Self-interest is never wrong, especially if it results in a more stable order than ethnic egalitarianism.
Strongly disagree, this is a perfect recipe for runaway tyranny. Stability without benevolence is a negative, and stability in general certainly is less important than many factors in a society including ethnic egalitarianism IMO. For example: North Korea is very, very stable - what is good about that stability? It also has a very self-interested dictator acting in his own self-interest. The ungoverned regions of Somalia have a lot of self-interested people each acting in their own self-interest. There's nothing inherently good about acting in one's own self-interest.
I'd say racism is wrong by the standard of maximizing median happiness in a society and avoiding negative extremes in the range of society members' happiness. You may be able to construct some wild hypothetical scenarios where this might not be the case, but it is certainly the case in any existing society.
The jobs "Americans won't do" are illegal labor - they pay well below minimum wage and often have non-OSHA-compliant working conditions. The employers don't get reported because the employees don't have citizenship. If anyone rats, they all go down. Fix just one problem on the employers' side (make it illegal and very expensive to hire an undocumented immigrant) and you'll deincentivize illegal immigration and create more jobs that locals might settle for (at least paying minimum wage for an OSHA-compliant job). BUT WAIT, Republicans would never let that happen because the current arrangement is so profitable for them. Better to play whack-a-mole with individual immigrants forever! That'll keep the base riled up!
In other words, playing a really good game of musical chairs for the ever-decreasing number of seats at the table in the laissez-faire economy...that's incredibly difficult, requires some luck to make that hard work pay off, and isn't sustainable. Not to mention that each generation will accrue more and more psychological damage from the beatings and crappy childhoods.
Preference for ones own ethnic group or using knowledge of differences between ethnic groups for any practical purpose is absoltutely wrong (which is why we've called it racism and largely rejected it since the mid-20th century - it's completely unfair to individuals) regardless of how natural or scientific it may be.
Let's not forget that human nature is savage and terrible, and that guiding our society by science alone would create a utilitarian dystopia.
Maybe, that's because work at Amazon is not actually bad, huh?
And yet there's an overwhelming torrent of complaints backed up by undercover investigations? Are they all fake? How deep does this rabbit hole go?
Yes, and for all those years your kind were spreading these accusations against Walmart. Not so much any more, for some reason — now Amazon is the main target. Speak of "funny"...
Nothing funny about it, it's because Amazon warehouses are even worse than working at Walmart. But it is another weird example of a worse job alternative arising rather than a better one...
Caught lying about what happened, basically a non-incident.
Alex Jones
On top of posting overtly racist content, he orchestrated harassment campaigns against the relatives of mass shooting victims. Would any conservatives like to argue that this should be allowed?
Candice Owens
Had to look up who this was. Her account was briefly locked due to a large number of reported violations, and then Twitter aplogized. OH THE HUMANITY!
So again, the supposed persecution of conservatives on social media is some combination of Nazis hiding unopposed under the "conservative" banner, and inflamed conservative persecution complexes leaping at shadows.
Google has not banned Gab from their search results. I can find no news of this and can turn up the Gab homepage and various user feeds from Google searches.
You can reach the Gab web interface from any phone. Android phones can sideload a Gab client, and you could install one on a jailbroken iPhone. The iOS walled garden is a problem with Apple, not Twitter.
No. The closest thing to a legal alternative is to find another employer — one who'd be happy to retain the services if the hard-working and dedicated employee, treated so unfairly and harshly by Amazon.
Why, they can pay you the same and win you over just by treating you better!
Funny how that doesn't really happen though - new, better jobs don't magically spring into being to take in refugees from shitty jobs at the bottom of the employment pyramid. Instead all the employers settle on paying minimum wage or close to it, and treating workers about as awfully as they can legally get away with! Isn't that weird? So weird.
Amazon warehouses have been in operation for years now. Maybe you can help these workers by hanging out at one during lunch break and handing out printed contact info for these freely-available better jobs to the workers as they sprint past.
Happiness is the essence of working at an Amazon warehouse. Everywhere I look, I see smiling faces and cheerful conversation. Lovely work environment overall, great people all around. Please consider an Amazon warehouse for your next job!
If so, then rather than universally complaining about how demanding and shitty the jobs are, people who have worked there would probably just keep relatively quiet about their cushy jobs, like the workers at "defense" contractors.
Whether those people are happy or unhappy working there, the only things that might legitimately concern those of us without AMZN-stock, is: "are they there voluntarily?"
The answer is "Sort of...they don't have any inherited or accumulated wealth, so they need jobs to survive. The closest thing to a legal alternative is to squat on land in the woods and hope they don't get caught, like the Unabomber."
None of this is any of our business.
Until you can no longer legally quit your job for some reason, your not leaving is proof, the job-conditions are Ok.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Sure thing.
JUST KIDDING! We have freedom of speech and association! BWAHAHAHA you can't stop us from helping our fellow humans! XD
What's made conspiracy theories and Alex Jones in particular "a real threat" recently is their widespread harassment of the families of mass shooting victims, driven by the relatively recent rise of false flag conspiracy theories around mass shootings (the shooting was a false flag, therefore the families of the fake people who didn't die are "crisis actors," therefore let's harass the shit out of them until they admit their ties to the Illuminati!).
Alex Jones in particular has driven many targeted harassment campaigns against these family members.
Oh I can't imagine why Russia might want to disrupt the operations of institutions that are critical of both Trump and Putin...nothing to see here, move along!
I wonder how many minorities in the US had the cops called on them while doing everyday things, received undue police attention for walking or driving while black, were shot by cops while running away, or were hate-crimed by white supremacist asshats while you wrote that. It's a shame you'll never be at risk of experiencing any of this.
Just to recap, Alex Jones is the racism-spreading ~6ft tall pile of dogshit who constantly incites the harassment of mass shooting victims' families, and helped inspire one idiot to shoot an assault rifle in a pizza restaurant and another to block the Hoover dam with an armored truck.
Antifa holds the radical belief that actual Nazis are so awful that they deserve a punching (causing dead American soldiers to roll in their graves!) and their death toll so far remains at 0.
And Wil Wheaton is a writer and actor with moderate liberal views.
Indeed, it's interesting how comfortable the mainstream right is now with bringing various hate-speech-spewing open ultra-racists under their "Conservative" banner. Remember the good ol' days when they would avoid being seen together in public?
(Not counting the libertarian wing, which has always been a convenient refuge on the political mainland for corporatocrats and various ultra-racists)
Are you for real? Your whole philosophy is bucket-crab.. Nobody gets too much higher than anyone else because of feelz and privilege.
You seriously have to be delusional.. My philosophy is the exact fucking opposite of bucket-crab. Under capitalism you get to climb out of the bucket. You and millions of others. The rich get richer and the poor get richer too.
In theory, yes, in practice, LOLno. You're keeping everyone in the bucket for the purpose of maintaining access to some imaginary way out of the bucket. The numbers don't lie, economic mobility is way, way down, and only the world's very richest and very poorest are benefiting. For those of us who are doing worse than driving a Tesla but doing better than farming dirt in the 3rd world for a dollar a day, things have only been getting worse since the '80s, and we're just supposed to keep sacrificing ourselves for those other 2 groups. So try again. Maybe try the "hidden value in technology" theory, at least that has some intent to mesh with the economic numbers.
It's funny... you leftie assholes claim to want to help the less fortunate, but it's those on the right who are the most generous and give the most to charity... I have no doubt in my mind that you do want to help the poor, but the problem I have with you is that you don't want to do it with your own money. You want to do it with everyone else's. You are a fucking hypocrite and you have a superiority complex. You have decided what is right for everyone else.
Right-wingers donate more because they have the luxury of having more to donate. I may not have thousands to give away to assuage the guilt I don't have, but I know I give up way more of my time to helping the poor. More time than right-wingers spent making the money they gave away. I'm not a hypocrite, I put my effort where my mouth is. Unfortunately that doesn't show up on donation stats. On that note, what if it's just an accountability problem? If more leftists were giving away collectively greater amounts of money in small cash donations than giant tax-deducted right-winger donations, we'd never know.
Furthermore, you assholes have actually decided that two grown adults of sound mind can't come to an agreement to exchange labor for wages if that agreement is below what YOU have decided is reasonable. You declare that that grown man is incompetent to decide for himself if he's willing to accept a job that pays $0.10 less that what YOU have decided he should be paid.
Us assholes do that because if we don't, you'll pay adults like kids, allowing a person to work full-time for less than they can support themselves on, in effect allowing sub-livable-wage workers to be a conduit for a grand unaccountable corporate welfare system, for no reason other than the enrich the 1% (and I suppose those dollar-a-day dirt farmers). Nordic countries have figured this out and have prospered massively because of it. They have more automation and less poverty at the same time.
California, the 8th largest economy on the planet... Run by Democrats for nearly a half century, has the lowest quality of life of all 50 states... Why?
ght-wingers In short, because the criteria used to create this ranking were nonsensical choices. That's basically the only way to generate such a BS-meter-redlining list that says that quality of life in Missouri, Alabama and Nebraska are better than in California, with North-freaking-Dakota at #1. It looks at 3 very specific areas of life, only 2 of which could be related to quality of life at all: natural environment (meaning environmental cleanliness/health), social environment (meaning social engagement) and voter participation(!?). This last factor alone is probably a major reason why infamous rural misery-pits full of bitter far-right-wingers look so good on the list - I'd expect that voter apathy would be greater in places with better quality of life, although looking at inter
Man that's A LOT of survivorship bias (and C-words, are you Australian?). You really believe that nobody has worked as hard and smart as you and failed to make it. Or that people have worked a lot less than you and made a lot of dumb mistakes, and made far more. But keep chalking it up to jealousy and communism, keep thinking there's no such thing as privilege, keep pulling the other crabs back into the bucket just as your wealthy overlords want you to...
Bullshit... If you took the CEO pay for the top 500 companies on Earth and compared it next to the amount of wages those companies pay out, it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans. Microsoft (as an example) employees 131,000 people.. What do you suppose those wages total up to? Apple - 121,000 employees.. Tesla, 37,000+ employees... I could go on and on..
Here you make the mistake of thinking that the damage doesn't exceed the CEO's pay. It does...massively. The money those CEOs are locking up could've been reinvested into workers or equipment where it would've produced even more value. Could've been spent by everyday people where it would've gone straight back into the economy and meaningfully improved people's lives, far more than anyone making $70K+ can even understand. The money the CEOs take home is just the tip of the iceberg of the damage they're causing.
The threat of stone-age living is a common strawman employed by climate denialists and climate policy obstructionists. The idea is that stone-age living would be less carbon-intensive than modern living, therefore it could be a solution to climate change, therefore it's what imaginary environmentalists are proposing.
Of course the actual solutions to climate change involve greater technology and greater access to the products of energy use through better efficiency.
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No evidence? Then what do you call this?
http://news.berkeley.edu/2013/...
Self-interest is never wrong, especially if it results in a more stable order than ethnic egalitarianism.
Strongly disagree, this is a perfect recipe for runaway tyranny. Stability without benevolence is a negative, and stability in general certainly is less important than many factors in a society including ethnic egalitarianism IMO. For example: North Korea is very, very stable - what is good about that stability? It also has a very self-interested dictator acting in his own self-interest. The ungoverned regions of Somalia have a lot of self-interested people each acting in their own self-interest. There's nothing inherently good about acting in one's own self-interest.
I'd say racism is wrong by the standard of maximizing median happiness in a society and avoiding negative extremes in the range of society members' happiness. You may be able to construct some wild hypothetical scenarios where this might not be the case, but it is certainly the case in any existing society.
I'd say it's an overwhelming number. The examples are not few.
The jobs "Americans won't do" are illegal labor - they pay well below minimum wage and often have non-OSHA-compliant working conditions. The employers don't get reported because the employees don't have citizenship. If anyone rats, they all go down. Fix just one problem on the employers' side (make it illegal and very expensive to hire an undocumented immigrant) and you'll deincentivize illegal immigration and create more jobs that locals might settle for (at least paying minimum wage for an OSHA-compliant job). BUT WAIT, Republicans would never let that happen because the current arrangement is so profitable for them. Better to play whack-a-mole with individual immigrants forever! That'll keep the base riled up!
In other words, playing a really good game of musical chairs for the ever-decreasing number of seats at the table in the laissez-faire economy...that's incredibly difficult, requires some luck to make that hard work pay off, and isn't sustainable. Not to mention that each generation will accrue more and more psychological damage from the beatings and crappy childhoods.
Natural? Yes. Scientific? Possibly. Wrong? Absolutely.
Preference for ones own ethnic group or using knowledge of differences between ethnic groups for any practical purpose is absoltutely wrong (which is why we've called it racism and largely rejected it since the mid-20th century - it's completely unfair to individuals) regardless of how natural or scientific it may be.
Let's not forget that human nature is savage and terrible, and that guiding our society by science alone would create a utilitarian dystopia.
Maybe, that's because work at Amazon is not actually bad, huh?
And yet there's an overwhelming torrent of complaints backed up by undercover investigations? Are they all fake? How deep does this rabbit hole go?
Yes, and for all those years your kind were spreading these accusations against Walmart. Not so much any more, for some reason — now Amazon is the main target. Speak of "funny"...
Nothing funny about it, it's because Amazon warehouses are even worse than working at Walmart. But it is another weird example of a worse job alternative arising rather than a better one...
Diamond and Silk
Caught lying about what happened, basically a non-incident.
Alex Jones
On top of posting overtly racist content, he orchestrated harassment campaigns against the relatives of mass shooting victims. Would any conservatives like to argue that this should be allowed?
Candice Owens
Had to look up who this was. Her account was briefly locked due to a large number of reported violations, and then Twitter aplogized. OH THE HUMANITY!
So again, the supposed persecution of conservatives on social media is some combination of Nazis hiding unopposed under the "conservative" banner, and inflamed conservative persecution complexes leaping at shadows.
Google has not banned Gab from their search results. I can find no news of this and can turn up the Gab homepage and various user feeds from Google searches.
You can reach the Gab web interface from any phone. Android phones can sideload a Gab client, and you could install one on a jailbroken iPhone. The iOS walled garden is a problem with Apple, not Twitter.
This. Upset that you can't post overt racism on Twitter? Hop onto Gab and quityerbitchin.
Compare to the ratio of complaint to praise in other industries...usually when practically (if perhaps not literally?) everyone who has worked at a job says the job sucks, and undercover investigations by journalists confirm that the job sucks, we believe them.
No. The closest thing to a legal alternative is to find another employer — one who'd be happy to retain the services if the hard-working and dedicated employee, treated so unfairly and harshly by Amazon.
Why, they can pay you the same and win you over just by treating you better!
Funny how that doesn't really happen though - new, better jobs don't magically spring into being to take in refugees from shitty jobs at the bottom of the employment pyramid. Instead all the employers settle on paying minimum wage or close to it, and treating workers about as awfully as they can legally get away with! Isn't that weird? So weird.
Amazon warehouses have been in operation for years now. Maybe you can help these workers by hanging out at one during lunch break and handing out printed contact info for these freely-available better jobs to the workers as they sprint past.
Happiness is the essence of working at an Amazon warehouse.
Everywhere I look, I see smiling faces and cheerful conversation.
Lovely work environment overall, great people all around.
Please consider an Amazon warehouse for your next job!
If so, then rather than universally complaining about how demanding and shitty the jobs are, people who have worked there would probably just keep relatively quiet about their cushy jobs, like the workers at "defense" contractors.
Whether those people are happy or unhappy working there, the only things that might legitimately concern those of us without AMZN-stock, is: "are they there voluntarily?"
The answer is "Sort of...they don't have any inherited or accumulated wealth, so they need jobs to survive. The closest thing to a legal alternative is to squat on land in the woods and hope they don't get caught, like the Unabomber."
None of this is any of our business.
Until you can no longer legally quit your job for some reason, your not leaving is proof, the job-conditions are Ok.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Sure thing.
JUST KIDDING! We have freedom of speech and association! BWAHAHAHA you can't stop us from helping our fellow humans! XD
Don't think so, I'd definitely remember hearing about a battery with a higher operating temperature than an internal combustion engine!
What's made conspiracy theories and Alex Jones in particular "a real threat" recently is their widespread harassment of the families of mass shooting victims, driven by the relatively recent rise of false flag conspiracy theories around mass shootings (the shooting was a false flag, therefore the families of the fake people who didn't die are "crisis actors," therefore let's harass the shit out of them until they admit their ties to the Illuminati!).
Alex Jones in particular has driven many targeted harassment campaigns against these family members.
Oh I can't imagine why Russia might want to disrupt the operations of institutions that are critical of both Trump and Putin...nothing to see here, move along!
I wonder how many minorities in the US had the cops called on them while doing everyday things, received undue police attention for walking or driving while black, were shot by cops while running away, or were hate-crimed by white supremacist asshats while you wrote that. It's a shame you'll never be at risk of experiencing any of this.
Anyone who still has anything to fear from racism in America cares. They may not have the power on the electoral college, but they care.
Just to recap, Alex Jones is the racism-spreading ~6ft tall pile of dogshit who constantly incites the harassment of mass shooting victims' families, and helped inspire one idiot to shoot an assault rifle in a pizza restaurant and another to block the Hoover dam with an armored truck.
Antifa holds the radical belief that actual Nazis are so awful that they deserve a punching (causing dead American soldiers to roll in their graves!) and their death toll so far remains at 0.
And Wil Wheaton is a writer and actor with moderate liberal views.
Indeed, it's interesting how comfortable the mainstream right is now with bringing various hate-speech-spewing open ultra-racists under their "Conservative" banner. Remember the good ol' days when they would avoid being seen together in public?
(Not counting the libertarian wing, which has always been a convenient refuge on the political mainland for corporatocrats and various ultra-racists)
Are you for real? Your whole philosophy is bucket-crab.. Nobody gets too much higher than anyone else because of feelz and privilege.
You seriously have to be delusional.. My philosophy is the exact fucking opposite of bucket-crab. Under capitalism you get to climb out of the bucket. You and millions of others. The rich get richer and the poor get richer too.
In theory, yes, in practice, LOLno. You're keeping everyone in the bucket for the purpose of maintaining access to some imaginary way out of the bucket. The numbers don't lie, economic mobility is way, way down, and only the world's very richest and very poorest are benefiting. For those of us who are doing worse than driving a Tesla but doing better than farming dirt in the 3rd world for a dollar a day, things have only been getting worse since the '80s, and we're just supposed to keep sacrificing ourselves for those other 2 groups. So try again. Maybe try the "hidden value in technology" theory, at least that has some intent to mesh with the economic numbers.
It's funny... you leftie assholes claim to want to help the less fortunate, but it's those on the right who are the most generous and give the most to charity... I have no doubt in my mind that you do want to help the poor, but the problem I have with you is that you don't want to do it with your own money. You want to do it with everyone else's. You are a fucking hypocrite and you have a superiority complex. You have decided what is right for everyone else.
Right-wingers donate more because they have the luxury of having more to donate. I may not have thousands to give away to assuage the guilt I don't have, but I know I give up way more of my time to helping the poor. More time than right-wingers spent making the money they gave away. I'm not a hypocrite, I put my effort where my mouth is. Unfortunately that doesn't show up on donation stats. On that note, what if it's just an accountability problem? If more leftists were giving away collectively greater amounts of money in small cash donations than giant tax-deducted right-winger donations, we'd never know.
Furthermore, you assholes have actually decided that two grown adults of sound mind can't come to an agreement to exchange labor for wages if that agreement is below what YOU have decided is reasonable. You declare that that grown man is incompetent to decide for himself if he's willing to accept a job that pays $0.10 less that what YOU have decided he should be paid.
Us assholes do that because if we don't, you'll pay adults like kids, allowing a person to work full-time for less than they can support themselves on, in effect allowing sub-livable-wage workers to be a conduit for a grand unaccountable corporate welfare system, for no reason other than the enrich the 1% (and I suppose those dollar-a-day dirt farmers). Nordic countries have figured this out and have prospered massively because of it. They have more automation and less poverty at the same time.
California, the 8th largest economy on the planet... Run by Democrats for nearly a half century, has the lowest quality of life of all 50 states... Why?
ght-wingers
In short, because the criteria used to create this ranking were nonsensical choices. That's basically the only way to generate such a BS-meter-redlining list that says that quality of life in Missouri, Alabama and Nebraska are better than in California, with North-freaking-Dakota at #1. It looks at 3 very specific areas of life, only 2 of which could be related to quality of life at all: natural environment (meaning environmental cleanliness/health), social environment (meaning social engagement) and voter participation(!?). This last factor alone is probably a major reason why infamous rural misery-pits full of bitter far-right-wingers look so good on the list - I'd expect that voter apathy would be greater in places with better quality of life, although looking at inter
Man that's A LOT of survivorship bias (and C-words, are you Australian?). You really believe that nobody has worked as hard and smart as you and failed to make it. Or that people have worked a lot less than you and made a lot of dumb mistakes, and made far more. But keep chalking it up to jealousy and communism, keep thinking there's no such thing as privilege, keep pulling the other crabs back into the bucket just as your wealthy overlords want you to...
Bullshit... If you took the CEO pay for the top 500 companies on Earth and compared it next to the amount of wages those companies pay out, it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans. Microsoft (as an example) employees 131,000 people.. What do you suppose those wages total up to? Apple - 121,000 employees.. Tesla, 37,000+ employees... I could go on and on..
Here you make the mistake of thinking that the damage doesn't exceed the CEO's pay. It does...massively. The money those CEOs are locking up could've been reinvested into workers or equipment where it would've produced even more value. Could've been spent by everyday people where it would've gone straight back into the economy and meaningfully improved people's lives, far more than anyone making $70K+ can even understand. The money the CEOs take home is just the tip of the iceberg of the damage they're causing.
The threat of stone-age living is a common strawman employed by climate denialists and climate policy obstructionists. The idea is that stone-age living would be less carbon-intensive than modern living, therefore it could be a solution to climate change, therefore it's what imaginary environmentalists are proposing.
Of course the actual solutions to climate change involve greater technology and greater access to the products of energy use through better efficiency.
It's just a minority of jackass Americans and a few Brits who are asleep at the switch for conveniently (short term) self-serving reasons.