Odigo received IM warnings
It could be that the people in question happened to be in Israel, but that was not stated in the article.
Without adding any substance -- IE, blind contradiction.
> what you've just done is to try to rebuke me with an accusation, rather than actually say I'm wrong. If I was actually wrong, you'd say so.
Okay, I didn't realize that. YOU ARE WRONG. Satisfied? I have said so, so now my opinion means something else, just because I had to spell it out for you?
> But you're not sure, so you accuse me of something
And you accuse me of being unsure because...? Accusations are flying everywhere and getting us nowhere. Wait, this is slashdot... No... Wait, this is life.
> No it says that you know how to make shitty analogies.
Or that you can't interpret analogies -- You seem to be the only one unable to grasp it.
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> i have seen plenty of my friends get screwed up on E, taking more each week, multiple times a week
I can say the same thing for Marijuana and Alcohol. In higher percentages. That, by itself, does not make something deadly.
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> the bulk of evidence amassed against Ecstasy was bogus.
Haha, that's funny. How can you confuse rats on meth and rats on Ecstasy? Obviously, if they were on MDMA, they'd be eating glow stix and sniffing Vapo-Rub. Geez, what's wrong with scientists these days???
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> LSD is pleasant in comparison.
What? Comparison or not, LSD is pleasant. Unless you don't know what you are doing & don't have a friend handy who does.
I don't believe, though, that Ecstasy is as safe as the poster insinuates. I wanted to reply, stating such, but I don't have any hard evidence. I started thinking about what stupid shit the Gov told people about Marijuana -- even worse is that some people still believe it.
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> I'm sure anyone looking remotely arab caught with a fake passport will be shot before any questions are asked
That is simply asinine. Of course they would be tortured first to give up the names of the terrorists in their family (sorry Dad!).
Normally when I say something offensive I feel I have to apologize to the Liberals because of their fucking bleeding hearts, but this time I have to apologize to Conservatives for mocking their pet country. But at least I'm not censoring myself for both groups of loonies.
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> (National Household Survey on Drug Abuse) > 12.2% of all white people use drugs, only 10% of blacks use drugs.
First off, any survey on a controversial subject has flaws (although not necessarily fatal flaws) to begin with. Especially if it is a "household" survey.
What a stupid survey. So, some random person shows up at your door and says "have you ever used drugs?" Who's going to answer honestly? Maybe black people are paranoid that if they say "yes" pigs will be knocking on their door ("pigs" is my word, not my interpretation of a black attitude) any minute.
Conversely, white people could get paranoid that if they say "yes" their employer will somehow find out & they'll be fired.
I'd mention Hispanics, but everyone knows they're all crack fiends (that's a joke; I shouldn't have to tell you, but I do).
Also consider this: In a "household survey," how many young people (who consume the most drugs, of course) are going to be asked? Very few of them have a "household" and their parents would probably have no clue as to their drug use.
Where was this survey taken? Was it in a supermarket? The Country Club? The Ghetto? I'm sure some combination of areas, but certainly not comprehensive.
I rarely believe statistics that try to make points about many different things at once.
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From your link: > the employees notified Odigo management, who turned the information over to Israeli law enforcement authorities.
Why the hell would people in New York turn any info over to Israeli officials?
I'm not arguing anything here, it just sounds stupid.
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> Because women go out to work, unemployment has risen and wages have fallen.
That is an interesting idea I had not thought of. With twice as many people working now, how can the same number of families support themselves?
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> yet when I point out that they are anti-semetic and anti-feminist
Because he said things that he thought would be heretical. You, OTOH, said simply that he is "anti-semetic AND a chauvenist pig," which is an attack. Thus, proving the point of the article. Well, I guess you should not have been modded troll then. It should have been flamebait.
> none of the things that 'Bob Robertson' said are heresies anymore - they're all neo-conservative dogma.
Which translates to "I don't think this is correct, so it is heretical." Not in those exact words, but I am far from neo-conservative and I agree with most of what he says. You are the one that put the label on him, you are the one saying he is wrong. You have NOT, however, given any reason why he is wrong -- nor has the other guy, he just made up two wild one-liners.
Insightful, my ass. This is a blatant troll taking specific ideas & twisting them to make a perfectly rational idea look like murder. YOU ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE ARTICLE WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!
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> That is why I am against the steel tariffs - if American steel is that good, prove it!
Umm, American steel is of good quality, it's the price that is the problem. Someone earlier pointed out that a real global economy only works well when most participating countries are on the same/similar socioeconomic standings. Other countries can pay their labor less and then sell the steel cheaper (including having it shipped to the U.S.). I do agree, however, that the tariffs are not the answer.
> You've never seen Indian code, have you?
> Or reviewed Indian resumes? That's always good for a laugh at a hiring meeting.
Or talked to them on phone tech support. I have spoken to a few that were truly very bright, but more often than not, I might as well ask a brick.
> if you get SYN-flooded or similar you have to pay for it. *bummer*
That doesn't seem right... It's your fault that the ISP lets dodgy traffic through?
> You mean *gasp* that free software is not secure?!?!
No, *gasp*, it means you're a fucking tool. He didn't say he was using free software, nor that it was hacked. Who knows, maybe he left a default account on by mistake or had an easy password. Making up random shit does not make you smart, insightful, or interesting. It makes you a loser.
(Mods, don't mod me down, I know it's flamebait. Mod someone interesting up... they deserve it more)
> Right out of the Optimum Online AUP
Wow, can't get much more vague than that. So if one month they feel that downloding more than 20 Megs means you're a pirate, they can just cut you off. Great.
> It would be like my CC company [...] if I go back to the Bank Of America,
More like "you have unlimited credit, but if you use more than $5000 of that in consecutive months (even if you pay it all off each month) it will be cancelled."
> No one has the right to decide what kind of image I view/edit
Nope. But Adobe has the right to limit their software in any way they want.
> I think people have the impression that Iraq is all sand and camels, but if more people saw pictures like this, I think more people would be pissed off about invading Iraq
You underestimate the people of the U.S. and overestimate the value of pictures. We know perfectly well that most people in the world live in areas at least comparable to those inside the U.S. We know there are people there.
> less talking about using nukes to make glass deserts.
I have not heard a single person suggest (outside of jokes) using nukes in Iraq.
> explaining why places like France are more anti-war, as the people can more easily identify with the Iraqis, Afghans, etc., here than they can in the US.
Maybe because of the large French Muslim population? Of course they can relate better -- when you can drive a few hours and be surrounded by them, it is easier to do that. It has nothing to do with television (wrt understanding others -- actual war support relies heavily on TV propaganda, of course). The disconnect happens because most Americans have 0 opportunity to leave the country. Some can go to Canada or Mexico, but only the relatively wealthy can afford to visit Europe or Asia. Europeans take for granted that they are almost always within 300 miles of at least one other country.
Also, as a last note, no: there are few TV documentaries about everyday life in other countries. Why? Because most of us will never be anywhere near there. The Travel Channel may have such programs, but on most channels, it is a complete waste of time.
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> Because Odigo is based in Israel, not New York.
From the mentioned article:
> Two employees at New York-based instant messaging start-up Odigo received IM warnings
It could be that the people in question happened to be in Israel, but that was not stated in the article.
> Microsoft didn't invest.
:)
Okay, I put that in because I didn't want to seem one-sided. Sorry
> My one and only point is that I think that we produce a better computer for the money.
/. and in posts I see pissed-off/bitter tones where they are not.
I am sorry. I've become hardened by
> All I did was take an opposing view
Without adding any substance -- IE, blind contradiction.
> what you've just done is to try to rebuke me with an accusation, rather than actually say I'm wrong. If I was actually wrong, you'd say so.
Okay, I didn't realize that. YOU ARE WRONG. Satisfied? I have said so, so now my opinion means something else, just because I had to spell it out for you?
> But you're not sure, so you accuse me of something
And you accuse me of being unsure because...? Accusations are flying everywhere and getting us nowhere. Wait, this is slashdot... No... Wait, this is life.
> No it says that you know how to make shitty analogies.
Or that you can't interpret analogies -- You seem to be the only one unable to grasp it.
> i have seen plenty of my friends get screwed up on E, taking more each week, multiple times a week
I can say the same thing for Marijuana and Alcohol. In higher percentages. That, by itself, does not make something deadly.
> the bulk of evidence amassed against Ecstasy was bogus.
Haha, that's funny. How can you confuse rats on meth and rats on Ecstasy? Obviously, if they were on MDMA, they'd be eating glow stix and sniffing Vapo-Rub. Geez, what's wrong with scientists these days???
> LSD is pleasant in comparison.
What? Comparison or not, LSD is pleasant. Unless you don't know what you are doing & don't have a friend handy who does.
I don't believe, though, that Ecstasy is as safe as the poster insinuates. I wanted to reply, stating such, but I don't have any hard evidence. I started thinking about what stupid shit the Gov told people about Marijuana -- even worse is that some people still believe it.
> I'm sure anyone looking remotely arab caught with a fake passport will be shot before any questions are asked
That is simply asinine. Of course they would be tortured first to give up the names of the terrorists in their family (sorry Dad!).
Normally when I say something offensive I feel I have to apologize to the Liberals because of their fucking bleeding hearts, but this time I have to apologize to Conservatives for mocking their pet country. But at least I'm not censoring myself for both groups of loonies.
> (National Household Survey on Drug Abuse)
> 12.2% of all white people use drugs, only 10% of blacks use drugs.
First off, any survey on a controversial subject has flaws (although not necessarily fatal flaws) to begin with. Especially if it is a "household" survey.
What a stupid survey. So, some random person shows up at your door and says "have you ever used drugs?" Who's going to answer honestly? Maybe black people are paranoid that if they say "yes" pigs will be knocking on their door ("pigs" is my word, not my interpretation of a black attitude) any minute.
Conversely, white people could get paranoid that if they say "yes" their employer will somehow find out & they'll be fired.
I'd mention Hispanics, but everyone knows they're all crack fiends (that's a joke; I shouldn't have to tell you, but I do).
Also consider this: In a "household survey," how many young people (who consume the most drugs, of course) are going to be asked? Very few of them have a "household" and their parents would probably have no clue as to their drug use.
Where was this survey taken? Was it in a supermarket? The Country Club? The Ghetto? I'm sure some combination of areas, but certainly not comprehensive.
I rarely believe statistics that try to make points about many different things at once.
From your link:
> the employees notified Odigo management, who turned the information over to Israeli law enforcement authorities.
Why the hell would people in New York turn any info over to Israeli officials?
I'm not arguing anything here, it just sounds stupid.
> Because women go out to work, unemployment has risen and wages have fallen.
That is an interesting idea I had not thought of. With twice as many people working now, how can the same number of families support themselves?
> yet when I point out that they are anti-semetic and anti-feminist
Because he said things that he thought would be heretical. You, OTOH, said simply that he is "anti-semetic AND a chauvenist pig," which is an attack. Thus, proving the point of the article. Well, I guess you should not have been modded troll then. It should have been flamebait.
> none of the things that 'Bob Robertson' said are heresies anymore - they're all neo-conservative dogma.
Which translates to "I don't think this is correct, so it is heretical." Not in those exact words, but I am far from neo-conservative and I agree with most of what he says. You are the one that put the label on him, you are the one saying he is wrong. You have NOT, however, given any reason why he is wrong -- nor has the other guy, he just made up two wild one-liners.
Insightful, my ass. This is a blatant troll taking specific ideas & twisting them to make a perfectly rational idea look like murder. YOU ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE ARTICLE WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!
> thrown in jail for that blatant copyright violation.
Only problem is, is that was not a copyright violation -- it's a quote.
> In 1983 Ohio saw fit to make it illegal to sell Stolichnaya vodka in the state
I don't think this is still the case, as I have seen it on store shelves in Ohio.