... and if you have a cable decoder you usually cannot shop channels from other companies than that company. This is a consumer device, not a general purpose computer. It is a known feature/defect (depenfding on preference) that should affect your CHOICE - because yes you DO have CHOICE - of tablet device. If you do not want this limitation choose another product. A Fiat 500 will not be a BMW X3 either.
This is what people need to learn: The advantage of a single source of software TO A NON-TECHIE is higher than the assumed advantage for the techie minority to hunt around for app sources.
It's not criticism when it is framed as demands that the manufacturer change their product to suit the critic's expectations, because they are incapable of actually picking another product as if they are not there - which they are.
Movie reviews? The hate directed at iPad is akin to a movie critic slamming Star Trek because it is not a 19th century drama.
Tethering you get "un-jailbroken" if your phone company allows it (mine does). If you use tethering in violation of the contract you signed with the phone company, that is your gamble.
Multitasking has so far been restricted to Apple's own apps (i.e. playing iPod.app music in the background, the whole "push notification" framework etc.) because they know that inexperienced developers live in their little bubbles and do not consider that the device's 512 MiB RAM is a limited resource. Apple would get the blame if a user experienced slowdowns because some app was using memory in the background.
You also don't "lose" your apps if you root
You mean you keep the custom apps from the phone company's distribution if you use a different one?
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"Unfortunately, the price and release date of the Neofonie WePad 11.6-inch tablet PC are still unknown at this time. "
I think that people buy an Apple device and jailbreak it instead of buying an already open device and OS is because of the apps. Since the closed nature of the App Store means developers can make money, they develop for it, whereas the "open" platforms get jack sh*t because the only people developing for it are geeks and nerds who are not interested in pesky "customers".
Do you add the cost of the stove to the price of a home-cooked meal? The rest of your argument is also very far-fetched. Face it, the world is moving to digital distribution, and if someone "nukes" the centers of digital distribution then yes, it would be very hard to install anything not already downloaded. Just like you should not buy a car since it would be useless if someone nuked all the gas stations...
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That or running C64 emulators and the like that aren't locked to run a single game.
Where was that? The C64 app for the iPhone has a decent selection of games, some free some paid for. Or did you want one where you could upload any unlicensed copy you found on some "abandonware" site out there instead of the licensed games?
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You must remember that the OSS crowd is a bunch of communists who hate the market and want a big State to come in and tell companies to provide freedoms. That other products already exist that let them do what they want is irrelevant as long as there are products that don't.
Or so I read at some rant site somewhere so it must be true.
That's two companies, out of how many? 100? 1000? If you want an open platform for such devices, and you think there is a viable market, then put your money where your mouth is. I have seen shed-loads of people attacking Apple here, and demanding Mommy State or whatever should step in and change their business model. But no one actually bothers to present or promote a competing product that fills this apparent need for "freedom".
Also: The "fee" for selling through the app store is not "shafting the users" but paying for a service (the store), and there are markets where the creator is left with FAR less than 70% of the sale price. Are you surprised that using a service costs money? Do you feel the people operating the service should work pro bono and live off food stamps?
Sometimes I think some people on Slashdot simply have never actually worked in any business, or even left their parents' basement. Hint: Just because your parents give you free food and board does not mean the same goes for normal people.
If it is not a good idea people will not buy it. However, you will find that the number of customers who do find it a bad idea is miniscule, which is why the competing, open platforms are struggling to find a foot-hold. They are more open, they are cheaper, how can they fail?
Because of the App Store. Joe Public want something that works, not something that is so cool because look you can run a CLI shell on it.
You own your hardware, but it is useless without the software. Ford Sync is a "locked-down-" Windows box, if you get a Ford and wrestle Linux on the Sync, don't go complaining to Ford when it no longer works as advertised. But people did yell at Apple when their jailbroken iPhones got infected by the worm that exploited a default SSH password.
IBM has not defined what a PC is for decades now; they even abandoned it for a while back in the PS/2 days, with the whole MCA and OS/2 debacle. Not to mention they sold their PC division to Lenovo.
"IBM compatible" these days is something running System z.
"Paying" 30% for the services the App Store provides is cheap compared to running your own store. You see, getting 70% of sales in the thousands is better than getting 100% of no sales at all. Heck it beats the margin of practically any traditional sales channel for software.
Also, if it is bad, why are Microsoft carbon-copying the idea for their Windows Mobile 7?
Anyway, all the points you raise are well known and developers STILL prefer the platform and App Store over the platforms with more freedoms, and they do exist (apparently). However, it seems there is an unhealthy amount of jealousy in the camps associated with said platforms since they seem more busy trying to make Apple change their policies than to, you know, actually promote the competing platforms.
But because of that marketing, they actually SELL. Perhaps that is a concept that proponents of competing platforms should look into? Selling their devices? Arguing how open Android is (*) or whatever Nokia's latest attempt is called nowadays?
*) provided you root your phone to install a version not crippled by the phone company, losing quite a few preloaded apps in the process, and then try and get someone to write apps for it when there is hardly any money to be made.
Aspects of which was merged into C to create Objective-C. Which Apple uses extensively these days instead of the Object Pascal of old.
(It still frustrates me that ParcPlace and DigiTalk killed their baby by not only making incompatible systems but also charging an arm and a leg for the privilege. Thus opening the avenue for the more complex but free C-family languages, like C++ and Java, to rule instead, leaving Smalltalk to live on, huddled in the corner as Squeak.)
Then buy an Android tablet. Oh wait you cannot since none of the promised/announced products are in stores yet, if ever. The iPad, being an actual, physical product sold in stores, wins by default over 3D renderings and bullet-point spec lists.
People complain that you cannot install what you want on the Apple devices, but for those of us who find anything we want to install on the app store, we can. Jailbreaking the iPhone to install what you want in general seems to just be to pirate apps anyway...
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Feel free to write one. After all it is a third party application not an Apple one.
... and if you have a cable decoder you usually cannot shop channels from other companies than that company. This is a consumer device, not a general purpose computer. It is a known feature/defect (depenfding on preference) that should affect your CHOICE - because yes you DO have CHOICE - of tablet device. If you do not want this limitation choose another product. A Fiat 500 will not be a BMW X3 either.
This is what people need to learn: The advantage of a single source of software TO A NON-TECHIE is higher than the assumed advantage for the techie minority to hunt around for app sources.
It's not criticism when it is framed as demands that the manufacturer change their product to suit the critic's expectations, because they are incapable of actually picking another product as if they are not there - which they are.
Movie reviews? The hate directed at iPad is akin to a movie critic slamming Star Trek because it is not a 19th century drama.
Tethering and multitasking for instance
Tethering you get "un-jailbroken" if your phone company allows it (mine does). If you use tethering in violation of the contract you signed with the phone company, that is your gamble.
Multitasking has so far been restricted to Apple's own apps (i.e. playing iPod.app music in the background, the whole "push notification" framework etc.) because they know that inexperienced developers live in their little bubbles and do not consider that the device's 512 MiB RAM is a limited resource. Apple would get the blame if a user experienced slowdowns because some app was using memory in the background.
You also don't "lose" your apps if you root
You mean you keep the custom apps from the phone company's distribution if you use a different one?
"Unfortunately, the price and release date of the Neofonie WePad 11.6-inch tablet PC are still unknown at this time. "
The Touchbook seems to be released, though.
I think that people buy an Apple device and jailbreak it instead of buying an already open device and OS is because of the apps. Since the closed nature of the App Store means developers can make money, they develop for it, whereas the "open" platforms get jack sh*t because the only people developing for it are geeks and nerds who are not interested in pesky "customers".
Do you add the cost of the stove to the price of a home-cooked meal? The rest of your argument is also very far-fetched. Face it, the world is moving to digital distribution, and if someone "nukes" the centers of digital distribution then yes, it would be very hard to install anything not already downloaded. Just like you should not buy a car since it would be useless if someone nuked all the gas stations...
That or running C64 emulators and the like that aren't locked to run a single game.
Where was that? The C64 app for the iPhone has a decent selection of games, some free some paid for. Or did you want one where you could upload any unlicensed copy you found on some "abandonware" site out there instead of the licensed games?
You must remember that the OSS crowd is a bunch of communists who hate the market and want a big State to come in and tell companies to provide freedoms. That other products already exist that let them do what they want is irrelevant as long as there are products that don't.
Or so I read at some rant site somewhere so it must be true.
That's two companies, out of how many? 100? 1000? If you want an open platform for such devices, and you think there is a viable market, then put your money where your mouth is. I have seen shed-loads of people attacking Apple here, and demanding Mommy State or whatever should step in and change their business model. But no one actually bothers to present or promote a competing product that fills this apparent need for "freedom".
Also: The "fee" for selling through the app store is not "shafting the users" but paying for a service (the store), and there are markets where the creator is left with FAR less than 70% of the sale price. Are you surprised that using a service costs money? Do you feel the people operating the service should work pro bono and live off food stamps?
Sometimes I think some people on Slashdot simply have never actually worked in any business, or even left their parents' basement. Hint: Just because your parents give you free food and board does not mean the same goes for normal people.
If it is not a good idea people will not buy it. However, you will find that the number of customers who do find it a bad idea is miniscule, which is why the competing, open platforms are struggling to find a foot-hold. They are more open, they are cheaper, how can they fail?
Because of the App Store. Joe Public want something that works, not something that is so cool because look you can run a CLI shell on it.
You own your hardware, but it is useless without the software. Ford Sync is a "locked-down-" Windows box, if you get a Ford and wrestle Linux on the Sync, don't go complaining to Ford when it no longer works as advertised. But people did yell at Apple when their jailbroken iPhones got infected by the worm that exploited a default SSH password.
IBM has not defined what a PC is for decades now; they even abandoned it for a while back in the PS/2 days, with the whole MCA and OS/2 debacle. Not to mention they sold their PC division to Lenovo.
"IBM compatible" these days is something running System z.
It harkens back to using a Teletype over a 9600 baud line to the DEC PDP cabinet I guess. "Just like the old days" *sniff*
Who needs Farmville when you have We Rule? :)
Zynga can choose to make a FarmVille client for the iPad like they made a version of Mafia Wars for the iPhone.
"Paying" 30% for the services the App Store provides is cheap compared to running your own store. You see, getting 70% of sales in the thousands is better than getting 100% of no sales at all. Heck it beats the margin of practically any traditional sales channel for software.
Also, if it is bad, why are Microsoft carbon-copying the idea for their Windows Mobile 7?
Anyway, all the points you raise are well known and developers STILL prefer the platform and App Store over the platforms with more freedoms, and they do exist (apparently). However, it seems there is an unhealthy amount of jealousy in the camps associated with said platforms since they seem more busy trying to make Apple change their policies than to, you know, actually promote the competing platforms.
Counterpoint: Try to read a book on the Kindle - in the dark. Reliance on an external light source is a defect, not a feature.
Hello? Earth to AC: The 3G version of the iPad IS NOT OUT YET. Therefore he is using "free" Wifi.
Have you already forgotten the brouhaha about the SSH worm that exploited a default password on the jailbroken iPhones?
The "lock down" IS justified because it is their product! They get to decide! If you do not like the "lock down" buy something else!
They are not wrongdoings but business decisions.
There are "unrestricted" devices out there, buy them instead of being jealous of Apple's successes.
No, that was MSN's first incarnation, when Microsoft thought they should provide an alternative to this "Internet" fad.
But because of that marketing, they actually SELL. Perhaps that is a concept that proponents of competing platforms should look into? Selling their devices? Arguing how open Android is (*) or whatever Nokia's latest attempt is called nowadays?
*) provided you root your phone to install a version not crippled by the phone company, losing quite a few preloaded apps in the process, and then try and get someone to write apps for it when there is hardly any money to be made.
Aspects of which was merged into C to create Objective-C. Which Apple uses extensively these days instead of the Object Pascal of old.
(It still frustrates me that ParcPlace and DigiTalk killed their baby by not only making incompatible systems but also charging an arm and a leg for the privilege. Thus opening the avenue for the more complex but free C-family languages, like C++ and Java, to rule instead, leaving Smalltalk to live on, huddled in the corner as Squeak.)
Then buy an Android tablet. Oh wait you cannot since none of the promised/announced products are in stores yet, if ever. The iPad, being an actual, physical product sold in stores, wins by default over 3D renderings and bullet-point spec lists.
People complain that you cannot install what you want on the Apple devices, but for those of us who find anything we want to install on the app store, we can. Jailbreaking the iPhone to install what you want in general seems to just be to pirate apps anyway...
Religious fundamentalists hate the secular west, i.e. they are closer to the Apple haters.