So the first example of MS not using the Cathedral model, and they act like this is huge sweeping change? Release the source to Win2K under the permissive license, or help the Samba team figure out the damn protocols for Active Directory authentication, and then maybe we'll talk about "changes" and "open standards"
Attitudes such as the parent AC's post are what will keep Linux out of the mainstream limelight.
Yes, maybe he hasn't 'seen' Linux. Maybe he's read about X11 becuase he read about getting OpenOffice working on OSX (and didn't know about NeoOffice).
This condescending tone is what keeps "Linux off the Desktop," and will continue to do so.
Come on people stop acting like it's a religion that only we the chosen few have gained knowledge of from the Gods or something.
I'm curious "which linux" they're switching to... Are they... 1. "Rolling their own" like Munich? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux/) 2. Picking a vendor/distro? e.g. RedHat/RHEL, Novell/SuSE, etc. 3. Going with an established distro like Debian?
That's a really bad example - how do we know that the firewall wasn't still on on the Windows side of the house, and Torrents being based on a upload-to-download ratio, you were getting higher download rate simply because you didn't have a firewall on?
Using one task on either OS alone as a factor is a flawed methodology.
First off lemme say I agree with you wholeheartedly.
That said, I'm gonna get a penguin suit and rent a stage, Dance Monkeyboy style. I'll throw in some moonboots even, for the Napolean Dynamite effect too
After a quick glance over the comments here does anyone else get the feeling "Ask Slashdot" isn't really working? I'd think that there were quite a few migration stories out there, at least from local governments trying to save money
(http://www.novell.com/success/jefferson.html) or just Googling linux success story...
I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy about possibly starting a business based on this (an idea I was toying with)...
First off let me say that "in the real world" Linux doesn't really help here guys... one of the main things people want to do at an Internet cafe is browse the web - and the abysmal state of the Flash plugin on Linux makes it not a viable solution. Yes, I know that Flash 9 is in beta, but it's not done yet. When Flash is viable (i.e. actually uses ALSA) I would suggest running some distro just like everyone else here.
For now, I went the "XP Lite" route - no Internet Explorer out of the box, the Automatic Updates service removed out of the box (it was killing the satellite link out here), and a lot of bloat removed. Here's a screenshot of computers at that Internet cafe.
Basically I renamed the local Guest account user, made Shell="progman.exe" in the registry, and a couple of other nice tweaks.
If you're interetested in the tweaks they're here, and the scripts it talks about you can email me for.
Privacy issues, such as someone else logging in as User and seeing everything the last guy downloaded, are handled by a task that's scheduled to run every 5 minutes. It checks to see if 'User' is logged on locally, and if he's not, it deletes "C:\Documents and Settings\User".
I setup the "Default User" profile to have all the settings already applied (like OpenOffice nagging you to set it up when it starts, Firefox asking if it should be the default browser, etc.) so by the script deleting "\Docs and Settings\User" the next guy that hits enter to login gets a completely fresh blank profile. Also I did some things that just make sense, like changing Firefox to clear all provacy settings when it's closed, etc.
It's been up at a 16 machine café for about two months now. No Internet Explorer, No MS Office. NO SPYWARE. Nuff said.
P.S. The antivirus solution is provided by AVG Free running completely in the background.
Right... I agree with you. I can remember in Windows 95 going to properties on winsock.dll and under the Summary it saying "BSD Sockets API" or something along those lines.
I was just curious if you had proof of this somewhere... other than "the grapevine."
Rather than just spreading slander do you have a link that verifies this? Even running strings on something in SFU that matches some OpenBSD utility? Or a website?
OpenBSD is released under the BSD license (hence the name.) See here for details.
So it's OK to use their code and not release the source. PearPC is GPL'd. Big difference.
"Microsoft hired a group of developers from Digital Equipment Corporation led by Dave Cutler to build Windows NT, and many elements reflect earlier DEC experience with VMS and RSX-11"
There's also giFT
- basically a daemon that provides a "framework for bridging multiple backend peer-to-peer protocols" using plugins that connect to several p2p networks. e.g. FastTrack (the Kazaa network), OpenFT (Open
FastTrack), OpenNap (Open Napster) and Gnutella.
Couple that with clients like apollon in KDE, giFToxic in GNOME and even KCEasy for
Windows and you have pretty promising p2p connectivity in Linux.
I've gotten many things to compile in Debian a lot faster then I have in RedHat/Mandrake
MySQL's latest build would not even compile on Mandrake 6.2... now I realize that's not the newest version but it's not that old
Debian's apt-get kicks ass... you gotta admit that at least, and the overall library placement just makes sense... RedHat genereally tends to put stuff in these weird places that you have to specify in the./configure options usually... I've never had to do that with Debian
Not trying to start a distro war... but at least be reasonable when you make statements like that.
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So the first example of MS not using the Cathedral model, and they act like this is huge sweeping change? Release the source to Win2K under the permissive license, or help the Samba team figure out the damn protocols for Active Directory authentication, and then maybe we'll talk about "changes" and "open standards"
Parent is right. This is about an advance in /medical science/ to preserve limbs.
It was posted to science.slashdot.org, not politics.slashdot.org
Images such as these remind us of the "Cost of War":
http://la.gg/v/The_Cost_of_War.jpg
The people replying with "the more people die, the faster we leave" sicken me.
lol ignore the OSTG link at the bottom of the page... it's all lies i tell you!!
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Sorry bout that
Umm... can I get a "Full disclosure.. Slashdot is owned by the artist formerly known as OSDL" Zonk?
Rather than just a broad statement like that can you please say why?
The Mono/Microsoft deal? Or why?
I can see you're a Java programmer (I'm checking out your delicious cloud)... is it the fact Java's open source now? (Which is a valid point, IMO)
Don't forget Mono and Gtk# too!
How are Gnomedevelop/KDevelop at simply "painting" instead of "coding"? Anyone know?
Attitudes such as the parent AC's post are what will keep Linux out of the mainstream limelight.
Yes, maybe he hasn't 'seen' Linux. Maybe he's read about X11 becuase he read about getting OpenOffice working on OSX (and didn't know about NeoOffice).
This condescending tone is what keeps "Linux off the Desktop," and will continue to do so.
Come on people stop acting like it's a religion that only we the chosen few have gained knowledge of from the Gods or something.
I'm curious "which linux" they're switching to...
Are they...
1. "Rolling their own" like Munich? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux/)
2. Picking a vendor/distro? e.g. RedHat/RHEL, Novell/SuSE, etc.
3. Going with an established distro like Debian?
Anyone know?
If you say this in your head as Peter from Family Guy it makes it oh so much more funny :)
That's a really bad example - how do we know that the firewall wasn't still on on the Windows side of the house, and Torrents being based on a upload-to-download ratio, you were getting higher download rate simply because you didn't have a firewall on?
Using one task on either OS alone as a factor is a flawed methodology.
LOL I've got 2 mod points left... wish I could mod the Woz +1 insightful.
The Woz is/was leet. I mean, who "goes away for a month" and creates the predecessor to USB.
Who does that?
The Woz does that.
The FreeBSD equivalent of NDISwrapper is "Project Evil" if anyone's wondering...
First off lemme say I agree with you wholeheartedly.
That said, I'm gonna get a penguin suit and rent a stage, Dance Monkeyboy style. I'll throw in some moonboots even, for the Napolean Dynamite effect too
"Exposure, exposure, exposure. Yes!"
After a quick glance over the comments here does anyone else get the feeling "Ask Slashdot" isn't really working? I'd think that there were quite a few migration stories out there, at least from local governments trying to save money (http://www.novell.com/success/jefferson.html) or just Googling linux success story...
I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy about possibly starting a business based on this (an idea I was toying with)...
First off let me say that "in the real world" Linux doesn't really help here guys... one of the main things people want to do at an Internet cafe is browse the web - and the abysmal state of the Flash plugin on Linux makes it not a viable solution. Yes, I know that Flash 9 is in beta, but it's not done yet. When Flash is viable (i.e. actually uses ALSA) I would suggest running some distro just like everyone else here.
For now, I went the "XP Lite" route - no Internet Explorer out of the box, the Automatic Updates service removed out of the box (it was killing the satellite link out here), and a lot of bloat removed.
Here's a screenshot of computers at that Internet cafe.
Basically I renamed the local Guest account user, made Shell="progman.exe" in the registry, and a couple of other nice tweaks. If you're interetested in the tweaks they're here, and the scripts it talks about you can email me for.
Privacy issues, such as someone else logging in as User and seeing everything the last guy downloaded, are handled by a task that's scheduled to run every 5 minutes. It checks to see if 'User' is logged on locally, and if he's not, it deletes "C:\Documents and Settings\User".
I setup the "Default User" profile to have all the settings already applied (like OpenOffice nagging you to set it up when it starts, Firefox asking if it should be the default browser, etc.) so by the script deleting "\Docs and Settings\User" the next guy that hits enter to login gets a completely fresh blank profile. Also I did some things that just make sense, like changing Firefox to clear all provacy settings when it's closed, etc.
It's been up at a 16 machine café for about two months now. No Internet Explorer, No MS Office. NO SPYWARE. Nuff said.
P.S. The antivirus solution is provided by AVG Free running completely in the background.
I was just curious if you had proof of this somewhere... other than "the grapevine."
OpenBSD is released under the BSD license (hence the name.) See here for details.
So it's OK to use their code and not release the source. PearPC is GPL'd. Big difference.
Don't just throw something out there with no proof... that's just like people claiming MS licensed code from VMS/DEC
Well... they didn't exactly "license" anything from DEC... more like they hired away developers from them (Dave Cutler, et al.)
From The Windows NT article on Wikipedia:
"Microsoft hired a group of developers from Digital Equipment Corporation led by Dave Cutler to build Windows NT, and many elements reflect earlier DEC experience with VMS and RSX-11"
There's also giFT - basically a daemon that provides a "framework for bridging multiple backend peer-to-peer protocols" using plugins that connect to several p2p networks.
e.g. FastTrack (the Kazaa network), OpenFT (Open FastTrack), OpenNap (Open Napster) and Gnutella.
Couple that with clients like apollon in KDE, giFToxic in GNOME and even KCEasy for Windows and you have pretty promising p2p connectivity in Linux.
hehe
Exactly
So let Jon Katz write whatever he wants... and either filter out all his articles... or stop reading Slashdot altogether
We've all got brains people... Jon Katz just has his own opinion
Umm that's BS
./configure options usually... I've never had to do that with Debian
I've gotten many things to compile in Debian a lot faster then I have in RedHat/Mandrake
MySQL's latest build would not even compile on Mandrake 6.2... now I realize that's not the newest version but it's not that old
Debian's apt-get kicks ass... you gotta admit that at least, and the overall library placement just makes sense... RedHat genereally tends to put stuff in these weird places that you have to specify in the
Not trying to start a distro war... but at least be reasonable when you make statements like that.
What the hell??
/dev/urandom and then copied it over he'd get like a 4 or 5
First post... "informative"
Second post... "interesting"
Damn
I guess if he just catted
Thanks for finally making an informative, non-sarcastic comment.
I am thinking this will alow me to telnet to my box at my house from school with a cell phone... at least at some point.
Sweet.