A large amount of the money is paid to the interconnects and the FIXes that they connect to. then the prices are jacked up 500% so that they can make some money - AND subsidize their monopolistic cable/DSL scheme, AND do maintenance on it all, AND keep several people 24/7 available at companies like Cisco, etc.
You thought Internet stuff was cheap? Price out a bare-bones low-end Cisco 7204 these days. That's a router for a small ISP of maybe 20,000 users and no broadband!
So let me get this straight... the ISP probably pays at least $3.00 Canadian a gigabyte (of course, that doubles during peak time because you must buy bandwith to suit!) and you figure it's O.K. if you download (assuming we're going with the lowest dollar figure) $270 worth a month and pay the company $40.00 a month?
First, Red Hat isn't the only Linux that supports SPARC, and who says that Sun won't build their own at some point? A lot of these posters don't look at the big picture.
BTW, Solaris rocks. I know a lot of you don't like it, but I can't for the life of me understand why. It's been a lot more stable than Linux around here (and yes we do use both).
Bell Canada sells Internet access via 1M modem to end customers for a total of $29.95 Canadian per month. Supposedly it will sustain 1M per second, or so their ads claim.
1Mbps costs me, as an ISP, $1000 per month plus fiber optic connectivity costs (about $10 per Mbps, conversely).
Samba is a fairly heavyweight player. The executable for smbd alone on SPARC is over 1MB in size. It would be nice to see a single task, multithreaded model. That would really kick ass IMHO.
It seems that to do anything useful in PERL these days I have to have 15 CPAN extensions which balloon the running size of PERL to ridiculous sizes. PERL has becoming increasingly utilities-centric around here, and we are forsaking PERL for Pike and PHP on the web server. Even mod_perl is monstrous.
Uhm... the only valid complaint from reading your message is that the Ultra 5 doesn't have SCSI.
I used an older Ultra 5 for two years - it was fast, the sound was very respectable and the video was great (though 8 bit because of its age).
The only problem I had was the IDE subsystem is slow as balls, just like all IDE systems. But I just put in a PIII-550 on my desk with similar setup, albeith SCSI-Ultra drives and it isn't much faster under Linux OR Solaris 7 than the old Ultra 5 I had was. At compiling because of the RISC nature of the system, but not much else. The compiling speed is a big boon to me - the rest isn't much different than the U5.
Either you're exaggerating or you've got a bone to pick with Sun, maybe... dunno.
I read with shock and incredulity the misinformation that Linux people are writing about Solaris.
It is *not* slow. It is *not* inferior to Linux. I *does* scale much better and have more business power features than Linux. It *does* have fewer drivers.
I also can't believe nobody with Solaris didn't shoot down some of the comments. One thing that Linux needs before it should be used in *any* business venture is a complete performance data gathering system that will provide detailed information about all the resources a system is using - otherwise it is impossible to profile for your performance goals.
Solaris is based almost entirely on shared libraries and deals with them well. It aggressively swaps out anything that is not in use - providing on my machine 70MB MORE DRIVE CACHING MEMORY than Linux was because it is intelligent enough to know when programs and program data are not in use - thus suitable for swap.
Solaris is vastly superior to Linux in many ways - if it gets the support to write drivers for legacy hardware and other Linux-isms, it would be a far better operating system than Linux will be for several years to come. No joke - DO NOT listen to the naysayers here, they are truly misinforming you.
Dammit, Linux isn't ready for high end servers. DO NOT PUSH IT IN THERE YET! It's not fast enough, doesn't scale enough, isn't multi-threaded enough, doesn't have enough support, and isn't robust (yes) enough. YET.
It's great! I'm using linux/gnome as I type this! But dammit, it is *not* a replacement for Solaris especially, or other UNIXen just yet. It isn't ready.
It isn't the right time to move Linux into corporate server production. Give it the time it needs to really become mature!
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Oh yeah, Excite@Home lost $6M a day, U.S. running their web site. Yeah, that's probably the way it went.
Say what? That's got to be U.S. dollars, because it sure isn't Internet pricing in Ontario!
A large amount of the money is paid to the interconnects and the FIXes that they connect to. then the prices are jacked up 500% so that they can make some money - AND subsidize their monopolistic cable/DSL scheme, AND do maintenance on it all, AND keep several people 24/7 available at companies like Cisco, etc.
You thought Internet stuff was cheap? Price out a bare-bones low-end Cisco 7204 these days. That's a router for a small ISP of maybe 20,000 users and no broadband!
Sweet Jesus, that's a cheap T1 line. Here in Ontario they are $1600/mo Canadian.
So let me get this straight... the ISP probably pays at least $3.00 Canadian a gigabyte (of course, that doubles during peak time because you must buy bandwith to suit!) and you figure it's O.K. if you download (assuming we're going with the lowest dollar figure) $270 worth a month and pay the company $40.00 a month?
Get real.
I thought this was the bug that couldn't be fixed because it was worked so deep into the OS.
First, Red Hat isn't the only Linux that supports SPARC, and who says that Sun won't build their own at some point? A lot of these posters don't look at the big picture.
BTW, Solaris rocks. I know a lot of you don't like it, but I can't for the life of me understand why. It's been a lot more stable than Linux around here (and yes we do use both).
Solaris 8 comes with failover, RAID and other HA utilities free of charge. They're on the CD. Even the $75 "free" version of Solaris.
You can also get a free "Admin Pack" from Sun.
Look into it, Sun's got what it takes in that area.
Bell Canada sells Internet access via 1M modem to end customers for a total of $29.95 Canadian per month. Supposedly it will sustain 1M per second, or so their ads claim.
1Mbps costs me, as an ISP, $1000 per month plus fiber optic connectivity costs (about $10 per Mbps, conversely).
Scratch your head over that one.
Samba is a fairly heavyweight player. The executable for smbd alone on SPARC is over 1MB in size. It would be nice to see a single task, multithreaded model. That would really kick ass IMHO.
Or maybe not. I could be wrong. Comments?
I own an ISP and have used the RBL with Qmail since mid-1997. It is a great service, and DOES catch many spammers - and lets them know about it.
It seems that to do anything useful in PERL these days I have to have 15 CPAN extensions which balloon the running size of PERL to ridiculous sizes. PERL has becoming increasingly utilities-centric around here, and we are forsaking PERL for Pike and PHP on the web server. Even mod_perl is monstrous.
And Linus, too.
(opposable thumbs intelligence)
Should "top ten *known* hacks".
Because the best of them, only a few people are aware of.
Way to go Linux, you old so-and-so.
I really like linuxtoday - if they ruin it, I will mourn the site for sure
Both Linux NFS and Quotas are badly, horribly broken. Until the 2.4 kernel is along you're out of luck.
Uhm... the only valid complaint from reading your message is that the Ultra 5 doesn't have SCSI.
I used an older Ultra 5 for two years - it was fast, the sound was very respectable and the video was great (though 8 bit because of its age).
The only problem I had was the IDE subsystem is slow as balls, just like all IDE systems. But I just put in a PIII-550 on my desk with similar setup, albeith SCSI-Ultra drives and it isn't much faster under Linux OR Solaris 7 than the old Ultra 5 I had was. At compiling because of the RISC nature of the system, but not much else. The compiling speed is a big boon to me - the rest isn't much different than the U5.
Either you're exaggerating or you've got a bone to pick with Sun, maybe... dunno.
Please. Solaris could make the open source movement jump up 10 notches overnight if it was used to its potential.
I read with shock and incredulity the misinformation that Linux people are writing about Solaris.
It is *not* slow. It is *not* inferior to Linux. I *does* scale much better and have more business power features than Linux. It *does* have fewer drivers.
I also can't believe nobody with Solaris didn't shoot down some of the comments. One thing that Linux needs before it should be used in *any* business venture is a complete performance data gathering system that will provide detailed information about all the resources a system is using - otherwise it is impossible to profile for your performance goals.
Solaris is based almost entirely on shared libraries and deals with them well. It aggressively swaps out anything that is not in use - providing on my machine 70MB MORE DRIVE CACHING MEMORY than Linux was because it is intelligent enough to know when programs and program data are not in use - thus suitable for swap.
Solaris is vastly superior to Linux in many ways - if it gets the support to write drivers for legacy hardware and other Linux-isms, it would be a far better operating system than Linux will be for several years to come. No joke - DO NOT listen to the naysayers here, they are truly misinforming you.
It's just one more reason we have to see as a collective that our governments are corrupt, fat, bloated, innefectual, stupid and clueless.
Enjoy the winfall now, because what we have now is almost certain to crash down if we continue the things we live with today.
Dammit, Linux isn't ready for high end servers. DO NOT PUSH IT IN THERE YET! It's not fast enough, doesn't scale enough, isn't multi-threaded enough, doesn't have enough support, and isn't robust (yes) enough. YET.
It's great! I'm using linux/gnome as I type this! But dammit, it is *not* a replacement for Solaris especially, or other UNIXen just yet. It isn't ready.
It isn't the right time to move Linux into corporate server production. Give it the time it needs to really become mature!
Damn linux nutcases...
I hope they've saved the ovum etc. for the tigers. Because it may already be too late to save them.
But frankly, Sun's SAR is better. Linux needs SAR though - very badly.
We should be worried. The day that Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day that they start making vacuum cleaners.