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Trump Accuses Social Media Firms of 'Silencing Millions' (reuters.com)
U.S. President Donald Trump accused social media companies on Friday of silencing "millions of people" in an act of censorship, but without offering evidence to support the claim. From a report: "Social Media Giants are silencing millions of people. Can't do this even if it means we must continue to hear Fake News like CNN, whose ratings have suffered gravely. People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!" Trump wrote on Twitter, not mentioning any specific companies. Trump also criticized social media outlets last week, saying without providing proof that unidentified companies were "totally discriminating against Republican/Conservative voices." Mr. President's Friday remarks comes days after he expressed concerns over Twitter and Facebook regulating the content on their own platforms. He found such practice "very dangerous."
Let the Russians on FB etc, just shut Trump up
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regardless of your opinions, he is right. of course they have the right to do so, but people are being silenced
the sociopathic liar that has become our president.
Will he repeal draconian copyright laws to prove he is against censorship. To prove that companies should not be determining what users can and can not do online?
No because he is a liar, a fraud and a bad man.
I mean since Trump has carte blanche to make shit up now and Republicans CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT APPARENTLY, why stop at millions? That lie just doesn't seem big enough for the base. Go big or go to Federal prison!
It looks as though you have someone who is completely out of control as president of your country.
Trump: People should be able to say whatever they want on private platforms that have no connection to the government.
Also Trump: Football players should be fined and fired for daring to take a knee.
So in one case he wants the First Amendment to apply to private companies, and in the second wants to force silence on non-govermental employees.
They have the right to silence but they are silencing none the less. If you don't group think you are kicked out.
... is not censorship.
... from the usual "political correctness" complaint, which is somebody with a regular appearance on a major newspaper page, TV or radio show, complaining to an audience of millions that they are being "silenced". ( https://www.theguardian.com/us... )
On a practical note, if these millions are "unsilenced", how I am supposed to find time to listen to them? I can only listen to each of even one million people every month, if I spend 18 hours a day listening to each for two seconds.
has yet to show up and downvote everything not sufficiently pro-Trump.
People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!
You know, some of the stuff Trump says could be truly profound, if not for the source...
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Anyone have anything more than a few anecdotal conspiracy theory stories, that are probably just someone not knowing how to change their settings? Ideally a double blind study with a statistically significant sample size.
People are NOT getting silenced.
Correct. What they are shutting down are the bots and fake accounts.
People can still spout their paranoid conspiracy theories and can still troll for lulz, they just have to do so from one account linked to their own name, not 1000 accounts linked to 1000 fake names,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mollie-tibbetts-death-russia-bots-alliance-securing-democracy-trump-cohen-manafort-a8505241.html
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/spot-russian-bot-social-media/
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/spot-russian-bot-social-media/
Instead of relaying on 'social media giants', Alex Jones and Trump's Russian troll friends could just make their own service. Heck, host it in Russia where they won't shut you down when you incite violence against US persons.
It looks as though you have someone who is completely out of control as president of your country.
That seems like accurate description of the situation. Though upon closer inspection, we also have a chickenshit congressional majority who refuses to do their duty to keep the president in check.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
What if i buy facebook and use all the tools they created and silence you?
Those poor unwashed millions of Russian and Iranian bots waiting to be heard.
Hey, I have an idea, he could resign and move there and hear from them all the time!
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Actually it's standing law that the official statements of the POTUS have to be preserved and from that, he can't ban people from them. Not Democrat whim, existing law. You went off half-cucked again, nazi trollbot.
Maybe if you dumbasses actually learned how the government or law worked, you wouldn't be so insane and sociopathically paranoid lol? Yeah right, it's like asking you to fly or Trump to tell the truth, lol.
Is run by rich socialists.
Corporatism != Free Market
Yes I see it all the time now. The war is on folks.
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Nationalise and give it to the FCC for administration.
If Trump is so opposed to this because he knows that the garbage his followers share on social media that is untrue is going to be caught up in this. For example, a few weeks someone I know from high school, who lives in a small town in a very conservative "red state", posted a link to article claiming that California was registering every illegal immigrant that they could find to vote. Now, let's look at this logically. Let's just go wild and claim that they really did register 10 million illegal immigrants to illegally vote. I picked that number because it's insanely high and Republicans always like to claim that we've already got a problem with huge numbers of illegal votes. Well, because of the electoral college, you win California by 1 vote or 10 million extra illegal votes, you still just win California. So registering illegal voters doesn't hurt Trump. And if all those illegal voters influence other elections fraudulently, well, I would think that citizens of the state would have recourse to use the courts to seek relief. No doubt registering illegal voters intentionally is a crime, probably a big one. And there certainly are conservative areas of California, like Orange County, where I would think that a lawsuit over this, if it was true, would find a favorable judge to hear it. But no, let's just make wild claims and get people outraged over nothing because an outraged conservative is a voting conservative I guess.
As has been said, Twitter (and FB) are private companies where free speech does not exists. That is, except for those on the far-left. Anyone else will be muted or banned.
I retweeted something about showing respect for veterans and was shadow-banned on Twitter - my tweets are no longer seen by others. If I were to retweet something about verterans being the same as nazi's that would be OK, and I'd probably end up with a blue Twitter checkmark on my profile.
Twitter is anything but free speech. There needs to be an alternative that really is.
I do not belong to the church of the lowercase 'i'
People say corporations can do whatever they want with regards to speech, but that's not true. Twitter and other social media are effectively public platforms. In that Trump Twitter case, the judge ruled that denying access to his posts was denying citizen's their right to speech. If responding to Tweets is speech, then surely broadcasting them is also protected (as well as YouTube videos, FaceBook posts, and so on).
On top of that, they have a contract with their users. Contracts are enforced by the government and that's why government can regulate businesses/contracts (fo r instance, a contract can't make you a slave). The government would be using its power to quash speech.
If all the town squares in America were sold to private companies (who were friends of politicians), would it then be right to use local police to kick out demonstrators? Is it right for Visa and MasterCard to deny financial access to the David Horowitz Freedom Center?
Hell, large Manhattan office buildings by law are required to have foyers open to the public. That's a hell of a lot more of a burden than devoting some server space to shitposting.
Like how the NSA is spying on us? Like how there aren't actually any WMD's in Iraq?
Trump: Me too! Slashdot: OMG I love social media censorship!
Then I go to Slashdot and bitch about it while I find a new site to be on or I make one for me and my silenced friends.
If you silence the fringe people, you will chill speech among the less fringe. This chilling effect means that one side feels free to speak while the other side is worried if they say something out-of-line, they will be cut off.
"People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship". Trump voters, the majority, are really capable of that?
Clown!
The corporations that are "silencing people" are owned by corporations that have a wide latitude as to what they can allow or disallow on their platform. Free speech says that if you don't like what somebody has to say you are allow to get on your own soapbox and say it. I'm just saying that you aren't allowed to use "my soapbox" to stand on.
Oh regardless of whether or not you like trump, for better or worse we have him as our president until either he loses an election, can't run any longer (completed 2 terms) or gets removed from office.
One thing I will say is looking back at all the presidents that I remember (I can remember back to Carter) I can't remember any president with so much controversy surrounding him, yes presidents are not liked for one reason or another, a policy is disliked etc but wow the controversy surrounding Trump in itself is scary.
Trump senses a disturbance of the force. It felt as if millions of bots cried out in terror, and then were silenced.
There is a worrisome trend lately where governments try to force social media (and others) to self-censor by threatening huge fines for not keeping their forums "clean". An overview of the situation in some countries:
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-fake-news-law.html
I think that is just as dangerous as social media suppressing comments they don't like. Not that traditional media are immune to either, even if their countries claim to be free, democratic nations.
In the USA, you have things like the Nixon administration trying to shut down inconvenient news as treason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States
Here in Germany, we have some newspapers with clear political bias but also attempts by the government to shut them up if they make the politicians look bad. Such as this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_scandal
Today though, the Spiegel is behaving like a propaganda rag at times, always ready to condemn the Russians long before the underlying facts are proven. Perhaps not quite "false news" but getting close.
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It's no shock that he and his Russian handlers aren't happy that their propaganda machine and lies are impeded in any way.
If you have any doubt that the U.S. government isn't led by the multi-national organized crime syndicate that has taken control of Russia, read "House of Trump, House of Putin". I checked it our free from my local library, and I have to say its not pleasant to know the truth about who is running our world.
(posted as Anonymous Coward because reading this makes me want to hide under a mountain of tinfoil hats)
Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, and others routinely apply double standards to non-Leftists and censor non-Leftists.
Then they lie about it.
I get wanting to censor all political competition, but why not just admit that is what you are doing?
I guess that censorship is not popular, and social media is afraid of losing popularity and going the way of MySpace.
However, by alienating half of their potential audience, they have guaranteed that they are obsolete anyway...
Alternative Right.
Reveals Titanic desperation
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Alex Jones called for violence against innocent people, victims of his half-cucked conspiracy theories. You're a FUCKING IDIOT if you think Twitter or ANY platform should put up with that.
Christ on a pogo stick, are we really back to this bullshit? Nixon trotted this out , his "Silent Majority". He had a secret plan to end an undeclared war backed by a silent majority. No one does bullshit better than republicans and the criminal Trump is following Nixon's playbook except the criminal Trump does not read and he damn sure can't retain anything he has been told. The guy is stupid, senial Nixon.
Another day closer to redwood heaven
They wanted to stop publication of a stolen and leaked classified document. That is not "inconvenient news."
Democracy as usual.
Alternative Right.
Fact checking would go more smoothly if Trump just bothered to check his facts before twitting.
How long have the vague accusations of "treason" been unsubstantiated by evidence nor even any plausible details? Two years?
Now, when Trump simply states the obvious — and, indeed, admitted by Facebook themselves — the Left turn back to the most rigorous standards of evidence.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
You will also have given the fringe new legitimacy and an honest and uncontroversial grievance, which will make them more powerful.
Alternative Right.
Yes, at least in common sense. Are they legally public spaces? I argue that they are public spaces if we translate physical world law to virtual world law.
No, because he was using Twitter as a mouthpiece for the government, and the government cannot censor speech. The same requirement is not made of private entities, possibly with the exceptions mentioned above.
Alternative Right.
Twitter is a far-Left platform. It seems odd, then, that they do not want to be revealed as such, and actively deny it. What are they hiding? I wonder if it has something to do with their advertisers, ownership, or funding.
Alternative Right.
Trump's a blowhard, but in this case he's right.
The term "racism" simply refers to:
There is nothing wrong with either; in fact, they are the only natural and scientific positions!
Alternative Right.
He's probably noticed there's not much to read because most of his favorite sources of information have been outed as bot farm propaganda and filtered.
Its truly frightening that the (former) leader of the free world dictates U.S. foreign policy based upon fake news instead of trusted advisers, career diplomats and seasoned security professionals.
Greed is the root of all evil.
Social media companies are not publishers; they are spaces where other people speak their minds.
The NFL, on the other hand, is a single-topic publisher, and anything it endorses is a statement of support. This is closer to the cake case, where the baker did not want to bake the gay cake because he saw it as endorsing an issue he viewed as demonic.
Alternative Right.
True. However, by banning them from Twitter, the company has ensured that (1) they cannot communicate back to government, even just to give it a digital finger, and (2) government cannot measure response to its ideas by using Twitter.
Alternative Right.
About 3 weeks ago, Hank of the Vlogbrothers put up a vlog where he questioned whether we need to reconsider how the First Amendment works now. The basic premise of his post was questioning whether private platforms could eventually reach a size and scope such that they become public forums upon which free speech must be protected. I don't think he's in support of this, but was simply airing the general thought and outrage that some people (conservatives) are having over the censorship that is occurring on various platforms. In other words, the public is starting to feel that free speech is something that should be protected from businesses, not just the government.
I personally don't think this should or will happen. At the end of the day, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are private businesses that let people on the platform and let them say what they want, for free. The companies have to manage and pay for the servers and infrastructure that keeps all of that running, which gives them the power to decide what they want on their platforms. Is it censoring? Yes, but its not much different from a business owner kicking you out of their shop for cursing up a storm.
If society decides that free speech is something that should exist within private businesses as well, then I think we'll start to see a lot products simply forgo allowing people to have speech in the first place. I know some services have stripped comments and reviews completely because they can be very toxic and are more trouble to police than anything else.
Followed by a massive recession as the consequences of his ill-advised "fast money" policies came due. Also, most of the growth in the American economy at that point was actually growth in Chinese manufacturing and thus American profits, especially after unions devastated American labor in the 1980s.
Alternative Right.
who said what?
I am sure you look to America to distract from how badly things are going over there.
Alternative Right.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/flashback-remember-when-obama-campaign-was-fined-375000-for-campaign-reporting-violations-and-no-jail-time/
The point is to reach new audience, not preach to the choir.
Alternative Right.
Many conservatives have been blocked by Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook, which is why there is an exodus to Gab.ai and BitChute.
Alternative Right.
there's nothing stopping Alex Jones or any of the other folks banned from starting their own site. Yes, they might have to host it themselves on their own hardware (that right wing Facebook competitor has been warned by Microsoft to tone down some of their users) but they can do it thanks to common carrier.
As always there's an XKCD comic for this.
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This thread has so many traitors speaking against the true and greatest leader the world has ever seen. Those who speak out against their President should be tried and hung for treason.
they lose the protection of common carrier. They know this. It's why if you share copyrighted material they have to take it down within a certain period of time (DMCA gives them some additional protections there).
/. that you want to assassinate somebody specific and the threat seems credible they will take it down. In exchange for that we have a moderation system and, well, we don't have people here inciting violence and hate non stop.
Slashdot doesn't have common carrier either. If you post on
Common Carrier and safe harbor aren't all they're cracked up to be. Not everyone needs to be or even wants to be the phone company.
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I really don't understand why we hear from this guy as much as we do...
he's completely in control of the big money donors who helped put him in office.
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As if millions of social media bots suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened - @ealDonaldTrump
I hated him before he was president and cheerfully ignored him. He's the most powerful man on earth. His Supreme Court nominations are going to change American Politics for decades to come. We're probably not going to get Single Payer Health care because of that (the current court will shut it down). Heck, we might even lose Medicare & Medicaid when push comes to shove.
I hang on his words because they've got enormous power over me. It's not emotion, it's policy.
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"His opinion is not egalitarian, so it is a meany opinion, which means he is an asshole and should be excluded from polite society."
Alternative Right.
Makes sense. And that way, whatever they let through, they endorse.
Alternative Right.
he's still got his website. He was removed from YouTube & Twitter for repeatedly inciting direct violence. It's a wonder it didn't happen sooner. Go on YouTube and look up some videos from "Secular Talk" on Jones. He's been accusing Jewish journalists of blood libel (it's a belief that Jewish people drink the blood of Christians in religious ceremonies if you don't know what that is, I didn't until I saw the Secular Talk videos). That's against both YouTube & Twitter's guidelines.
The final straw came when he mimed shooting Robert Mueller to an audience he knows is mildly unhinged. It was a Jones supporter who showed up with a rifle at the "PizzaGate" restaurant (google it if you don't know what it is but be prepared to lose a little faith in humanity...).
Moreover Jones has admitted in sworn deposition during his divorce trial that everything he does is an act. So you can't say he isn't fully aware of the consequences of what he's doing. He's not a true believer or a kool aid drinker. He's manipulating a specific set of people and knows it and he knows the risks involved.
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If that is your ultimate goal you would have pissed away a lot of money. I couldn't care less if it was closed tomorrow. Well, not entirely true. I would care a bit. I would feel a lot of schadenfreude.
Why give a voice to the idiots? We already have a loudmouth idiot in the white house, we don't need more of them.
Disregards scientific facts and base his "facts" on fakenews, while shouting about fakenews.... all the while propagating said fakenews in the first place and lying about everything, get caught, still lie and try to worm himself out of it by pretending he never lied and that others are liars and fakenews.
Trump exceeds Obama growth. You also fail to mention loss of purchasing power under Obama or the general economic malaise of the country, and have fallen back on two propaganda sources -- Maddow and Politifact -- to make your argument.
And you fall back on no sources whatsoever: you just make up facts.
There was no particular change in purchasing power between Obama and Trump-- the inflation rate stayed about the same: CPI increased 2.9% year over year as of June. Oil prices have goine up 65% since Trump's election, though, so Trump's election has resulted in a net loss in purchasing power.
Leftists really do live in different worlds, don't you? Either that or you are honestly deluded (insane) or liars.
I'm not sure what your point is, since I'm not a leftist. I'm a guy who likes numbers.
You're citing political sources for economic data? WTF? It's like you're deliberately seeking out propaganda to believe. Just look at the raw data in any of dozens of places.
Well, what you just stated in your post makes the same case, the only difference being that you cite no sources at all. So, pick either one-- my citing NBC and Brookings, or your citing nobody whatsoever-- and we seem to get to the same place.
...Late 2016 is the point when the US economy went from "recovering but shaky" to "doing great". Credit whoever make you feel better for that.
Since Trump took office in January 2017, if your analysis says "late 2016" is the point where the US economy went to "going great", then I wouldn't credit Trump
Is right twice a term...
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Russian trolls suddenly cried out in terror and were silenced. I fear something constructive has happened.
-- Obi-Wan Trump
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
WTF are you talking about? There are tons of dissenting opinions. Liberals and conservatives are still arguing eith each other all the time. If you and I were the kind of people who use Facebook, we could easily chat about the relative merits of liberalism and conservatism over there instead of here on Slashdot. We could scream at each other about libertarianism vs authoritarianism. Coke vs Pepsi and Emacs vs vim.
It's just the Nazis and other worthless shitheads that everyone else (left or right, libertarian or authoritarian, Coke drinkers or Pepsi drinkers) has gotten sick of subsizing. They'll have to go get their own website, as though they were adults. And yes, that means they'll end up in echo chambers. Sucks to be them. They can always come out into the adult world and listen, though. And there's lots of different things for them to listen to.
The funny thing is that anyone cares about getting banned from Facebook. These Nazis are total losers, slaves of the ad and surveillance industries. Someone hands them a key to their shackles, and they pretend they can't get by without their shackles. It reminds me of how my dog looks confused when I take off her collar. She licks it and wants me to put it back on her. Those are the kind of people we're talking about. Geez! Just give up on them. Let them kill themselves. My dog has an excuse: she's a stupid fucking dog and I actually have forced her to wear that collar for many many years, probably warping her mind a bit. But what's these humans' excuse?
Then you'll have been scammed, since Facebook doesn't have enough power to silence anyone. Whatever rumors of silencing tools you've heard, I guarantee it: not a single one works. Snake oil.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Who cares? And there's nothing to see here. So a website bans someone? Is this suddenly a problem? Do websites have to give up their rights so someone else can have their speech on this website? No. Websites have the same rights as we do, sorry. They definitely have to right to not be associated with your speech, with or without a reason.
Case in point, if you head over to ANY technical support forum from any computer manufacturer and start posting about rabbit breeding and showing, you'd be asked to leave, your posts would be removed. That speech is not the focus of the forum, and the forum's operations have no obligation to publish your speech.
Just stop this nonsense. If Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or Granny's Cooking Website doesn't want you there, then you have to leave, you have no rights, period. You are a guest of the website operator and as part of your agreement you clicked on without reading, you relinquish any rights you thought you might have, when you signed up to that site. GTFO with this BS. You wanna speak? Head over to your favorite web hosting company and register a domain, publish whatever you damn well please on YOUR website.
You say Big Giant Orange Head is right. I say he is wrong.
Oh, I get the free speech argument and all that. Normally I'd be on board. In this case I'm not on board because of BGOH. He's the wrong spokesman for this argument and he poisons the well even when he could have, for once, been correct, not lying, and talking up a fundamental good in society.
No, BGOH has no credibility as far as I'm concerned. While I'll not speak against free speech, I just don't want to have anything to do with BGOH speaking to this subject. He's a toxic tub of lies, misdirection, and hateful impulses. He is the Great Divider.
BGOH is to free speech as grease is to glue. And if you are known by the company you keep, just look at the company BGOH keeps. An endless parade of twits, blowhards, liars, criminals, and confidence tricksters.
A garbage man in a garbage dumpster.
So they all got blocked/banned, you admit it and I'm the lair?
You are that bigot I called out a few months ago aren't you? Yea, this guy constantly posts anti-black shit and thinks they need to get back into poverty they were stuck in under Obama. Figures you wouldn't think banning black women isn't an issue, you fucking bigot.
I would have thought after calling you out last time you would have stopped, but here you are posting that oppressing minorities isn't a real problem.
The search engines do not include very many blogs and regular people sites, unless they're selling something and paying for the ads. I have been thinking that another platform is needed (maybe a new search engine run by a non-profit group) - that actually caters to blogs and little people sites. Perhaps the search site could charge a fee to support networking costs.
Right now all search engines are profit driven, so most of searchable net is centered around commercial-speak. No search engine gives over 2k results out of the millions of possibilities, and those filtered results are mostly ad driven sales presences.
But, until such a thing as a non commercial search engine happens, most independent blogs and websites are going to remain invisible. The little bit of exposure on a FB or major site comment section or on slashdot is much more than the individual's site ever would get.
the more he reminds me of Hitler, sitting in his bunker, maneuvering imaginary divisions and battalions. He's completely lost it, reality is too much for him so he's substituting it with his own.
You should be used to this by now. No one wants you around, so you find a community that doesn't understand what you are, take advantage of their hospitality, ruin it for everyone, and no one wants you around again. What's one more trip through the cycle? Or you could end it, by actually making the change and growing the fuck up, but of courseyou don't want to do that.
Failing that, build your own community. You've got everything you need for that. No one will stop you from leaving, and no one will miss you when you're gone. You may run into some trouble growing your community when no one wants to be around you, but so what? You should be used to this by now.
We are coming for the nukers...
We can decentralize and have solutions already to one degree or another to solve the problem of YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and similar corporate censorship. What we do not have is a total solution to is government persecution of minority groups. Every time the government throws someone in prison for publishing something or even possessing something that it doesn't like. As someone who has been persecuted it's not Facebook or other centralized social media platforms that bother me. It's GOVERNMENT censorship and GOVERNMENT locking people up. I'm not sitting around and doing nothing about it, but the solutions take time and few have the patience needed to partake in a solution to authoritarian governments that exist everywhere. I partake in supporting, developing, promoting, and distributing solutions to centralized problems and governments, but most importantly I moved to New Hampshire for freedom. It's not that New Hampshire is free, but it's what has been accomplished that convinced me it's workable and happening and what can solve the problem of government. It's just not going to fix anything overnight. It's going to be a prolonged drawn out affair to overthrow both the state and eventually reduce federal impact or see independence. And no- I don't have any inclination that a revolt today would solve anything. It's a patience thing. Sometimes you have to wait until the time is right and cross your fingers that time will come. But before any of that can happen you still need people to solve the local level issues anyway. So there is no point in revolting when there aren't enough people to free the state in the first place. The Free State Project, Inc might have failed, but the multiple migration movements of freedom-minded sorts has long since succeeded with 20 something principled libertarians in the house and numerous others at other level of government and numerous bills which have been passed to undo bad court rulings or protect/introduce freedom (from drugs to crypto currency to protecting private property and stopping the government from entering without search warrants, which the US supreme court recently authorized).
it becomes an act, because he's now acknowledged that the conspiracy theories are something you have to act about. It's a bit like opening Pandora's box. Baring a mental break down (which there's no sign he's had, he's still perfectly capable of running a large enterprise) he's well aware that the things he says have no basis in reality.
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like it is a bad thing. Most people should not have any right to speak publicly.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
Trump is quietly dismantling Obamacare and with it protections for pre-existing coverage. He's cut the VA. 83% of his tax cut went to the 1% and it's causing run away inflation which the Fed will combat with rising interest rates making home, car and credit card debt more expensive for consumers. His Trade War has a net negative job effect and is itself a distraction from the effect of automation (we've doubled manufacturing output in 50 years while cutting 2/3rds of the jobs, we've lost more to robots than outsourcing).
I could go on. The beauty of Trump is that his outrageousness masks a lot of very real and very bad things that will hurt the American working class.
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Don't forget he and his Congress are actively doing things. To combat the inflation caused by his tax cut being too supply side focused (nice way to say it mostly went to the rich) the Fed is going to raise interest rates. Hope nobody was planning to buy a house or car or refinance in the next 8-10 years...
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they're complicit. There's a difference.
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I've listened to a lot of what comes out of the Trump Administration. Not Trump himself, his Administration. And it scares me. I'm most worried about how he's letting a challenge to the ACA's protection of pre-existing conditions go through. I've got friends and family who live and die by it. Nobody's talking about it. The lawsuit is quietly proceeding like nothing happened. Meanwhile his Supreme Court nominee will likely strike it down when it passes his desk. And on the off chance Bernie Sanders & the Dems get us Medicare for all ending the farce of our healthcare system once and for all that same nominee will likely kill it. In the process they might kill Medicare & Medicaid too...
The shouting isn't there because they're not being listened to. It's a distraction from what the ruling class is doing to the working class...
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Trump exceeds Obama growth.
Not even close. I think you are perhaps looking at the last reported quarter and assuming that is growth for the entire term.
Now, if the last quarter were to continue happening, yes, he would definitely decimate growth under the previous President's term. However, it should be noted that Obama had several 4% quarters, and even a 5% quarter.
Leftists really do live in different worlds, don't you?
Sigh, first off, leftists aren't a thing. I know Tucker and Sean tell you they are, but they just aren't. Stop using the word, it makes you look like a raving lunatic.
Second, no, your opponents are not living in different worlds, especially as long as you're using pure falsehoods to describe your world. You're literally accusing them of doing what you actually are doing. That's called projecting. It's a sign of intense insecurity. You could probably get help with that.
Look through any celebrity or political account and you'll find that its mostly eggs and fakes. The muslims/indians/asians/etc come from follow for follow sites. This is how social media "marketing" works.
Its their right. Don't like it, build your own, with your own rules.
I'm not sure what your point is, since I'm not a leftist. I'm a guy who likes numbers.
Liking facts seems to make one a leftist these days.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I manage several pages and follow many more than have been hit. Sometimes they're punished by the algorithm (never seen) and sometimes they're just deleted entirely. And of course, no explanation is offered and no appeal is possible.
Does no one else remember what an anti Trumo and anti Bernie, Hilary love fest MSM & FB were during the election? Massive Bernie rallies reduced to unreported footnotes and Trump was raping left, right and centre at Miss Universe pageants. Even left wingers in foreign countries, like where I live, could not stop laughing at what a left wing US echo chamber FB was during the 2016 election. It drowned out all other news of any kind. Completely saturated the rest of the world.
Lol, it's actually the opposite. Social media platforms have given a megaphone to a bunch of morons who would normally only have a few of their inbred friends to complain with.
how ironic that those thugs that deride leftists as "bleeding hearts" are the ones ruled by emotion.
I love the sight of conservitard tears, it looks like victory.
Sad snowflake
Trump knows that facts are irrelevant when it comes to persuasion. For the vast majority of people make decisions not on facts and reason but on emotion.
I can't wait until America has a real goddamn president again. This past nearly two years in which we haven't had one, just a reality-show asshole pretending to be one, permitted due to the catastrophic failure of the checks-and-balances system that had been limping along until now, that is the result of unprecedented corruption on the part of "both" parties (as if there are really TWO... ah ha ha ha!) that can only get worse from here because all three branches are captured now, most state legislatures are similarly fucked, what's left of the courts is being eroded away, and the people mostly exist on a continuum that ranges from sheep to jellyfish.
America is fucked right down the drain. Have a lovely weekend, everyone!
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https://qmap.pub/
Draw your own conclusions on what it all means, or what the implications are, but if you're not paying attention to what Q is posting you don't know what the hell is going on....
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
More fucking political bullshit from the neo-nazi's here on /.
Why don't all of you just go back to stormfront or what ever nazi rag you came from, and leave us to actual news....not this propaganda bullshit.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
The difference is obvious to all except the bias-deranged. Pro football players are employees of their teams under the rules of the NFL. Just like I have to act a certain way inside (and outside) of work because it reflects upon my employer, they should abide by the rules of theirs! End of.
Twitter, FB, et al. act as de facto public squares in the modern age. Their users are not their employees.
Evidence? Hahaha. Step on a prog-slut face. Watch the stream of green vapid spew. Rinse. repeat.
What good are values you're not willing to suffer for? The whole point is to do what you think is right in spite of temptation or fear.
It's what bothers me the most about Republicans today - even if I disagree with them, I can respect a person with grit. You'll have a hard time finding that among their ranks today.
Up until now the Fed has been keeping the interest rate VERY low. They're already indicated they're going to increase it. CPI in a lagging indicator.
https://qmap.pub/?pg=2#61
Please refer back and collect my crumbs.
As discussed, we've anticipated the Twitter and other social media blackouts.
Rogue agents/programmers.
Per sealed Federal orders, we quickly tracked and reinstated.
Expect outages periodically (infiltrated).
If this doesn't signal what I've been saying I don't know what will.
Q
https://qmap.pub/#113
Social media platforms.
Top 10 shareholders of Facebook?
Top 10 shareholders of Twitter?
Top 10 shareholders of Reddit?
Why is SA relevant?
MSM.
Controlling stakes in NBC/MSNBC?
Controlling stakes in ABC?
Controlling stakes in CBS?
Controlling stakes in CNN?
Investor(s) in Fox News?
Why is this relevant?
What is Operation Mockingbird?
Active?
Who is A Cooper?
What is A Cooper's background?
Why is this relevant?
Snow White.
Godfather III.
Speed.
Q
Just go to qmap.pub and search for "social media". If you haven't spent much time looking for answers to Q's questions you don't know what's happening.
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
Millions had been silenced!
I wonder how many midi-chlorians he has?
I OTOH credit Trump because the economy is forward-looking, and companies switched from survival to growth in November. But, hey, whoever's right will have better investment success.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
IDK. My America has gotten better this year, first evers for me: Paid vacation time, Completion bonus's, Retirement fund! Maybe you're letting your hatred blind you.
so I don't expect them to learn from Trump. It doesn't help that Hilary mostly ignored them and when she did pay attention she called them Deplorable. She couldn't have picked a worse word. It's catchy but sounds like something educated elites say (because, well, it is). It's also the same thing that cost Romney the election (remember his 42% quip? Christ, even Romney knew better than to say that in public...).
With luck Bernie will win the primary, but right now the establishment seems intent on cramming right wingers like Biden or Kamala Harris down our throats. We could have had Franklin but bloody Harris used her connections to take him down over that photo.
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You instead preferred the known-corrupt-never-accomplished-anything-it-is-my-turn-white-trash?
I did not vote for him but he has done way better than what we know She was intending to do.
The only thing worse would have been if outright socialist and corrupt asshole got in instead of her. Feel the burnnnnnâ"-ing corruption!
"Top Psychic's Head Explodes"
http://content.time.com/time/a...
Sigh ... now THAT was news! I mean, what would the world be without Bat Boy!
Man, isn't that great? Not only news, but science and even Art!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://vimeo.com/44545006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
From the heart of American Media Inc., of course, which lives on with National Enquirer and who knows what else?
... create their own platforms, kinda like Fox.
The could call them Donaldbook, or Whitter (white + Twitter), or Jesusgram.
Basically you can't win on the merits, so your only answer is to silence the opposition.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
Twitter IS suspending millions of accounts...of bots!
https://techcrunch.com/2018/07...
The majority of the working class support these changes until it happens to them. Especially republican government workers (which really should be some kind of oxymoron, but it is not.)
Until the damage from ACA, or the tax cuts, or the job cuts hits home for them and they're not busy blaming it as the other party's fault (the past three terms having balkanized the divide) not enough of the populace is willing to step back and take a serious look at how bad they have allowed things to become, because nobody wants to take responsibility for this mess and man up like the bunch of adults they claim to be while ruining children's lives as sex offenders for taking all the lewd selfies they would have totally done when they were their kids age, and which some of them probably did with Polaroids if their parents were rich or inattentive fuckers.
If we view the internet as a public space, certainly. At that point, however, we are considering not just the wires but the whole internet as a utility. I analogize it to telephone service, in that everyone has a need to use it and so it cannot purely be a free market scenario unless cultural mores so strongly favor universal use that any censorship would provoke riots.
The problem most of us have with net neutrality is that it is a regulation, and these impose costs on businesses and consumers. The former squeeze little guys and new players from the market, and the latter is basically another form of backdoor socialism, passing on the costs of government and free riders to the obedient little sheep in the suburbs.
One wonders why these issues were not considered during the original choice to open the internet up to commerce. My guess is that people always assumed an internet 2.0 would soon exist for actual content, where internet 1.0 would become nu-television.
Alternative Right.
The real world does not work according to your judgmental little rules. What matters is cause and effect. We can see clearly how Obama's policies, like Clinton's policies, were destined to leave little time-bombs behind, and also see how Trump's tax cuts, loosening of regulation, and more sane attitude toward international commerce has boosted the economy now.
Alternative Right.
Alternative Right.
Yes, I oppose allowing spying on our government. Do you endorse it?
Alternative Right.
Your sin is cherry-picking. During the Obama years, purchasing power fell quite a bit.
You're not a Leftist? Do tell... what are you, then?
Alternative Right.
Egalitarianism is any argument made from equality or toward equality. There's a wide range.
Alternative Right.
He used the term "assholes." Since people are being banned for political opinions, how else do we define "asshole" but according to the dominant paradigm?
Alternative Right.
"Wrong" according to what standard, and what proof of its universality or universal utility?
Self-interest is never wrong, especially if it results in a more stable order than ethnic egalitarianism.
Alternative Right.
Would that be your response?
No, of course not, because historically it was not.
If we tell people that they cannot wear jackets saying FUCK THE WAR in a courthouse, suddenly that's limiting their free speech.
But kicking them off the contemporary equivalent of the phone system because they are not egalitarians, that's OK.
Leftism bends minds and then breaks them.
Alternative Right.
Therefore it was stolen; US documents become public property once they are released to the public. It was not intended for release. That is the whole point.
It depends on why they did it, don't you think?
Alternative Right.
Civil Rights law pretty much removed that. Unless you support restoring it?
I am glad to hear that you support the right of people to have, for example, an all-white community enforced by law.
Alternative Right.
OK then, so history was just an error in designating the new egalitarian philosophies following the Enlightenment as Leftist.
Fantasy worlds, again.
Alternative Right.
I should expand, since due to some activity in my office this one got cut off:
Having observed the Obama years, the purchasing power of our currency fell off quite a bit. You might look along these lines:
* https://www.consumerreports.or...
* https://www.bostonglobe.com/li...
* https://montrealgazette.com/op...
It may have avoided the official indexes, but the loss of real-world value to our currency was a thing, which is about what one would expect from fast money policies.
Alternative Right.
My assertion is that under Obama, the purchasing power of American currency declined, something called "shrinkflation" in those articles.
I am not necessarily concerned with contrasting it to Trump, whose presidency is still young. He has clearly had some successes but these might need to be observed over time.
Alternative Right.
I would not categorize them as stable, but I see repression as a sign of leaders in a precarious position. They seem dependent on China, to have a disastrous economy, and to experience frequent failures of food production.
A utilitarian argument, however, this one is a begging-the-question fallacy because you assume society must be diverse in the first place.
Alternative Right.
Did you think that was clever?
* https://www.dailywire.com/news...
* https://www.zerohedge.com/news...
* http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...
* https://www.wnd.com/2015/04/tw...
There's a good starter list. Also, in the post you replied to, Jack Dorsey was the name, not Jeff Bezos. Cerebral flatulence.
Alternative Right.
Cute conversation. What is your political alignment?
Alternative Right.
Who else is going to report on this but Right-wing sources?
Which facts from the articles do you dispute?
Alternative Right.
Team sports politics is an artifact of democracy.
The Left/Right axis however is clear in philosophy and history: Leftists are egalitarians, and Rightists are those who support the methods used before Leftism came along.
Where do you fit on that?
Alternative Right.
Most societies are not very diverse. Further, times change, and with them, policy changes, so it makes no sense to make that assumption.
Alternative Right.
I disagree. We can see the effects of some of what he has done. It depends on the act and how long it takes to see its effects generally; not all choices are equal in how deeply they permeate before taking effect and thus how long it is required to see their effects.
Alternative Right.
I disagree.
I notice you quote no data.
We can see the effects of some of what he has done.
I notice you quote no data.
It depends on the act and how long it takes to see its effects generally; not all choices are equal in how deeply they permeate before taking effect and thus how long it is required to see their effects.
Vague generalities. Show me some data.
No team politics under the kings.
"There are no truths, only interpretations."
Alternative Right.
At this point, none is needed, but your Reddit-style "Source?!?!" deflection is noted.
Alternative Right.
"Bake that cake!"
Alternative Right.
Would it? And does it matter? If a policy is toxic, we reverse it because its results will also be destructive.
Do you have a better source than the biased Wikipedia?
Alternative Right.
Rightists see no need for egalitarianism, therefore both have no judgment of it but see it is irrelevant.
Alternative Right.
The two are not the same. A cake shop is a private entity; YouTube however is a shared public space that benefits from public resources (namely, the internet itself). In the same way, I would not support a phone company refusing access to people for their political views.
Alternative Right.
The original is from Fred Nietzsche, but on the Right, we tend to recognize that there are no universal truths, only some people who understand more than others.
Alternative Right.
Cause/effect logic is a pillar of logic itself, so needs no citation.
I agree Redditors are generally low-IQ Starbucks baristas and Whole Foods checkers, but one of their gambits is a type of concern-trolling where they demand sources inappropriately in order to tire/bother the other party.
Alternative Right.
History disagrees. Diversity means constant internal conflict.
Alternative Right.