Repeat after me: You DO NOT have a right to get paid for something just because you happen to enjoy doing it. That is not the way the world works, that is not the way the world has ever worked, and nor will it ever work that way
Perhaps not, but you DO have the RIGHT to TRY and earn a living doing something that you love. To use YOUR hotheaded example, if you absolutely want to turn nose-picking into a business...go right ahead..that is YOUR right. You may not succeed...but trying to is your right. You may not have the right to success (and I don't believe anyone SHOULD), but you have the right to try for it in any reasonable way.
Software freedom means being able to use software how you like, whether that means installing it where, how, and as many times as you want, as well as meaning being able to change the code itself to better suit your purpose
That's all well and good, but as a developper where is MY right to decide how and how much to profit from MY work, MY knowledge, MY creativity and MY time??? I should damn well be able to decide what I want to do with my software...if any users don't like my license, don't want to pay for it...then they shouldn't. The "user"'s right is to decide IF he wants to use the fruits of my labour, not HOW and how much. Essentially, I'm ultimately selling a product, if its not worth the price, don't buy it...period.
Problem is, do you really want to deal with a company that misleads customers either deliberately through shrewd unscrupulous marketting..or through stupidity? Some of us might be smart enough to know, but for the average joe this will only confuse him more. This stupid move saddens me a bit because I have an Athlon and I love it.
Of course, where can you go if you decided to not buy AMD? Intel? Puhleeeeezee...(I'm thinkin those stupid blue man group commercials)
Then even a small company could focus on making compatible, portable, software that runs better....WITHOUT fear of being blocked by proprietary standards.
Split or no split, public API or no...THIS is something that NEEDS to happen. No more proprietary file standards for Microsoft!
That's simple: It's free. I don't want to make a buck, I want to have fun
Also, writing free games in your spare time allows you to build up experience and a portfolio...should you want to do it seriously eventually.
Personally, I love that a lot of source code is available in Linux, which allows me to keep learning new things, increasing my skills. Especially when it comes to games because that is a lot different from business apps. Its nice to have examples to show you how its done.
The sad thing is that this type of behavior will eventually decrease the signal to noise ratio to the point that there will be so little useful information on some of these sites that people will stop using them.
What's even sadder is that there are people (translation: losers with no life) who think its COOL to actively DO this sort of thing...trolling, goatse posts etc. I keep wondering what's wrong with people to make them think this sort of thing is fun, cool (or should I say Kewl?) and 733t.
I don't know...but isn't this the same as the MPAA or the RIAA telling me how I can listen and use the DVDs or CDs I buy? I mean one of the things free software is about is choice...the freedom to choose and not be locked into one monopoly (at least that's what I hear the zealots scream about). Wouldn't that kind of restriction take away my right to choose what and HOW I want to run my software?
That's probably because the world is saturated by gratuitous T&A (not that I'm complaining mind you)and the new angle is the more subtle sex appeal. I mean, what would you prefer: 1) an unattractive geek who tries to sell you the latest machine, 2) a brainless bimbo in a bikini who tries to sell you the latest machine or 3) a hot, sexy woman, WITH brains, who IS a geek (or has geek knowledges and leanings) trying to sell you the latest machine?
I'm guessing most level-headed guys (ie: mature) would choose 3.
The theory of what you say makes sense. The only problem is the people who moderate (or just people in general). If moderation (slashdot style or otherwise) is the only way to filter out the noise and crap of the net, the problem IN PRACTICE is this: You are letting someone ELSE decide for you what is noise and what is not.
Therein lies the problem, do you really want someone else to decide what you should or should not see? Its unfortunate that the basest human nature combined with the lowest intellect generates so much noise (like the aforementionned goatsecx links or first post posts etc..), but I still don't want someone to decide for me what is or is NOT an important idea, or viewpoint...because the same part of human nature that creates this garbage also dictates that eventually, those who decide what and what should not be seen will use that power for their own ends...and NOT necessarily for your benefit.
Exactly right. Unfortunately, from what I read, a lot of people only pay lip service to the different OSS philosophies and the ideal "business models" suggested or tried by the linux world...underneath all they care about is getting everything for free. It IS sad, especially (it has been said before in this discussion) when you can just download and apply the updates yourself at no cost still.
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What do you expect would be on the end of the phone? Its not like you actually put the phone in your mouth (I hope).
I don't know, some people are seriously sick (kinda like the same mentality that keep posting the goatse pic) when they vandalize those phones (bodily fluids/excretions/vomit). I mean it can get pretty bad.
Listen to your cynical side, I mean this is a win/win situation for AOL. If they get what they want, they can cut the costs incured for each sub-poena they receive AND they already are receiving TONS of great press by the media because of this. I agree with what they are doing, but I wouldn't look too deep into their motivation for fear of being thoroughly underwhelmed.
Before that happened, I think they'd have to find a way to insert viruses in most media files (or can they do that already?) such as MP3 or MPEGs etc... since that's what most people look for. I mean knowing NOT to run an executable from a computer you don't know SHOULD be common sense no?
but did you ever consider that the big reason that Microsoft is a half trillion dollar company is precisely because of the actions that they are in trouble for?
That's true, BUT, here's the rub, even IF they get nailed and hard, they're STILL a HUGE company with gobs of money and power. Even if they get punished, even if they can't resort to their old ways...half a trillion is still a LOT of momentum to overcome before you can say microsoft is dead. I mean doesn't that much solvency practically guarantee that its going to stick around for a long time even if they are FORCED to play fair from now on?
Actually you aren't too far off. The place I work at, while the immediate bosses/environments are cool, the higher ups (ie: VPs, CEO) have this mentality of 'If the user doesn't see it or isn't immediately affected by it, it doesn't exist'.
The worst example was when we requested an admittedly hefty set of upgrades that would help the programmers and admins do their jobs much more efficiently and much faster, these upgrades were also requested to overcome certain looming limitations to the hardware we were working on. We were turned down specifically because 'there was no immediate noticable advantage to the user to justify the expense'. Frustrating.
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Perhaps not, but you DO have the RIGHT to TRY and earn a living doing something that you love. To use YOUR hotheaded example, if you absolutely want to turn nose-picking into a business...go right ahead..that is YOUR right. You may not succeed...but trying to is your right. You may not have the right to success (and I don't believe anyone SHOULD), but you have the right to try for it in any reasonable way.
That's all well and good, but as a developper where is MY right to decide how and how much to profit from MY work, MY knowledge, MY creativity and MY time??? I should damn well be able to decide what I want to do with my software...if any users don't like my license, don't want to pay for it...then they shouldn't. The "user"'s right is to decide IF he wants to use the fruits of my labour, not HOW and how much. Essentially, I'm ultimately selling a product, if its not worth the price, don't buy it...period.
I hear that they are asking offices and businesses to close in downtown Montreal.
If these people had even HALF of a functionning brain they wouldn't have tried something like this...
I despair that there are people out there who can think acts like these are a GOOD thing. This is just sick
Move back to Intel? For a marketing scheme?
Problem is, do you really want to deal with a company that misleads customers either deliberately through shrewd unscrupulous marketting..or through stupidity? Some of us might be smart enough to know, but for the average joe this will only confuse him more. This stupid move saddens me a bit because I have an Athlon and I love it.
Of course, where can you go if you decided to not buy AMD? Intel? Puhleeeeezee...(I'm thinkin those stupid blue man group commercials)
*Sigh*
Mod this up!
This would be totally amazing.
Then even a small company could focus on making compatible, portable, software that runs better....WITHOUT fear of being blocked by proprietary standards.
Split or no split, public API or no...THIS is something that NEEDS to happen. No more proprietary file standards for Microsoft!
Isn't that part of human nature?
Its not a crime if you don't get caught
Which seems is all anyone really believes these days
That's simple: It's free. I don't want to make a buck, I want to have fun
Also, writing free games in your spare time allows you to build up experience and a portfolio...should you want to do it seriously eventually.
Personally, I love that a lot of source code is available in Linux, which allows me to keep learning new things, increasing my skills. Especially when it comes to games because that is a lot different from business apps. Its nice to have examples to show you how its done.
See what I mean?
What a rush there was for someone to prove me right
Loser....
The sad thing is that this type of behavior will eventually decrease the signal to noise ratio to the point that there will be so little useful information on some of these sites that people will stop using them.
What's even sadder is that there are people (translation: losers with no life) who think its COOL to actively DO this sort of thing...trolling, goatse posts etc. I keep wondering what's wrong with people to make them think this sort of thing is fun, cool (or should I say Kewl?) and 733t.Isn't that like saying I get free castor oil every meal for the rest of my life?
"...the bully claims victory"
There's also an added bonus: The victory in court also sets a precedent which I suppose is another big stick to bully more companies
I don't know...but isn't this the same as the MPAA or the RIAA telling me how I can listen and use the DVDs or CDs I buy? I mean one of the things free software is about is choice...the freedom to choose and not be locked into one monopoly (at least that's what I hear the zealots scream about). Wouldn't that kind of restriction take away my right to choose what and HOW I want to run my software?
That's probably because the world is saturated by gratuitous T&A (not that I'm complaining mind you)and the new angle is the more subtle sex appeal. I mean, what would you prefer: 1) an unattractive geek who tries to sell you the latest machine, 2) a brainless bimbo in a bikini who tries to sell you the latest machine or 3) a hot, sexy woman, WITH brains, who IS a geek (or has geek knowledges and leanings) trying to sell you the latest machine?
I'm guessing most level-headed guys (ie: mature) would choose 3.
Just a note of respect for the passing of my favorite author. He will be missed.
To paraphrase slightly:
The more you tighten your grip, Bill, the more systems will slip through your fingersThe theory of what you say makes sense. The only problem is the people who moderate (or just people in general). If moderation (slashdot style or otherwise) is the only way to filter out the noise and crap of the net, the problem IN PRACTICE is this: You are letting someone ELSE decide for you what is noise and what is not.
Therein lies the problem, do you really want someone else to decide what you should or should not see? Its unfortunate that the basest human nature combined with the lowest intellect generates so much noise (like the aforementionned goatsecx links or first post posts etc..), but I still don't want someone to decide for me what is or is NOT an important idea, or viewpoint...because the same part of human nature that creates this garbage also dictates that eventually, those who decide what and what should not be seen will use that power for their own ends...and NOT necessarily for your benefit.
Didn't they have around 65000 new bug..hummm I mean "features"?
Exactly right. Unfortunately, from what I read, a lot of people only pay lip service to the different OSS philosophies and the ideal "business models" suggested or tried by the linux world...underneath all they care about is getting everything for free. It IS sad, especially (it has been said before in this discussion) when you can just download and apply the updates yourself at no cost still.
What do you expect would be on the end of the phone? Its not like you actually put the phone in your mouth (I hope).
I don't know, some people are seriously sick (kinda like the same mentality that keep posting the goatse pic) when they vandalize those phones (bodily fluids/excretions/vomit). I mean it can get pretty bad.
Listen to your cynical side, I mean this is a win/win situation for AOL. If they get what they want, they can cut the costs incured for each sub-poena they receive AND they already are receiving TONS of great press by the media because of this. I agree with what they are doing, but I wouldn't look too deep into their motivation for fear of being thoroughly underwhelmed.
Before that happened, I think they'd have to find a way to insert viruses in most media files (or can they do that already?) such as MP3 or MPEGs etc... since that's what most people look for. I mean knowing NOT to run an executable from a computer you don't know SHOULD be common sense no?
2001-03-21 15:30:01 - that's my guess....I took a shot
but did you ever consider that the big reason that Microsoft is a half trillion dollar company is precisely because of the actions that they are in trouble for?
That's true, BUT, here's the rub, even IF they get nailed and hard, they're STILL a HUGE company with gobs of money and power. Even if they get punished, even if they can't resort to their old ways...half a trillion is still a LOT of momentum to overcome before you can say microsoft is dead. I mean doesn't that much solvency practically guarantee that its going to stick around for a long time even if they are FORCED to play fair from now on?
Actually you aren't too far off. The place I work at, while the immediate bosses/environments are cool, the higher ups (ie: VPs, CEO) have this mentality of 'If the user doesn't see it or isn't immediately affected by it, it doesn't exist'.
The worst example was when we requested an admittedly hefty set of upgrades that would help the programmers and admins do their jobs much more efficiently and much faster, these upgrades were also requested to overcome certain looming limitations to the hardware we were working on. We were turned down specifically because 'there was no immediate noticable advantage to the user to justify the expense'. Frustrating.