I can't think of any e-mails I'd want to send that I'd want to encrypt from the authorities in such a way. It boggles the mind that so many here at slashdot do send such e-mails, or are at least willing to hide trivial things.
The doomsday scenario that a business will give up its profits by promoting Open Source is a fallacy. Actually software companies WILL lose out unless they're sponsored by companies in other industries such as hardware or services. This is why Nokia can open up its software, because it sells hardware. If it only sold software to put onto phones then it would need to be sponsored, become a support company, or go bankrupt.
The article even alludes to Apple's embrace of Open Source (albeit BSD-based unhappy sharing Open Source) to develop OS X. BSD is loved by closed-source companies as it allows them to gain the benefits from their competitors work without providing anything in return to the competitor. Its most likely why Apple chose a BSD license over a GPL one.
to claim that OOo would be a competitor to any software in terms of user interface makes me think that the stars in your eyes obscure the incredibly poor GUI. Not that older versions of MS office didn't have poor organization, but at least it was the poor organization I was used to. I didn't say the interface was better, I simply said it was a competitor. I have seen OOo gain more widespread usage (less then Firefox, but definitely increasing) and it was reaching Office 2003 levels in terms of interface and with a significant price drop, it was only a matter of time before everyone migrated to it. However Office 2007 is quite possibly better then OOo now so it has to play catch-up (just as IE had to play catch-up with Firefox. And despite IE not being a competitor in terms of interface, it reaching Firefox levels means Firefox has to become even better) and will hopefully even exceed Microsoft Office before it too plays catch-up and becomes better again.
Novell's statement leads you to think that other distributions does not interoperate with Windows at all, which is patently false. If its libel or dishonest advertisement it should be treated as such. However I personally do NOT get that impression.
Nothing is infringing until a court says it is. Might want to unclip the rest of my sentence there.
In addition, what the GPLv2 says is that you cannot (re)distribute the covered package if it requires a patent license which cannot be sublicensed to any third party without royalties. Then why isn't Novell being attacked by Linux's other big sponsors as it appears they're infringing on the GPL.
those protected by the deal and those exposed to Microsoft's patent threats. Right, but the patent threats are meaningless in the long run if all they are is threats. Given Microsoft's current track record, it seems like the concern is a very light one at that.
The concern is that businesses will be coerced into using the Microsoft-approved Linux, freezing everyone else out. Businesses may be tricked in the short-term, but they should have their lawyers investigate matters more clearly before making legal decisions.
Not if they can ram their OOXML format through the standards process. Right, how well has that gone so far?
Moonlight is open source, AFAIK. Whether it infringes Microsoft patents is still to be determined (and possibly never will). Right, but JP quite clearly thinks Moonlight is the work of the devil. So I asked for the open source alternative to Moonlight. Moonlight isn't an alternative to itself.
Yet another fine example of how competition is good. Although personally I've moved away from the buggy implementation of Google Docs (the text editing is fairly clumsy) to OOo. I've lost access to the internet part however I rarely used it (simply stopped me from opening a second program and the load times were seeing this advantage dwindle). I might have been tempted to try out Microsoft's offering, but I'd rather not be tied to Windows right now (might change later next year when I give Office 2007 a whirl).
Keep on like that, and you'll have to change your handle to "quotes_out_of_context" I misunderstood (and still do) the quote as to me it sounds like she's still saying all sales are Microsoft sales. Although I'll bow to your claim that she only means Novell sales are Microsoft sales.
Wait company bosses actually listen to anonymous people on the internet? Shit what companies do you know that have these sort of bosses? I'd hate to accidentally work for one of them.
There are literally thousands of explosions an hour happening right in front of the driver every hour. Just imagine what could happen if one of them went wrong! That would be libel. Given that these companies also have BIG corporate sponsors who have a vested interest in seeing Microsoft fail, they could sue them and win. That is, of course, if your automobile analogy was accurate.
Pamela Jones? An IBM employee? PJ has stated, oh, I don't know, like a few dozen times that she most certainly does not work for IBM and never has. Oh well if its been written on the internet then it must be true!
Just kidding. I was going for +1 Funny with my first post rather then a +1 Serious.
Let me ask you developers who are kernel guys a question: When you contributed code to the kernel, was it your intent that it be used against Red Hat? How about the rest of you developers?
If they wanted to contribute code to a kernel that wouldn't hurt Red Hat, they should have released it under some license that would prohibit competition against Red Hat.
What Ms. Jones doesn't seem to realize is that competition between software companies is a good thing. It leads to more innovation and a better end-user experience (after all look at Microsoft Word. We had only one major office suite and we have the same interface for over 10 years with minimal changes between 98, 2000 and 2003. OOo comes along and despite its small marketshare it still provided the impetus for Office 2007 to actually make real changes to the interface. Same with IE).
all sales are Microsoft sales to some degree now.
Except they're not. Red Hat sales aren't Microsoft sales. Neither are Mac sales. Only Microsoft (which is the majority of sales) and Novell sales. People migrating to Novell due to Microsoft's teeming with them is actually a good thing. This will help get people use to the Linux environment and allow other competitors such as Red Hat to offer better deals then Microsoft which will allow even further migration away from Microsoft. Or it could cause Microsoft to eventually dump its closed-source code and pitch in entirely with open source code. Now these last two options are going to take a long time to come to fruition (with it being doubtful if Microsoft will ever dump its closed source OS), however Linux has been around for a long time and it is only slowly gaining marketshare. If the Microsoft/Novell deal does increase the adoption of SUSE in favor of Windows, then this should actually help people move away from Microsoft in the long run.
My opinion is that Novell offers MonopoLinux
This is the first Groklaw article I've read and if this hyperbole is typical of its offerings I'm amazed so many people listen to it. This is of the quality one would typically find in a slashdot rant. I thought groklaw was actually a well respected website.
Long-term, that is the death of Linux as we know it, if Microsoft were successful in getting everyone to sign such a deal.
That's a pretty big if. Somehow I find myself doubting that Microsoft's fud campaign will manage to do little more then stagnate the small tide of people moving away from Windows for a short time. Eventually if you cry wolf long enough without producing one, people stop listening. If Microsoft doesn't ever go to court but simply continues to keep the fud campaign going year after year, people will stop listening.
But taking other peoples' code and going against their wishes, as reflected in the license
Which part of the GPL v2 says that people should be able to use, modify and distribute their patent infringing code without any repercussions? As I said, the FUD campaign will only work in the short term if all Microsoft does is provide fud.
The Microsoft lawyer there says the company is "very active" in looking for ways to work with the Open Source community without violating GPLv3, arrangements "similar" to the Novell deal. In other words, that type of exact deal is blocked. They are trying to figure out how to get around v3 in some way that is similar but not blocked.
And good luck to them. Personally I hope they fail. But if they don't try, then sometime down the line someone else will. Its better the loopholes be found now so it can be revised early on before v3 gains too much widespread acceptance and we have the difficulty of migrating to v4 that we're seeing with v3.
Of course, the large customers don't understand the implications of this deal to the FOSS ecosystem, but Novell should.
What concerns are these? Given this is my first article from groklaw all I'm seeing is
Well its rather self-serving that an IBM employee would rip apart the Novell/Microsoft deal. Now if an uninterested and unbiased third party had something to say about the deal that would be insightful.
In that case, you might want to go with Spanish rather than French. Whatever, it was just a couple examples of languages other then English. Yeeesh. I'd be happy if the language that became dominant in the world was Swahili;)
No Solra is correct. I'd say I communicated my message poorly but it did get through to at least one person, so I'd say I didn't;)
Those that speak the language give it up for another one (and are typically young). Those that refuse to give it up (old), die and the language dies with them as the young don't know it or teach it anymore.
I don't get where I'm saying its because old people refuse to learn another language that it dies.
Neither. Its just that many after English many nations speak French as their main language and 1/6th of the world living in China, they seemed the likely choices along with English. Given I speak English and don't speak the other languages, I picked those as an example where my language would go extinct in favor of another.
Exactly. Even Wraith and Ancients from thousands of years ago speak English (except they're not suppose to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pegasus_Project_%28Stargate_SG-1%29]keep records in that language[/url]).
I guess it depends on which side of the extinction you are facing. If English was facing extinction in favor of Chinese or French I'd be happy with that.
At various times, it was illegal to speak Native languages, practice Native religions, or hold traditional dances or ceremonies, such as weddings. Those were "unnatural" (i.e. forced) attempts at extinction. This is natural (i.e. willingly happening on those that speak the language who give it up in favor of another language with those who refuse to give it up dying due to old age) and so much more palatable.
One is full of American websites, the other is full of foreign websites. Actually for Dafur I get: * International organization website with members from all around the world. * American websites
For meddling I get: * Quebecois website * American websites
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I can't think of any e-mails I'd want to send that I'd want to encrypt from the authorities in such a way. It boggles the mind that so many here at slashdot do send such e-mails, or are at least willing to hide trivial things.
Yes but less human being cred.
Sheeesh you think s/he could keep her lies straight ;)
Its my first Groklaw article I've read, but I've read many SCO ones here at slashdot claiming PJ is an IBM worker ;)
I see you have a complex about the Industrial industry ;)
I've got an ultimate steal right here for $0!
The only real advantage is easy uploading of files onto an internet server.
Yet another fine example of how competition is good. Although personally I've moved away from the buggy implementation of Google Docs (the text editing is fairly clumsy) to OOo. I've lost access to the internet part however I rarely used it (simply stopped me from opening a second program and the load times were seeing this advantage dwindle). I might have been tempted to try out Microsoft's offering, but I'd rather not be tied to Windows right now (might change later next year when I give Office 2007 a whirl).
Wait company bosses actually listen to anonymous people on the internet? Shit what companies do you know that have these sort of bosses? I'd hate to accidentally work for one of them.
Just kidding. I was going for +1 Funny with my first post rather then a +1 Serious.
Let me ask you developers who are kernel guys a question: When you contributed code to the kernel, was it your intent that it be used against Red Hat? How about the rest of you developers?
If they wanted to contribute code to a kernel that wouldn't hurt Red Hat, they should have released it under some license that would prohibit competition against Red Hat.
What Ms. Jones doesn't seem to realize is that competition between software companies is a good thing. It leads to more innovation and a better end-user experience (after all look at Microsoft Word. We had only one major office suite and we have the same interface for over 10 years with minimal changes between 98, 2000 and 2003. OOo comes along and despite its small marketshare it still provided the impetus for Office 2007 to actually make real changes to the interface. Same with IE).
all sales are Microsoft sales to some degree now.
Except they're not. Red Hat sales aren't Microsoft sales. Neither are Mac sales. Only Microsoft (which is the majority of sales) and Novell sales. People migrating to Novell due to Microsoft's teeming with them is actually a good thing. This will help get people use to the Linux environment and allow other competitors such as Red Hat to offer better deals then Microsoft which will allow even further migration away from Microsoft. Or it could cause Microsoft to eventually dump its closed-source code and pitch in entirely with open source code. Now these last two options are going to take a long time to come to fruition (with it being doubtful if Microsoft will ever dump its closed source OS), however Linux has been around for a long time and it is only slowly gaining marketshare. If the Microsoft/Novell deal does increase the adoption of SUSE in favor of Windows, then this should actually help people move away from Microsoft in the long run.
My opinion is that Novell offers MonopoLinux
This is the first Groklaw article I've read and if this hyperbole is typical of its offerings I'm amazed so many people listen to it. This is of the quality one would typically find in a slashdot rant. I thought groklaw was actually a well respected website.
Long-term, that is the death of Linux as we know it, if Microsoft were successful in getting everyone to sign such a deal.
That's a pretty big if. Somehow I find myself doubting that Microsoft's fud campaign will manage to do little more then stagnate the small tide of people moving away from Windows for a short time. Eventually if you cry wolf long enough without producing one, people stop listening. If Microsoft doesn't ever go to court but simply continues to keep the fud campaign going year after year, people will stop listening.
But taking other peoples' code and going against their wishes, as reflected in the license
Which part of the GPL v2 says that people should be able to use, modify and distribute their patent infringing code without any repercussions? As I said, the FUD campaign will only work in the short term if all Microsoft does is provide fud.
The Microsoft lawyer there says the company is "very active" in looking for ways to work with the Open Source community without violating GPLv3, arrangements "similar" to the Novell deal. In other words, that type of exact deal is blocked. They are trying to figure out how to get around v3 in some way that is similar but not blocked.
And good luck to them. Personally I hope they fail. But if they don't try, then sometime down the line someone else will. Its better the loopholes be found now so it can be revised early on before v3 gains too much widespread acceptance and we have the difficulty of migrating to v4 that we're seeing with v3.
Of course, the large customers don't understand the implications of this deal to the FOSS ecosystem, but Novell should.
What concerns are these? Given this is my first article from groklaw all I'm seeing is
Typo of Dell perhaps?
Well its rather self-serving that an IBM employee would rip apart the Novell/Microsoft deal. Now if an uninterested and unbiased third party had something to say about the deal that would be insightful.
No Solra is correct. I'd say I communicated my message poorly but it did get through to at least one person, so I'd say I didn't ;)
Those that speak the language give it up for another one (and are typically young). Those that refuse to give it up (old), die and the language dies with them as the young don't know it or teach it anymore.
I don't get where I'm saying its because old people refuse to learn another language that it dies.
Neither. Its just that many after English many nations speak French as their main language and 1/6th of the world living in China, they seemed the likely choices along with English. Given I speak English and don't speak the other languages, I picked those as an example where my language would go extinct in favor of another.
Exactly. Even Wraith and Ancients from thousands of years ago speak English (except they're not suppose to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pegasus_Project_%28Stargate_SG-1%29]keep records in that language[/url]).
I did google it. Although thankyou for insulting me anyway for a typo.
* International organization website with members from all around the world.
* American websites
For meddling I get:
* Quebecois website
* American websites
So no, you are in fact wrong.