"Frankly, I think if one is competent enough to run a country, then one is more than capable of learning basic science, and should have done so in school for gods sake."
Frankly, I think if you're intelligent enough to know about science, you should be able to sculpt with a great deal of expertise.
What's that you say? Two totally unrelated skill sets? NO FUCKING WAY!
"Seriously, all I see modded up are "this'll NEVAH EVAH EVAH EVAH happen" from the typical slashtroll doomsayers, who've never seen a good idea in their lives,"
Well, that's what you did, and many others as well, ant they're modded up. So by "bad" you mean accurate?
"You see, intelligent people realize that to solve a problem, you start by understanding the cause of the problem"
Right with you so far.
"This, instead of your proposal of "not bitching" and, apparently, just pulling "solutions" out of our ass"
Ah, the old "attribute something to him that he never said" gambit. Totally expected, but no this soon. I guess you're new at this.
"You probably don't even realize the irony of your hypothetical question, considering you're doing exactly the thing you claim to be against."
Again, your reading comprehension fails you. I never claimed to be against ANYTHING, I only criticized the incessant complaining of the futility of EVERYTHING THAT IS EVER SUGGESTED and the positive mods said complaining gets.
Or are you unaware of the difference between crtiticism coupled wih action (as I suggest) and bitching (what you did)? It appears you are.
"Of course, even if you did realize it, you'd still be a troll, whether that was your intention or not."
And now the old "I can't refute you, so I'll call you a troll" bit. Admitting defeat early I guess. At least this "troll" doesn't have to resort to lying about what you said, like you did.
Perhaps if you'd learned to actually read what I wrote instead of using the same failed reasoning skills you've already displayed you'd realize why everything you said there is wrong.
I guess if you really think like you do, then any call to stop whining like a little baby and actually DO something would cause you great discomfort. Apparently, it has, and your response, instead of rising to the occasion, was to lie about my argument.
Because we want them to and it's their fucking job.
Seriously, all I see modded up are "this'll NEVAH EVAH EVAH EVAH happen" from the typical slashtroll doomsayers, who've never seen a good idea in their lives, and never posited a good outcome for any situation of any kind ever.
How about this, instead of asking "why would they participate" you should be asking "why is it so in vogue to bitch about how these things are never going to happen, and let these cowardly fucks off the hook".
"I don't see why a person who's never read the Constitution, and doesn't know the difference between the Bill of the Rights and the Ten Commandments, or has no understanding of the founding principles of the country, and what made it significantly different from the government we broke away from, should have an equal voice in running the nation."
Amazingly enough, if you knew as much about history as you pretend to, you'd know why.
Plus, it's in the Constitution.
How ironic, you denouncing those who don't educate themselves on the Constitution while revealing your ignorance in the very same post.
I think the problem with your statements in general is that he is portraying himself as an expert in one field and using said expertise in that field to, incorrectly, gain acceptance of his ideas in another field.
With that in mind, your statements simply don't matter.
You see "argument from authority" but that's because you're not bothering to see the real objection, and simply jumping on the oh so typical slashtard bandwagon.
I hope you see now why that long winded reply was wasted, it simply doesn't address my point at all.
"Conversely, your statement "that house costs 550k" has been thoroughly debunked"
HOW? You posted evidence related to a DIFFERENT house, there has been NO evidence about THAT house but mine, and I obviously didn't debunk myself. Are you stupid, or just afraid of being wrong that you lie like that?
You're just flailing because your pathetic "proof" got taken apart and you can't do anything about it.
If I tell you, the caveat is that you will avoid that ridiculous "argument from authority" crap. Mostly because it's not valid if you actually ARE an authority.
I have a BS in Psychology, and a Masters in Behavioral Psychology, with 4 years as intake coordinator at a residential treatment center (inpatient, for emergencies) and 6 years private practice as a behavior analyst. I would estimate I have treated upwards of 50 individuals in crisis, with another 50 or so in various stages of onset (this is just schizophrenics).
"Schizophrenics as I am led to believe are still thinking however there is disconnection with what they perceive or how they think and the world around them."
Not really close.
To use a geek analogy, Schizophrenics are on the holodeck, only they don't know it's the holodeck, and they don't get to choose the program.
So, an example would be, an individual sees all blondes as satan, genuinely believes they're satan, and reacts as though satan were genuinely in the room with them trying to eat their eyes (or something similar).
When a schizophrenic is in a full blown break, they are, for all intents and purposes, in their own reality, and the events that they see are REAL to them.
You would have a VERY hard time finding a credible practitioner who would categorize a schizophrenic who is having a break as being in any kind of control of their actions. I doubt that you could find any, frankly, but the state of psychology these days means I wouldn't be too surprised if you did.
"Originally from New York City, Schneier currently lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Schneier has a Master's degree in computer science from American University and a Bachelor of Science degree in physics from the University of Rochester. Before Counterpane, he worked at the United States Department of Defense and then AT&T Bell Labs."
I don't see anything about "behavioral psychology" or "evolutionary biology" in there.
So, sorry Bruce, but you're not qualified to make that statement with any authority, and frankly, your position as an expert on security should make you more wary of voicing lay opinions about subjects in which you have no expertise.
"Note that the house is the closest thing I could find in style and apparent size without actually tracking down what the actual house in the picture is. You'll also note that that price is far above what you claim, and even what I claimed."
Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANYTHING, you claimed THAT HOUSE could not be 550k. Support that statement or admit what you already know, YOU CAN'T.
For all you know he house pictured is behind a treatment plant or something which decreases it's value significantly. Hell houses as close as one block in my area differ by 150k. So save that link, it only proves you can't support your claim.
"Now sit down, boy."
As soon as you fuck off.
You're a troll who made a bullshit claim that you can't support, and now you're contorting yourself in order to avoid admitting it.
Save it, you've had plenty of tries, you're full of shit and it's plain for everyone to see. We're done.
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"The thing is, not everyone who gets arrested normally gets put on that list."
Source this please.
I see a few people discussing the actual standards, but like you, none of them has provided a decent source.
"I'm vastly more intelligent than the average US redneck."
But apparently far more racist.
"Frankly, I think if one is competent enough to run a country, then one is more than capable of learning basic science, and should have done so in school for gods sake."
Frankly, I think if you're intelligent enough to know about science, you should be able to sculpt with a great deal of expertise.
What's that you say? Two totally unrelated skill sets? NO FUCKING WAY!
I hope you see why you're trolling.
"Actually, that was a rather rude response to someone who had a differing opinion."
Um, yeah, I'm glad you got that. I was afraid it was too subtle, but you were on the ball...
With that in mind, I stopped reading your post because you're obviously an idiot.
Actually, you're probably an imbecile.
He's the President and you're some fucking guy posting on a web board.
He's vastly, colossally powerful and influential, in addition to being incredibly wealthy.
He's set for the rest of his life, to do with it as he pleases.
So, while I appreciate your totally partisan attack, I'll take his kind of smart over your "loser in his mom's basement" smart any day of the week.
"Seriously, all I see modded up are "this'll NEVAH EVAH EVAH EVAH happen" from the typical slashtroll doomsayers, who've never seen a good idea in their lives,"
Well, that's what you did, and many others as well, ant they're modded up. So by "bad" you mean accurate?
"You see, intelligent people realize that to solve a problem, you start by understanding the cause of the problem"
Right with you so far.
"This, instead of your proposal of "not bitching" and, apparently, just pulling "solutions" out of our ass"
Ah, the old "attribute something to him that he never said" gambit. Totally expected, but no this soon. I guess you're new at this.
"You probably don't even realize the irony of your hypothetical question, considering you're doing exactly the thing you claim to be against."
Again, your reading comprehension fails you. I never claimed to be against ANYTHING, I only criticized the incessant complaining of the futility of EVERYTHING THAT IS EVER SUGGESTED and the positive mods said complaining gets.
Or are you unaware of the difference between crtiticism coupled wih action (as I suggest) and bitching (what you did)? It appears you are.
"Of course, even if you did realize it, you'd still be a troll, whether that was your intention or not."
And now the old "I can't refute you, so I'll call you a troll" bit. Admitting defeat early I guess. At least this "troll" doesn't have to resort to lying about what you said, like you did.
Perhaps if you'd learned to actually read what I wrote instead of using the same failed reasoning skills you've already displayed you'd realize why everything you said there is wrong.
I guess if you really think like you do, then any call to stop whining like a little baby and actually DO something would cause you great discomfort. Apparently, it has, and your response, instead of rising to the occasion, was to lie about my argument.
Again, totally expected.
"Actually..."
Actually, you are wrong, so actually, you should shut the fuck up.
Thanks.
PS, Actually, I hate idiots like you who preface their OPINIONS with "actually" as though in giving their opinions they are correcting some fact.
Actually, I just hate idiots who think saying "actually" is an appropriate way to begin a conversation.
Like you.
"Congratulations on reading this entire thread before posting your response."
What part of my response led you to believe I hadn't?
"I don't know what "the" problem is"
Clearly, as indicated by your post.
"So why would they agree to participate?"
Because we want them to and it's their fucking job.
Seriously, all I see modded up are "this'll NEVAH EVAH EVAH EVAH happen" from the typical slashtroll doomsayers, who've never seen a good idea in their lives, and never posited a good outcome for any situation of any kind ever.
How about this, instead of asking "why would they participate" you should be asking "why is it so in vogue to bitch about how these things are never going to happen, and let these cowardly fucks off the hook".
Consider yourself part of the problem.
"See "electoral college" for further reading."
I did. It said "used to prevent larger states from exerting it's influence over smaller states".
Interestingly, nothing about the common populace as you claim.
"I don't see why a person who's never read the Constitution, and doesn't know the difference between the Bill of the Rights and the Ten Commandments, or has no understanding of the founding principles of the country, and what made it significantly different from the government we broke away from, should have an equal voice in running the nation."
Amazingly enough, if you knew as much about history as you pretend to, you'd know why.
Plus, it's in the Constitution.
How ironic, you denouncing those who don't educate themselves on the Constitution while revealing your ignorance in the very same post.
I think the problem with your statements in general is that he is portraying himself as an expert in one field and using said expertise in that field to, incorrectly, gain acceptance of his ideas in another field.
With that in mind, your statements simply don't matter.
You see "argument from authority" but that's because you're not bothering to see the real objection, and simply jumping on the oh so typical slashtard bandwagon.
I hope you see now why that long winded reply was wasted, it simply doesn't address my point at all.
"Well, if you could do something 40 or 50 years ago, and you can't do it now, that, by definition is slipping."
Um, no. And frankly, that's pretty ridiculous.
With that in mind I stopped reading, and I'm sure it was a good decision.
"Hm, my troll detector just went off."
Stop pointing it at yourself?
"That's exactly how a (fallacious) argument from authority is usually constructed."
No it isn't.
In this case his argument is an OPINION, which is directly reliant on his expertise.
If there were an absolute truth here, you would be correct. You are not, because there isn't.
Since when is repeatedly proving you wrong "hanging" myself?
And is that what your final gambit is these days, lose a debate then pretend that you're letting someone "hang" themselves.
Look up "authority" then look up "expertise" then realize you're wrong and slink away defeated.
Again.
"You do realize that, outside of biology, evolution is usually used metaphorically, right?"
YOU do realize that in this case, WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT BIOLOGY, RIGHT?
I see why you posted AC.
Noting you posted there debunks anything.
First, disprove it.
Second, it only proves IT COULD BE 550k. So you're wrong again.
Third- DISPROVE IT.
You're still flailing, and more pathetically by the minute.
Are you? In some places it's illegal to claim you are if you aren't. Be advised.
"I'm pretty sure your bio won't include any qualifications to pass judgment on him, either."
I AM A FULLY QUALIFIED BEHAVIOR ANALYST.
So you'd be wrong troll, how much does it hurt?
"Conversely, your statement "that house costs 550k" has been thoroughly debunked"
HOW? You posted evidence related to a DIFFERENT house, there has been NO evidence about THAT house but mine, and I obviously didn't debunk myself. Are you stupid, or just afraid of being wrong that you lie like that?
You're just flailing because your pathetic "proof" got taken apart and you can't do anything about it.
I'm judging his statements based on his expertise. He has none. That's not "authority" by any measure.
His "authority" never entered the equation.
So you're wrong, and you're trolling me because I proved you wrong previously.
"What qualifies your as more valid opinion?"
If I tell you, the caveat is that you will avoid that ridiculous "argument from authority" crap. Mostly because it's not valid if you actually ARE an authority.
I have a BS in Psychology, and a Masters in Behavioral Psychology, with 4 years as intake coordinator at a residential treatment center (inpatient, for emergencies) and 6 years private practice as a behavior analyst. I would estimate I have treated upwards of 50 individuals in crisis, with another 50 or so in various stages of onset (this is just schizophrenics).
"Schizophrenics as I am led to believe are still thinking however there is disconnection with what they perceive or how they think and the world around them."
Not really close.
To use a geek analogy, Schizophrenics are on the holodeck, only they don't know it's the holodeck, and they don't get to choose the program.
So, an example would be, an individual sees all blondes as satan, genuinely believes they're satan, and reacts as though satan were genuinely in the room with them trying to eat their eyes (or something similar).
When a schizophrenic is in a full blown break, they are, for all intents and purposes, in their own reality, and the events that they see are REAL to them.
You would have a VERY hard time finding a credible practitioner who would categorize a schizophrenic who is having a break as being in any kind of control of their actions. I doubt that you could find any, frankly, but the state of psychology these days means I wouldn't be too surprised if you did.
"Originally from New York City, Schneier currently lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Schneier has a Master's degree in computer science from American University and a Bachelor of Science degree in physics from the University of Rochester. Before Counterpane, he worked at the United States Department of Defense and then AT&T Bell Labs."
I don't see anything about "behavioral psychology" or "evolutionary biology" in there.
So, sorry Bruce, but you're not qualified to make that statement with any authority, and frankly, your position as an expert on security should make you more wary of voicing lay opinions about subjects in which you have no expertise.
"Note that the house is the closest thing I could find in style and apparent size without actually tracking down what the actual house in the picture is. You'll also note that that price is far above what you claim, and even what I claimed."
Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANYTHING, you claimed THAT HOUSE could not be 550k. Support that statement or admit what you already know, YOU CAN'T.
For all you know he house pictured is behind a treatment plant or something which decreases it's value significantly. Hell houses as close as one block in my area differ by 150k. So save that link, it only proves you can't support your claim.
"Now sit down, boy."
As soon as you fuck off.
You're a troll who made a bullshit claim that you can't support, and now you're contorting yourself in order to avoid admitting it.
Save it, you've had plenty of tries, you're full of shit and it's plain for everyone to see. We're done.