The solution is even more simple than that, there is no reason to replace every seat on every aircraft. If you want a seat with more room, buy one. If you want a seat that doesn't have someone in front of you who can recline, buy one.
If you don't want to sit behind someone who might recline their seat then purchase an economy seat that doesn't have a seat that reclines in front of it. There are typically 12 on every flight (737+ class aircraft).
I *need* a better cell phone, why should I be penalized by having to buy an iPhone 5s instead of the cheaper 5c?
If you want more, pay more.
I also don't have a problem with companies charging more for 3XL clothes, shoes > size 14 or bigger cars.
There is nothing belligerent about reclining. The upright position of coach seats is designed to meet FAA requirements for exiting the plane while keeping seat pitch reduced. The seat angle is not designed for comfort. The preferred seat back angle for comfort is about 15 degrees. Most coach seats can't recline to even that angle, most can only recline 1-2", a very modest amount.
Almost everyone would be better served if they reclined. I not only disagree that nobody should recline, I'd suggest that everyone recline and enjoy their flight more.
Tall people are indeed people to and I suggest that tall people don't buy cars with insufficient head/legroom and I'd suggest that tall passengers purchase airline seats with more legroom as well. As much as you might like the price of a Renault Twingo or a base economy airline seat, a tall person would be happier buying a bigger car and a seat with greater pitch.
You can know what plane you'll be on and you can compare classes between airlines
Seatguru.com has information on both. Plug in your flight information and it will tell you what model aircraft you'll be on. Ever seatmap used during booking tells you exactly what seat you will be getting (bulkhead, exit row, economy plus...).
There is a guarantee that if you pay extra for economy plus you'll get exactly that.
Vote with your wallet, pull it out and pay the modest sum required for a seat with more legroom.
If you prefer not to pay 10% more for more legroom, I'm fine with you making that choice as well.
A serious question, why are you not willing to pay more to get more? Do you object to an iPhone 5s costing more than a 5c?
I'm 6' tall, I've flown 500,000 miles in the past 10 years and have never experienced pain, suffering or physical injury. There is plenty of competition, you can chose wider seats up from for a fee, you can choose seats with more legroom for a fee, you can purchase an exit row seat with more room.
If you simply choose to take the cheapest option instead of paying more to get more than you have evaluated the competitive choices and made yours. You don't want to pay for more comfort and I respect your choice. I don't respect your whining about your choice.
Airline seats are designed to be in their upright position to make it easier to evacuate the plane, they aren't intended for comfort at that angle. That's why almost all the seats offer the ability to recline the seat several degrees to an angle that is meant for sitting in for several hours.
Other than the last row of a plane and the first exit row, every seat reclines. If everyone reclines everyone is more comfortable.
If you are in the 1st exit row you aren't impacted because you have extra space.
If you are in the last row in the plane, you suck at planning ahead in your travels and got the worst, smelliest seating position in the plane. Sorry about that and hope you do better next time.
I'd say that 90% of the people in front of me on a flight > 2 hrs recline there seat and I've never considered any of them to be a fucking asshole.
I would make the general observation that people who run around thinking lots of other people are fucking assholes usually are the ones who are fucking assholes. You see them on the road at times, swearing at every other driver around them as they weave in and out of lanes. Sometimes the end up on a plane too. Sometimes they end up getting escorted off the plane in handcuffs.
Tall people are free to purchase bulkhead and emergency row seats right now.
If you are super-sized you need to plan ahead to make sure you can find seating that fits you, business/first class is also an option but it also fills up.
First come, first served.
The last thing the airlines need is gate agents with a tape measure to make sure you "qualify" for certain seats.
You also have the option of approaching me in my 2nd exit row, aisle seat, and offering to pay me to move to your less comfortable seat. Similar to how you can buy a better concert ticket and sell your inferior one. Free market at work, you can almost always get what you want it just becomes a matter of price.
Why is it scummy for airlines to charge extra for better seating?
Isn't that what every concert and sporting event do?
Even some movie theaters have premium seats for a premium price.
Being tall has advantages and disadvantages, you might not fit well in a cheaper small car and have to pay more for a bigger car with more legroom. That doesn't make the auto makers scummy for charging more for a premium product.
I agree, the more angry people that get in fights on planes the more angry people that get blacklisted from flying and the more pleasant flights will be for the rest of us who don't have a problem getting along with our fellow passengers.
There are websites that specialize in giving you the seating configuration for a particular flight.
One is SeatGuru
While they can change aircraft between when you book a flight and when the flight takes off it is pretty accurate. If comfort is important to you then you should be rechecking the seat map several times before the day of your flight and adjust your seat based on any changes. Often better seats will open up several days before a flight as people are upgraded to 1st class.
You have to spend a bit of time if you want the best seating you can get. 2nd exit row, aisle or window seat are two of the best seats in economy. Book early and snag those seats.
We don't need regulation, we need people to simply make the choice that is best for them.
If you want more legroom then purchase a seat that offers more legroom. Some seats in economy offer so much legroom you don't even need to move to let someone in the window seat get out to the aisle.
Not everyone is 6' 1" and not every seat should be designed to accommodate someone who is 6' 1".
Why don't you simply choose a seat that offers more legroom if that is important to YOU?
Others prefer to save some money.
Given that airlines regularly go bankrupt it doesn't seem that their shareholders have a tradition of being over compensated for their investment.
You already have the choice of seats with more space on most airlines. Almost all the majors offer seats with more legroom for a price in economy. It then becomes your choice to either save money or stretch out more.
I'm not sure why you demand a "level playing field", the playing field offers choices. You can choose which airline to fly based on many factors, including seat comfort.
Sounds like an excellent reason to not choose to sit in the last row of an airplane. The seats don't recline and you have a bathroom right next to you.
Life is full of choices, whether it be concert ticket seating or airplane seating. Some people plan ahead, some people don't or can't.
United offers Economy Plus seating on their entire jet fleet. They continue to offer their most frequent fliers space available Economy Plus at no additional charge. As with most things in life, not everyone will choose to pay extra for something better.
New United Economy Plus® seats featuring more legroom than before
Complimentary seatback on-demand entertainment in all seats
Standard power outlets and USB ports throughout the aircraft
Latest version of Gogo® Wi-Fi service with improved connectivity
I asked about the ticket price for those features and they said it was the same exact price as before.
Many airlines, including United, already offer more legroom in certain seats as well as some seats where the seat in front of you doesn't recline.
Wider seats aren't the problem in this story but you are always welcome to pay for First/Business class if you want more width to your seat
But he could get a new phone immediately, he only needed to pull out his wallet and point at which replacement phone he wanted.
His real problem is he signed up for a crappy third party cell phone insurance plan that he finds inconvenient to use and wants someone else to solve his problem.
The solution is simply, don't fork over money for insurance that makes you wait for an in-warranty replacement/repair OR have an old beater phone sitting around you can slap your SIM in if your primary phone gets damaged.
With a phone you don't need a temporary replacement, just buy one right off the shelf at the cell phone store.
I insure my multi-hundred thousand dollar houses, I don't insure my $400 cell phone or my $400 shoes. It's ridiculous and simply leads to "problems" that wouldn't be a problem if you didn't pay for insurance.
The loaner vehicle dealers sometimes provide is in exchange for high dollar services that you are procuring from the dealer.
Phones are cheap, if you break the electronics they aren't generally repaired they are replaced. So purchase a replacement phone and be on your way.
Hi, I'm an idiot and broke my computer but the store sold me insurance but why don't they stock replacement computers right at the store for me to take home the same day so I'm not inconvenienced by missing even one single episode of my favorite show, Bennett Being Boring?
1. There are far more than 4 cellular companies in the Phoenix area
2. There are hundreds of independent stores in the Phoenix area
3. It would take at least 100 locations just within the Phoenix area to put the entire population within 20 minutes of a location
Verizon currently shows 34 different smartphones available for sale, most of those come in multiple colors and memory sizes. They also have 8 basic phones.
Total variations, not including color, is over 50
I would wager that across providers and phones sold in the past 3 years you could come up with at least 400 phone models.
You would also need to stock more than 1 of each model.
Sounds like a major mess when a simple solution already exists:
1) Don't buy insurance
2) Replace your phone if you break or lose your current phone
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The solution is even more simple than that, there is no reason to replace every seat on every aircraft. If you want a seat with more room, buy one. If you want a seat that doesn't have someone in front of you who can recline, buy one.
If you don't want to sit behind someone who might recline their seat then purchase an economy seat that doesn't have a seat that reclines in front of it. There are typically 12 on every flight (737+ class aircraft).
I *need* a better cell phone, why should I be penalized by having to buy an iPhone 5s instead of the cheaper 5c? If you want more, pay more. I also don't have a problem with companies charging more for 3XL clothes, shoes > size 14 or bigger cars.
There is nothing belligerent about reclining. The upright position of coach seats is designed to meet FAA requirements for exiting the plane while keeping seat pitch reduced. The seat angle is not designed for comfort. The preferred seat back angle for comfort is about 15 degrees. Most coach seats can't recline to even that angle, most can only recline 1-2", a very modest amount. Almost everyone would be better served if they reclined. I not only disagree that nobody should recline, I'd suggest that everyone recline and enjoy their flight more. Tall people are indeed people to and I suggest that tall people don't buy cars with insufficient head/legroom and I'd suggest that tall passengers purchase airline seats with more legroom as well. As much as you might like the price of a Renault Twingo or a base economy airline seat, a tall person would be happier buying a bigger car and a seat with greater pitch.
You can know what plane you'll be on and you can compare classes between airlines Seatguru.com has information on both. Plug in your flight information and it will tell you what model aircraft you'll be on. Ever seatmap used during booking tells you exactly what seat you will be getting (bulkhead, exit row, economy plus ...).
There is a guarantee that if you pay extra for economy plus you'll get exactly that.
Vote with your wallet, pull it out and pay the modest sum required for a seat with more legroom. If you prefer not to pay 10% more for more legroom, I'm fine with you making that choice as well. A serious question, why are you not willing to pay more to get more? Do you object to an iPhone 5s costing more than a 5c?
I'm 6' tall, I've flown 500,000 miles in the past 10 years and have never experienced pain, suffering or physical injury. There is plenty of competition, you can chose wider seats up from for a fee, you can choose seats with more legroom for a fee, you can purchase an exit row seat with more room. If you simply choose to take the cheapest option instead of paying more to get more than you have evaluated the competitive choices and made yours. You don't want to pay for more comfort and I respect your choice. I don't respect your whining about your choice.
Airline seats are designed to be in their upright position to make it easier to evacuate the plane, they aren't intended for comfort at that angle. That's why almost all the seats offer the ability to recline the seat several degrees to an angle that is meant for sitting in for several hours. Other than the last row of a plane and the first exit row, every seat reclines. If everyone reclines everyone is more comfortable. If you are in the 1st exit row you aren't impacted because you have extra space. If you are in the last row in the plane, you suck at planning ahead in your travels and got the worst, smelliest seating position in the plane. Sorry about that and hope you do better next time.
I'd say that 90% of the people in front of me on a flight > 2 hrs recline there seat and I've never considered any of them to be a fucking asshole. I would make the general observation that people who run around thinking lots of other people are fucking assholes usually are the ones who are fucking assholes. You see them on the road at times, swearing at every other driver around them as they weave in and out of lanes. Sometimes the end up on a plane too. Sometimes they end up getting escorted off the plane in handcuffs.
Tall people are free to purchase bulkhead and emergency row seats right now. If you are super-sized you need to plan ahead to make sure you can find seating that fits you, business/first class is also an option but it also fills up. First come, first served. The last thing the airlines need is gate agents with a tape measure to make sure you "qualify" for certain seats. You also have the option of approaching me in my 2nd exit row, aisle seat, and offering to pay me to move to your less comfortable seat. Similar to how you can buy a better concert ticket and sell your inferior one. Free market at work, you can almost always get what you want it just becomes a matter of price.
Why is it scummy for airlines to charge extra for better seating? Isn't that what every concert and sporting event do? Even some movie theaters have premium seats for a premium price. Being tall has advantages and disadvantages, you might not fit well in a cheaper small car and have to pay more for a bigger car with more legroom. That doesn't make the auto makers scummy for charging more for a premium product.
I agree, the more angry people that get in fights on planes the more angry people that get blacklisted from flying and the more pleasant flights will be for the rest of us who don't have a problem getting along with our fellow passengers.
There are websites that specialize in giving you the seating configuration for a particular flight. One is SeatGuru While they can change aircraft between when you book a flight and when the flight takes off it is pretty accurate. If comfort is important to you then you should be rechecking the seat map several times before the day of your flight and adjust your seat based on any changes. Often better seats will open up several days before a flight as people are upgraded to 1st class. You have to spend a bit of time if you want the best seating you can get. 2nd exit row, aisle or window seat are two of the best seats in economy. Book early and snag those seats.
We don't need regulation, we need people to simply make the choice that is best for them. If you want more legroom then purchase a seat that offers more legroom. Some seats in economy offer so much legroom you don't even need to move to let someone in the window seat get out to the aisle. Not everyone is 6' 1" and not every seat should be designed to accommodate someone who is 6' 1".
Why don't you simply choose a seat that offers more legroom if that is important to YOU? Others prefer to save some money. Given that airlines regularly go bankrupt it doesn't seem that their shareholders have a tradition of being over compensated for their investment.
You already have the choice of seats with more space on most airlines. Almost all the majors offer seats with more legroom for a price in economy. It then becomes your choice to either save money or stretch out more. I'm not sure why you demand a "level playing field", the playing field offers choices. You can choose which airline to fly based on many factors, including seat comfort.
Sounds like an excellent reason to not choose to sit in the last row of an airplane. The seats don't recline and you have a bathroom right next to you. Life is full of choices, whether it be concert ticket seating or airplane seating. Some people plan ahead, some people don't or can't.
United offers Economy Plus seating on their entire jet fleet. They continue to offer their most frequent fliers space available Economy Plus at no additional charge. As with most things in life, not everyone will choose to pay extra for something better.
New United Economy Plus® seats featuring more legroom than before Complimentary seatback on-demand entertainment in all seats Standard power outlets and USB ports throughout the aircraft Latest version of Gogo® Wi-Fi service with improved connectivity I asked about the ticket price for those features and they said it was the same exact price as before.
Many airlines, including United, already offer more legroom in certain seats as well as some seats where the seat in front of you doesn't recline. Wider seats aren't the problem in this story but you are always welcome to pay for First/Business class if you want more width to your seat
But he could get a new phone immediately, he only needed to pull out his wallet and point at which replacement phone he wanted. His real problem is he signed up for a crappy third party cell phone insurance plan that he finds inconvenient to use and wants someone else to solve his problem. The solution is simply, don't fork over money for insurance that makes you wait for an in-warranty replacement/repair OR have an old beater phone sitting around you can slap your SIM in if your primary phone gets damaged.
With a phone you don't need a temporary replacement, just buy one right off the shelf at the cell phone store. I insure my multi-hundred thousand dollar houses, I don't insure my $400 cell phone or my $400 shoes. It's ridiculous and simply leads to "problems" that wouldn't be a problem if you didn't pay for insurance.
The loaner vehicle dealers sometimes provide is in exchange for high dollar services that you are procuring from the dealer. Phones are cheap, if you break the electronics they aren't generally repaired they are replaced. So purchase a replacement phone and be on your way.
Hi, I'm an idiot and broke my computer but the store sold me insurance but why don't they stock replacement computers right at the store for me to take home the same day so I'm not inconvenienced by missing even one single episode of my favorite show, Bennett Being Boring?
1. There are far more than 4 cellular companies in the Phoenix area 2. There are hundreds of independent stores in the Phoenix area 3. It would take at least 100 locations just within the Phoenix area to put the entire population within 20 minutes of a location Verizon currently shows 34 different smartphones available for sale, most of those come in multiple colors and memory sizes. They also have 8 basic phones. Total variations, not including color, is over 50 I would wager that across providers and phones sold in the past 3 years you could come up with at least 400 phone models. You would also need to stock more than 1 of each model. Sounds like a major mess when a simple solution already exists: 1) Don't buy insurance 2) Replace your phone if you break or lose your current phone