The artists that I know (I'm trained as one myself), are, generally speaking, the least, of all kinds of people that I know, positively inclined towards the idea of copylefting. Which,to me, seems a bit strange; it seems to me that any graphic designer should jump to occasion of having to rebuild the coca cola-logo and -image again every so many years, but hell no; instead they are afraid of the possiblity of anybody running off with their work. They provide no service, run no help-desk. Their work is like walking for ages up a gradual slope, only to drop it into the ravine on the other side. It begins hidden, secretively, closed-off from the outside world, until whatever presentation comes along. The work gets sold; the artist never sees it again. Then the nagging begins. What if I sold it too cheap ? What if I sold it to a reseller ? What if someone else runs off with the idea now ? Fear. No way to exercise control. No versions 1.1. No shrink-wrap licenses. No license-revoking. No court-cases (because no money). It won't be easy to sell these people copyleft; they live because they think that what they make is unique, and it's pure form as well; no function; there is no such thing as can't do without. We know how musicians, high and low, react to mp3; well, that basically sums it up.
for the carpal tunnel syndrome, man ! Twelve terminal-emulations and cut and paste without ever using a mouse ! Is that better than feeling for your mouse, then looking for your window and then positioning your cursor in that window or what ?! I have to (cross-)compile an application I'm typing with vi on a linuxbox, on a windozebox every now and then (using lcc), but I'm only too carefull not to let anything linger there or make any changes, since I closed ie5 once on it and the thing just rebooted without warning; that's NT for you; the multitasking operating system on which the multitasking stops when you kick off 'edit' in a 'cmd' box. Give me stability, give me vi and let me get on with my work now !
I say that if you wanna make a living out of exploiting a http-site, then live with the pecularities of the medium and the protocol, instead of fencing off your territory with lawsuits. If you want it differently (that is; more respectful of your turf), then write your own. It's so frustrating to see all these people running away with technology they never spent an hour's worth creating, claiming it all theirs. Maybe the ietf, or the people from netscape, or tim berners-lee should get together and form a body to sue all those people for pretensiously abusing what they so generously donated to the public.
Good. I think the lesser we talk about stock, the more we can talk about tech. It's getting to be a bit endemic now, where even the nerds I work with insist on talking about stock (instead of tech) over lunch. Leave stock where it belongs (ie. on the market, not in your portfolio) and do yer tech thing and don't think you can strike it rich overnight while you're sleeping; be inventive and do the things that are worth doing please.
The point is; you don't want to lose your code when your machine accidentally reboots because you close internet explorer. Seriously; I develop under Linux but had to do some porting sometime ago and decided to use VC++ for it and lost my changes twice because the platform just/crashes/ man !
I swapped a network-card in my RH6.1 box the other day; the one was ISA, the other PCI; kudzu made me answer three questions on the command-line on start up (all I had to do was hit enter) and it was up and running again. Yes, recognizing hardware and configuring it automatically is a very nice feature indeed (even though on Linux it's usually a question of editing a few/etc files) but face it- it's not that hard either; unless, of course, you hide everything that there's to know about that - like MS does.
There are several types of companies active in the inet-branch. There are those that 'get it'; what should be free and what should be charged for, what is possible and what should not be tried. Then there are those that are huge and that _don't_ get it at all; they are always running after the facts, propose ridiculous solutions to non-existant problems, producing hypes that they kill off themselves. And then there are those that are lurking in the corner, getting big and bigger, that provide services that should be free and simple and controlable. In the absence of a world government, they take on the administrative tasks. They should be prohibited to grow, to make a profit, but they're not; they're just a company so they'll do anything, including cooperating with whatever agency of police. They are the big brothers of the future; always silently present, 'cos they own yer ass.
Well think of a little database of md5sums of all your files and some interface directly under open() (#ifdef WIN32\n#define open() _open()\n#endif) and close() (#ifdef WIN32\n#define close() _close()\n#endif) that examines the file in question on opening and closing. Not exactly a performance improvement, but it could be if you scheduled it. No. It's a really sick joke, knowing you can just make a filesystem api based on inodes. But then again, this is just another typical case of NIIR (Not Invented In Redmont), isn't it ?
I think everybody is failing to see the point here. (he said nodding his head omnisciently); The truth of the matter is that because of traditionally strong socialist-democratic political currents over here, telco's (and other large government companies) were made private only in the 1980's - now they are still struggling to pay their own bills and they are still very close to the minds of the governing people (they get 'rescued' when they're in trouble). Inet-related companies were never started up by the government or made public; they simply came in too late. Because of this situation there's usually only one telco per european country calling the shots (and next to that several very small ones that have to dance to the tune) while the product 'inet' keeps on inflating. Someone has to pay the bill, 'cos the customer wants it cheaper all the time. 'Not me', says the big telco; 'allright then, let it be me', says the ISP-startup; I'll give you all you want but you have to promise to look at all my banners!'. This will really only stop when local politicians make the big telco pay for their monopoly (or break them up ? - hey that's a good one!)
It seems to me that the safest thing a user can do is stay at home, unplug everything, turn off electricity and gas (we need water, you know, we're only human), dress yourself up in whatever piece of clothing you can find and wait for summer. But seriously; HTTP is safe, and people who make CGI that doesn't check out what people POST (or GET, for that matter) are insane and a risk to their own machines and their own liability.
What if Kevin moved to Europe ? Is he allowed to leave the US at all and if so, what if he took up a job accross the atlantic, would the arms of the upholders of US law stretch that far ? I seriously can't imagine that to be the case. They're _craving_ for good people over here in Europe, and should one get lonely, there's always the 'net. These parole computer restriction orders seem like an exercise in futility for inhabitants of the global village that is the 'net.
So what you do is; you split your company in two and start harvesting from the best of what the two sides have to offer you - I think this needs more work, although I do agree with completely with the notion that having a monopoly over an idea is ludicrous; there are other ways to make money if one has a good idea.
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The artists that I know (I'm trained as one myself), are, generally speaking, the least, of all kinds of people that I know, positively inclined towards the idea of copylefting. Which,to me, seems a bit strange; it seems to me that any graphic designer should jump to occasion of having to rebuild the coca cola-logo and -image again every so many years, but hell no; instead they are afraid of the possiblity of anybody running off with their work. They provide no service, run no help-desk. Their work is like walking for ages up a gradual slope, only to drop it into the ravine on the other side. It begins hidden, secretively, closed-off from the outside world, until whatever presentation comes along. The work gets sold; the artist never sees it again. Then the nagging begins. What if I sold it too cheap ? What if I sold it to a reseller ? What if someone else runs off with the idea now ? Fear. No way to exercise control. No versions 1.1. No shrink-wrap licenses. No license-revoking. No court-cases (because no money). It won't be easy to sell these people copyleft; they live because they think that what they make is unique, and it's pure form as well; no function; there is no such thing as can't do without. We know how musicians, high and low, react to mp3; well, that basically sums it up.
for the carpal tunnel syndrome, man ! Twelve terminal-emulations and cut and paste without ever using a mouse ! Is that better than feeling for your mouse, then looking for your window and then positioning your cursor in that window or what ?! I have to (cross-)compile an application I'm typing with vi on a linuxbox, on a windozebox every now and then (using lcc), but I'm only too carefull not to let anything linger there or make any changes, since I closed ie5 once on it and the thing just rebooted without warning; that's NT for you; the multitasking operating system on which the multitasking stops when you kick off 'edit' in a 'cmd' box. Give me stability, give me vi and let me get on with my work now !
Eric Raymond: (a) GUN Unix's Not !
I say that if you wanna make a living out of exploiting a http-site, then live with the pecularities of the medium and the protocol, instead of fencing off your territory with lawsuits. If you want it differently (that is; more respectful of your turf), then write your own. It's so frustrating to see all these people running away with technology they never spent an hour's worth creating, claiming it all theirs. Maybe the ietf, or the people from netscape, or tim berners-lee should get together and form a body to sue all those people for pretensiously abusing what they so generously donated to the public.
Good. I think the lesser we talk about stock, the more we can talk about tech. It's getting to be a bit endemic now, where even the nerds I work with insist on talking about stock (instead of tech) over lunch. Leave stock where it belongs (ie. on the market, not in your portfolio) and do yer tech thing and don't think you can strike it rich overnight while you're sleeping; be inventive and do the things that are worth doing please.
The point is; you don't want to lose your code when your machine accidentally reboots because you close internet explorer. Seriously; I develop under Linux but had to do some porting sometime ago and decided to use VC++ for it and lost my changes twice because the platform just /crashes/ man !
But you can easily DoS the system completely by simply having everybody turn in everybody else; this way we can also make a nice buck together.
I swapped a network-card in my RH6.1 box the other day; the one was ISA, the other PCI; kudzu made me answer three questions on the command-line on start up (all I had to do was hit enter) and it was up and running again. Yes, recognizing hardware and configuring it automatically is a very nice feature indeed (even though on Linux it's usually a question of editing a few /etc files) but face it- it's not that hard either; unless, of course, you hide everything that there's to know about that - like MS does.
Bill Joy is the author of (Solaris/system V) UNIX vi, the author of Linux vim is Bram Molenaar. Quite from the ground up, as well.
This is actually an enlarged shockwave effect; through wood, that would be travelling at about 400 metres/second.
There are several types of companies active in the inet-branch.
There are those that 'get it'; what should be free and what should be charged for, what is possible and what should not be tried.
Then there are those that are huge and that _don't_ get it at all; they are always running after the facts, propose ridiculous solutions to non-existant problems, producing hypes that they kill off themselves.
And then there are those that are lurking in the corner, getting big and bigger, that provide services that should be free and simple and controlable. In the absence of a world government, they take on the administrative tasks. They should be prohibited to grow, to make a profit, but they're not; they're just a company so they'll do anything, including cooperating with whatever agency of police. They are the big brothers of the future; always silently present, 'cos they own yer ass.
Let me spell it out:- (space)-T-H-I-S-(bang)
Y-O-U-(space)-D-O-N-(apostroph)-T-(space)-W-A-N-T
Well think of a little database of md5sums of all your files and some interface directly under
open() (#ifdef WIN32\n#define open() _open()\n#endif) and
close() (#ifdef WIN32\n#define close() _close()\n#endif)
that examines the file in question on opening and closing. Not exactly a performance improvement, but it could be if you scheduled it.
No. It's a really sick joke, knowing you can just make a filesystem api based on inodes. But then again, this is just another typical case of NIIR (Not Invented In Redmont), isn't it ?
I think everybody is failing to see the point here. (he said nodding his head omnisciently);
The truth of the matter is that because of traditionally strong socialist-democratic political currents over here, telco's (and other large government companies) were made private only in the 1980's - now they are still struggling to pay their own bills and they are still very close to the minds of the governing people (they get 'rescued' when they're in trouble).
Inet-related companies were never started up by the government or made public; they simply came in too late. Because of this situation there's usually only one telco per european country calling the shots (and next to that several very small ones that have to dance to the tune) while the product 'inet' keeps on inflating. Someone has to pay the bill, 'cos the customer wants it cheaper all the time. 'Not me', says the big telco; 'allright then, let it be me', says the ISP-startup; I'll give you all you want but you have to promise to look at all my banners!'.
This will really only stop when local politicians make the big telco pay for their monopoly (or break them up ? - hey that's a good one!)
I don't mean to be nttygrtty here, but virii is the latin plural of vir, which means adult man; the latin plural of virus would be viri.
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Is it me and do I not get it, or is this ultimate freedom of speech, or is this the next thing akin to spam ?
That was meant as a reply to post #11, sorry Jon..
Sicko.
I mean with your bein' mergin' 'n all... (I hope it won't hurt anywhere, physically, I mean) But unfortly, your video streaming sucks.
It seems to me that the safest thing a user can do is stay at home, unplug everything, turn off electricity and gas (we need water, you know, we're only human), dress yourself up in whatever piece of clothing you can find and wait for summer. But seriously; HTTP is safe, and people who make CGI that doesn't check out what people POST (or GET, for that matter) are insane and a risk to their own machines and their own liability.
What if Kevin moved to Europe ?
Is he allowed to leave the US at all and if so, what if he took up a job accross the atlantic, would the arms of the upholders of US law stretch that far ? I seriously can't imagine that to be the case. They're _craving_ for good people over here in Europe, and should one get lonely, there's always the 'net. These parole computer restriction orders seem like an exercise in futility for inhabitants of the global village that is the 'net.
So what you do is; you split your company in two and start harvesting from the best of what the two sides have to offer you - I think this needs more work, although I do agree with completely with the notion that having a monopoly over an idea is ludicrous; there are other ways to make money if one has a good idea.