and until the FOSS community realizes this there is no point in even trying to complete with Microsoft. It's not about being 'better' in any one category. It's about being good enough and pretty nice in all the categories at the same time.
you have no hope against winning against microsoft because you have no clue how to compete in the consumer software arena...
mod me down.. my karka already sucks.
If you want to beat Microsoft at the Office game, build a better word processor. All this non sense over document formats is just a weak attempt by FOSS to compete through legislation where you fail to compete on merit.
Get off your ass and turn Open Office into something sexy that looks, feels and runs on par with Microsoft Office and then let the market decide. You have google behind you. You have IBM behind you.
BTW. I use Office 2007. I think Open Office is garbage compared to MS Office. I don't use the OOXML document formats as most people in the business world need the old format.
lol... An long time Windows shill wrote an article about how Vista sucks and he might switch to Linux *after* ceasing his employment as a long time Windows shill. My money says he's shopping for a job to become a Linux shill.
So you are suggesting that anyone who wants to authenticate a username and password should invest in a certificate? And everyone who wants to support authentication should serve any page with a login box over https?
Funny... Slashdot doesn't even work that way...
I get modded down for presenting the facts. Parent gets modded up because he makes a hyperbole laced rant that bashes Microsoft and is completely wrong and utterly nonsensical. Man... I love this place.
You're a moron. How the hell did this idiot get modded up? Seriously??
The page you were served is http. The page you will post to for the login session https.
see this link...
var srf_uPost='https://login.live.com/ppsecure/post.sr f?wa=wsignin1.0&rpsnv=10&ct=1187341448&rver=4.5.21 30.0&wp=MBI&wreply=http:%2F%2Fmail.live.com%2Fdefa ult.aspx&id=64855&bk=1187341449';
Maybe you should learn how http works before pounding your chest on a global stage like you know more than the rest of us...
here it is again with proper formatting (stupid html option)...
I'm not a "newbie". I'm 35 years old and have literally been writing code for 23 years. I started writing Basic in a Tandy TRS-80 Model 2 a good long while ago and at the ripe age of 13 was hacking 'games' in assembler that I copied from books.
You just have no idea what you are talking about man. None whatsoever. And you are so caught up in the whole 'evil empire' thing that to attempt to debate it is pointless. Microsoft isn't 1 guy making decisions. Bill Gates doesn't run the show. Steve Ballmer doesn't run the show. Microsoft, as far as technology they develop goes, is a bottom up company.
The Silverlight technology is coming from Scott Guthrie's product group. I know Scott and he is very committed to pushing cross platform, open technologies. Scott invented ASP.NET. The big feature when the invention occured was the ability to target browsers when controls rendered. Initially Microsoft supported 2 modes, uplevel and downlevel. Uplevel was basically IE6 and FireFox 1 (support was added shortly after release). Downlevel was everything else. Since then ASP.NET controls have been deeply refined to enable strong cross browser support.
Microsofts AJAX technologies have been developed from the ground up to support non Microsoft platforms. You can visit the ASP.NET site and learn how the AJAX client libraries can be used *literally* from any server technology (not just asp.net) and in any modern browser (even Opera) without any issues at all.
Your statements also wreak of the whole "embrace, extend, extenguish" areguement. I **LOVE** when FOSS hard core fanatics start to wave this fud flag around Microsoft. Would you like to know why? Oh... it's the irony in the statement.
You see the whole EEE thing was really about IBM. IBM was the master of the EEE game. In fact the first time it was ever discussed was in the context of IBM. Yes, the same IBM that is currently "embracing" and actively "extending" your precious software projects. So is it possible that IBM will in the future attempt to extenguish FOSS? They are currently embracing and extending it. Or is IBM a different company now with different motivations and goals?
See if you choose the former all your arguments disappear. If you choose the later, then are must also admit that maybe, just maybe, Microsoft has the capacity to also change thier strategy.
So now to answer your question, "If it's so much like AJAX then why must Microsoft create this new thing?"
Ok. So maybe you should actually go learn what Silverlight is and how it works before ranting. See Silverlight *leverages* AJAX strategies. AJAX is a strategy. It is not a technology. JavaScript and XML are technologies. Silverlight is a technology that leverages both (or neither) of the J and the X. It leverages them with the same (A)synchronous technologies.
Which also makes me laugh because the whole concept and the technology to build asynchronous web pages was invented by drumrollllllll pllllllease... Microsoft.
So you are effectively saying that Microsoft is creating a new thing to crush thier old thing to ensure that windows stays relevant because the old thing they created is a threat to Windows *AND* Microsoft is delivering this new thing to crush the old thing in a manner that natively supports Max OS:X and Windows in FireFox, Safari and IE *AND* Microsoft is helping Novell deliver on Linux.
Dude... that makes no sense at all. None whatsoever.
It's clear that
A: you are clueless about how AJAX is implmeneted and where it comes from B: what Silverlight is and it's intended usage C: how Microsoft works internally D: how the.NET teams view thier role in the larger software ecosystem.
It is also clear that you are really just another over enthusiastic FOSS supporter who really has no idea about the history of software and the companies involved.
I'm not a "newbie". I'm 35 years old and have literally been writing code for 23 years. I started writing Basic in a Tandy TRS-80 Model 2 a good long while ago and at the ripe age of 13 was hacking 'games' in assembler that I copied from books.
You just have no idea what you are talking about man. None whatsoever. And you are so caught up in the whole 'evil empire' thing that to attempt to debate it is pointless.
Microsoft isn't 1 guy making decisions. Bill Gates doesn't run the show. Steve Ballmer doesn't run the show. Microsoft, as far as technology they develop goes, is a bottom up company. The Silverlight technology is coming from Scott Guthrie's product group. I know Scott and he is very committed to pushing cross platform, open technologies.
Scott invented ASP.NET. The big feature when the invention occured was the ability to target browsers when controls rendered. Initially Microsoft supported 2 modes, uplevel and downlevel. Uplevel was basically IE6 and FireFox 1 (support was added shortly after release). Downlevel was everything else. Since then ASP.NET controls have been deeply refined to enable strong cross browser support.
Microsofts AJAX technologies have been developed from the ground up to support non Microsoft platforms. You can visit the ASP.NET site and learn how the AJAX client libraries can be used *literally* from any server technology (not just asp.net) and in any modern browser (even Opera) without any issues at all.
Your statements also wreak of the whole "embrace, extend, extenguish" areguement. I **LOVE** when FOSS hard core fanatics start to wave this fud flag around Microsoft. Would you like to know why? Oh... it's the irony in the statement. You see the whole EEE thing was really about IBM. IBM was the master of the EEE game. In fact the first time it was ever discussed was in the context of IBM. Yes, the same IBM that is currently "embracing" and actively "extending" your precious software projects.
So is it possible that IBM will in the future attempt to extenguish FOSS? They are currently embracing and extending it. Or is IBM a different company now with different motivations and goals? See if you choose the former all your arguments disappear. If you choose the later, then are must also admit that maybe, just maybe, Microsoft has the capacity to also change thier strategy.
So now to answer your question, "If it's so much like AJAX then why must Microsoft create this new thing?"
Ok. So maybe you should actually go learn what Silverlight is and how it works before ranting. See Silverlight *leverages* AJAX strategies. AJAX is a strategy. It is not a technology. JavaScript and XML are technologies. Silverlight is a technology that leverages both (or neither) of the J and the X. It leverages them with the same (A)synchronous technologies.
Which also makes me laugh because the whole concept and the technology to build asynchronous web pages was invented by drumrollllllll pllllllease... Microsoft.
So you are effectively saying that Microsoft is creating a new thing to crush thier old thing to ensure that windows stays relevant because the old thing they created is a threat to Windows. *AND* Microsoft is delivering this new thing to crush the old thing in a manner that natively supports Max OS:X and Windows in FireFox, Safari and IE on all platforms *AND* Microsoft is helping Novell deliver on Linux.
Dude... that makes no sense at all. None whatsoever.
It's clear that A: you are clueless about how AJAX is implmeneted and where it comes from B: what Silverlight is and it's intended usage C: how Microsoft works internally D: how the.NET teams view thier role in the larger software ecosystem. It is also clear that you are really just another over enthusiastic FOSS supporter who really has no idea about the history of software and the companies involved.
Wal-Mart sells Clue. Go buy one.
insightful? are you fucking kidding me?
Obviously the parent poster (and the people who modded him up) don't have a clue what AJAX is; a clue how silverlight works; and any idea at all about how it compares to Flash.
* Silverlight applications pull data in native JSON formats (OMG... that's like AJAX!)
* Silverlight applications can be scripted in JavaScript or can run in a compiled mode with C#, Python, VB.NET or compiled JScript (OMG... it's kinda like AJAX again)
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and until the FOSS community realizes this there is no point in even trying to complete with Microsoft. It's not about being 'better' in any one category. It's about being good enough and pretty nice in all the categories at the same time.
sorry about that. i ate alot of cheese and eggs this morning. or maybe it was all the beer i drank last night.
lol...
you should probably stop drinking Stallmans sweat...
you have no hope against winning against microsoft because you have no clue how to compete in the consumer software arena...
mod me down.. my karka already sucks.
and of course this is why Word Perfect is still a dominate force in the market today... Oh wait...
If you want to beat Microsoft at the Office game, build a better word processor. All this non sense over document formats is just a weak attempt by FOSS to compete through legislation where you fail to compete on merit.
Get off your ass and turn Open Office into something sexy that looks, feels and runs on par with Microsoft Office and then let the market decide. You have google behind you. You have IBM behind you.
BTW. I use Office 2007. I think Open Office is garbage compared to MS Office. I don't use the OOXML document formats as most people in the business world need the old format.
[quote]This is a different kind of ad, just like Google changed ads on the internet they are changing commercials in video.[/quote]
lol... adbrite has been doing this for alot longer than google.
I know those bastards are up to no good!
lol... An long time Windows shill wrote an article about how Vista sucks and he might switch to Linux *after* ceasing his employment as a long time Windows shill. My money says he's shopping for a job to become a Linux shill.
So you are suggesting that anyone who wants to authenticate a username and password should invest in a certificate? And everyone who wants to support authentication should serve any page with a login box over https?
Funny... Slashdot doesn't even work that way...
I get modded down for presenting the facts. Parent gets modded up because he makes a hyperbole laced rant that bashes Microsoft and is completely wrong and utterly nonsensical. Man... I love this place.
You're a moron. How the hell did this idiot get modded up? Seriously?? The page you were served is http. The page you will post to for the login session https. see this link... var srf_uPost='https://login.live.com/ppsecure/post.sr f?wa=wsignin1.0&rpsnv=10&ct=1187341448&rver=4.5.21 30.0&wp=MBI&wreply=http:%2F%2Fmail.live.com%2Fdefa ult.aspx&id=64855&bk=1187341449';
Maybe you should learn how http works before pounding your chest on a global stage like you know more than the rest of us...
here it is again with proper formatting (stupid html option)...
.NET teams view thier role in the larger software ecosystem.
I'm not a "newbie". I'm 35 years old and have literally been writing code for 23 years. I started writing Basic in a Tandy TRS-80 Model 2 a good long while ago and at the ripe age of 13 was hacking 'games' in assembler that I copied from books.
You just have no idea what you are talking about man. None whatsoever. And you are so caught up in the whole 'evil empire' thing that to attempt to debate it is pointless. Microsoft isn't 1 guy making decisions. Bill Gates doesn't run the show. Steve Ballmer doesn't run the show. Microsoft, as far as technology they develop goes, is a bottom up company.
The Silverlight technology is coming from Scott Guthrie's product group. I know Scott and he is very committed to pushing cross platform, open technologies. Scott invented ASP.NET. The big feature when the invention occured was the ability to target browsers when controls rendered. Initially Microsoft supported 2 modes, uplevel and downlevel. Uplevel was basically IE6 and FireFox 1 (support was added shortly after release). Downlevel was everything else. Since then ASP.NET controls have been deeply refined to enable strong cross browser support.
Microsofts AJAX technologies have been developed from the ground up to support non Microsoft platforms. You can visit the ASP.NET site and learn how the AJAX client libraries can be used *literally* from any server technology (not just asp.net) and in any modern browser (even Opera) without any issues at all.
Your statements also wreak of the whole "embrace, extend, extenguish" areguement. I **LOVE** when FOSS hard core fanatics start to wave this fud flag around Microsoft. Would you like to know why? Oh... it's the irony in the statement.
You see the whole EEE thing was really about IBM. IBM was the master of the EEE game. In fact the first time it was ever discussed was in the context of IBM. Yes, the same IBM that is currently "embracing" and actively "extending" your precious software projects. So is it possible that IBM will in the future attempt to extenguish FOSS? They are currently embracing and extending it. Or is IBM a different company now with different motivations and goals?
See if you choose the former all your arguments disappear. If you choose the later, then are must also admit that maybe, just maybe, Microsoft has the capacity to also change thier strategy.
So now to answer your question, "If it's so much like AJAX then why must Microsoft create this new thing?"
Ok. So maybe you should actually go learn what Silverlight is and how it works before ranting. See Silverlight *leverages* AJAX strategies. AJAX is a strategy. It is not a technology. JavaScript and XML are technologies. Silverlight is a technology that leverages both (or neither) of the J and the X. It leverages them with the same (A)synchronous technologies.
Which also makes me laugh because the whole concept and the technology to build asynchronous web pages was invented by drumrollllllll pllllllease... Microsoft.
So you are effectively saying that Microsoft is creating a new thing to crush thier old thing to ensure that windows stays relevant because the old thing they created is a threat to Windows *AND* Microsoft is delivering this new thing to crush the old thing in a manner that natively supports Max OS:X and Windows in FireFox, Safari and IE *AND* Microsoft is helping Novell deliver on Linux.
Dude... that makes no sense at all. None whatsoever.
It's clear that
A: you are clueless about how AJAX is implmeneted and where it comes from
B: what Silverlight is and it's intended usage
C: how Microsoft works internally
D: how the
It is also clear that you are really just another over enthusiastic FOSS supporter who really has no idea about the history of software and the companies involved.
Wal-Mart sells Clue. Go buy one.
I'm not a "newbie". I'm 35 years old and have literally been writing code for 23 years. I started writing Basic in a Tandy TRS-80 Model 2 a good long while ago and at the ripe age of 13 was hacking 'games' in assembler that I copied from books. You just have no idea what you are talking about man. None whatsoever. And you are so caught up in the whole 'evil empire' thing that to attempt to debate it is pointless. Microsoft isn't 1 guy making decisions. Bill Gates doesn't run the show. Steve Ballmer doesn't run the show. Microsoft, as far as technology they develop goes, is a bottom up company. The Silverlight technology is coming from Scott Guthrie's product group. I know Scott and he is very committed to pushing cross platform, open technologies. Scott invented ASP.NET. The big feature when the invention occured was the ability to target browsers when controls rendered. Initially Microsoft supported 2 modes, uplevel and downlevel. Uplevel was basically IE6 and FireFox 1 (support was added shortly after release). Downlevel was everything else. Since then ASP.NET controls have been deeply refined to enable strong cross browser support. Microsofts AJAX technologies have been developed from the ground up to support non Microsoft platforms. You can visit the ASP.NET site and learn how the AJAX client libraries can be used *literally* from any server technology (not just asp.net) and in any modern browser (even Opera) without any issues at all. Your statements also wreak of the whole "embrace, extend, extenguish" areguement. I **LOVE** when FOSS hard core fanatics start to wave this fud flag around Microsoft. Would you like to know why? Oh... it's the irony in the statement. You see the whole EEE thing was really about IBM. IBM was the master of the EEE game. In fact the first time it was ever discussed was in the context of IBM. Yes, the same IBM that is currently "embracing" and actively "extending" your precious software projects. So is it possible that IBM will in the future attempt to extenguish FOSS? They are currently embracing and extending it. Or is IBM a different company now with different motivations and goals? See if you choose the former all your arguments disappear. If you choose the later, then are must also admit that maybe, just maybe, Microsoft has the capacity to also change thier strategy. So now to answer your question, "If it's so much like AJAX then why must Microsoft create this new thing?" Ok. So maybe you should actually go learn what Silverlight is and how it works before ranting. See Silverlight *leverages* AJAX strategies. AJAX is a strategy. It is not a technology. JavaScript and XML are technologies. Silverlight is a technology that leverages both (or neither) of the J and the X. It leverages them with the same (A)synchronous technologies. Which also makes me laugh because the whole concept and the technology to build asynchronous web pages was invented by drumrollllllll pllllllease... Microsoft. So you are effectively saying that Microsoft is creating a new thing to crush thier old thing to ensure that windows stays relevant because the old thing they created is a threat to Windows. *AND* Microsoft is delivering this new thing to crush the old thing in a manner that natively supports Max OS:X and Windows in FireFox, Safari and IE on all platforms *AND* Microsoft is helping Novell deliver on Linux. Dude... that makes no sense at all. None whatsoever. It's clear that A: you are clueless about how AJAX is implmeneted and where it comes from B: what Silverlight is and it's intended usage C: how Microsoft works internally D: how the .NET teams view thier role in the larger software ecosystem. It is also clear that you are really just another over enthusiastic FOSS supporter who really has no idea about the history of software and the companies involved.
Wal-Mart sells Clue. Go buy one.
insightful? are you fucking kidding me? Obviously the parent poster (and the people who modded him up) don't have a clue what AJAX is; a clue how silverlight works; and any idea at all about how it compares to Flash. * Silverlight applications pull data in native JSON formats (OMG... that's like AJAX!) * Silverlight applications can be scripted in JavaScript or can run in a compiled mode with C#, Python, VB.NET or compiled JScript (OMG... it's kinda like AJAX again)
and I'll return it for *ONE MILLION DOLLARS* (raises pinky to corner of mouth)