As ARM grows, both Intel and ARM will start invading each others territories.
And ARM collects what, $.10 or $1 license fee per chip while Intel is addicted to multibillion dollar income or it will get lynched by its shareholders. Read the writing on the wall.
screen is too small, which means that the keyboard is too small
Dual or quad core 10" ARM tablet with bluetooth keyboard and mouse is a really sweet hardware setup, I use it on a daily basis, e.g., for vidcon etc. We just need to fix Android to be more like a standard window manager and it will be ideal.
The only reason my ultraportable laptop has an Intel Celeron U3600 in it (1.2GHz dual core arrandale, 18W TDP) instead of an ARM is because I couldn't find a laptop in the same class with an ARM chip.
Reality is: Linux is your only hope for that, wearing its Android suit just for the time being.
I would hardly call 80 stream processors in Bobcat a huge leap in graphics. Call me when they pack 300 or more stream processors on die. The latest video cards have over 2000 stream processors.
I'm seeing 75 million triangles/second on 6450 with 160 stream processors, fixed function pipeline (i.e., haven't tried VBOs yet). Half that is still way decent. And they are pretty triangles. Note: Fusion has a way more efficient bus to the CPU than a discrete card over PCI.
Atom was running at a TDP of half the TDP of your Bobcat, and it was doing it 5 years ago.
I'm having a lot of trouble with your post. My Intel stuff runs hot and noisy, my AMD stuff runs cool and quiet, that's a fact. Where is the disconnect?
AMD still needs to shave the idle power by a factor of 5 to get into tablets and 10 to get into smartphones. I think they can do it, but Bobcat is not the chip for that market.
This is where the baggage of supporting the rambling, creaky x86 architecture really shows up. AMD should seriously consider offering Fusion with ARM cores. Some rumours flew around not too long ago to that effect.
Sorry, I forgot that "play" means "play games" for some people. If it's worth it to you, just stay there in Windows hell and play your games, the rest of us can have a life;)
There is no computer that you simply take out of the box and "it just works".//Thanks for coming out.
Wow, interesting claim because it directly conflicts with my recent experience buying a quietized LInux box from people who actually bothered to turn it on and make sure everything works. Basically never fiddled with it at all. Also never fiddled with it when plugging in new wifi devices, video cards, disks.... just plug in and turn on.
Sorry if you don't get that seamless experience on Apple, maybe it's because Apple just doesn't get the lovin from 10,000's of skilled geeks who actually care about more than their next quarterly calibration.
And they have been saying that for 10 years. But for the last 5 or 6, Apple has been growing faster than the market.
That was before Steve Jobs died, and Tim Cook is no Steve jobs. You can just forget the flow of compelling new products, from now on it will be "quadruple the screen pixels and put in a heavier battery" and like that.
Oh, and that was before *free and open* Linux/Android entered the picture. But hang on to your Apple stock if you feel you must, somebody has to.
I haven't used Linux as a desktop platform. In fact, I've done it the other way around. I've ran LAMP under Hyper-V (cheaper than paying VMware). Which desktop Linux destro provides native backup to disk support along with BMR functionality? Of the ones that do, will it backup a running VM via shadowcopy like Time Machine does on a Mac?
If you care that deeply about backup, replication, snapshots etc, just screw up your courage and buy VMware and run it on Linux, it's cheap and i's the real thing. Your proposal has the unfortunate drawback of leaving you stuck in hell.
Hey guys, there is no longer any need to put up with this. Just wipe Windows, put in Linux, reinstall Windows to a VM under Linux, and go play. You will get your life back. Take your pick of at least three great open source VM solutions for free or pay a modest amount for classic VMware, an amazing product that is one of the handful of proprietary binaries I allow on my system.
But from where I'm looking, the top Android devices cost the consumer as much as the iPhone.
Therefore you're fooling yourself if you think Android manufacturers are losing money per device. Some are, some aren't, it depends mostly on how efficient the engineering organization is. So if I were Tim Cook, I wouldn't get too smug about the bottom line fortunes of my competitors. Some might exit, yes, but that leaves dozens in for the long haul.
Remember that Dilbert cartoon about the stupid people who wanted to make Dilbert and Dogbert die of thirst by drinking all the water out of their garden hose? It's like that. As long as the slightest bit of air space exists in the Android market, somebody will step in to fill it, because the cost of entry is so low.
Now if I had shorted Apple when they first dropped into number two position in the smartphone market, I already would have made a bunch of money. as of today See, Apple's margins are in clear and present danger, and where Apple's margins go, so goes Apple's stock price. But that effect is masked by the ongoing takeover of the feature phone market by smart phones, including Apple and Android. So Apple might show a few more quarters of growth before that margin issue really begins to bite, so I'm not sure Apple is a good short right now, today. Tempting though. In the long run, Apple's growth prospects are just not looking good to the smart money, which is entirely obvious from the P/E.
Unfortunately for your aggressively stated theory, the net has a memory. see here. In November 2004, Seamonkey was already clearly taking market share from IE. And 16% of the market at that time can in no way be construed as "pretty much a failure".
By successfully suing Moto for using Microsoft's patented Exchange API, they've recommitted to a course of prevention of interopability in a core Office product some had claimed was behind them.
Interesting. Didn't the EU already fine Microsoft $billions over that very thing?
Where is all of the market share getting Android manufacturers? Most are losing money.
So you're hoping that they will all give up and go away, and leave Apple in peace to go about its business of separating hipsters from their grocery money? Somehow I don't think so.
"I love my MacBook Pro; but I fear that in another generation or two I'm going to have to give them up because I don't like where Apple is taking their OS."
Yes, exactly! And when I seem them making the same kind of mistakes -- exactly the mistakes that drove me to OS X instead of Windows in the first place -- I have to wonder what the hell they're thinking. If they keep it up, everybody who is anybody will be on Linux.
Funny you should mention that because it is already well under way, Android is really Linux.
Apple is the odd man out in that arrangement. The bulk of their products come from apple addicts who funnel a substantial portion of their digital recreational dollars through them...
Actually, it would seem the addicts are funneling their grocery money through Apple too. A crack dealer should have it so good.
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As ARM grows, both Intel and ARM will start invading each others territories.
And ARM collects what, $.10 or $1 license fee per chip while Intel is addicted to multibillion dollar income or it will get lynched by its shareholders. Read the writing on the wall.
Oh sorry, I just compared the key spacing to a full size keyboard and it's the same, just more compact layout of fn keys and no numeric pad.
I go at full speed on my 90% bluetooth keyboard, that's 80-90 words/second, just slightly slower than talking.
screen is too small, which means that the keyboard is too small
Dual or quad core 10" ARM tablet with bluetooth keyboard and mouse is a really sweet hardware setup, I use it on a daily basis, e.g., for vidcon etc. We just need to fix Android to be more like a standard window manager and it will be ideal.
My take on it is, Windows 8 for ARM is the new WINCE.
The only reason my ultraportable laptop has an Intel Celeron U3600 in it (1.2GHz dual core arrandale, 18W TDP) instead of an ARM is because I couldn't find a laptop in the same class with an ARM chip.
Reality is: Linux is your only hope for that, wearing its Android suit just for the time being.
I would hardly call 80 stream processors in Bobcat a huge leap in graphics. Call me when they pack 300 or more stream processors on die. The latest video cards have over 2000 stream processors.
I'm seeing 75 million triangles/second on 6450 with 160 stream processors, fixed function pipeline (i.e., haven't tried VBOs yet). Half that is still way decent. And they are pretty triangles. Note: Fusion has a way more efficient bus to the CPU than a discrete card over PCI.
Atom was running at a TDP of half the TDP of your Bobcat, and it was doing it 5 years ago.
I'm having a lot of trouble with your post. My Intel stuff runs hot and noisy, my AMD stuff runs cool and quiet, that's a fact. Where is the disconnect?
AMD still needs to shave the idle power by a factor of 5 to get into tablets and 10 to get into smartphones. I think they can do it, but Bobcat is not the chip for that market.
This is where the baggage of supporting the rambling, creaky x86 architecture really shows up. AMD should seriously consider offering Fusion with ARM cores. Some rumours flew around not too long ago to that effect.
you aren't getting those A15s in large quantities until next year when Intel will have the next iteration of Atom ready anyway
Atom is an overheading underpowered piece of junk. I hate my atom notebook, I love my dual ARM Xoom.
Sorry, I forgot that "play" means "play games" for some people. If it's worth it to you, just stay there in Windows hell and play your games, the rest of us can have a life ;)
inablility to successfully install the drivers for my video card / inability to get GPU Switcheroo working
That issue has largely gone away with recent xorg drivers for Intel, AMD and nVidia.
There is no computer that you simply take out of the box and "it just works". //Thanks for coming out.
Wow, interesting claim because it directly conflicts with my recent experience buying a quietized LInux box from people who actually bothered to turn it on and make sure everything works. Basically never fiddled with it at all. Also never fiddled with it when plugging in new wifi devices, video cards, disks.... just plug in and turn on.
Sorry if you don't get that seamless experience on Apple, maybe it's because Apple just doesn't get the lovin from 10,000's of skilled geeks who actually care about more than their next quarterly calibration.
And they have been saying that for 10 years. But for the last 5 or 6, Apple has been growing faster than the market.
That was before Steve Jobs died, and Tim Cook is no Steve jobs. You can just forget the flow of compelling new products, from now on it will be "quadruple the screen pixels and put in a heavier battery" and like that.
Oh, and that was before *free and open* Linux/Android entered the picture. But hang on to your Apple stock if you feel you must, somebody has to.
I haven't used Linux as a desktop platform. In fact, I've done it the other way around. I've ran LAMP under Hyper-V (cheaper than paying VMware). Which desktop Linux destro provides native backup to disk support along with BMR functionality? Of the ones that do, will it backup a running VM via shadowcopy like Time Machine does on a Mac?
If you care that deeply about backup, replication, snapshots etc, just screw up your courage and buy VMware and run it on Linux, it's cheap and i's the real thing. Your proposal has the unfortunate drawback of leaving you stuck in hell.
How can I play Crysis 2 or Diablo 3 in a VM?
If you're playing Cyrsis 2 or Diablo 3 you don't have a life, so don't worry about it.
...speaking as a longtime gamer.
Hey guys, there is no longer any need to put up with this. Just wipe Windows, put in Linux, reinstall Windows to a VM under Linux, and go play. You will get your life back. Take your pick of at least three great open source VM solutions for free or pay a modest amount for classic VMware, an amazing product that is one of the handful of proprietary binaries I allow on my system.
How are Apple's Mac margins compared to every other PC manufacturer.
In danger, just like Apple's handset margins. You don't have to believe me, just sit back with a bowl of popcorn and watch the train wreck.
But from where I'm looking, the top Android devices cost the consumer as much as the iPhone.
Therefore you're fooling yourself if you think Android manufacturers are losing money per device. Some are, some aren't, it depends mostly on how efficient the engineering organization is. So if I were Tim Cook, I wouldn't get too smug about the bottom line fortunes of my competitors. Some might exit, yes, but that leaves dozens in for the long haul.
Remember that Dilbert cartoon about the stupid people who wanted to make Dilbert and Dogbert die of thirst by drinking all the water out of their garden hose? It's like that. As long as the slightest bit of air space exists in the Android market, somebody will step in to fill it, because the cost of entry is so low.
Now if I had shorted Apple when they first dropped into number two position in the smartphone market, I already would have made a bunch of money. as of today See, Apple's margins are in clear and present danger, and where Apple's margins go, so goes Apple's stock price. But that effect is masked by the ongoing takeover of the feature phone market by smart phones, including Apple and Android. So Apple might show a few more quarters of growth before that margin issue really begins to bite, so I'm not sure Apple is a good short right now, today. Tempting though. In the long run, Apple's growth prospects are just not looking good to the smart money, which is entirely obvious from the P/E.
Unfortunately for your aggressively stated theory, the net has a memory. see here. In November 2004, Seamonkey was already clearly taking market share from IE. And 16% of the market at that time can in no way be construed as "pretty much a failure".
By successfully suing Moto for using Microsoft's patented Exchange API, they've recommitted to a course of prevention of interopability in a core Office product some had claimed was behind them.
Interesting. Didn't the EU already fine Microsoft $billions over that very thing?
Where is all of the market share getting Android manufacturers? Most are losing money.
So you're hoping that they will all give up and go away, and leave Apple in peace to go about its business of separating hipsters from their grocery money? Somehow I don't think so.
One day Apple will start selling iOS devices in the Macbook or iMac form factor.
Absolutely, I agree with you. And guess what they will be up against? Right. Android in the PC form factor.
"I love my MacBook Pro; but I fear that in another generation or two I'm going to have to give them up because I don't like where Apple is taking their OS."
Yes, exactly! And when I seem them making the same kind of mistakes -- exactly the mistakes that drove me to OS X instead of Windows in the first place -- I have to wonder what the hell they're thinking. If they keep it up, everybody who is anybody will be on Linux.
Funny you should mention that because it is already well under way, Android is really Linux.
Apple is the odd man out in that arrangement. The bulk of their products come from apple addicts who funnel a substantial portion of their digital recreational dollars through them...
Actually, it would seem the addicts are funneling their grocery money through Apple too. A crack dealer should have it so good.