Nevermind Debian's political stances (they're the choir at the High Church of Emacs:); that itself can be overcome.
What has caused me to throw up my hands and give up on debian more than once is that its behavior is subject to change on the whim of an individual developer: all of a sudden, a package will change the way it behaves. For example, a year or two ago, fvwm2 suddenly decided that any default besides manual placement of windows was wrong, and routine upgrades changed this behavior. (That it overwrote the existing sytstem config file without making a backup or asking permission is a bug, not a showstopper).
There are also the occasional sudden decisions that files belong somewehre else.
I'm not complaining about Debian as a linux distribution (or as a X/BSD/Perl/MIT/AT&T/GNU/linux distribution:); when I need to use linux, it is still my choice. apt-get is wonderful; I never hated dselect (except for the refuasal to fix a bug that locked it over telnet because the bug was in ncurses), and a single/etc for everything is great (though I understand the reasons for having separate locations).
The problem is that it *does* change fundamental behavior, and that it sometimes does this suddenly. It lacks the very "singleness" that is needed for a standard.
I've always wanted to confront one of those phony preachers that show up on college campuses and accuse him of blasphemy whenhe goes into his creationist tirade?
Seriously: he, the creature, is attempting to limit the power of the Creator by placing limits on how He can Create. Just plain blasphemous . . .
It runs just fine on my thinkpad 755c--a 486 laptop with 20M and a 340M hard drive.
The sound doesn't work for linux, but I understand that If i'd boot into dos first, then start linux from there it would work until sleep set in--but who needs sound???
for those of that use *nix on a daily basis for our work, a laptop that *doesn't* run *nix just isn't very useful.
Fortunaely, due to the weird rules about faculty startup money, and since I'm also getting a real workstation, by boss is transmogrifying my startup pc into a laptop--which means I can continue work at home, even if only the editing (no, there's no laptop with the computational power I need:)
WHile it says "GPL," it is not exactly GPL: specific permissions have been granted for kernel modules. Call it GPL all you want, but the contrary actions change the license to a Quasi GPL-license
I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. Contact an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction if you need some.
HIstory suggests that it could be a draw. In particular, look at Delaware, which has separate Chancery Courts for business disputes (but don't confuse these with the historical Chancery Courts . ..). This is part of the draw, and and is part of general corporate-friendly climate that draws so many businesses to Delaware for incorporation. Delaware was #1 in the friendly climate for a very long time, and is still a close #2 to Nevada.
That was a required book for my "Search for Meaning in Literature," as a Jr. or Sr. in high school. And it was far from the most disturbing . . .
But anyway, the German teacher was a frustrated 60's leftover. She ran (not led) the "Foreign Language Association" whose sole activity seemed to be inserting "social justice" units in other classes [read: complain about evil right wing regimes while justifying the same beahvior from the left.] For quizzes, her students were required to right letters demanding the release of (what she deemed to be) political prisoners. Fortunately, she left the school to go on a "cross-country anti-nuclear tour" with her husband in their old volkswagen hippiemobile.
She once tried to explain to me that the only reason we dropped the bomb on Nagasaki was to see if it would go off (for the history-impaired, it was the first bomb at Hiroshima that was the untested type; the Nagasaki bomb was the same type tested in New Mexico).
Anyway, I usually found that disagreeing with the teacher's view was an easier way to an A than agreeing. One notable exception was when I argued in a major paper that *not* dropping the second bomb would have been morally indefensible. . . .
>--that 99% of what is ascribed as free
> thought in the 60's was just following people who were insane.
One of the general rules in life is that there are few groups as rigidly conformist as those that fancy themselves nonconormists: not only to you refuse to conform to society's norms, but you do it in *exactly* the right way, and hold *excactly* the right opinions.
I know a "granola" type who really is a nonconformist among the type: she's a capitalist. She gave up on her engagement to an anarchist not because of their differences, but because of the death threats (to him) by other anarchists over theologicial (?) differences . . .
It wasn't for a science fair, but that year I built
my own with an 1802. CMOS has infinite fanout for itself . . .
However, two big problems:
1) I got the bright idea to save a chip by putting the gates (quad bilateral switch. 4066? 4016?) bwtween power and the toggle switches, rather than between the switches and the bus. This of course shorts the bits of the data bus with "up" switches together, and htose with "down" switches together. No wonder the other guys used 8 rather than 2.
2) My wire-wrap CPU socket was defective. After rebuilding it another summer, and spending days with voltmeters and fequency counters, I came down to a couple of (critical) pins with enough conductivity betwen them to be force the cmos signal level. I confirmed this after disassumbly. (how in the devil do you get a semi-short in a wire-wrap socket?)
I never built it again; i had access to more powerful machiens to use, and there wasn't anything left to learn. But I still have the parts, and if my daughters ever show any interest . . .
I have a Ph.D. in economics, and I'm still not clear on the science/social science split.
When a distinction is made, it tends to be using "social science" as immunity from the scientific method.
I am a scientist. I research the choices made in human behavior, but I'll fight to the death over the scientific method: it's an either/or proposition, not something you can finesse.
Somewhere along the line I finally caved and switched from mosaic 3.0B to netscape, back when I was using older hardware. It was probably a conflict with some hardware I have; it's been a while.
Anyway, I preferred Mosaic to Netscape, and istr that it was much faster . . .
No, it's more like he left a sign on the candy that said, "If you don't like my dog, please don't eat the candy," after which someone came up, patted the dog, threw the stick for the dog, and ate a piece of candy.
I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. If you need legal advice, contact an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction.
I'm not certain which jurisdiction's law governs here (and am not going to do the hour or two of research unless someone pays:). However, given the Canadian base of OpenSSH, as well as the wide distribution of the original product into the English speaking world, I'll make some evaluations based on English Common Law.
He said that software could be used and modified, and that *incompatible* programs must not use the ssh name. That doesn't *give* permission to call compatible programs ssh, but it certainly implies it. Similarly, finding someone with a smoking gun in his hand over the shot and still bleeding body doesn't *prove* he killed him, but there's a whole lot of 'splainin' to do . . .
I don't see where he can go with this without producing more info. With implied consent and five years of silence, it's a real hard row to hoe . . .
>Resources under GNU/Linux (and other POSIX) systems are called things
>such as "memory," "free space in/var/tmp," "processes," "LWPs,"
>"texture memory," etc.
Yes, theat's also true under Linux, and X/Perl/BSD/NSF/Apache/GNU/Linux,
both of which are far more widely used than GNU/Linux, which is useless
without the rest.:)
The term "system resources" predates both Unix and the *existence*
of microsoft by decades (as does Emacs piggish behavior, iirc:).
>But when a resource is actually called "System
>Resources(TM)", and it's measured in percent, ten bucks says it refers
>to [23]the 64 KB USER and GDI heaps in Win32, which can't be enlarged
>without breaking Win16 apps. (See also [24]Resource Meter.) I see no
>analog to the 64 KB USER and GDI heaps on POSIX+X11 systems.
nope. I'm not referring to them at all. Just the plain old ancient
reference to taking everything the system has, and then some:)
hawk, who hadn't thought himself old enough to be a curmudgeon.
4. I no longer have to sit and change floppy disks for pointless multi-capacity read-write tests, leaving me near my vt100 with nothing else to do for two hours.
I doubt that anyone could read the entire days newsfeed in 24 hours these days . . .
There were sequences of tests that they wanted run, reformatting disks
in a variety of capacities. I explained to them why they would never
find the actual comaptibility probles which *could* come up this way, and
got the response that "XXX has put a lot of time into this, and we're
going to keep the test the way she set it up." Yes, someone with an
english degree decided upon a procedure to test drive formatting,
and her electrical engineer manager who actually knew about the
magnetic problems involved (the erase head on the 720kb floppies was
narrower than the write head on the 360kb floppies) wouldn't look
at the problems.
*shrug* It was their money, and i liked netnews . . .
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Nevermind Debian's political stances (they're the choir at the High Church of Emacs :); that itself can be overcome.
:); when I need to use linux, it is still my choice. apt-get is wonderful; I never hated dselect (except for the refuasal to fix a bug that locked it over telnet because the bug was in ncurses), and a single /etc for everything is great (though I understand the reasons for having separate locations).
What has caused me to throw up my hands and give up on debian more than once is that its behavior is subject to change on the whim of an individual developer: all of a sudden, a package will change the way it behaves. For example, a year or two ago, fvwm2 suddenly decided that any default besides manual placement of windows was wrong, and routine upgrades changed this behavior. (That it overwrote the existing sytstem config file without making a backup or asking permission is a bug, not a showstopper).
There are also the occasional sudden decisions that files belong somewehre else.
I'm not complaining about Debian as a linux distribution (or as a X/BSD/Perl/MIT/AT&T/GNU/linux distribution
The problem is that it *does* change fundamental behavior, and that it sometimes does this suddenly. It lacks the very "singleness" that is needed for a standard.
hawk
I've always wanted to confront one of those phony preachers that show up on college campuses and accuse him of blasphemy whenhe goes into his creationist tirade?
:)
Seriously: he, the creature, is attempting to limit the power of the Creator by placing limits on how He can Create. Just plain blasphemous . . .
but so far, my better judgment has stopped me
tthe death by a trillion pin pricks . . .
But they might be quite useful if we're ever invaded by armed paramecia . . .
Even better, we could use them for mounts for the Yeast Brigade, so it would be cavalry . . .
;)
You want to build a Beowolf with these things . . .
:)
hawk
This form of governmnet can only last until the hippo decides to sit on the horses . . .
It runs just fine on my thinkpad 755c--a 486 laptop with 20M and a 340M hard drive.
The sound doesn't work for linux, but I understand that If i'd boot into dos first, then start linux from there it would work until sleep set in--but who needs sound???
for those of that use *nix on a daily basis for our work, a laptop that *doesn't* run *nix just isn't very useful.
:)
Fortunaely, due to the weird rules about faculty startup money, and since I'm also getting a real workstation, by boss is transmogrifying my startup pc into a laptop--which means I can continue work at home, even if only the editing (no, there's no laptop with the computational power I need
Torvalds and Tannenbaum hashed out this argument long ago.
Tannenbaum lost . . .
hawk
hippocracy, n. The use of one hippo-like status (i.e., fat, bloated, and heavy) in the market to squish competitors. see also "Microsoft"
:)
hawk, who knows better than to flame spilling, but this was just to juicy
WHile it says "GPL," it is not exactly GPL: specific permissions have been granted for kernel modules. Call it GPL all you want, but the contrary actions change the license to a Quasi GPL-license
hawk
> A license need not be GPL to be GPL compatible.
No. But the license must be *assimulable* by the GPL in order to be "compatible."
The flip side is that the GPL is not compatible with *anything* else by the standards used for calling licenses "GPL compatible." . . .
hawk
Bankruptcy is conducted exclusively in federal court.
I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. Contact an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction if you need some.
.). This is part of the draw, and and is part of general corporate-friendly climate that draws so many businesses to Delaware for incorporation. Delaware was #1 in the friendly climate for a very long time, and is still a close #2 to Nevada.
HIstory suggests that it could be a draw. In particular, look at Delaware, which has separate Chancery Courts for business disputes (but don't confuse these with the historical Chancery Courts . .
hawk, esq.
That was a required book for my "Search for Meaning in Literature," as a Jr. or Sr. in high school. And it was far from the most disturbing . . .
But anyway, the German teacher was a frustrated 60's leftover. She ran (not led) the "Foreign Language Association" whose sole activity seemed to be inserting "social justice" units in other classes [read: complain about evil right wing regimes while justifying the same beahvior from the left.] For quizzes, her students were required to right letters demanding the release of (what she deemed to be) political prisoners. Fortunately, she left the school to go on a "cross-country anti-nuclear tour" with her husband in their old volkswagen hippiemobile.
She once tried to explain to me that the only reason we dropped the bomb on Nagasaki was to see if it would go off (for the history-impaired, it was the first bomb at Hiroshima that was the untested type; the Nagasaki bomb was the same type tested in New Mexico).
Anyway, I usually found that disagreeing with the teacher's view was an easier way to an A than agreeing. One notable exception was when I argued in a major paper that *not* dropping the second bomb would have been morally indefensible. . . .
hawk
>--that 99% of what is ascribed as free
> thought in the 60's was just following people who were insane.
One of the general rules in life is that there are few groups as rigidly conformist as those that fancy themselves nonconormists: not only to you refuse to conform to society's norms, but you do it in *exactly* the right way, and hold *excactly* the right opinions.
I know a "granola" type who really is a nonconformist among the type: she's a capitalist. She gave up on her engagement to an anarchist not because of their differences, but because of the death threats (to him) by other anarchists over theologicial (?) differences . . .
hawk
It wasn't for a science fair, but that year I built
my own with an 1802. CMOS has infinite fanout for itself . . .
However, two big problems:
1) I got the bright idea to save a chip by putting the gates (quad bilateral switch. 4066? 4016?) bwtween power and the toggle switches, rather than between the switches and the bus. This of course shorts the bits of the data bus with "up" switches together, and htose with "down" switches together. No wonder the other guys used 8 rather than 2.
2) My wire-wrap CPU socket was defective. After rebuilding it another summer, and spending days with voltmeters and fequency counters, I came down to a couple of (critical) pins with enough conductivity betwen them to be force the cmos signal level. I confirmed this after disassumbly. (how in the devil do you get a semi-short in a wire-wrap socket?)
I never built it again; i had access to more powerful machiens to use, and there wasn't anything left to learn. But I still have the parts, and if my daughters ever show any interest . . .
hawk
I have a Ph.D. in economics, and I'm still not clear on the science/social science split.
When a distinction is made, it tends to be using "social science" as immunity from the scientific method.
I am a scientist. I research the choices made in human behavior, but I'll fight to the death over the scientific method: it's an either/or proposition, not something you can finesse.
So am I a scientist or a social scientist?
Somewhere along the line I finally caved and switched from mosaic 3.0B to netscape, back when I was using older hardware. It was probably a conflict with some hardware I have; it's been a while.
:)
Anyway, I preferred Mosaic to Netscape, and istr that it was much faster . . .
At the moment, I'm typing in lynx
hawk
Hey, I think that's the soap opera my wife watches :)
No, it's more like he left a sign on the candy that said, "If you don't like my dog, please don't eat the candy," after which someone came up, patted the dog, threw the stick for the dog, and ate a piece of candy.
I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. If you need legal advice, contact an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction.
:). However, given the Canadian base of OpenSSH, as well as the wide distribution of the original product into the English speaking world, I'll make some evaluations based on English Common Law.
I'm not certain which jurisdiction's law governs here (and am not going to do the hour or two of research unless someone pays
He said that software could be used and modified, and that *incompatible* programs must not use the ssh name. That doesn't *give* permission to call compatible programs ssh, but it certainly implies it. Similarly, finding someone with a smoking gun in his hand over the shot and still bleeding body doesn't *prove* he killed him, but there's a whole lot of 'splainin' to do . . .
I don't see where he can go with this without producing more info. With implied consent and five years of silence, it's a real hard row to hoe . . .
hawk, esq.
>Resources under GNU/Linux (and other POSIX) systems are called things /var/tmp," "processes," "LWPs,"
:)
:).
:)
>such as "memory," "free space in
>"texture memory," etc.
Yes, theat's also true under Linux, and X/Perl/BSD/NSF/Apache/GNU/Linux,
both of which are far more widely used than GNU/Linux, which is useless
without the rest.
The term "system resources" predates both Unix and the *existence*
of microsoft by decades (as does Emacs piggish behavior, iirc
>But when a resource is actually called "System
>Resources(TM)", and it's measured in percent, ten bucks says it refers
>to [23]the 64 KB USER and GDI heaps in Win32, which can't be enlarged
>without breaking Win16 apps. (See also [24]Resource Meter.) I see no
>analog to the 64 KB USER and GDI heaps on POSIX+X11 systems.
nope. I'm not referring to them at all. Just the plain old ancient
reference to taking everything the system has, and then some
hawk, who hadn't thought himself old enough to be a curmudgeon.
> Everyone misunderstands Emacs.
:)
See, there's the problem. It's mother didn't love it, it's father abandoned them, and a cruel society led it to it's life of crime.
:)
hawk, replying twice to the same message, bad form or not
When you use emacs that way, it only requires 125% of system resources, rather thant 250%.
Bah, damned EMACS hating fances of the One True Editor . . .
:)
hawk
4. I no longer have to sit and change floppy disks for pointless multi-capacity read-write tests, leaving me near my vt100 with nothing else to do for two hours.
I doubt that anyone could read the entire days newsfeed in 24 hours these days . . .
There were sequences of tests that they wanted run, reformatting disks
in a variety of capacities. I explained to them why they would never
find the actual comaptibility probles which *could* come up this way, and
got the response that "XXX has put a lot of time into this, and we're
going to keep the test the way she set it up." Yes, someone with an
english degree decided upon a procedure to test drive formatting,
and her electrical engineer manager who actually knew about the
magnetic problems involved (the erase head on the 720kb floppies was
narrower than the write head on the 360kb floppies) wouldn't look
at the problems.
*shrug* It was their money, and i liked netnews . . .
hawk