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Bonsaikitten Eaten By Carnivore
Two nuggets from the FBI today - this: "Freedom of speech apparently doesn't apply to some topics. Take cute animals, for example. If it had been BonsaiSloth.com, we probably wouldn't seeing this." And this: "It seems that the FBI is changing Carnivore's name to "DCS1000" apparently because it 'made the system sound like a predatory device made to invade people's privacy'. I'm sure a snide remark about "truth in advertising" fits here."
I have recently learned the art of the Bonsai Kitten taught to me by my grandfather Tai Mai Choo. This method has allowed me to develop many of my own.
My primary method is what I call the Spider Kitten. In this method, the kittens' feet are tied with four nylon strings. The end of each string is streched to a point in which 4 small 5 foot high posts reside. There are four posts total; for each leg. The kittens' paws are tied to each of these posts for a period of 3 weeks. However, you must tighten the strings a little each day to avoid the legs from growing above the kittens' heads'. Proper feeding is required. After the 3 week period is up, the kitten is set free.
We have sucess fully grown kittens with legs up to 48 inches per leg. The cat can now almost stand face to face with it's master. It is a very painless process for the kitten. And I hope these cats will be adored and loved in your home.
WARNING: These kittens are NOT recommended to people with large quantaties of furniture. This is due to the fact that these kittens have an unusual way of marking their territory with their claws.
We also recommend that you keep these kittens on a leash, for the tend to run very fast, and are hard to catch.
M$ stock dropped in 1/2 since last year. If you are a MCSE, you will be broke.
I think your confused by the "Right Wing America", if bonsaikitty.com is ilegal it's because of a bill that Clinton passed. Both the Left and the Right are bad at making decisions based on political correctness, if you really cared you'd be a libretarian. Don't base your opinion of a political party on what the opposing party says, theres a reason that people have a low opinion of politics. I recomend that you get your political news from left AND right sources, not only that study the stuff yourself(it's rather intresting), you'll find that many people lie because of their idealism. You'd be suprised how many republicans I know that the only place they get their news is Rush Limbaugh, the same goes for democrats, many get all their news from democratic sources ONLY.
Will the FBI investigate the book,
"101 uses for a dead cat"? It was a book
of cartoons, all centered around imaginative
uses for deceased felines. I am a cat lover,
but found the book a hoot (as I do bonsaikitten)
sing it to dire straights money for nothing
I want my Bonziakitten.....
Now look at them yo-yo's
that's the way you do it
You stuff a kitten on your lab table
That ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
Now that ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya that guys not dumb
Maybe get a cat bite on your little finger
Maybe get a claw on your thumb
we got to drill some breating holes
Custom jars with garuanteed deliveries...
We gotta move these big old cats
We gotta move these breathing tubess....
I shoulda learned to stuff the cat
I shoulda learned to drill some holes
Look at that peta person ,
she got it stickin' her nose in my door
Man we could have some fun
And she's up there,
what's that? Calaco perrs?
Bangin' on the lid
like a chimpanzee
That ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
We gotta move these big old cats
We gotta move these breathing tubess....
This is a workin'
that's the way you do it
you stuff your kinnen on the desk top
That ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
I want my Bonziakitten
I want my Bonziakitten
I want my Bonziakitten
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my web site artistcorner.tv hip-hop music news
please help me make it better
if you see me, smile and say hello.
Shitty, long, run-on sentances from someone who gets judgemental about people to switch letters on accident. Poor grammar is a hell of a lot worse than one typo.
To continue, your point is basically 'I don't think it should be illegal, and I don't think they should be arrested, but the FBI should be able to invade their privacy, attack them, and probably take all of their computer equipment... just to give 'em a bit of a scare, so they'll think twice.'
Do you want a shitty police state to live in, where the government can harrass you just because you have controversial views? I'm sure there are plenty of Middle Eastern nations where you can get that wish fulfilled.
The USA is supposed to be about freedom. Thanks to whiners like you, it's turning into Politically Correct world. I don't have a problem with being kind to others, and I certainly believe in equality for all. But I have the right to say whatever the fuck I want, and that covers pictures and writing, and paintings, and all other sorts of shit. If you don't agree, don't go to the site.
Clean up your fucking grammar, learn how to make multiple sentances out of that fucked-up run on shit you just posted, further learn how to make paragraphs out of those sentances, and eventually, you might be easy to read. Until you've done most of that, don't talk about other people's writing skills. Fucking dolt.
When encryption is outlawed, ?o'AZ-,++o+i++##4AoA+-/-C++bI+/.+~
Alas, Scott Adams has already copyrighted the GruntMaster 6000 so this was obviously their fallback. Btw, doesn't "DCS" bear a scary aural resemblance to "DeCSS"?
The conclusion of your syllogism, I said lightly, is fallacious, being based on licensed premises
Congress shall make no law requiring jokes to be spelled out for the benefit of the humor-impaired.
--Amendment 42 of The New and Improved Constitution o' the United States of America©
My girlfriend totally agrees with you, dood.
"please could you stop the noise im tryin a get some REST? from all the unbornchikkenVoicesin my head?"
Nobody tell them about http://www.realhamster.com/. We'll have the ASPCA all over them too.
you obviously didn't read the link i posted, nor did you understand the original intent of the parent post... the modern definition of trolling often focuses more on crapflooding and nonsense than insightful trolls... this is what i'm referring to, not the well thought out, pseudo intelligent comments.
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If you don't know who the but of a joke is, then it's you.
Alas, our universe has only 3 spatial dimensions, so even Acme's dedicated engineers can't make a true Klein Bottle.
A Klein Bottle cannot be embedded in 3 dimensions, but you can immerse it in 3-D. (An immersion may have self-intersections; Embeddings have no self-intersections. Neither an embedding nor an immersion has folds or cusps.)
We represent a Klein Bottle in glass by stretching the neck of a bottle through its side and joining its end to a hole in the base. Except at the side-connection (the nexus), this properly shows the shape of a 4-D Klein Bottle.
taken from
http://www.kleinbottle.com/whats_a_klein_bottle.ht m
Damn straight he's on the level. I just bought one for a friend. It's also Cliff Stoll, of The Cuckoo's Egg
Has anyone tried calling the number on the bonsaikittens.com webpage right at the top of the screen under the main logo? The number is 212-662-7544. I'm too lazy to do it myself, but if anyone does try it, let me know what it says.
Why should humor have to be clearly labeled as such? Why do you condone the censorship of certain types of speech? Do you feel that the inhabitants of the world have become so stupid that we must spell everything out for them?
Nothing on bonsaikitten goes against the first amendment--end of story. There is nothing that should be (and, if you believe in just laws, could be) done against the owners of the site.
"Bloody RIAA. They can't keep the genie in the bottle. New technology allows people to get there hands on loadsa music."
Genie in the bottle? More like cat in the bottle!
El Karma: excelente(principalmente la suma de moderación hecha a los comentarios de los usuarios)
Your message regarding the Web site www.bonsaikitten.com was forwarded to me today; I am an Issues Specialist in the Companion Animals section of The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). The bonsaikitten Web site first appeared in late December. We received hundreds of complaints over just two days. In response, we investigated the origin of the site and found that the site was being hosted by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). In speaking with the MIT Network Manager, we found out that the name and address the site is registered to, a "Dr. Michael Wong" in New York, is false information. The creator of the site is actually a student at MIT who initially created the site as a joke amongst friends, then, encouraged by all the negative attention he was receiving, decided to make a statement about his right to free speech by keeping his site up and running despite requests remove it. MIT was very supportive of the concerns of animal organizations and citizens sending in complaints about the site. Despite the legal protest about the student's free speech rights, MIT removed the site on December 22. In addition, a local humane organization has investigated as well (the student claimed to have used computer graphics to create the shots of kittens in jars). We began receiving complaints about the bonsaikitten site being back up again several days ago. I have contacted MIT, which is not hosting the site. I have contacted the group we suspect is hosting this site and have stated our concerns and asked that the site be taken down. I am currently waiting for a response. I will be glad to contact you when I have any further update on this situation. In the meantime, please advise those concerned NOT to send e-mail or otherwise contact the person running this site (I believe there is some contact information listed on the Web pages). As I mentioned, it appears that he is only encouraged by the negative attention and the more he receives the stronger his resolve to keep the site up and running will be. Thank you for your concern. Please feel free to share this response with others who are concerned about this site. Sincerely, Julie Shellenberger Issues Specialist, Companion Animal Outreach The Humane Society of the United States www.hsus.org
Will the last company to abandon Linux please turn off the lights??!
Usually mongrels (dog or cat) are a better choice, if for no other reason that the odds may be in the pet's favor to have a long and healthy life. You might not end up with an award winning pet, but you should have a friend and companion that you can share many, many years with.
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
are fucking wierd. Check out this site for more cat induced fun! Half the fun is reading the hate mail from people who are just a bit too sensitive about cats.
Scuttlemonkey is a troll
-- Stanislav Shalunov
Kleinbottle.com is real. The structures that they sell aren't true klein bottles, but they're as close as you can come in three dimensions. Great gifts.
For a bunch of GNU/Linux fans, you all are slow to catch on to a recursive acronym: DCS1000 Castrates Speech.
Oh yeah, I'm all for that cat thing. I've detested those furry bastards ever since one pissed in a pile of clothes in my room long ago. I won't go into what happened to that particular specimen. Oh crap! Gotta go get the door - I just heard three loud, crisp knocks.
Oh man, you totaly hit the nail on the head there. Very good points. I have 2 cats. And at first when I started reading this I was really feeling sick. But as soon as I realized this is a joke. I could not stop laughing. I was laughing so hard there were tears coming down my cheaks.
My feeling was that both the major parties ignored young people in their conventions, and exclusively targetted families and seniors, hence we saw some pro-censorship agendas from both sides.
However, I don't really see what vegetarianism has to do with censorship though -- I'm afraid the relevance of that remark escapes me.
The site is obviously a joke! But what about the recent "Goldfish in a blender" artwork recently displayed in a Danish Museum,leaving the visitors to ponder if the blender was actually operational and hooked up to the power grid, eventually one visitor decided flick the switch on the blender..the rest is history and so was the goldfish!
There was a big controversy in California over the sale of horses to out-of-state slaughterhouses. Many people thought it was culturally incorrect to eat horse meat.
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I agree that it is horrible for different reasons. It may be a joke but there is more than likely somebody stupid enough out there try it at home. Its just a little bit too feasible for my tastes. Thought it could be the alcohol making it seem that way.
"What are the three words guaranteed to humiliate men everywhere?
In Republican America phones tap you.
Well, isn't it a predatory device used to prey on the average person? Come on, I thought this was common knowledge... :)
Lousy facepalm.
As usual, the typical anti-law-enforcement knee-jerk reaction from /. people. FBI is OBLIGATED to investigate this site that apparently violates a federal law, whether this site seems to be a dumb satire or not based on common sense. FBI is not arresting anyone - they are investigating to SEE whether the site is for real violation of the law or not.
If I posted pictures of dismembered people on my web site, would YOU know whether i'm being a sick moron or a psycho serial killer? And if you claim to know, i'd like to find out where did you get your Ph.D. in psychology from, as well as what criminal profiling jobs have you had, since Joe "this is obviusly not for real" Average Slashdotter simply doesn't have suficient background to be able to distinguish between the two - yes, most likely it's simply a sick prank but you never know 100% sure.
Oh, and didn't Jeffrey Dalhmer start out with pets too? I shot off an e-mail to my psych-educated friend to clarify if this is a verifiable trend but I expect it to be so.
Yes, if this was a prank and FBI actually harrasses the idjits after verifying this, this would become a First Amendement issue. Right now itr is not.
-DVK
"The right to figure things out for yourself is the only true freedom everyone shares. Go use it"-R.A.Heinlein
"Society got to the point where we couldn't offend anyone, the Irish, Jewish, Cat-lovers, Dog-lovers, etc, etc..."
It's not about racial groups, it's about animal abuse...human cruelty.
Time after time what was before seen as a form of entertainment is later identified as a form of brutality and abolished.
Look at the Roman empire and the Coliseum, I am sure at that time there were people that thought that was a horrible show while most of the mob thought it was fun thing to watch.
Look at slavery....
Look at cannibalism...
Look at human sacrifices...
Look at genocide...
Look at animal experiments (yes they are nastier than you might imagine)...
Those were all acceptable in their time by people like you and rejected by people like me. I'm glad people that think cruelty is not human right are the ones shaping the world.
BTW...I'm a vegan
You mean like breeding them, raising them in pens and coops for the sole purpose of killing them, devouring their corpses, flesh and organs, and walking about in their skin and fur?
;)
I can't believe you would dare compare cruelty against cute, smart, fuzzy, fluffy, straight from heaven creatures like Kittens to those gross, dumb animals like cows. There isn't any comparison! What kind of sick perverted freak are you? Kitten are cute, and nice, and warm, and fuzzy, and cute, and cute, and nice. Cows are stupid, ignorant creatures, who are ugly and deserve what they get. If me and my Animal Activist friends ever catch you on the street, we'll be sure to have words with you, right after we get done eating our dolphin safe tuna.
Heh, looks like the moderators on that board are in full troll-hunt mode, so I have to get my "Hypocritical Animal Rights Activists" rant off my chest here, sorry for the indulgence.
skkkoooonnnggggkkk ptui
Everyone who is against this site makes the same argument, "What if a child sees and does it?". This is just another case of America forgetting it's up to parents to raise their children. I just can't believe the FBI is acting this insane.
I think the point the poster makes however is thatthe napster mob use the fact that the technology can be abused as a justification for their abuse of it -- there's a prevailing attitude that if you can't stop the napster users, they are in the right. (a classic might-makes right argument that expresses the true mob-mentality of the napsterites) However, in this instance, they are hesitant to apply the same argument to the FBI (namely that they can abuse the technology, therefore they should do so without restraint)
Damnit, I wanted to post a nice thoughtful reply on their message board, but after half an hour of fucking around with things, I had lost several postings and it still wouldn't recognize my login even after I activated it.
Man, they ask for a lot of info before they let you post, too. Wow.
Oh well. Their loss.
:-)
Not representing or approved by my company or anybody else.
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I know, I wasn't really clear about that... He is selling something, but they're not actually Klein bottles. Anyway, it's still a joke, in that it's obvious that the site is primarily intended to be humorous.
All right, agreed with on all points. It was unclear from your first post whether or not you meant the entire site was a hoax (like bonzaikitten). But the site is obviously intended to be amusing, and I think it succeed. And the almost-klein-bottles are pretty cool. To bad they can't be embedded in this dimension, only immersed.
Stupid like a fox!
Damn right. "Our FBI" can't even nab an elderly mob boss, and we're all paying for the FBI's mistakes. Forget about all the damned secrets, I want to know about the FBI's blunders, and I want to believe that they're trying to stop being so clumsy.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
Clever trick to hide it in a jungle of
other model and product numbers.
Those who can do. Those who can't sue.
Don't do to a cat what your cat wouldn't do to you if you were mouse sized. Erm.. wait a minute...
Can I hop on? Seriously, someone might shoe horn a kitten into an old mini coke bottle as a conversation piece, so let's ban satire?! When you go to a rave, always take your pills to Dance Safe, especially the green triangles, and never lick someone elses stickers. You should never accept drinks from someone you don't know well, especially waiters (I've seen Fight Club). It's one thing to object, as a matter of taste. And perhaps, "It's not for me, thanks" lacks impact. But web + alcohol + hyperbole != argument. The thing that sets you appart, aside from Justin Bailey, is that you admitited you're under the influence, which is commendable (down right Presidential). But what scares me is the other people with the same view point, what's their excuse? Just how many people in Appalachia read slashdot? I'm sure Bonsai Kitten isn't what Al Gore had in mind when he invented the internet, but it's funnier than black kids working minimum wage at McDonald's to subsidising rich, white, kids with their tax dollars. No, wait...yeah, Bonsai Kitten is funnier, but less ironic, that's it.
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
If they go after these guys for encouraging cruelty to animals, I won't have faith in our justice system until they go after the producers of Hannibal for encouraging cruelty to humans.
BTW, you can embed a Klein bottle into spacetime -- 4 dimensions is sufficient, you can for example use the extra dimension to "wiggle" around the self-intersection.
Yes, nothing says to your girlfriend "your sexy" like giving her a Klein bottle for Valentine's Day.
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Carmack is an elitist, pseudonerd bastard.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
This looks an awfully lot like all the sites that have tried Schrödinger's Cat Experiment. Explained here and tested over there.
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Because a lot of people have reported it and it looks like they may be breaking the law ? The real problem is not that the FBI is actually enforcing the law, it is that the law is dumb (in this case). Bans on depiction of cruelty to animals IMO should only apply to material where animals are (illegaly) harmed in the production. One of the problems with a blanket ban on "depiction of cruelty to animals" is that AFAICT, it would rule out depictions of instances of cruelty to animals that are protected by law (battery farms, vivisection, etc)
LAUGH, ya, I didn't change my type from code.
/.
If anybody who reads this has any pull at
I suggest changing the default to something a
little better then code.
Damn. Banned after two hours. Oh well...
the no
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
I think you're missing the point here. I, like most of the people here find it on the offensive side, and if in the right mood, would fire off an email stating just that opinion. However, in the case of this website, we're talking about a federal investigation into a site that is obviously doctored photographs which anyone with a copy of Photoshop/Gimp/etc. could throw together in a short period of time. I've found images that are much closer to being illegal on rotten.com than the site in question.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
>Just as an aside, I'm pretty sure that it's completely illegal
:) I've actually received several mailorder catalogs from a company called Glory Fireworks. I never ordered anything - I buy all my shit at the county line - but they were doing mailorder regardless.
>to ship firecrackers or other dangerous materials (explosives? hello!)
>using the USPS, and I'm pretty sure the other transport companies
>won't go near the place either.
Well, it's illegal to grow pot, too, but there's no shortage of seedbanks out there who will be glad to mail anywhere in the world
I just did a search and found a fireworks company who was willing to ship via USPS to anywhere except "AZ,CA,CT,DE,GA,MA,ME,MN,NJ,NY,PA,RI,VT." Apparently there's no federal (e.g. USPS) regulations on shipping fireworks... Must be up to each state to decide.
Shaun
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
BTW...I'm a vegan
and i'm from arcturus.
anyway, do you torture the plants as you kill and eat them?
do you even know how to give them a quick, merciful death?
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- A.E.
You might want to consider that some of us think beyond 'trolls' and little adventures in fake-fraud on message bases.
People who run around talking about 'trolls' might be the ones in need of a bit more active life.
dood, is that a Radiohead lyric line you got there as your sig?
Johnny Quest has two Daddies.
Ummm, you have a score of zero because you're an anonymous coward. I don't think that does speak volumes of Slashdot, other than that we get a lot of AC trolls around here. I wonder if this was one.
-ben.c
Dawnism hard at work
I'm a cat person. I hate to admit it, but, permanent chicks suck, dogs are forbidden from apartments, roommates are a pain-in-the ass, and parents are great, but, you shouldn't live with them. I thought when Sox died at 15 after being hit by a car and leading a very disturbing garbage-picking life, I was done with them for good. I wasn't a cat person. Couldn't have been more wrong. I hate cats, but, had I not taken Sox in, our cars would have had a lot more pigeon shit on them.
I used to make the office-chicks change their cat-screensavers when I was an administrator at a gov't agency, 'cause they bugged me. Of course, two of these had 13 and 8 (respectively) of these vile little creatures at home, since men found them (the office cows, not cats) so offensive. Again, it wasn't the fault of the cats. It's just that they (the chicks) couldn't stay in a male's presence with his approval for longer than 5 seconds and needed some companionship.
When my latest cat was thrust into a bar and hazed and abused by its patrons a close friend of mine's wife took pity on the poor beast and, since they already had 3, felt I should be compelled to take her in. What the hell, I figured. It was a cute little monster, and, I'd had 3, or 4 beers, and felt the 20 - 25 bucks a month on cat food and litter couldn't be too much of a burden. Then, the little bastard educated me as to how much fun she could have trying to guess the passwords on my computers' xscreensavers, and, there was that one day she unplugged the main extension chord to the UPS and I had to rush home after the pager went off only to find her batting around a dead mouse next to an orange extension chord plug that looked strangely as if it had once been plugged into an outlet lying fairly close to it. Strange how cats can teach you new tricks. I learned she wasn't strong enough to pry an AS-400 away from the wall from whence it wedged an extension chord plug securely into an outlet.
Yup, hate, the little monster, but, Tux (my bastard cat, not the penguin), probably spends her days surfing kitty-porn and morally damaging sites like this one, all-the-while filling carnivore logs with my RemoteAddr when she's not rebooting my Linux and BSD boxes, as I slave away on my day job earning the loot to finance that cat food she needs laying around to supplement her diet of mice.
Just hope she's got a plan B, when the Feds knock on the door to take me in for surfing kitty-porn.
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Now I'm no expert. But trolls are at least as old as bridges and billy goats. It's been said that the first email was a test, and the second a flame, but on closer examination, the first was acctually a troll. People have been trolling since before they used the web for porn, and back when all anime came from ftp.cdrom.com. '/.' doesn't even have very good trolls, unless you're a troll (but I'm an easy fish to catch). I don't see any ask slashdot's about why there are no shadows in space for Christ's sake.
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
Not only does Stoll sell klein bottles, he has absurdly good QA. And yes, they make good gifts, provided you know the right person. My girlfriend is studying pure math (ie the totally useless kind :) ), so this was perfect.
Er, since I'm addressing the humor-impaired, I should probably point out that http://www.kleinbottle.com is a joke as well.
No it's not, A friend ordered one from them and he's drunk beer out of it! It comes with a couple of sides of A4 about what to do if you're exporting it into any universe which has more or less than three dimensions (consult a registered quantum mechanic etc.).
Matthew @ Bytemark Hosting
A. If the world must be made safe enough for the stupidest of us, then let's shut down Space Watch cause I welcome the Apocalypse.
B. Schrodinger's Cat is a cruel thought experiment that encoureges the abuse of cats via vial smashers, cyanide, and unspecified radioactive isotopes. So all textbooks, conference papers and other information reguarding this and similar inhumane thought experiments should be destroyed. Never mind that in the near century since this experiment has been posed not one cat has been both alive and dead in the presence of a vial smasher.
C. Idiot's don't need encouregment. Encouregment mearly adds direction to what would otherwise be directionless and equally entertaining.
D. "Don't believe everything you read." -- Dad. Or "You're eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them." --Alec Guiness
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
And oddly enough rotten.com is hosting the bonsai kitten site, since it kept getting shut down by its previous hosts.
Everyone seems to consider this stuff to be either a joke or real. But in my opinion this site may be well a very good political statement against animal cruelty. It very sublty but convincingly demonstrates the hypocrisy of many so called animal lovers that want to censor this site but at the same think artificicially breeded perversions like hairless cats are cute. Apparently breeding cats without tails or dogs with heads so small there eyes allmost pop out is less cruel than even mentioning putting kittens in a jar.
This site clearly holds up mirror to society. Therefore it is and should be protected as free speech.
and I think this site is fucking hilarious. In the 19 years on this earth I have grown enough to know when someone is making a joke for the sake of how ridiculous it is, and I can laugh.
Part of me hopes the site is a commentary on how pet lovers really do raise their pets. . . but the humor is a little to unsophisticated for that.
SURE! And tux being sodomized by the freeBSD
daemon(demon?).
Thats the point, right there, in a nutshell.
In this country (and I speak of the us here.)
Free speach is legal. Censor one thing, and you
quickly open a flood gate of other possible
things to censor. Including you.
So before people start to get uptight about this
realize, that your views my be eccentric and
offensive to somebody else. Of course,
unless your a tapocia head in 451F.
If that ever happens to me, somebody, please,
shoot me, for to be tamed, is to be dead.
I place this site as having about the same amount of realism as the movie "Hannibal". Yes the images are disturbing however, it's obvious to anyone with an IQ of over, say, room temperature, that the images are fake. As I and many others have said before, if these were real images we'd be joining you in being up at arms, however, these are fake images which can serve perspective as to where we're going and where we've been.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
Satire, not parody. Satire can be funny, or not. Swift's "A Modest Proposal" was given in a rather serious tone without any disclaimers. Did you really think that cooking and eating babies was the message there?
But I seriously question the intellectual capacity of those who look at the Bonsai site and honestly believe the US Government issues kitticulture permits in order to allow people to stuff kittens into Klein bottles with a shoehorn. You *do* know what a Klein bottle is don't you?
You know that poor cat who gets choked to death by his own intestine and cut into pieces on a TV show called the "Simpsons"? That's called satire too. Bet you can't figure out what the message is there either.
They really must be putting something very bad in the water lately... this is proof.
Sheesh
Freerifle may be a joke, but had you ever heard of the US Army's "Office of Civilian Marksmanship"?
I heard that at one time, they were giving away surplus M1 Garand rifles.
Now they charge $165 - One per citizen over 18, if you are in a marksmanship program and have no criminal record...
It's an old program designed to ensure that the government can raise a straight-shooting militia, should the need arise.
Cheers,
Jim in Tokyo
-- My Weblog.
www.cat-scan.com
It's hilarious. If you look at the scans, the majority of the cats just seem confused as to why they are sitting on a piece of glass. Most calm cats will stay wherever you put them for at least a few seconds, they they will leave if they wish. I don't think it's that cruel. I think some people go a little overboard, but people have been cruel to animals for ages, I don't think that websites like this are promoting anything new. At least they don't have pictures of two cats tied to eachother by the tail and thrown over a clothesline. That was the worst thing I saw as a kid.
2 The stupidity of the audience doesn't impose restrictions on free speach© When the first admendment says "congress shall make no law © © ©" That means NO LAW©
I never said there needed to be, or is there, a law© I said that people need to take personal responsibility when excersing their right to free speech, to be sure that it doesn't infringe unfairly upon anyones one fundamental right of the US Constitution:
To allow citizens: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness©
Disclaimers on inflammatory jokes is no different than ratings for music, movies, tv, and games© None of these are required by law© It's a responsibility that big, scary, corporate america ¥or in this case, site operators take on in order to protect the individual©
-Andrew
Bonzaihuman!
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
The people who are calling for this site to be taken down are the same people who call for the Green Bay Packers to change their name because it is cruel to animals.
That's the esteemed Professor Loof Lipra. Try holding a mirror up to your monitor and re-reading this post if you still don't get it.
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Tsorp Tsif
Fist Prost
"We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."
Fist Prost
"We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."
-Jaron Lanier
It sounds like the site owner could have put a "this is a joke" disclaimer at the bottom of the page, but didn't because he wanted to read enraged responses and laugh at the senders. That's not very ethical by my standards -- especially when the content of the site might lead someone to hurt cats, or even if a it would lead a cat-lover to *think* that someone might hurt cats after seeing the site. Plenty of web surfers wouldn't be tipped off by "rectilinear" or "klein bottle" and immediately figure out that the site is a joke.
I haven't actually seen the website -- I'm just going by the linked articles, so I could be wrong about the facts. (Also, for now, I'll stay out of the debate over whether it was right for the FBI to shut down the site.)
The shareholder is always right.
Freedom of speech apparently doesn't apply to some topics.
Right. And as soon as you forget your starry-eyed idealism, you'll probably accept it.
I'm really getting sick of Slashdot for this very reason. This is absolutely correct - freedom of speech does not apply to all topics. You can't lawfully plot the assassination of the president, you can't lawfully say or write damaging things about people that you know are false, you can't lawfully sell a canned soda drink and call it Coca Cola, etc., etc.
Some restriction is necessary to keep our economy running smoothly, to keep some semblance of order, and to keep things fair and just.
I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death, blah, blah, blah... Don't make me ill. I'd never defend to the death the right of someone put up a web site about squishing kittens into Mason jars - my family is too important to me to do that.
Don't get me wrong - freedom of speech is the best default for making a judgment on what is lawful to say. But you know what? I have a favorite limitation on free speech - an overriding principle. The Supreme Court of the United States said it in their judgment on Ginsberg v. New York, 390 U.S. 629: "the parents' claim to authority in their own household to direct the rearing of their children is basic in the structure of our society." They were saying that New York was not at fault for making criminal the selling of pornographic material to minors.
Just some stuff for you starry-eyed idealists to think about.
I got my Linux laptop at System76.
Here's one that's already ready already:
Squirrel Fishing.
Fist Prost
"We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."
Fist Prost
"We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."
-Jaron Lanier
Yeah, I guess I'm pretty damned tired of humans...we're a bunch of morons. God I hope we never meet another alien race. I'd be so embarassed. :P
BytesTemplar.com
When asked whether someone has the First Amendment right to advocate for animal cruelty, Allanach replied: "That's a great question. That's at the heart of a lot of debate."
Perhaps she could have continued
Note: I am a very big believer in protecting the rights of animals, as well as humans
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Dear Bonsai Kitty...
I've had my Bonsai Kitty for 6 weeks now and I couldn't be a more satisfied customer. I have had two dinner parties since receiving my "B-Kitty" and have proudly featured it as the centerpiece on my dinner table! It is just amazing how I have become the envy of all my friends and associates!
I do have a couple of Kitty-care tips to share but I did not see a spot on your website where I could post them, so I am just going to include them here so you can post them whenever you get around to creating your "Bonsai-Kitty Kare Korner" section.
Tip 1. Unwelcome Nocturnal Meewing
This seems to happen more and more as your B-Kitty gets older and the best way I have found to deal with this little problem is to drape the Kitty-Jar with two heavy, thick moving blankets just around sundown. I'm pretty sure that the darkness calms the B-Kitty and lulls it into a peaceful night of slumber.
Tip 2. Fogging in the Kitty-Jar
This happens when you keep the ambient room temperature too low for your Bonsai-Kitty. I've been keeping the thermostat at about 97 degrees F. in the room where I keep my B-Kitty and I think the problem is pretty much licked now.
Tip 3. Clawing Sounds.
These little noises may be cute but they can be distracting while discussing the latest DotCom failures over dinner. I solved this problem by applying a little petroleum jelly on the end of a slightly bent coat hanger and, inserting it throught the 1/4 inch air hole, apply a dab or two to the inside of the Kitty-Jar just under the Kitty's little foot pads! Works like a charm!
Thank you again Bonsai-Kitty for all of the delightful conversations that have been sparked by my new B-Kitty. My mother-in-law seemed very envious (and her birthday is just around the corner), so be expecting a new order from me soon!
Thanks again for a wonderful product!
Sincerely,
Alan K. McSwain
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
Bonsai cats? Not offensive. In fact it's fucking hilarious. Especially if you're a cat owner. I've watched my cats stick their heads into various cups, bags, boxes, and vessels more times than I can count. That site almost could be made by simply lying various containers on the floor and just waiting for your cats to get curious.
Carnivore? Now *that's* offensive.
the no
In December 1999, President Clinton signed a law that makes it a federal felony to possess "a depiction of animal cruelty" with the intent to distribute across state lines.
does this mean it is illegal for me to post copies of the picture of LBJ carrying his dog by ears on the internet (even assuming I had obtained permission from the copyright holder)? as I read this, the distributers of "Appocolypse Now", "Gremlins", "Something About Mary", just about any Warner Bros cartoon (as well as thousands of other films and cartoons), the networks that broadcast them, PETA (all those anti seal clubbing informercials), and endless news agencies are in violation of the law. What happened to freedom of speach? this law needs to be contested and struck down now as unconstitutional.
An eagle has a left wing and a right wing, but they're just for flapping. The bird brain is in the middle.
Well, that is one of the definitions of art!
Seriously, a display that evokes varied and strong responses in people, especially if it makes people challenge and perhaps re-evaluate their values, is ART! The debate on Slashdot, the wired articles, and the fact that the FBI had to be involved are all suggesting that this website is a beautiful work of art! I think the designer should recieve an award!
I think the only real concern anyone has is that dumb people will stuff their cats into bottles after seeing this page. Much like how some dumb kid burnt his penis when he stuck it into a freshly baked apple pie... I say we give these people every chance to remove themselves from the gene pool. Stupid people breed too much.
Bleh, I'm done here...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
A man who wants nothing is invincible
I grew up in a small town where people didn't just make off-color jokes about flaming cats being thrown off bridges, some of them had really done it. Two guys who had dowsed a cat in gasoline, lit it on fire, and threw it off a 300 foot bridge were caught (they bragged in public) and eventually sentenced to 6 months (the max). Two years later they were both convicted for murder after breaking into a farm house and raping, torturing (for over a day), and killing the occupants. I knew people who bragged about beating cats in burlap bags with baseball bats. A friend had a cat that returned home one night with a plastic bag over its head, tied at the neck. It was hacking up blood and died on the way to the vet. The people responsible for that also thought it was pretty funny and got quite a few laughs out of it. People like this really would try to grow a cat in a jar if they were a little more creative.
Now, after that rant, let me say it again: if this is just a joke, they have every right to offend me with it. I don't have to look. But it is not at all obvious to me that this is entirely a joke, and for that reason it warrants investigation.
LOL... I haven't even looked at the site, and I personally do not care what is on it. The mere fact that the FBI is after MIT students, who are trying trying to make a prank is absurd. Obviously the students knew that everyone would get mad, but the point was just to see what would happen. I guess there truly is no free speech in this world any more. Personally, I hope this makes the hackers made, because the FBI are the people who deserve to suffer for this. They have made fools of themselves. If the FBI is reading this, enjoy... I have nothing against you, but trying to go after stupid MIT pranksters is a waste of my tax dollars. If anything, go after those pro-no-speech people...
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." - "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean NOT
This reminds me of the fuss people made over his wrestling act. The knee-jerkers just couldn't wrap their mind around the possibility that he was just trying to get their goat. Studios used to try to get him to tell everybody his impromptu antics were "just a joke", much like these people rabidly insist that Bonzai Kitten nicely let everybody know it's not for real. It's sad that War of the Worlds style radio shows are illegal these days (you have to clearly identify such fare as being fictional).
-*Avatar*-
What do I win?
-- Real Men Don't Use Porn. -- Morality In Media Billboards
Also FatPhil on SoylentNews, id 863
Why's that? They simply had the temerity to strongly disagreee with a particular idea or point of view. In this case, yours :)
See Sig append. Append Sig, append. Good Sig.
He sells items very close to klein bottles. [Note - To understand explaination, please take a look at http://www.geom.umn.edu/zoo/toptype/klein/standard /stills.html. It gives a good view of a klein bottle's general shape]
The difference is that there is a hole in the glass klein bottles where the handle part reaches the body part of the bottle. In a true klein bottle, not such hole exists, and this is the reason a true klein bottle is impossible - The handle and the body of the bodle must intersect but not touch each other, meaning that a true klein bottle must enter a fourth dimension in order to correctly form this section of the bottle.
You think anyone at the FBI knows what a Klien bottle is?
I have some violations to report! The movie "Apocalypse Now" is one. That oxen or cow or whatever sure had the anvil falling toward it. We got to see it being sliced up. And it was *real*, or is using real images of abuse not included in such legislation? Is Francis Coppola still in jail? The movie "Braveheart" is another. They profited from all those abusive images of spearing poor horses. That one wasn't real. So Mel Gibson must obviously be in jail right? The TV cartoon the "Simpsons" is one more. Here a cat is repeatedly depicted as being sliced up by power tools, getting blown up, and being hung to death by its own intestine. And some parents let their kids watch it. I bet that mouse is in jail! And I can guarentee that they are profiting from this activity! Oh, perhaps the legislation doesn't cover media, TV movies, books, art, etc. but only the Internet or satire on the Internet? Ahhh... yes perhaps that's it. Perhaps someone can explain this in more detail.
INTEGRATED SYSTEMS DEVELOPMENT, INC. of Michigan ownes the trade mark. Can they sue the FBI?
The vast majority of people nowadays go about their daily routine ignoring and repressing most of their inner feelings and thoughts. Mostly due to societial/religious conditioning to keep those 'bad thoughts' out of their heads.
Along comes this site and people freak out...how could a 'human' do such a thing?? Worse still, how could a human even have a 'thought' like this?? Having been so conditioned to not even question that they themselves might have a 'dark-side'. There is no way they could ever conceive such a notion in their mind let alone do it.
Unfortunately the truth of the matter is (as most readers here know), we (humans) ARE capable of thinking and doing this sort of thing (...and worse). Of course thinking and acting on those thoughts are quite different. More people need to understand their own dark and violent nature to be able to control it and laugh at the cruel joke of it all.
The scary people out there are the ones who deny acknowledging their dark nature and then one day have it creep up and overtake them. Those are the people that would actually go and glue their cats anus shut and stuff them into a bottle. And later, after they are being hauled off to jail (or whatever), they are going "I don't know why I did it...". Neighbors saying "He seemed like such a nice person...".
More satire at our perverse nature wont desensitize us, it will allows us to better understand ourselves and lead more productive lives.
And for any trolls here from the humane society, sheesh read the sentence about them having a US government approved license for this...that should tip you to the joke of it all.
-not your normal AC
Wot? You mean like breeding them, raising them in pens and coops for the sole purpose of killing them, devouring their corpses, flesh and organs, and walking about in their skin and fur? Thankfully we are beyond barbarity like that, eh?
Johnny Quest has two Daddies.
Actually, if you put it to a beat, you stand a good chance to get a lucrative contract with Time-Warner.
It increasingly seems that freedom of speech in the US depends upon who is doing the speaking...
And don't forget, individuals are responsible for their own actions.
He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.
-- J.R.R. Tolkien
Fine. But you don't have the right not to be offended. Nobody has.
"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
Huh? What's FBI's role in "encouraging people to rethink" their taste or talent?
"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
>Would it really have hurt them to put
>a "this is a parody" disclaimer
>at the bottom of the site?
And what good would it be? Assume a sicko out there who visits the site and actually decides to try it for real. Exactly how effective would a disclaimer be in stopping him?
"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
A man who wants nothing is invincible
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
> Why should humor have to be clearly labeled as
:) ]
such?
A few years ago (96?) I referred to my Cat's
Death Stout on rec.crafts.brewing, not a place
noted for the humor-impaird. Particularly, I
mentioned that it had been a double-batch, but
that my cat had knocked the airlock out of one of
the bottles, leaving it open to infection.
Sone responded with a rather rabid message,
concluding that he hoped I choked to death on the
fur.
I started sending a caustic response, but thought
better of it. Sure enough, many others did,
pointing out that any idiot should have been able
to recognize I wasn't serious. [after all, it
wasn't like he ruined *both* carboys
hawk
DCS1000? Why, did they have a Y2K naming failure and DCS2000 rolled over to DCS1000? What kind of customer marketing decided on a 000 prefix? We should get better products from our government money. (Of course, I also don't appreciate the expense of their having to change all those Carnivor business cards, letterhead, pamphlets, and billboards)
But you do have the *choice* to not be offended. If you get offended, that is your choice. To believe otherwise is bad faith.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
heck, in 1984, there were something like 30 universal newsgroups--seems to me that they wouldn't quite fit on one screen, but didn't need two.
And you could read the days newsfeed in about two hours (yes, my consulting at the time had some *very* boring tasks that left me sitting in front of machines for a long time waiting to change disks).
I see a parallel to the ./ article earlier on virtual child pornography. People often claim that there is no slippery slope, but this is it in action. This is then next thing that they take our rights away from. And then it's another, and another, and another.
-no broken link
Jeez... anybody with cats know that they'll get into any container, no matter how big, just to see what's inside!
Why do you think there's such a problem with people accidentally killing their pets by locking them in the fridge or the dryer?
This is a funny site, that pokes much needed fun at breeders and collectors alike. If you *don't* get it and think this guy needs to be punished, then you have obviously never owned a cat.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
A man who wants nothing is invincible
By the FBI? Bullshit. The proper procedure for an investigation on this subject is for the FBI (if they're concerned) to contact local law enforcement where the individual lives. Then there should be a warrant issued, and ONE COP should knock on his door and say "I know this sounds lame, but the FBI was concerned that you might be putting cats in jars. Can I come in and see if you have any mason jars with cats in them?"
This is simply another case of people trying to infringe upon freedom of speech - Or perhaps the head of the FBI is just a cat lover.
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ALL YOUR KARMA ARE BELONG TO US
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I don't think there is a joke in the world that doesn't offend someone somewhere. When we tell people jokes, we filter out from our mental joke jukebox anything we think they might find offensive. The first joke that comes to mind down the pub with my football mates probably isn't the first one I'd trot out to a new female employee to make her feel more relaxed.
With the web being accessible to everyone that filter is no longer there and the onus is on the end user to "get it". Complaining on Slashdot that it's obviously a joke is unfortunately preaching to the converted. Most of us here are intelligent and have some formal education. Sadly out there are many that are more limited, with knee-jerk reaction so fast that makes you wonder if the impulse came from the brain at all. We can hardly complain though when the same power that allows the joke to reach so many is also used by its opponents to whip up hysteria and misinformation.
People talk about disclaimers spoiling the deadpan nature but most deadpan material sits on satire news sites which is a disclaimer in itself. People can publish anything they like on the net, and jokes like this help to make people a little less credulous of the things they read. In an age when even journalists seem to have stopped checking their facts I can only see the existance of this web site as a good thing.
There are some applications and pages that try and learn your sense of humour and deliver jokes appropriate to you. I used to run eLOL (RIP) which was very good. However, the things that make you laugh the hardest are the things that take you from surprise.
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
I disagree; The site is primarily intended to sell (three dimensionally immersed) klein bottles. In fact, I bought my girlfriend a klein bottle mug for her birthday - Gotta love geek girls.
However, Cliff does have a great sense of humor, obviously. One of these days I'm going to have to drop by his pad and pick up another klein stein. (I wonder how having a lid would change its mathematics...)
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ALL YOUR KARMA ARE BELONG TO US
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Now, after that rant, let me say it again: if this is just a joke, they have every right to offend me with it. I don't have to look. But it is not at all obvious to me that this is entirely a joke, and for that reason it warrants investigation.
I assume, MrGrendel, that you haven't looked, otherwise the satire would be obvious. I don't find the site humorous, but I do find it hilarious that adults who do not appear to be otherwise mentally defective are unable to recognize satire. No, I am not referring to you, as I don't think that you have actually examined the site. Still, I do wonder, seriously, whether adults who lack the ability to recognize satire are missing a chromosome or something. In my household, myself and my eldest daughter (she is 16) both have well developed senses of humor. My youngest daughter and my wife seem genetically incapable of recognizing sarcasm, satire, parody, etc., and are also the type of people who are constantly tricked into forwarding hoax e-mail.
Neopets - the best free game on the Int
...but really, I think that PIMPBOT5000 would have been better.
Does anyone else remember the article in Wired - (May, 1994 - here)
about the war between alt.tasteless and rec.pets.cats? Go read it.
I love the line in the article where it says that usenet has 4,000 newsgroups - I remember seeing something like 25,000 in 1996, the last time I checked...
Cheers, Jim in Tokyo
-- My Weblog.
FreeRifle.com is obviously a joke, right? A witty (sort of) send-up of the idiotic companies we saw during the height of the internet business craze... Right?
Now I'm seriously considering putting a disclaimer on the page, which will ruin the parody.
If you think the Bonsai Kitten site is offensive, just take a look at this poor excuse for a living creature. It's a walking dustmop! It can't possibly live in the wild - it was bred to be an incredibly stupid, docile animal, so that it will put up with being properly "taken care of" by the people who buy them.
I spent a few years around the edge of the cat show/breeding scene, and it's just amazing what you see...
Dumbass Control System.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
I remember having to read that in my Freshman English class in college.
I also remember when we came to class the next day, half the class somehow managed to think poor Jonathan Swift was serious.
I don't think the government even needs to be secret about it any more. People are too stupid to care.
Dlugar
Computer Go: Writing Software to Play the Ancient Game of Go
Of course, this assumes that there is no actual cruelty occuring.
Dude, have you seen the site? They put a kitten in a wide-mouth glass mason jar, and took a photo. In another photo, they've covered a full grown cat with a clear pyrex mixing bowl.
Guess what? None of that is cruel. It's not even close. You can't hurt a kitten by putting it in a wide-mouth mason jar for the few seconds it takes to snap a photo. Hell, if you have a laid back kitten, or you've pumped it full of enough catnip before hand, the kitten probably won't even care.
The cat under the pyrex bowl probably did care, of course -- after the photo was snapped, and the bowl taken off,the cat probably expressed its extreme displeasure by rolling over, or going to sleep on top of the refridgerator, or by sitting on the window sill for a while.
Seriously, there's nothing on the site that indicates any kind of cruelty to anything. Putting a pyrex bowl over your cat for a few seconds is no more cruel to the cat than the cat is cruel to you by kneading your chest with its sharp pointy claws while you're trying to read the newspaper. The cat's certainly not hurt, and is at the worst slightly annoyed with you for a few minutes. Big deal. There's real stuff to be concerned about in the world.
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
Well... I'm a cat fanatic, and so logically I _ought_ to be offended. But on the other hand, I find 'Dysfunctional Family Circus' hysterically funny, and that is at least as sick if not more so. Therefore, I am forced to accept that bonsaikitten.com is funny too- if melonheaded mutant children are funny, then so are cube-shaped kittens. ;)
Great! Now they are using a CD coping service for reading people's email?
Mark Duell
Typos coming from a guy with a metallica domain, that's really surprising! Honestly, I think the site is in really poor taste. The average Joe Schmoe would think it is real and I wouldn't be surprised if some idiot or kid actually tried to do it. I'm not saying we should censor the Internet so kiddies don't try bad things, but this site is a lame attempt at being humorous so I don't object to the FBI investigation. I don't think anyone should do time for this or anything, you can't arrest people for having poor taste, but maybe it would encourage people to rethink their parody and humor sites. This site should at least have a disclaimer or something the tells people its all in good fun.
You don't have the right not to be offended. You have the ability.
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Do ya feel happy-go-lucky, punk?
Yes it would. It would have detracted from the fun. And why should they detract from the fun to pander to the less intelligent?
No, I don't. I think a criminal investigation should only be launched when there's actual evidence that a crime has been committed. In this case, a corpse or missing person.
It's hardly the same. 911 is for reporting emergencies. The web is for fetching information from remote servers. No guarantees are made that the information is serious or accurate.
Instead of putting a disclaimer on the web site, let's put a disclaimer in the web browsers. Dialog box: "Danger! You are entering the World Wide Web! You may be trolled or offended. Click 'Accept' to continue." I'm assuming that idiots don't use lynx.
*sigh* I thought the Klein Stein would've been kind of a neat, geeky thing to own. Sure, since it's an object in three space it's not really a klein bottle, but who cares?
After checking the site, and going to the order page, I don't think it's a joke. The ordering instructions are just the kind of cobbled together thing I'd expect out of a place like that. Thank goodness I'll be able to get my Klein Stein someday. :-)
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
I don't object to the FBI investigation. I don't think anyone should do time for this or anything, you can't arrest people for having poor taste, but maybe it would encourage people to rethink their parody and humor sites.
You have got to be kidding me.
Why should people "rethink" their parody and humor sites? And moreover, why should the federal law enforcement agency be the organization that prompts such rethinking?
In what broken, perverse society is the propriety of parody determined by those being parodied?
Precisely because crazy cat people (I love cats, but I am - apparently unlike some - not an idiot about it) are so offended by this and so unable to see it for what it is, it stands as an example of fine parody, a paragon of the art, and should be displayed far and wide. Schoolchildren should be shown this page when they're learning about forms of expression.
Anyone who thinks that there is anyone out there who wants a cube-shaped cat needs a good long session with a humor therapist. It is precisely because of this modern disease - the absolute inability to exercise even the slightest amount of skepticism, to critically evaluate, to put aside sentiment and open one's eyes - that our culture is losing what faint traces of subtlety it once had. We are no longer allowed to make jokes, to poke fun, to invite someone to look at something a new way. Instead, we have to label our jokes with "This is a joke", run a laugh track behind them, and clear them with a phalanx of focus groups to ensure not a single person in the audience will feel that the joke's creator has for some inconceivable reason singled them out as a target.
You make me sick. It is people like you who will destroy art, will reduce us inexorably to the lowest common denominator.
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
Even if rated Humorous
It is the LEFT wing that is into Political Correctness. This includes animal rights and vegetarianism.
As a gun-toting carnivore, I know my accusers by reputation and the pretty sight pictures they make.
Reality is just a clever Hack, and the Planck constant is the refresh rate.
A lot more people have been suckered in by the guy than you'd think. http://www.mit.edu/~jayp/Public/kitten/ has a list of several of the pictures the guy has received in an attempt to justify the cuteness of the kittens, and a log of lots of messages the guy has been sent so far.
Well this one hasn't been fought in court. IIRC, the main intent of this law was to eliminate the production and sale of "crush" videos--women in high heels mashing insects and mice. Sorry, don't have time to ferret out the appropriate URL's for y'all. __________________________
Protege Posterioram Tuam
Since a Klein bottle is non-orientable, isn't everything outside of the Klein bottle inside it. (i.e. there is no outside)
Which means of course that these guys are actually performing Kitten bonsai with Klein bottles if they own a kitten and a Klein bottle. But then, again, the existence of a Klein bottle means all cat owners have practiced Kitten bonsai--including those that belong to the humane society and the ASPCA!
Protege Posterioram Tuam
bonsaikitten is too good of a parody, to the point where a person of average intelligence will not think it's a parody.
Therefore, the protection of freedom of speech is limited in cases where the quality of the speech is too good.
The conclusion that one must necessarily draw about this case, and many many others, is that the USA's focus is shifting: from one that necessarily protected certain freedoms, to one that only protects politically viable viewpoints.
Can you think of anything more dangerous?
good lord young man.
you win the prize for funniest post of the day. someone mod this up.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Yea, right.
At what point does "humor" cease to be humorous?
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Your Servant, B. Baggins
They do - only they only investigate black people (nwa, dr dre etc) and not Clint Eastwood, Sly Stallone etc.
Now the government wants to prevent you from watching pussies.
(and eating meat is bad if I understand well)
Je t'aime Stéphanie
I found myself simultaniously laughing and disgusted at the same time. I had a difficult time discerning if its a parody or if they're actually serious about it. But guess what. Its just words and pictures on a screen. I hadn't heard a thing about it until someone told me about it and I'm no more likely to stuff my cat into a jar than I was before I found the site.
As far as I'm concerned, if no cats were actually harmed during the making of the site, I don't care at all. If the cats were dead before inserting them, I don't care. If they were alive but not in pain, I don't care.
My point is this. This is the first time I ever heard anything about this. Even if this was some underground activity, I probably would have heard SOMETHING about it before. This improves the likelyhood that its only a parody and I intend to treat it as such. If there are those in the world that would be inclined to stuff their cats into a jar after reading that site, we probably have much worse things we need to worry about from those people than bonsai cats.
In other news, I find people who are extreme animal rights supporters, or at least supporters of all the animals that are fuzzy and cute, to overreact in a big way to anything that even remotely threatens something thats cute and fuzzy.
I remember the website about cat scanning that had them in an uproar because it was in some way scaring the cats or something. Everytime I take my cat to the vet, it gets all worked up. But that doesnt' mean I don't take it in every year to get its shots. At least I love my cat.
Did you know, animal rights supporters out there, that there are orginizations that you actually support that are KILLING those cute fuzzy little kitties?? YES! Its happening every day all across the USA. The SPCA will KILL those cute fuzzy kitties. Of course, the more PC term is euthinization (sp??) but the end result is the same. Yet nobody seems to complain. I can't imagine why. See that cute cow out there in the field, eating grass. It goes "MOO" you know. It shits on the ground and smells bad. Well, somebody someday is going to kill that cow and carve it up and stick it between two pieces of bread and you're going to eat it. YES. Just think MOO whenever you eat that tasty hamburger.
Cute little chicken. Adorable. Mmmm.. Nuggets.
Where are the protesters???
Froglegs Yummy. Disecting frogs in class. Where are the protestors? Didn't you know that frogs are cute, although they're not paticularly fuzzy. Come on people. PROTEST!
I had pet rats once. Of course, I didn't buy them as pets.. I had purchased them as snakefood, but the snake must not have been hungry for rat, so I ended up with two pet rats. That evil snake was going to eat those cute little rats. Pet stores all over the place will sell cute little rats and cute little mice just so they can be fed to evil snakes. But nobody seems to be protesting.
Yet if I even considered the possibility of feeding a kitty to a snake, letting that snake wrap around it, and suffucate it to death, and announcing that fact to the world, there would be mobs of angry protestors beating down my doors. I can't imagine the big deal, but there you go.
Of course, I would never feed a kitty to a snake. But I have no doubt that a snake that was big enough would try to eat it, and I certainly couldn't fault the snake for trying, as its only doing what nature has instructed it to do.
Of course, just wait. I was joking about there being no protesters against eating cows. There are. Plenty. They're just not quite as vocal yet. Soon enough though we're going to see that songs like "Carrotjuice is murder" won't be so funny anymore. They'll be candidates for National Anthem replacements.
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True, incompetent breeders do exist who in-breed animals to the point where they are hopeless genetic freaks, but to blindly accuse everyone who raises show animals of cruelty displays more ignorance on the accuser than evidence of evil on the part of the breeders.
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"Sure, it's someone's idea of a joke, but I happen to find it offensive and don't mind saying so. "
Do you wander around bookshops, libraries, cinemas etc going `oooh, i dont agree with that....mike, look at that. 00ooh would you just look at that!". If so, why?
I defend their right to say it (provided they didn't do this to any actual kittens, in which case they should be taken to a public place and have something horrible done to them involving their entrails), but I also defend my right to send them a friendly e-mail saying precisely what I think of them, and speculating on the reasons as to why they did this, including but not limited to poor sexual performance/experience, little social interaction with their peers, and a complete lack of common humanity, maturity or intelligence.
And I don't even like cats... :)
It would be really easy for the real G hackers to bootfuck the FBI, IRS by writing viruses that target specific systems. Hell, I could do it if I wasn't so lazy.
Everyone knows the mega-capitalists of the late 1800s and early 1900s (J.P. Morgan, Rockefellers, That German banker family) gave Lenin and Trotsky $10 million in gold to seize power in Russia. Inf fact, the Rockefellers oil fields (Standard Oil) in Russia were never nationalized!
Now having control of the U.S. and a fake Superpower, they then implemented tax-free foundations, to protect their massive wealth, and the income tax, to prevent any others from obtaining massive amounts of wealth.
So they proceed to milk and rape us for a century or so. Little things like us giving millions in "non-lethal aid" (fucking truck tires!) to the U.S.S.R. DURING the Vietnam war! These supplies were then brought into northern Vietnam and used against our own troops. It is plainly obvious to anyone with a brain that we have propped Russia up for the past 40 years, all the while claiming to fear them. They's still starve without us.
The fucking Russians still sweep the streets with brooms made of sticks. Can't operate complex machinery like Pasteurization machines. Yet, they developed atomic weapons in parallel with us? Only by our providing the blueprints and technologies.
Bilderburger Group? Wake up, you dumb fucking Slashdotters. Some of you have mad skills, and you're chowned like the rest of us. 39% tax bracket? 50% tax on corporations? Uttery fucking owned by the state. Ayn Rand was right, most of you are mindless drones.
American tobacco contains ionizing radiation. Mandated by law! The fertilizers are radioactive by-products. Look it up, polonium-190? Even imported tobacco is from the U.S. (Drum, Samson). Lead in cigarettes? Why?
Keep feeding the parasitical Freemason, Rockefeller world government, run by the moron son of a megaspook. I'll keep smoking dope, coding, and playing music. You can keep the funny money.
Let them move to Open Source. Then wipe them the fuck out.
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I am tired of reactionary bullshit! The FBI is required, by law, to investigate this. It falls under the same category as teachers being REQUIRED to report any suspicions of child abuse to authorities, etc. So get off the FBI's back, at least about trying to get enough information to make a well considered opinion.
That said: I am still tired of reactionary bullshit! Talking about stuffing kitties into non-existant jars, and selling them for profit is LEGAL. Not only that, but it does not hurt anyone. I am sick and tired of hearing this same old slippery slope argument: "If someone writes down, performs, sings, or says something that suggests doing something bad, then they must be punished, because other people might actually DO that something bad." Does this remind anyone of anything? Say the slippery slope argument used to start, and subsequently lose the Vietnam Police Action? People, we live in a free country (at least it says so in all the textbooks) not a comfortable one.
To be free, you must be able to express yourself, and must be exposed to other people expressing themselves. Even, no especially, if their ideas are uncomfortable to you. That's the basis of freedom. It's a joke, you might not think it's funny, but others do, and if some sick fuck actually thinks it's funny enough to try themselves, then they, and only they, should be punished. ACTION can be punished, not words. You cannot persecute heresy anymore, it doesn't work with multiple ideals.
hmmmm?
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I laughed, it's a joke, my damn cats get their heads in the smallest of glasses. BTW, if they really are locking cats in jars then they should be punished. But I think that most people aren't that dumb. From the amount of effort put into the site, I would imagine this is all a silly spoof, they some one took a little too far
http://monkeyserver.com --- weeeeee
But when does "satire" become nothing more than a cheap shot? Making fun of cat lovers is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's easy to make fun of cats and cat shows and breeders and little old ladies who lavish lace and goodies on their adorable little "bon-bons", and spend more on caskets for their deceased pets than some countries spend on royal funerals. Is this nothing more than someone's way to make fun of people they don't like, to make a quick buck, grab their 15 minutes of fame and be declaired a hero for spreading cow dung on religious icons in front of everybody?
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Snopes had a page on this not too long ago, and I'be been watching it ever since... There are a goodly number of groups that are trying to fight this. All of them are fucking ridiculous, but what can you do.
If you want a place to troll the fuck out of, I highly suggest This message board, a group devoted to the love of kitties, and how bonzaikitten.com is evil, how would they like to be stuffed in jars, etc...
It's fucking ridiculous. It's exactly what was said in Farenheit 451... Society got to the point where we couldn't offend anyone, the Irish, Jewish, Cat-lovers, Dog-lovers, etc, etc... Until finally, we had to censor everything, and everything had to turn to tapioca bullshit just to make everyone happy.
Fuck that. This site is fucking hilarious, and needs to stay.
When encryption is outlawed, ?o'AZ-,++o+i++##4AoA+-/-C++bI+/.+~
The freedom of speech has almost nothing to do here - it is eclipsed by the extent of the wrong being done. If this site's content is the truth, they should be shut down. I looked at the pic from the link off slashdot: While your average 20-something MALE tech geak might be able to handle looking at something like that, there are alot of people on the net who that might cause extreme emotional discomfort. People who torture animals in this manner are evil and sick - period. While the right to express yourself is paramount, it doesnt mean you should run out and think of every way you can to shock people. Marilyn Manson is a prime example of a retard who seems to follow this idea. And it is far worse to stuff kittens in jars - 'duh - hello!?!? Quite frankly, I think you have to be one cold son of a bitch not to agree.. Our govenment spends alot more money, on alot stupid'er stuff than this: Shut the sick f**kers down.
-- NeTMoNGeR
Next time put [SPOILER] in the subject line so that people can make an informed decision on whether or not to read the post in question...
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Do you seriously not see a difference. The FBI as a publicly run body must kneel to the limitations that we, the people, set for them. Yet we the people do not have to limit ourselves to anything exept the rule of man. We give the FBI certain powers but those powers must be constantly policed in order to prevent corruption; corruption of power is intolerable. Since the corruption of man is equivilant to social evolution it is not held to the same restrictions; any attempt to limit social evolution can lead to revolution. These arguments are therefore not contradictions.
Great insight. Makes perfect sense.
Shakespeare, W., 1594, Romeo and Juliet, Act II, Scene II
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What on Earth does it tell us about human nature that we don't know already? We already know that pain and disfigurement (e.g. Tom & Jerry) often amuses people. We already know that when most people find something funny, some people will not. These people are, perhaps unfairly, criticised for having a poor sense of humour. We already know that many people are stupid, including some of the humourless.
Do you have any evidence that it's 'the ones who deny acknowledging their dark nature' who are more likely to commit acts of cruelty, or are you just automatically regurgitating pop psychology?
Ask me if I've been required to disclose any crypto keys.
When someone believes that the person who's making a profit has thereby violated some third party's human rights by virtue of keeping the profits for capital formation instead of donating them to Some Worthy Cause, that someone is only for those human rights they agree with (and if you don't see that agenda in much of the anti-corporate agenda, have your eyes checked). Kind of like the Religious Right in the mirror.
Real respect for rights is exclusively about respecting the right of others to do things you don't like. (And real education includes learning about mathematics, chemistry, physics, economics and all that "hard stuff" which is obviously a foreign language to so many leftists. They'd prefer to label it "bourgeois" or "not part of their way of knowing" and ignore it.)
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Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
There are reasons FBI agents are called "Feebs." This is one of them.
This reminds me of the pathetic SS (Schutzstaffel) harassment of Steve Jackson Games: Dumb people with power.
"Power tends to corrupt. Stupidity tends to speed the process."
-toddhisattva
A mathematician named Klein
Said "The Moebius strip is divine!
And if you glue
The edges of two
You'll get a weird bottle like mine."
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Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Did you check out the link in the Wired article to the Humane Society?
here
here
and here
now which one should be banned?
A blog about stuff.
Allanach said she's not sure if the site is a parody -- and even if it isn't, it should be taken offline because it could encourage people to experiment on their own household pets.
So it she thinks that it being a parody is worse than it being real?
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(And real education includes learning about mathematics, chemistry, physics, economics and all that "hard stuff" which is obviously a foreign language to so many leftists. They'd prefer to label it "bourgeois" or "not part of their way of knowing" and ignore it.)
Yes, all leftists are stupid and lazy. Way to make an argument. Just because we don't fall for the bull that money is the only thing that matters in life.
I don't have anything against profits and neither do most leftists, what we object to is profits before anything else. Such as Nike transferring it's manufacturing to Far-Eastern sweatshops, or McDonnell-Douglas selling arms to the Chinese that are then used in the oppression of it's people.
Anyway leftists are much more respectful of people's rights to behave. You don't hear left-wing politicians denouncing homosexuals for example. I, for one, couldn't care less what anyone else does, so long as they don't hurt or otherwise abuse someone else.
I wish Americans would stop associating the left wing with totalitarian communism. It's just as ludicrous as comparing George W Bush with Hitler.
I very strongly suspect that the reason we get more outraged over torture of [domestic] animals (and children) than we do the torture and deaths of adults is that domestic animals and children are completely dependent on grown adults for their livlihood. Adults can remove themselves from risky situations (to some extent); if you live in a bad neighborhood, you can move, or you don't go out at night, or you install extra locks on your doors. Adults at least have the option of trying to lower the probability that they get doused in gasoline and thrown off a bridge -- adults can carry a gun or learn aikido or travel in protective groups.
But if a pet finds itself in an environment where its only source of food and companionship is malicious, it can't do anything about it.
It's not just the torture that is horrifying: it's the torture of the weak and the helpless. Rape is terrible; rape of your grandmother lying in the nursing home is even worse.
Highest incarceration rates in the world
Highest police firearm incidents rates in the world
Most repressive forfieture laws in the world, where guilt isnt even needed
& such a reliance on uncorrobarated paid snitches & plea-bargin snowballs that the whole justice system is tainted.
Police even get bonuses based on forfeitures.
trolling new sites just for the sake of trolling ... has been taken too far in recent days... for an example of this, go to lovetestclub.com and look at what a few geekizoid readers managed to cause... most of the damage has since been removed by the site's admin, but if you read some of the more innocent looking threads, you'll notice some very inciteful responses. Thus, I warn you that trolling a random message board just for the sake of trolling a message board is probably something that you should reconsider.
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Jered Floyd, a recent MIT graduate, says animal rights activists -- who have successfully pressured hosting services to ban bonsaikitten.com until rotten.com offered it server space -- don't have a sense of humor.
"The First Amendment protects all speech, no matter how offensive some people may find it," Floyd says. "The site is clearly a humorous endeavor. The fact that a number of people seem to have very little sense of humor isn't relevant."
This is of course not true. Certain forms of speech (or expression) are NOT protected, such as incitement to riot, slander, libel, yelling "FIRE!!" in a crowded theater (I'm not even sure if that's okay if there really *is* a fire, you're still supposed to try to get everyone out calmly, I think), and death threats via the mail. All of these (and a few more) have been determined by the various courts over the years to not be protected speech.
That said, bonsaikitten.com is clearly satire, and is (and should remain) protected speech.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
... they could always call it "Petter of Kitties" if they want it to sound cute and lovable...
Do you like German cars?
You can have some fun with these:
rburn@quad.com
MoldysMula@aol.com
lrp@lirponics.com
jm@fpwa.com
screed_2001@yahoo.com
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- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
Because vegetarians are all trying to undermine society by putting the meat trade out of business, therefore having an anti-corporate agenda. Remember that the left-wing are all communists and you know that communists censor everything, not like that nice Mr Hitler. The rabid anti-left sentiment of some people amazes me, as if believing in human rights over profits was something to be ashamed of.
And you are mistaken about the whining that is going on. The ones who are trying to shut down a LEGAL website are the ones that are the true whiners...
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...I can't think of a better example myself. It's almost amusing and at the same time sad to see how people feel that jokes like this are somehow real and/or enourage others to commit acts of cruelty
If you're sick enough to put cats in a bottle, then I seriously doubt you were of sound mind and judgement before you saw this web site. If you actually believed this was real, then you're gulliable. People, come on, lighten up.
It's almost ironic how pictures of people being beaten, tortured, brutally killed, and dead on autopsy tables can be readily found on the Internet, but put a fake picture of a kitty on a bottle up and you've got hell. This is a very clear indication of the backward priorities and lack of critical thought our society possesses.
Trolls make great pets. Adopt one today!
Yes, www.kleinbottle.com does in fact sell pseudo-lkeins, or 3D representations of klein bottles. A coworker recently purchased one and it's sitting on his desk.
see a picture of the bottle on his desk.
Deconstructionism and Political Correctness are both leftist inventions. There are legions of tales of students in universities who are afraid to contradict the PC party line in their classes because of the harassment they'd experience. That's oppression.
Did I mention the number of apparently-serious leftist rants which display complete ignorance of little matters like the Second Law of Thermodynamics? The number of English and Poli Sci majors out there who think that you can get something for nothing by agitating the legislature or running a plebiscite is amazing.
(Add grammar to that list of deficiencies... the possessive pronoun "its" has no apostrophe.) What's wrong with moving work to plants in El Salvador or Vietnam? Don't people with brown skins and slanted eyes have a right to take a job making stuff for North American consumers? If they had anything better, you'd expect they'd take it; saying that Nike or whoever is doing them wrong when there are so many eager takers is equivalent to telling those people that they should starve while someone in the USA (who has much better prospects and almost certainly will not go hungry regardless) should do unskilled work.Ditto this thing about MacDac etc. If the French are willing to sell oppressive crap to the Chinese, we might as well undercut them. Why let them profit from undermining the pressure that trade sanctions can put on human-rights violators?
Are they now? Isn't it lefist students on various campuses who persistently violate the free-speech rights of people with whom they disagree, by heckling their speakers out of auditoria and destroying print runs of their newspapers? I'm not talking about protests against people's actions, I'm talking about trying to keep them from having their views heard. That's respect? Or is it some PC re-definition, where it's contempt if it's done to you, but respect if you do it to others?That's what I keep hearing about the political left. I have no sympathy for it or any of its adherents until they give their views and actions the same level of criticism they aim at others.
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Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Hollywood, Television, has become the dream machine. We need to take that back; each of us is a Dream Machine
You called me stupid and lazy which is nothing more than an insult. You then proceed to take issue with a typo as if it proves your point. You then imply that I'm a racist, even though leftist politics are totally against this. People in the Far East have a right to work in the safe conditions with the same employment rights as those enjoyed by Western factory workers. This is not what they get.
As for arms sales to China, 'someone else will do it if we don't' is the usual justification for something unjustifiable. The Chinese is one of the most repressive around and yet instead of trying to change this through subtle application of economic pressure, it's a free-for-all and to hell with the Tibetans and those who were massacred in Tiananamen Square (and if that's spelled wrong so what). To paraphrase your earlier argument, don't people with brown skins and slanty eyes have a right not to be brutally murdered with western-made weapons.
Finally, I've seen many more leftists harassed for expressing their views than rightists. I've seen racist thugs attack a peaceful demonstration against racism which is a bit nastier than mere heckling.
I have total contempt for the political right who think that if you're poor, sick, disabled or otherwise disadvantaged then tough luck.
PC has not gone too far. When I was at school 15 years ago racist abuse was the norm. Now anyone who makes a racist comment is immediately slapped down because it's totally unacceptable and quite right too. This isn't extremism, it's common decency. I don't see what the second law of thermodynamics has to do with politics at all, it's merely physics and would exist whether the human race did or not.
Maybe we should put up a similar website BonsaiSpook.com with FBI agents crammed into jars =:-)
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What I see is you and thousands of others crying that what those poor folks in Vietnam and El Salvador have isn't good enough for you, even though it's better than anything they had before. There's no recognition of the fact that you have to start somewhere, and that perfection is impossible but progress is always achievable. The insistence on perfection is indistinguishable in practice from demanding that nothing be done.
I own and wear a "Democracy for China" T-shirt, that I bought with my own money. So there. (I also own and wear a button which says "The Second Amendment isn't about hunting. It's about Tienanmen Square." Chew on that for a while.) But I don't see the point in letting a French or Belgian company profit from their governments' refusal to join a sanctions regime against human-rights abusers. If they are going to undercut the viability of sanctions as a tool to advance human rights, they shouldn't have the field to themselves. That's just rewarding them for their lack of morals. I'm all for sanctions, and everyone in the Western democracies joining them. I'm also for cutting the legs out from under those who prevent this from happening. And have you ever seen them given official immunity for blatant acts of vandalism? I refer you to this page about the University of Pennsylvania, which includes this thumbnail sketch of the incident in question: Right-wing demagogues and vandals get prosecuted, left-wing demagogues and vandals get plaudits. Where's the balance? From the same page on U-Penn: If that isn't too far for you, you've got a serious problem with your eyesight, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. Take a look at this commentary for the POV of an avowed leftist who taught in Nicaragua under the Sandidistas; he happens to agree with me on the pernicious nature of Political Correctness, deconstructionism and the notion of social construction.--
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Power corrupts
Study hard
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Also, why is it that the website operators have to exercise responsibility and the web surfers don't? If the protestors had exercised personal responsiblity then we would have never heard of bonasikitten.com.
If the protestors had frowned and move on, then how many web surfers would have heard of and visited this website? A few thousand? Getting it noticed by Wired and Slashdot only increased bonsaikitten.com's profile, which means that lots more people got to see what the animal rights fools were trying to supress in the first place...
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Geez. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out that this is friggin' parody. Listed in their available containers is a Chinese Rocket "Urn". Aside from the obvious difficulty of obtaining these shells (especially for sale like this), where would you get a cat big enough to fill that? You'd have to use a Tiger or something!
http://www.bonsaitiger.com/
lol i typo'd. 'crpa' should be 'crap'. :P
;)
now if only slashdot would implement a 'typo filter', the whole site would be more readable.
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Blessed is he who expects the worst, for he shall not be disappointed.
As the owner of four ferel cats. I am not offended by the site I think it is pretty funny actually. The problem is you have a bunch of old bitties out there that do nothing but live to rescue and work and live with cats. Anybody who does anything slightly offensive to a cat goes on their shit list. Unfortunatly there are a lot of these cat people out there with no lives and nothing better to do then to complain to the government about how they were offended by this individual(s) web site. And these squeky wheels will get greased. Their message boards complain about how this site is becoming famous dispite their efforts. Well duh it was your efforts to report it the government and anybody who would listen to you. All I can say is thanks for spreading the word. I thought is was so funny that I sent the link to user friendly and weird earl.
The government will now spend your tax dollars and something completly frivolous. Keep it up you idiots, I like my cats but I don't recognize their exsistance as the be all to end all in the universe. Besides I have a shocker for you cat extremists, I also have a dog. That's right dogs and cats living together......mass hysteria. Now go clean your litter box.
How could this have been avoided altogether while still excercising free speech? With a frickin' discalimer©
Don't be absurd. You could have a web site genuinely devoted to animal cruelty with a disclaimer to ward off law suits just as easily as you can have a web site that is a joke but doesn't have a disclaimer. If there actually was a case against them based on their content then the existence of a disclaimer should be totally irrelevant.
If the fact that it is obviously a joke isn't enough then there's no way that some paragraph saying "we didn't mean it, honest" is going to help.
Once again, this seems to raise the age-old issue of morales vs. freedom of speech.
In this case, the Federal Government(FBI) is attempting to push the morales of the "Common man"(tm). By making a satire site a federal crime, they're attempting to successfully criminalize freedom of speech on the 'Net.
In my not-so-humble opinion, this results directly from the always-present push by the majority to make everyone conform to various community morales, be they religious, spiritual or just plain "We hate people who would even think of hurting kittens!".
I sincerely hope that the FBI does not prosecute, and if so, I sincerely hope that the court finds the owners of bonsaikittens.com wholly innocent. To do anything but is to set a dangerous precedent -- that our rights are rights only as long as they don't offend anyone and aren't strange.
i'm real interested about the law against depictions of cruelty to animals that is mentioned in the associated article. sounds like a pretty massive first amendment violation.
sort of ironic there's nothing similar against depictions of violence against humans; the same argument should work for a law for that as well (even fake depictions of violence against humans would encourage others to perform such violence, etc).
--grue
Coming soon. Cat juggling!
They change the name of Carnivore the same time that MS changes the name of Whistler. :)
Coincidence? I think NOT!
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I say they should go for it.. sue 'em till it hurts ;)
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0x or or snor perron?!
I've owned my share of pets, but only on rare occasions have I tried to force one or more of them into Klein Bottles. Is this really a concern, people who can't differentiate between satire and reality will be able to use the internet to 'prune' kittens into exotic shapes? Appearently the Humane Society has offcially run out of problems, and the FBI crimes. I think we may be able to declare Utopia, and go home. Slightly more seriously, does anyone get tired of seeing these IQ tests in action? I don't. And those gamblin' folks out there might want to start a pool on which of the people in this article will be the first to make the Darwin Awards.
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
With that said... I believe Voltaire's dictum applies here:
"I may disagree with you, but I will defend unto the death your right to say it!"
Of course... another dictum by Voltaire, not quoted so much is:
"Common sense isn't very common."
And that's the part that worries me.
-LineNoize
Time flies like an arrow but fruit flies like a bananna.
From what I could tell, the pictures didn't need to be altered. At the very most, when a kitten was already in the jar, they could have pushed it from the other end and taken the picture at the same time. That is still a little dicomforting but is really nowhere near animal cruelty.
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Pretty simple really. Technical, logical solution to a political problem.
Official GOD FAQ.
Of course, this assumes that there is no actual cruelty occuring. If that is not the case, then an appropriate punishment for those responsible would involve a locked room and several hungry tigers.
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
For the past 4 or 5 years, I've been making (and selling) 3-dimensional immersions of Klein Bottles. Many mathematicians own them; they assure me that a Klein Bottle can indeed be immersed (but not embedded) in 3-D.
I thank slashdot readers for their support of my micro-business. I won't get rich as a zero-volume bottle maker, but I'm having plenty of fun.
I'd love to see bansaifbiinvestigator started. That would really up the irony.
Given a reasonably level playing field, who would win a fight between a bear and a shark?
"With the existing plain old telephone system, the FBI can only tap a few lines at a time. With Carnivore, they can tap everybody's emails all the time, which is unconstitutional/generally bad."
One of the arguments I see on slashdot for napster runs along the lines:
"Bloody RIAA. They can't keep the genie in the bottle. New technology allows people to get there hands on loadsa music."
Now come on people, you can't have it both ways... Is it ok for everybody to exploit new technology as they see fit? FBI included. Or perhaps at least one of these knee-jerk reactions isn't sensible?
not_cub
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This is so so SO stupid. The really sad part is what happens in the year 2037, when the last of the tree-torturing 'real' bonsai practitioners are rounded up in an FBI sting. (Is 'an' correct in this case, 'an eff-bee-eye sting' or should it be 'a F(ederal)B(ureau of)I(nvestigation) sting'?)
All kings is mostly rapscallions. -Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
These guys trolled the FBI! I came across the Bonsai Kitten site a while ago, and just by reading the text, I was able too see that this site was a joke. The massive amounts of hate mail this site gets (which was also funneled to a mailing for site fans to read) is just indicative of how many stupid and/or gullible people there are surfing the Web. But for the FBI to take this site seriously, that is just an embarrassment.
This is not a Fugazi
This way to the egress > The Linux Pimp
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You're right. You can rename something but it's still what it is.
I could call a pile of shit a bed of roses, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a pile of shit.
we are building a religion
a limited edition
we are now accepting callers
for these pendant key chains
To paraphrase - a pile of shit by any other name still stinks. Simply changing the name does not make this 'Big Brother' spyware any more acceptiable to me.
zenray
Disguised Carnivore System
Ie, I'm not going to let them get away with that name change.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Is that the Government is trying to to control to much of our life in the United States and that is exactly why this country was founded because of a Government who was trying to control thier people in an unfair way. Most people do not care that our rights are getting trambled on because they are more worried about seeing thier next car payment to worry about these things.
I don't know why Americans fear exotic forms of art. Don't be so xenophobic! I have a set trapeziodal prism and cubic kittens, so they can't roll off my desk and get hurt. I was going to get a conical and a half shpere kitty set, but I was afraid they would roll under the couch and get lost.
As the creator of a 3d modeler I enjoy the geometeric beauty of my perfectly cubic and trapeziodal kitties. They great for travelers as well, since they fit perfectly in carry-on boxes and they're even stackable! The kids enjoy them more than legos...
People thought J. Dalhmer's posts about eating people to usenet were a joke too. Whoops.
Would it really have hurt them to put a "this is a parody" disclaimer at the bottom of the site?
I first saw the site when www.memepool.com linked to it a while back. I wasn't sure if it was a parody or not, and I'm pretty jaded. I guess it all boils down to responsibility.
If I had a "how to kill your neighbours" site and posted (faked) pictures, do you think I should get investigated? Maybe a we should consider people reporting crimes to 911 as just 'pranks' to?
Were do you draw the line?
Ted
All those roadkill pictures at steakandcheese have got to go. Quick, somebody get me the number for the FBI! That flattened squirrel is a clear sign of drivers' disregard for animals, and the perpetrators must be prosecuted at once. We don't take Interstate Trafficking of Dead Animal Pictures lightly 'round these parts.
Shaun
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
Also another problem with these kinds of sites is that even if this content was not intended to be real, there are always idiots in this world that will think it is real and really try it.
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
That would be a bit messy if you actually tried to fit a cat inside a klein bottle.
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Soma: because a gramme is better than a damn.
I knew it was going to be bad, and it was ...
To phrase the immortal words of Queen Victoria:
"We are not amused"
If its not a parody I hope he end up in jail and that they yank his website down.
I do believe in freedom, but thats not expression in freedom, but an expression in cruelty.
Still even if its a parody I do not find it humorous at all.
http://shat.net/bonsaifbi.jpg
Disclaimer: that poor sap is not an FBI agent (that I know of). I found him on that "Am I a total raving dork, or not? Why don't I put my ugly mug in front of thousands of people!" site, glass bottle courtesy essentialsupplies.com. There, now I can't be sued.
Shaun
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
They didn't even show her pissing on her commander.
Gator Bait is a better watch altogether.
Easy does it!
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Everyone oughtta know from ACME physics that a cat will assume the shape of its container... at least i grew up knowing this.
wurd.
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Er, since I'm addressing the humor-impaired, I should probably point out that http://www.kleinbottle.com is a joke as well.
MSK
Carnivorie has been renamed to the Dynamic Cat Snoop 1000!
Get a life people!
Will the last company to abandon Linux please turn off the lights??!
Salinger sights R. H. Blyth's definition of sentimentallity as "when we give to a thing more tenderness than God gives to it." Salinger's example is then given as "God undoubtedly loves kittens, but not, in all probability, with Technicolor booties on their paws."
(try not to get too caught up in the word God... this does not have to be a religious statement) Basicly all I'm trying to say with Salinger's words (because he does have the ability to be a lot more straight forward than myself) is that when it comes to kittens many people lose the ability to observe things rationally. But before you judge these people too hard think if you do the same thing yourself. Did Pay it Forward "move" you? Or did you believe that Traffic was a "powerful" movie?
If so then you have fallen for the same crime. Pay it Forward seemed to move you because it kills a child in the last 5 minutes which the audience responds to with sentiment. And Traffic associates itself with a very important argument but in itself does not have a strong plot, characters, or pasing but because we see strength in the argument we see strengths in the movie which simply aren't there. All I'm trying to point out is that we all show a lack of objectivity at times when it comes to sentiment but that doesn't mean we should be chastized for it. Ofcourse there are those who will over react to images of kittens so lets point out their error and move on. And maybe we can even learn from their mistakes.
Ofcourse if they try to defend themselves then we can flame them.
eudas
Blessed is he who expects the worst, for he shall not be disappointed.
I think Napster is good because it allows people to freely spread music. I think Carnivore is bad because it restricts my right to free speech and free assembly. It's essentially the same tool, but a totally different use, and therefore gets a different reaction.
This
MSK
Bonsai puppies?
I guess we'll have to see if we can fit carnivore into a mason jar...
if 'fruits de mer' = seafood
does 'fruits de merde' = mushrooms?
http://www.cruel.com/sub/bonsaikitten.zip
At only a few weeks of age, a kitten's bones have not yet hardened and become osseous. They are extremely soft and springy. In fact, if you take a week-old kitten and throw it to the floor, it will actually bounce! We do not recommend that you try this at home. The kitten may bounce under the furniture and be difficult to retrieve, as well as covered in unsightly household dust
I actually laughed out loud when I read this. I mean, come ON! How stupid do you have to be not to see this is a joke? Could it be any more deadpan?
And I don't for a second buy the argument that parody invites people to harm their pets. The REAL problem with pets these days are owners who don't take care of them properly, let them get hurt, breed indescriminately, and generally treat them as poorly as they treat their human pets, er.. children.
I found cat-drowing scenes in the movie Gummo to be truly disturbing, but I didn't for a SECOND think that the film should be banned and the producers brought to trial. How ridiculous!
The animal rights people can't develop a functioning sense of humour, they should at least be a little more tolerant.
The FBI needs to get a fucking grip.
We thieves, we liars, we vandals, and poets. Networked agents of Cthulhu Borealis.
I simply cannot believe that the FBI has subpoenaed this site.
/. laboratories, so we can all feel proud of ourselves. In my opinion, flames, trolls, bonsai kittens, and natalieportmanhotgritsdinnerplatesizedgoat pics are
But, to them, this may look a lot like that old 'Date Rape' site that gave tips and helpful hints on how to get your girl down (should be illiegal? ask your judge). Or perhaps they could put it in the same category as virtual kiddie porn (I think this should be illegal, but thats my opinion).
You know, 'we're not judges, we can't tell if its illegal or not, let's just appease the meowies of the world by doing what we do best: harrassing the crap out of people we don't like.'
People need to lighten up, and the FBI needs to stop supporting such tight-sphincter behavior. If I was the site owner, I wouldn't worry, but if this man is prosecuted for Anything, we all should protest.
On a side note, troll technology was developed right here in
"The Cost of Doing Business in a Free America"
but Carnivore and Echelon shouldn't be.
SDMI: Finally! Music that won't rip or burn! Brought to you by the fine folks at RIAA.
Heheh, reminds me a lot of Cat Scan, a site dedicated to stuffing your kitty into a flatbed and hitting the scan button.
There are some pretty hilarious pictures from the original contest that started it all (near the bottom of the page).
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
Kleinbottle.com isn't a joke. They do indeed deliver fine, hand-crafted 3D immersions of 4D Klein bottles. I'm happy to report that the non-orientability of the bottle is unaffected by the lack of a fourth dimension.
In the article it mentions that "It isn't because we were worried about negative privacy publicity. If it was, we would have changed (the name) months ago," Why change the name at all then if you aren't concerned? "Carnivore" will stick I bet, regardless of whatever it's renamed.
Don't call my crazy, that's what they called me back in the home!
YHBT, YHL, HAND.
"It's totally promoting animal cruelty," Allanach said. "They consider it a sick joke. People will take it seriously. Animal cruelty is not funny."
And how many of the same people watch TV shows where cops shoot at bad guys or people drive recklessly? It's not entertainment, people will take it seriously! Entertainment is wrong because someone, somewhere will take it seriously. Fun is a sickness, I say!
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So©©© here's the tricky part©©© Is bonsaikitten©com a parody? Yeah© Most of us tech-head-humor people see that immediately©
Does everyone see that? Nope© There's a good lot of reasonable people out there that are convinced that the internet is the publishing house all things evil and unholy© They're very skeptical and cautious of things that aren't right being published on the web© Animal Cruelty is one of those things©©©
Can you blame them for caution? No©
Can you blame them for ignorance? Probably© At least a little© But there's alot of people out there who are ignorant of alot of different things© It's pretty excussable©
What's the FBI doing in this case? Investigating© They're not shutting the site down with no grounds, they're investigating© People don't believe that bonsaikittens©com is a joke, and you are not going to be able to convince them that© The only people that probably can are an authority of some sort© In this case the FBI©
How could this have been avoided altogether while still excercising free speech? With a frickin' discalimer© If you want to say or depict something inflammatory, but untrue, it is your responsibility to disclaim that falseness© It doesn't mean putting a big tag at the top of every page saying "This is fake©"© A nice little discalimer in an 'about' page or something would do fine© People who become upset with what you have to say can at least verify that it isn't true©
Don't you remember that old civics class lesson about how rights come with responsibility? Then quit whining and take responsibility for deluding people©
-Andrew
I just told my cat (Markus Clawdius Aurelius Nero) that I was going to put him in a jar and turn him into a pretzel. He was so disgusted with the idea that he rolled over so I could scratch his tummy.
I'm so disgusted with the site that I can't seem to stop giggling, and saying "Yuuck!" (Nuttin' like a little Stephen King style "going for the gross-out" to liven up one's evening, sez I.)
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I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
The FBI will be going after People Eating Tasty Animals next, even though that site was raped by Network Solutions years ago, and hasn't had an update since 1996.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I'm gonna have to take this one with a huge friggen grain of salt.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
DCS1000, not to be confused with the Kodak DCS 660 Digital Camera