t is. However I wonder how much of OSS uptake is due to the poor state a lot of world economies are in because of the World Bank?
Possibly, but more likely it is due to the fact that when a government spends money on Microsoft software the money goes to Microsoft which does nothing to stimulate the local economy. Even if it costs them twice as much to switch to free software they still come out ahead in the end because the money spent can be spent paying people who are far more likely than Microsoft to buy other Brazillian products and services.
By stimulating people to write software for free, the government doesn't have to worry about creating jobs that require monetary payment. Whoever came up with this plan is a fucking genius!!!!
Contrary to poplular opinion, it costs money to create, distribute, and train people to use free software. The obvious benefit for Brazilians is that the money earned from writing it stays in Brazil rather than fattening the already bulging coffers of a certain U.S. monopoly.
I think it's pretty clear what they are saying: they aren't going to give Microsoft any more money, and they intend to be using an open source before the issue comes up.
If that's the case, good for them. Just because the U.S. is trapped under the thumbs of the likes of Microsoft and SCO doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to be.
Its interesting that it says "not renewing" in regards to the MS office licenses.. does that mean that until they decide to go with open source alternatives (or not), that they will be illegally using the software? Or maybe they will continue using MS products, and just not renew licenses, etc..
Just not renew licenses which, suprisingly enough, is even still legal in the U.S. despite all of the efforts to the contrary.
And I hope the game makers pay attention and go back to making decent graphical adventure and strategy games instead of all the first person shooting multi-million player online role playing stuff that is hogging the shelves nowadays that only reenforces the stereotypes that boys just want to go around shooting their wads at anything that moves.
No, there isn't a clear point where a child becomes an adult, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Children under eighteen are considered immature and not responsible in other areas, such as drivers licenses and voting. Why shouldn't they be treated in that way when they've commited a crime too? Or do you want kids driving SUVs and voting in important elections?
There are lines drawn when it comes to responsibility and privileges.In many states minors aged 16 or possibly even less can drive. Criminal responsibility varies too, but generally it follows common law which considers children under 7 presumptively unresponsible, 7 to 14 possible unresponsible, and 14 and over presumptively responsible for their actions.
It's not the same thing. I know that you americans like electrochuting children and mentally retarded, but here, were we are somewhat less inspired by western movies, we have this weird idea that those people can't be held accountable for their actions.
I'm as much or more against the death penalty as anyone else. But as far as responsibility for ones actions there is no magic spell that occurs at midnight on the last day of your sevententh year that enables you to suddenly determine wrong from right. You, and the vast majority of others know that murder is wrong long before you enter adolescense.
You can argue about how DeCSS doesn't copy anything, but you all know it, DeCSS is used for ripping dvd's to vcd's and divx. We can keep living in la la land and pretend that DeCSS is perfectly ledgitimate, but it really isn't.
Obviously the use of crowbars and screwdrivers should be made illegal also since they too can be used to access content illegally.
Maybe if those Mach 3 razors weren't so FUCKING expensive, they wouldn't be such high risk theft items. Fucking gouging motherfuckers! I HATE 'em! Unfortunately, I am "locked in", as my Mach 3 handle only fits Mach 3 blades.
If you get a chance try to catch some of the Saturday Night Live reruns from the seventies. They did a parody of the "new" double edged blade commercials that featured a triple edged model and touted how the third blade would cut the hairs that the second blade had failed to cut the ones the first blade missed. The punchline of course was "because you'll believe anything".
I meant it is ridiculous to think of everything as information under such a pretense. Yes, if some technology becomes available, I wouldn't feel it necessary to restrict it, but consider that in reality it would shatter the existing market economy.
I know where you are coming from and for some reason Farmer's "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" and grail slaves comes to mind.
The difference is that you create a computer program. Consider that, in 20 years, society develops a machine that can (somehow) duplicate exactly any physical object, using merely a small amount of air, water, and dirt. Does that mean that all physical objects are information, and thus freely available to everyone? Perhaps they should be, but at the moment, that sounds ridiculous.
Ridiculous? It only sounds logical. Surely you wouldn't restrict the use of such a device by silly laws just to make money that would be useless since you could make anything you needed anyway.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Debian is a bit more religious in supporting free software only, while Gentoo is more about people coming together to help each other build things that work. Other than that, the users of both distros have a lot in common.
Why I'm replying to an obvious flame, I don't know. But the compiling is perfect for all us "fake" users who like to test and/or develop new software which makes Gentoo the right choice for some of us "old" folks who still think computers are fun.
And if you start over from scratch, just trying to rephrase each loop and structure, thats infringing, just like if I copied an encyclopedia entry, but rewrote each line.
Structures are always going to similar. There are only so many ways to organize the data needed to operated on, and there are only going to be so many ways to work on the structure. The same goes for entries in an encyclopedia as there are only so many ways to present facts. For example:
From thecanadianencyclopedia.com:
"A planet is a nonluminous body that revolves in an orbit about a star..."
From encyclopedia.com
"a large nonluminous ball of rock or gas that orbits a star..."
Logic is just taking facts and arriving at a conclusion. Though programming is an art, it is also a science based on logic. It is only natural that to reach a similar conclusions programmers are going to use similar logic.
Someone would have to start from scratch, and replicate functionality in the current code. How would they get that knowledge without just copuying the logic in the current code. That is the issue.
Are you sure you're not confusing copyrights and patents? The "logic" is the "idea", there is no infringement in reimplementing it. Are you sure you're not confusing copyrights and patents?
You wont really be able to replace their code, because if you rewrite it, that would still be plagarism. You would have to use a blackbox technique. However, almost everyone qualified to write that code would have been exposed to the SCO code, and therefore cannot be considered to be a blackbox author.
That's like saying that a person who writes a story about aliens attacking the earth after reading "The War of the Worlds" is plagarising H.G. Wells. Copyrights don't protect ideas, just how the ideas are expressed.
Absolutely! That's why you should be pushing for everyone to move to open source so that software pirates will be just a part of history like Teach himself and you won't have to worry about anyone stealing your work anymore.
Thanks for the very informative post. Since the code was released as open source by Caldera and SGI who claims copyright is a Unix licensee anyway it wouldn't really seem to be an issue, but still probably best that they removed it anyway.
Now that a code snippet has been shown is it possible to tell by comparing different Linux versions who put it there? If SCO is right, and somebody stole code from their System V Unix, then that person deserves a good kick.
That person would be the SCO employee who "borrowed" the code from BSD.
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I'm be interested to see how Microsoft react to this. E.g. Counter offers, as per the City of Munich decision to go with Linux desktops: Munich
The only effective counter offer that Microsoft could offer is a guarantee that 100% of the revenues it receives in Brazil are spent in Brazil.
t is. However I wonder how much of OSS uptake is due to the poor state a lot of world economies are in because of the World Bank?
Possibly, but more likely it is due to the fact that when a government spends money on Microsoft software the money goes to Microsoft which does nothing to stimulate the local economy. Even if it costs them twice as much to switch to free software they still come out ahead in the end because the money spent can be spent paying people who are far more likely than Microsoft to buy other Brazillian products and services.
By stimulating people to write software for free, the government doesn't have to worry about creating jobs that require monetary payment. Whoever came up with this plan is a fucking genius!!!!
Contrary to poplular opinion, it costs money to create, distribute, and train people to use free software. The obvious benefit for Brazilians is that the money earned from writing it stays in Brazil rather than fattening the already bulging coffers of a certain U.S. monopoly.
I think it's pretty clear what they are saying: they aren't going to give Microsoft any more money, and they intend to be using an open source before the issue comes up.
If that's the case, good for them. Just because the U.S. is trapped under the thumbs of the likes of Microsoft and SCO doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to be.
Its interesting that it says "not renewing" in regards to the MS office licenses.. does that mean that until they decide to go with open source alternatives (or not), that they will be illegally using the software? Or maybe they will continue using MS products, and just not renew licenses, etc..
Just not renew licenses which, suprisingly enough, is even still legal in the U.S. despite all of the efforts to the contrary.
And I hope the game makers pay attention and go back to making decent graphical adventure and strategy games instead of all the first person shooting multi-million player online role playing stuff that is hogging the shelves nowadays that only reenforces the stereotypes that boys just want to go around shooting their wads at anything that moves.
It was called TurboVision. A user-maintained fork still exists and has been ported to various platforms and compilers including gcc and Linux.
Rhide, my favorite console IDE, uses TurboVision.
No, there isn't a clear point where a child becomes an adult, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Children under eighteen are considered immature and not responsible in other areas, such as drivers licenses and voting. Why shouldn't they be treated in that way when they've commited a crime too? Or do you want kids driving SUVs and voting in important elections?
There are lines drawn when it comes to responsibility and privileges.In many states minors aged 16 or possibly even less can drive. Criminal responsibility varies too, but generally it follows common law which considers children under 7 presumptively unresponsible, 7 to 14 possible unresponsible, and 14 and over presumptively responsible for their actions.
...that discusses getting preliminary injunctions against them, you can go here.
It's not the same thing. I know that you americans like electrochuting children and mentally retarded, but here, were we are somewhat less inspired by western movies, we have this weird idea that those people can't be held accountable for their actions.
I'm as much or more against the death penalty as anyone else. But as far as responsibility for ones actions there is no magic spell that occurs at midnight on the last day of your sevententh year that enables you to suddenly determine wrong from right. You, and the vast majority of others know that murder is wrong long before you enter adolescense.
You can argue about how DeCSS doesn't copy anything, but you all know it, DeCSS is used for ripping dvd's to vcd's and divx. We can keep living in la la land and pretend that DeCSS is perfectly ledgitimate, but it really isn't.
Obviously the use of crowbars and screwdrivers should be made illegal also since they too can be used to access content illegally.
Spam and virus e-mail may both be unsolicited, but beyond that they are not related at all.
Technically, you are right of course.
The motives are different, they propagate themselves differently, and the actual message sent is very, very different.
But, though the methods, motives, and messages may be different the effects are the same because both turn something useful into something useless.
Maybe if those Mach 3 razors weren't so FUCKING expensive, they wouldn't be such high risk theft items. Fucking gouging motherfuckers! I HATE 'em! Unfortunately, I am "locked in", as my Mach 3 handle only fits Mach 3 blades.
If you get a chance try to catch some of the Saturday Night Live reruns from the seventies. They did a parody of the "new" double edged blade commercials that featured a triple edged model and touted how the third blade would cut the hairs that the second blade had failed to cut the ones the first blade missed. The punchline of course was "because you'll believe anything".
I meant it is ridiculous to think of everything as information under such a pretense. Yes, if some technology becomes available, I wouldn't feel it necessary to restrict it, but consider that in reality it would shatter the existing market economy.
I know where you are coming from and for some reason Farmer's "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" and grail slaves comes to mind.
The difference is that you create a computer program. Consider that, in 20 years, society develops a machine that can (somehow) duplicate exactly any physical object, using merely a small amount of air, water, and dirt. Does that mean that all physical objects are information, and thus freely available to everyone? Perhaps they should be, but at the moment, that sounds ridiculous.
Ridiculous? It only sounds logical. Surely you wouldn't restrict the use of such a device by silly laws just to make money that would be useless since you could make anything you needed anyway.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Debian is a bit more religious in supporting free software only, while Gentoo is more about people coming together to help each other build things that work. Other than that, the users of both distros have a lot in common.
Why I'm replying to an obvious flame, I don't know. But the compiling is perfect for all us "fake" users who like to test and/or develop new software which makes Gentoo the right choice for some of us "old" folks who still think computers are fun.
And if you start over from scratch, just trying to rephrase each loop and structure, thats infringing, just like if I copied an encyclopedia entry, but rewrote each line.
Structures are always going to similar. There are only so many ways to organize the data needed to operated on, and there are only going to be so many ways to work on the structure. The same goes for entries in an encyclopedia as there are only so many ways to present facts. For example:
From thecanadianencyclopedia.com:
"A planet is a nonluminous body that revolves in an orbit about a star..."
From encyclopedia.com
"a large nonluminous ball of rock or gas that orbits a star..."
Logic is just taking facts and arriving at a conclusion. Though programming is an art, it is also a science based on logic. It is only natural that to reach a similar conclusions programmers are going to use similar logic.
Someone would have to start from scratch, and replicate functionality in the current code. How would they get that knowledge without just copuying the logic in the current code. That is the issue.
Are you sure you're not confusing copyrights and patents? The "logic" is the "idea", there is no infringement in reimplementing it. Are you sure you're not confusing copyrights and patents?
You wont really be able to replace their code, because if you rewrite it, that would still be plagarism. You would have to use a blackbox technique. However, almost everyone qualified to write that code would have been exposed to the SCO code, and therefore cannot be considered to be a blackbox author.
That's like saying that a person who writes a story about aliens attacking the earth after reading "The War of the Worlds" is plagarising H.G. Wells. Copyrights don't protect ideas, just how the ideas are expressed.
Maybe people should stop pirating software.
Absolutely! That's why you should be pushing for everyone to move to open source so that software pirates will be just a part of history like Teach himself and you won't have to worry about anyone stealing your work anymore.
Dang, I list that movie up there with "War of the Worlds" and bought both the video and DVD as soon as they were released.
Thanks for the very informative post. Since the code was released as open source by Caldera and SGI who claims copyright is a Unix licensee anyway it wouldn't really seem to be an issue, but still probably best that they removed it anyway.
No matter what you nerds say, as soon as a lawyer puts these screen shots up in front of a jury it's pretty much an open and closed case.
Yep, anyone can plainly see from those screenshots that SCO borrowed BSD code.
Now that a code snippet has been shown is it possible to tell by comparing different Linux versions who put it there? If SCO is right, and somebody stole code from their System V Unix, then that person deserves a good kick.
That person would be the SCO employee who "borrowed" the code from BSD.