I use it daily for most of my networking tasks. I use it running as a VM as a virtual router and IPSEC tunnel endpoint as it uses so few resources, so small and compact to install, and it's IPSEC configuration is so much easier than many others.
Swift's developers don't want to replace Brace Syntax with Python-style indentation.
No shit, they aren't retarded. Have you people not learned how stupid that is yet, how many retarded bugs do you have to have from the wrong spacing before you get it through your heads that it was a stupid fucking idea?
None. No, seriously, None. As a python programmer for 15 years, I've never had a bug caused by indentation changing the logic. Python code is usually succinct enough with small enough methods that things like that are immediately obvious. If you have more than a couple of levels on indentation in your code, you are doing it wrong.
This is the use case I have too. I've messed with touch screen displays and switches and the likes. But a cheap tablet would make a great display for some of my arduino projects.
So, I'd like to know if you can install android on it or compile an app to run on it that can do a simple full screen kiosk mode and have buttons and the likes.
Why use Linux when you could use OpenBSD? We've been running OpenBSD routers for quite some time now and their networking is far better, consistent and more robust than in Linux. Just having PF alone is reason enough to use OpenBSD.
OK, so I'm slightly biased in that I run a company that does predominantly Plone development, but one of our biggest clients uses Confluence to actually project manage the Plone project we are developing for them. So in effect we use both, for different sides of the same coin.
Confluence is quite powerful, and some of the tools for previewing MS Office documents in your browser are pretty good. However where Plone shines is its flexibility. We use Plone ourselves for our own intranet and the great thing is it goes well beyond just storing documents:
* It shows a list of all latest SVN commits from our repository * There is a shared calendar with SMS alerts, iCal integration, etc * It integrates with our time tracking software to produce time tracking reports for each project * There is a wiki on there for ad-hoc knowledge bits * There is a directory of all our contacts with click-to-dial integration with our desk phones * All our quotes are 'written' in Plone and converted to PDF to send to the client. It handles all the formatting via Apache FOP * There are image galleries for both social company photos, and also library of screenshots for quotes, etc. * Management dashboard with graphs of time spent in the past week on which projects
So whilst Confluence is pretty good, I think you'd be hard pressed to customise it quite to the extent where it really starts to deliver business value by integrating with your actual business processes and other software.
Plone's security is one of its major plus points compared to the myriad of PHP systems.
-Matt
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Glib as you might be, you are almost close....;)
Plone is named after the experimental electronica music band, Plone from Birmingham. Known for their simple, clean sound. And they had a track called 'Plock';)
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If you are a python developer, or at least have python2.6 installed on your system, then check out this lightning talk screencast I did for Europython last week:
I go from a base python2.6 installed to an installed and running Plone instance in under 3 minutes. Admittedly I had a local egg cache due to the flaky conference wifi, but if you did this without a cache it would do the same, just take a bit longer downloading all of the eggs.
Plone really is the easiest CMS I've ever worked with in terms of deployment and installation (mainly due to the fantastic zc.buildout system). There are also the binary installers for various platforms as well, which will get you up and running in about 15 minutes with just a few clicks.
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The Plone *core*, ie the main central bit, not including any of the add-ons, or 3rd party integrated parts like the visual editor, or the underlying framework Zope, has had over 10,000 commits to the SVN repo in the past 12 months alone. That is nearly 30 commits a day every day for a year. That is really quite an impressive level of activity for any Open Source project, especially in a fairly niche market (we are talking a large web content management system here, not an operating system).
The number of books being published on Plone recently shows just how many people are using it. And the 8th International Plone Conference (www.ploneconf2010.org) this year is expected to attract over 400 developers and users from across the world.
A couple of years ago I went to a seminar by HMRC (Revenue and Customs) on R&D Tax Credits here in the UK. I stood up and asked the speaker how Open Source is seen by HMRC in terms of R&D tax credits. I explained to them that the software we help develop (Plone) is used by numerous public sector organisations in the UK. One of the key criteria for R&D Tax Credits is that you need to own the IP of whatever it is you are developing. I explained to them that our entire business model was based upon us *not* owning the IP of the software we are helping to develop.
I was laughed at. Seriously. The speaker and a good portion of the audience laughed at my ridiculous idea of my business not owning the IP of the software I was developing.
The Plone Foundation recently valued Plone using COCOMO at US$3 million.
This is why smart people started looking at OODBs a decade ago. Things liek the ZODB have been around for over 10 years now, and newer OODBs like Couch DB are coming onto the block now as well. For general content publishing and file sharing, they make much more sense than an RDBMS.
I don't know why people still use RDBMs for non-relational data. Then wrangle with a ORM on top just for fun. Scrap it. Use an OODB.
I was involved with the deployment of Plone in a large UK bank (hint: now publicly owned). This was for about 35,000 commercial banking traders, so was definitely a large system, especially considering most of those users authenticated each day.
This was deployed on a cluster of about a dozen machines, including both Linux and Solaris servers, with a big EMC storage array (live sync with DR centre via SRDF). A complete replica of this at the DR site too.
The odd thing I noticed was whilst this particular division was quite progressive and willing to adopt an Open Source solution, the rest of the business was not so willing... yet very happy to develop software internally for use. If anyone here has worked in a large (non-software) corporation they will know that pretty much every piece of software that has been developed by someone in-house goes on to become a support headache over the years. Especially once the person who wrote it leaves the organisation. Just go read The Daily WTF... these things are real.
At the start of this project, the bank did not officially support Linux, so we had to develop all our own procedures and support infrastructure. By the end of the project, the bank was asking our team to help form the bank's global Linux support policy.
So one way of explaining OSS to bosses at these organisation is by telling them that it is like in-house developed software, but has he advantage that there is a whole community of people out there to help support it. In the case of Plone (and other well established OSS projects) there are commercial support companies out there that will give you paid-for support and SLAs. Not only that, but you have a choice of companies, rather than just one software vendor in a typical commercial software scenario.
As Paul Everitt (of Zope fame) once said many years ago: 'Software is not an asset, it is a liability'. Some very true words to try and get over to some organisations.
There are loads of lighter weight frameworks if you want to stick with python. Werkzeug, pylons, or just plain WSGI are a few. Then in the middle you have the likes of Grok and repoze.bfg that use a lot of the Zope 3 stack.
Google's App Engine uses python, and WSGI so you can wire up any WSGI app you want (within the terms of GAE's requirements). There are people working on getting Zope to run under GAE. The main issues at the moment are some of the C modules that need python equivalents.
How is this any different to a large company (think HP, Sun, IBM, etc) supporting Open Source and providing the client with the same kind of licensing and guarantees? Open Source of Closed Source has no real relevance on the level of support you get. Well in fact it does, with OSS you have the potential to choose your support provider.
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Yes, still very much around.
I use it daily for most of my networking tasks. I use it running as a VM as a virtual router and IPSEC tunnel endpoint as it uses so few resources, so small and compact to install, and it's IPSEC configuration is so much easier than many others.
e.g. https://www.quernus.co.uk/2015...
-Matt
...or just use something that was designed better in the first place, and ore secure by default... like Plone.
-Matt
Cubic inches?! So this isn't a project intended to be looking beyond the borders of one country?
-Matt
Swift's developers don't want to replace Brace Syntax with Python-style indentation.
No shit, they aren't retarded. Have you people not learned how stupid that is yet, how many retarded bugs do you have to have from the wrong spacing before you get it through your heads that it was a stupid fucking idea?
None. No, seriously, None. As a python programmer for 15 years, I've never had a bug caused by indentation changing the logic. Python code is usually succinct enough with small enough methods that things like that are immediately obvious. If you have more than a couple of levels on indentation in your code, you are doing it wrong.
-Matt
This is the use case I have too. I've messed with touch screen displays and switches and the likes. But a cheap tablet would make a great display for some of my arduino projects.
So, I'd like to know if you can install android on it or compile an app to run on it that can do a simple full screen kiosk mode and have buttons and the likes.
Has it changed in 9 years? Yes of course. Several major versions since then. There is a new content-type system, new theming system, and new UI.
Check out the recently released Plone 5 which has lots of great stuff in it.
https://plone.com/5
-Matt
Just switch to Plone and sleep easier at night. A little out of date figures, but in the time Joomla had 441 exploits, Plone had 9.
https://plone.org/products/plo...
-Matt
No.
e = mv^2.
-Matt
Why use Linux when you could use OpenBSD? We've been running OpenBSD routers for quite some time now and their networking is far better, consistent and more robust than in Linux. Just having PF alone is reason enough to use OpenBSD.
-Matt
And cia.gov and fbi.gov run on Plone... your point is?
OK, so I'm slightly biased in that I run a company that does predominantly Plone development, but one of our biggest clients uses Confluence to actually project manage the Plone project we are developing for them. So in effect we use both, for different sides of the same coin.
Confluence is quite powerful, and some of the tools for previewing MS Office documents in your browser are pretty good. However where Plone shines is its flexibility. We use Plone ourselves for our own intranet and the great thing is it goes well beyond just storing documents:
* It shows a list of all latest SVN commits from our repository
* There is a shared calendar with SMS alerts, iCal integration, etc
* It integrates with our time tracking software to produce time tracking reports for each project
* There is a wiki on there for ad-hoc knowledge bits
* There is a directory of all our contacts with click-to-dial integration with our desk phones
* All our quotes are 'written' in Plone and converted to PDF to send to the client. It handles all the formatting via Apache FOP
* There are image galleries for both social company photos, and also library of screenshots for quotes, etc.
* Management dashboard with graphs of time spent in the past week on which projects
So whilst Confluence is pretty good, I think you'd be hard pressed to customise it quite to the extent where it really starts to deliver business value by integrating with your actual business processes and other software.
And just by co-incidence, fsf.org actually runs Plone itself.
Just do a search in the source of http://www.cia.gov/ for the word 'Plone' you will see it. They've been using it for at least the past 6 years now.
Ditto http://www.fbi.gov/
Plone's security is one of its major plus points compared to the myriad of PHP systems.
-Matt
Glib as you might be, you are almost close.... ;)
Plone is named after the experimental electronica music band, Plone from Birmingham. Known for their simple, clean sound. And they had a track called 'Plock' ;)
-Matt
If you are a python developer, or at least have python2.6 installed on your system, then check out this lightning talk screencast I did for Europython last week:
Screencast of installing Plone 4
I go from a base python2.6 installed to an installed and running Plone instance in under 3 minutes. Admittedly I had a local egg cache due to the flaky conference wifi, but if you did this without a cache it would do the same, just take a bit longer downloading all of the eggs.
Plone really is the easiest CMS I've ever worked with in terms of deployment and installation (mainly due to the fantastic zc.buildout system). There are also the binary installers for various platforms as well, which will get you up and running in about 15 minutes with just a few clicks.
-Matt
The Plone *core*, ie the main central bit, not including any of the add-ons, or 3rd party integrated parts like the visual editor, or the underlying framework Zope, has had over 10,000 commits to the SVN repo in the past 12 months alone. That is nearly 30 commits a day every day for a year. That is really quite an impressive level of activity for any Open Source project, especially in a fairly niche market (we are talking a large web content management system here, not an operating system).
The number of books being published on Plone recently shows just how many people are using it. And the 8th International Plone Conference (www.ploneconf2010.org) this year is expected to attract over 400 developers and users from across the world.
-Matt
Why is it a pain? It is probably the easiest CMS I've ever setup. Just run the installer! Or if you are more developer oriented... run buildout.
-Matt
A couple of years ago I went to a seminar by HMRC (Revenue and Customs) on R&D Tax Credits here in the UK. I stood up and asked the speaker how Open Source is seen by HMRC in terms of R&D tax credits. I explained to them that the software we help develop (Plone) is used by numerous public sector organisations in the UK. One of the key criteria for R&D Tax Credits is that you need to own the IP of whatever it is you are developing. I explained to them that our entire business model was based upon us *not* owning the IP of the software we are helping to develop.
I was laughed at. Seriously. The speaker and a good portion of the audience laughed at my ridiculous idea of my business not owning the IP of the software I was developing.
The Plone Foundation recently valued Plone using COCOMO at US$3 million.
-Matt
Ah, but will Drupal 7 be able to catch up with Plone?
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
-Matt
Plone's security is much higher than Drupal's and most other PHP frameworks. For some stats and analysis see here:
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2009/04/plone-security.html
Whilst the analysis will be a bit biased as it is by someone who uses Plone, the stats there are all independent.
Alos both cia.gov and fbi.gov are Plone sites. Nuff said.
-Matt
This is why smart people started looking at OODBs a decade ago. Things liek the ZODB have been around for over 10 years now, and newer OODBs like Couch DB are coming onto the block now as well. For general content publishing and file sharing, they make much more sense than an RDBMS.
I don't know why people still use RDBMs for non-relational data. Then wrangle with a ORM on top just for fun. Scrap it. Use an OODB.
-Matt
I was involved with the deployment of Plone in a large UK bank (hint: now publicly owned). This was for about 35,000 commercial banking traders, so was definitely a large system, especially considering most of those users authenticated each day.
This was deployed on a cluster of about a dozen machines, including both Linux and Solaris servers, with a big EMC storage array (live sync with DR centre via SRDF). A complete replica of this at the DR site too.
The odd thing I noticed was whilst this particular division was quite progressive and willing to adopt an Open Source solution, the rest of the business was not so willing... yet very happy to develop software internally for use.
If anyone here has worked in a large (non-software) corporation they will know that pretty much every piece of software that has been developed by someone in-house goes on to become a support headache over the years. Especially once the person who wrote it leaves the organisation. Just go read The Daily WTF... these things are real.
At the start of this project, the bank did not officially support Linux, so we had to develop all our own procedures and support infrastructure. By the end of the project, the bank was asking our team to help form the bank's global Linux support policy.
So one way of explaining OSS to bosses at these organisation is by telling them that it is like in-house developed software, but has he advantage that there is a whole community of people out there to help support it. In the case of Plone (and other well established OSS projects) there are commercial support companies out there that will give you paid-for support and SLAs. Not only that, but you have a choice of companies, rather than just one software vendor in a typical commercial software scenario.
As Paul Everitt (of Zope fame) once said many years ago: 'Software is not an asset, it is a liability'. Some very true words to try and get over to some organisations.
-Matt
There are loads of lighter weight frameworks if you want to stick with python. Werkzeug, pylons, or just plain WSGI are a few. Then in the middle you have the likes of Grok and repoze.bfg that use a lot of the Zope 3 stack.
Google's App Engine uses python, and WSGI so you can wire up any WSGI app you want (within the terms of GAE's requirements). There are people working on getting Zope to run under GAE. The main issues at the moment are some of the C modules that need python equivalents.
-Matt
I just wrote a quick article on how Plone stacks up on the trivial tasks in the original article:
http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/3/3/open-source-and-usability:-plone
Short answer: Plone is just as easy to use as Wordpress, but with the power of a full CMS.
-Matt
How is this any different to a large company (think HP, Sun, IBM, etc) supporting Open Source and providing the client with the same kind of licensing and guarantees? Open Source of Closed Source has no real relevance on the level of support you get. Well in fact it does, with OSS you have the potential to choose your support provider.
-Matt