You still have to turn pages manually, I had expected they would have automated that (well, perhaps better if you still want to return the book to the library later).
Any digital camera on a tripod can do the same thing.
Heck. Get a fine tooth saw blade and separate the pages from the spine, then load them into a scanner with a page feed.
A tail section badly repaired after a minor accident came off in mid-air. The airplane spun out of control and disintegrated before crashing into the ground. That fits this accident very well.
Without conclusive evidence of a bomb, I would be very careful to scream terrorism. Terrorists claiming responsibility doesn't mean a thing without evidence.
ValuJet Flight 592, blowing up in 1996 as a result of oxygen generators in the cargo being triggered accidentally.
I certainly wouldn't rule it out, but the evidence released seems pretty fitting to the bomb scenario as well. It's not just the "satellite recorded a heat signature bit" because that could have been the plane itself exploding, though.
It's the fact that (according to what we've heard in the news) the plane broke up almost exactly when it reached a certain altitude. Why is this important? Because the single most effective way to trigger a bomb in an airliner is to tie it to an altimeter, so that the bomb will only go off once it's taken above the set height.
But the bomb also went off exactly at a certain time, at a certain latitude and longitude, when a certain passenger in a certain seat was handed a certain snack by a certain attendant, etc. etc. etc. including when a certain infant in a certain town in a certain state wet his or her diaper.
i.e. post hoc analysis of correlation is untrustworthy
Are these the same intelligence agencies that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? Trillions of dollars and millions of deaths later, I am not so fast to accept this convenient accusation.
Clearly Saddam's ghost used the WMD to blow up the plane.
Who cares how many years it spans - it's the number of flights that matters.
Yeah, convenient way to ignore the fact that to find the last Russian space fatality you have to go back over 40 years, whereas NASA space shuttles were blowing up as recently as 2003.
Yes, the fact that Russia has had a spotless record for over 40 years is completely irrelevant. What matters is that they had two fatal accidents in the 1960's.That makes them somehow worse, or at least no better than, a space agency that fatal accidents in 1986 and 2003.
The point is that nothing about their survived hours in flight paints a picture of the Russians being wildly more successful in that regard.
No, but the fact that Russia had almost every space first in the 1960's and 70's DOES paints a picture of an agency that has well-earned and deserves respect. You would think that the fact that Americans have to beg Russia for a ride to ISS these days would at least make Americans inclined to treat the Russian space program with a little of that respect. But never underestimate the self-aggrandizing delusion of the average American, or the lingering effect of bullshit Cold War propaganda on that national psyche. In American movies, the U.S. is still the king of space. In real life, you can't even put a human in low earth orbit anymore.
in fact, the company is a product of the german national culture, which is so primitive that they do not have the sense to just buy a solid majority of the legislature in any company they do business in and get laws passed that exempt them from everything under the sun, like we world leader countries do; instead they go with their own national strength, brilliant engineering; which might not be brilliant enough to solve the problem, but will be brilliant enough to cover it up.
But I don't want my tax money being used to fix your roads!
I don't drive in your neighborhood so I don't care about your roads!
well, that's the ayn rand style free market small government utopia; one guy gets out there and fills the pothole in front of his house himself, then he sits on top of it on a folding chair, holding a shotgun and demanding everybody who drives down the street pay him. and if they don't want to, let them drive elsewhere. clearly, if everybody did this instead of the nanny state sending its jackbooted thugs to fix all the potholes and get everybody to split the bill, our society would be so much further ahead in productivity and efficiency, and children would learn the value of self reliance instead of becoming lost in a culture of dependence.
This is probably the easiest money the US Government has ever made - with the exception of course of stealing 50% of everyone's income right off the top.
the government steals 50% of your income? you know that your mortgage payment is not a tax, right?
So is it still just a few nefarious software developers/Engineers fault and not anyone higher up the ladder?
/end sarcasm.
turns out it was just Wolfgang over in shipping, who would flip the switch labeled "emissions cheating mode, do not engage" to on, because he thought it was turning the dome light off.
That's actually why I'm a bit skeptical of the EPA claims in this case. The EPA cites only the 2014 Touareg, 2015 Cayenne, and various 2016 Audi models for having the defeat device. But all three of those vehicle lines sharing the same engine all three years. If you found it on those specific vehicles, you'd expect to find it on all those vehicles for all three years because it's the same engine.
same reason Honda was forced to deal with self destructing transmissions in Accords, but not with the exact same transmission installed in Odysseys or ridgelines. if anyone ever finds out what that reason is please let us know.
What would be gained by that? And how do you plan to bankrupt a company?
Assess the maximum penalty per vehicle sold, don't allow vehicles to be registered unless they pass applicable emissions tests, and allow consumers to sue VW to recover damages in the event that VW can't deliver on its advertised performance specs while obeying the law.
All of that is already being done. I don't think that VW is planning to reduce performance with the modifications or that the KBA would let them do that even if they wanted. They have already stated that they will install new parts for engines that would otherwise not be able to meet NOx requirements without affecting mileage or performance.
Can we hold these big companies to the same standards you or I would be held to if we intentionally perpetrated millions of cases of fraud?
Sure, but shall we restrict that treatment to cases where companies actually intentionally perpetrated millions of cases of fraud? Not really applicable in this case.
I'm not even asking that the entire management and executive structure be sent to jail.
But then that would be a bit pointless. Most of them do not seem to have broken any laws as it stands.
Is that really so much to fucking ask?
Yes, since there is this thing called "equality under the law". Several of VW's competitors have done far worse things and got away with minor fines and no criminal prosecution for anyone involved. For example, General Motors did had a defeat device in a similar number of cars in the U.S. and it cost them a grand total of $45 million in fines, recalls and payments towards compensation projects.
given how lightly we treat car companies who deliberately decide that killing vehicle occupants is permissible, I doubt that we will do much to those who merely decide to kill members of the general breathing population.
Let's just bankrupt VW and bankrupt them now. Assess the maximum penalty per vehicle sold, don't allow vehicles to be registered unless they pass applicable emissions tests, and allow consumers to sue VW to recover damages in the event that VW can't deliver on its advertised performance specs while obeying the law.
Can we hold these big companies to the same standards you or I would be held to if we intentionally perpetrated millions of cases of fraud? I'm not even asking that the entire management and executive structure be sent to jail. I'm just asking that you take the toys away from the children who won't play nicely with them.
Is that really so much to fucking ask?
hold them to the same standards we apply to merchant banking. have the government repurchase all such cars at public expense and pay for reengineering a new generation, then give bonuses to all company executives and allow them to sue the government for emotional damages.
If you live in one of many states where there are coal fired electric plants grandfathered from before the clean air act (here in CT we have 5 of them) then your electric car is indeed significantly dirtier than a modern gasoline engine car. If you live in a hydropower or natural gas fueled electric state you can be snobby about your plug in electric. or solar or wind. oil fueled electric i'm not sure about.
Up to this point, I suspect all car manufacturers to cheat on emissions, except Tesla, maybe.
It's like in some sports where all world-class athletes use performance enhancing drugs in order to meet some naturally unrealistic goal.
I'm surprised that nobody so far has brought up benchmarking tests for software, and the tuning of software to maximize said test scores.
Consumer organisations warned from before these tests started that they would be falsified.
There were warnings that people would cheat on the SAT's too.
From testing by those consumer organisations we've know that the advertised numbers where bullshit.
Once people got into college it was quite clear that scores didn't match ability to perform.
What's the big difference between physical alterations to the car and software alterations?
Intentionally selecting a test that the student knows the answers of is cheating. Changing the way the test is graded so more answers are marked correct is cheating. The difference is the first inaccurately implies actual knowledge, while the other doesn't differentiate the ignorance inserted into it. The reason a software alteration is so bad is that as a society we tend to see the first and say, at least they
This is why we can't have gay marriage. People will cheat. And once the purchase is finalized, it will become clear that performance will not be as advertised.
What's the big difference between physical alterations to the car and software alterations?
Software alterations are easier to hide, won't be caught by most wrench-swinging mechanics, and can enable changes in hardware state on an if/then/else basis - i.e. software is perfectly suited to cheating emissions rules.
i'm amazed that at no point did they try to claim that they were hacked by North Korea
Absolutely, make sure the other players are obeying the law, and if not, fine and otherwise punish them in accordance with the law until they are in compliance.
Even if everyone else in the whole world is cheating on this test, it does not excuse VW for knowingly violating the law. Lots of people steal, lots of people murder, etc. If you steal, murder, etc. don't expect the rest of us to accept your excuse that lots of other people do it.
Yes, but.... the brilliance of the engineering to recognize the testing environment from real life driving! Hats off to the felons.
Evidently, the emission targets established by the EPA are a regulation too far.
Wonder if anyone if looking at Domestic companies. VW and Porsche are no slouch engineers. if they had to cheat to meet the regulations, who else is?
No, the regs were no problem; the problem is they had to cheat to avoid the tank of urea.
the ultimate goal at VW/Audi/Porsche was to beat Toyota for Biggest In World. Toyota was betting on hybrids; VW was going to go with diesel. They were sure they could hit equivalent mpg, and their intermediate goal was to avoid "customer abrasion"; i.e. the car had to be as convenient and comfortable and and pleasant etc as the gasoline engine. So, noise and roughness and such were engineered out. But the tank of urea for injection to eliminate NOX, as adopted by Mercedes for instance, was a stumbling block; it took up space and it needed refilling, so it violated that no customer abrasion rule, so they were going to engineer the NOX out without the urea injection. And....... that didn't happen. So the engineers (and probably half the management) went with the Kobayashi Maru scenario.
Probably doesn't hurt that the characteristics of a diesel engine that make it popular for over-the-road trucking (ie, long-term, long-operating durability) also are a good fit with endurance racing.
last time a diesel ran in the Indy 500 it was considered a serious contender for exactly those reasons (also, fuel mileage = fewer pit stops). but the designers for some reason put the (unfiltered) air intake at the bottom of the car, so once it had to run with all those other cars banging into each other and spitting out bits, its hours were numbered.
The rumor is, the rights for OS/2 are partially owned by Microsoft, and they won't agree to make it open source. Unless something changes, projects like this one make no sense.
That's not really a rumor. It was originally a joint project, until there was a disagreement and a splitting of ways. IBM continued on with a release as OS/2 and Microsoft released the "New Technology" NT kernel. There's likely joint ownership on a lot of the original kernel code.
OS/2 is relegated to neckbeard's still maintaining their Amigas and C/64 machines playing block/character graphics games.
I really don't think so. The commercial interest in OS/2 isn't in desktop use or retro computing, but embedded and industrial appliances where OS/2 thrived years after the general public had forgotten it.
This new release is about protecting investments in such OS/2 based equipment.
For me, Warp was a love-hate thing. I loved it compared to Win 3.11 for how it ran multiple programs and made good use of memory. I hated it because of the Matrox video card driver and having so many problems with networking. Hand editing net.cfg was so fun! I worked at HP at the time, and running OS/2 at work was an exercise in courage.
OS/2 is another example of the apparent axiom that the market will adopt the lesser of any two or more competing technologies. (i.e. windows). for instance, vhs; ibm PC architecture, and its corollary intel CPU, ms-dos , audio cassettes, 18 khz subcarrier FM radio, NTSC color TV, 40khz audio CD, etc.
It means someone meant to say 'positivity' and used the wrong word. Perhaps it's because Chrome's spell checker seems to think 'positivity' isn't a word (it's underlined in red as I type this post).
They should just have written "The OS/2 community has reacted to this news positively" which has the advantage of being normal English.
Although once you've written "the OS/2 community" you're pretty much in undefined territory anyway.
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You still have to turn pages manually, I had expected they would have automated that (well, perhaps better if you still want to return the book to the library later).
Any digital camera on a tripod can do the same thing.
Heck. Get a fine tooth saw blade and separate the pages from the spine, then load them into a scanner with a page feed.
Don't discount the possibility of an accident. Something very similar happened to China Airlines flight 611
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
A tail section badly repaired after a minor accident came off in mid-air. The airplane spun out of control and disintegrated before crashing into the ground. That fits this accident very well.
Without conclusive evidence of a bomb, I would be very careful to scream terrorism. Terrorists claiming responsibility doesn't mean a thing without evidence.
ValuJet Flight 592, blowing up in 1996 as a result of oxygen generators in the cargo being triggered accidentally.
I certainly wouldn't rule it out, but the evidence released seems pretty fitting to the bomb scenario as well. It's not just the "satellite recorded a heat signature bit" because that could have been the plane itself exploding, though. It's the fact that (according to what we've heard in the news) the plane broke up almost exactly when it reached a certain altitude. Why is this important? Because the single most effective way to trigger a bomb in an airliner is to tie it to an altimeter, so that the bomb will only go off once it's taken above the set height.
But the bomb also went off exactly at a certain time, at a certain latitude and longitude, when a certain passenger in a certain seat was handed a certain snack by a certain attendant, etc. etc. etc. including when a certain infant in a certain town in a certain state wet his or her diaper.
i.e. post hoc analysis of correlation is untrustworthy
Are these the same intelligence agencies that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? Trillions of dollars and millions of deaths later, I am not so fast to accept this convenient accusation.
Clearly Saddam's ghost used the WMD to blow up the plane.
Who cares how many years it spans - it's the number of flights that matters.
Yeah, convenient way to ignore the fact that to find the last Russian space fatality you have to go back over 40 years, whereas NASA space shuttles were blowing up as recently as 2003.
Yes, the fact that Russia has had a spotless record for over 40 years is completely irrelevant. What matters is that they had two fatal accidents in the 1960's.That makes them somehow worse, or at least no better than, a space agency that fatal accidents in 1986 and 2003.
The point is that nothing about their survived hours in flight paints a picture of the Russians being wildly more successful in that regard.
No, but the fact that Russia had almost every space first in the 1960's and 70's DOES paints a picture of an agency that has well-earned and deserves respect. You would think that the fact that Americans have to beg Russia for a ride to ISS these days would at least make Americans inclined to treat the Russian space program with a little of that respect. But never underestimate the self-aggrandizing delusion of the average American, or the lingering effect of bullshit Cold War propaganda on that national psyche. In American movies, the U.S. is still the king of space. In real life, you can't even put a human in low earth orbit anymore.
It's all Obama's fault.
That is irrelevant.
in fact, the company is a product of the german national culture, which is so primitive that they do not have the sense to just buy a solid majority of the legislature in any company they do business in and get laws passed that exempt them from everything under the sun, like we world leader countries do; instead they go with their own national strength, brilliant engineering; which might not be brilliant enough to solve the problem, but will be brilliant enough to cover it up.
But I don't want my tax money being used to fix your roads! I don't drive in your neighborhood so I don't care about your roads!
well, that's the ayn rand style free market small government utopia; one guy gets out there and fills the pothole in front of his house himself, then he sits on top of it on a folding chair, holding a shotgun and demanding everybody who drives down the street pay him. and if they don't want to, let them drive elsewhere.
clearly, if everybody did this instead of the nanny state sending its jackbooted thugs to fix all the potholes and get everybody to split the bill, our society would be so much further ahead in productivity and efficiency, and children would learn the value of self reliance instead of becoming lost in a culture of dependence.
This is probably the easiest money the US Government has ever made - with the exception of course of stealing 50% of everyone's income right off the top.
the government steals 50% of your income? you know that your mortgage payment is not a tax, right?
So is it still just a few nefarious software developers/Engineers fault and not anyone higher up the ladder?
turns out it was just Wolfgang over in shipping, who would flip the switch labeled "emissions cheating mode, do not engage" to on, because he thought it was turning the dome light off.
That's actually why I'm a bit skeptical of the EPA claims in this case. The EPA cites only the 2014 Touareg, 2015 Cayenne, and various 2016 Audi models for having the defeat device. But all three of those vehicle lines sharing the same engine all three years. If you found it on those specific vehicles, you'd expect to find it on all those vehicles for all three years because it's the same engine.
same reason Honda was forced to deal with self destructing transmissions in Accords, but not with the exact same transmission installed in Odysseys or ridgelines. if anyone ever finds out what that reason is please let us know.
Let's just bankrupt VW and bankrupt them now.
What would be gained by that? And how do you plan to bankrupt a company?
Assess the maximum penalty per vehicle sold, don't allow vehicles to be registered unless they pass applicable emissions tests, and allow consumers to sue VW to recover damages in the event that VW can't deliver on its advertised performance specs while obeying the law.
All of that is already being done. I don't think that VW is planning to reduce performance with the modifications or that the KBA would let them do that even if they wanted. They have already stated that they will install new parts for engines that would otherwise not be able to meet NOx requirements without affecting mileage or performance.
Can we hold these big companies to the same standards you or I would be held to if we intentionally perpetrated millions of cases of fraud?
Sure, but shall we restrict that treatment to cases where companies actually intentionally perpetrated millions of cases of fraud? Not really applicable in this case.
I'm not even asking that the entire management and executive structure be sent to jail.
But then that would be a bit pointless. Most of them do not seem to have broken any laws as it stands.
Is that really so much to fucking ask?
Yes, since there is this thing called "equality under the law". Several of VW's competitors have done far worse things and got away with minor fines and no criminal prosecution for anyone involved. For example, General Motors did had a defeat device in a similar number of cars in the U.S. and it cost them a grand total of $45 million in fines, recalls and payments towards compensation projects.
given how lightly we treat car companies who deliberately decide that killing vehicle occupants is permissible, I doubt that we will do much to those who merely decide to kill members of the general breathing population.
Let's just bankrupt VW and bankrupt them now. Assess the maximum penalty per vehicle sold, don't allow vehicles to be registered unless they pass applicable emissions tests, and allow consumers to sue VW to recover damages in the event that VW can't deliver on its advertised performance specs while obeying the law.
Can we hold these big companies to the same standards you or I would be held to if we intentionally perpetrated millions of cases of fraud? I'm not even asking that the entire management and executive structure be sent to jail. I'm just asking that you take the toys away from the children who won't play nicely with them.
Is that really so much to fucking ask?
hold them to the same standards we apply to merchant banking. have the government repurchase all such cars at public expense and pay for reengineering a new generation, then give bonuses to all company executives and allow them to sue the government for emotional damages.
If you live in one of many states where there are coal fired electric plants grandfathered from before the clean air act (here in CT we have 5 of them) then your electric car is indeed significantly dirtier than a modern gasoline engine car. If you live in a hydropower or natural gas fueled electric state you can be snobby about your plug in electric. or solar or wind. oil fueled electric i'm not sure about.
Up to this point, I suspect all car manufacturers to cheat on emissions, except Tesla, maybe. It's like in some sports where all world-class athletes use performance enhancing drugs in order to meet some naturally unrealistic goal.
I'm surprised that nobody so far has brought up benchmarking tests for software, and the tuning of software to maximize said test scores.
I don't understand this whole controversy.
Fair enough. How about an non-car analogy.
Consumer organisations warned from before these tests started that they would be falsified.
There were warnings that people would cheat on the SAT's too.
From testing by those consumer organisations we've know that the advertised numbers where bullshit.
Once people got into college it was quite clear that scores didn't match ability to perform.
What's the big difference between physical alterations to the car and software alterations?
Intentionally selecting a test that the student knows the answers of is cheating. Changing the way the test is graded so more answers are marked correct is cheating. The difference is the first inaccurately implies actual knowledge, while the other doesn't differentiate the ignorance inserted into it. The reason a software alteration is so bad is that as a society we tend to see the first and say, at least they
This is why we can't have gay marriage. People will cheat. And once the purchase is finalized, it will become clear that performance will not be as advertised.
What's the big difference between physical alterations to the car and software alterations?
Software alterations are easier to hide, won't be caught by most wrench-swinging mechanics, and can enable changes in hardware state on an if/then/else basis - i.e. software is perfectly suited to cheating emissions rules.
i'm amazed that at no point did they try to claim that they were hacked by North Korea
Absolutely, make sure the other players are obeying the law, and if not, fine and otherwise punish them in accordance with the law until they are in compliance.
Even if everyone else in the whole world is cheating on this test, it does not excuse VW for knowingly violating the law. Lots of people steal, lots of people murder, etc. If you steal, murder, etc. don't expect the rest of us to accept your excuse that lots of other people do it.
Yes, but.... the brilliance of the engineering to recognize the testing environment from real life driving! Hats off to the felons.
Evidently, the emission targets established by the EPA are a regulation too far.
Wonder if anyone if looking at Domestic companies. VW and Porsche are no slouch engineers. if they had to cheat to meet the regulations, who else is?
No, the regs were no problem; the problem is they had to cheat to avoid the tank of urea.
the ultimate goal at VW/Audi/Porsche was to beat Toyota for Biggest In World. Toyota was betting on hybrids; VW was going to go with diesel. They were sure they could hit equivalent mpg, and their intermediate goal was to avoid "customer abrasion"; i.e. the car had to be as convenient and comfortable and and pleasant etc as the gasoline engine. So, noise and roughness and such were engineered out. But the tank of urea for injection to eliminate NOX, as adopted by Mercedes for instance, was a stumbling block; it took up space and it needed refilling, so it violated that no customer abrasion rule, so they were going to engineer the NOX out without the urea injection. And....... that didn't happen. So the engineers (and probably half the management) went with the Kobayashi Maru scenario.
Probably doesn't hurt that the characteristics of a diesel engine that make it popular for over-the-road trucking (ie, long-term, long-operating durability) also are a good fit with endurance racing.
last time a diesel ran in the Indy 500 it was considered a serious contender for exactly those reasons (also, fuel mileage = fewer pit stops). but the designers for some reason put the (unfiltered) air intake at the bottom of the car, so once it had to run with all those other cars banging into each other and spitting out bits, its hours were numbered.
The rumor is, the rights for OS/2 are partially owned by Microsoft, and they won't agree to make it open source. Unless something changes, projects like this one make no sense.
That's not really a rumor. It was originally a joint project, until there was a disagreement and a splitting of ways. IBM continued on with a release as OS/2 and Microsoft released the "New Technology" NT kernel. There's likely joint ownership on a lot of the original kernel code.
Thus the name; "Oh, a stew".
my closet full of thinkpad 701s will return!! after that, my Osborne!!
OS/2 is relegated to neckbeard's still maintaining their Amigas and C/64 machines playing block/character graphics games.
I really don't think so. The commercial interest in OS/2 isn't in desktop use or retro computing, but embedded and industrial appliances where OS/2 thrived years after the general public had forgotten it.
This new release is about protecting investments in such OS/2 based equipment.
didn't ATMs run OS/2?
Don't get too excited, it probably means, like Windows 10, GNOME, and Unity, they're going to graft a hybrid tablet+desktop UI onto OS/2 as well...
I for one welcome our new OS/2 smartphone overlords.
For me, Warp was a love-hate thing. I loved it compared to Win 3.11 for how it ran multiple programs and made good use of memory. I hated it because of the Matrox video card driver and having so many problems with networking. Hand editing net.cfg was so fun! I worked at HP at the time, and running OS/2 at work was an exercise in courage.
OS/2 is another example of the apparent axiom that the market will adopt the lesser of any two or more competing technologies. (i.e. windows). for instance, vhs; ibm PC architecture, and its corollary intel CPU, ms-dos , audio cassettes, 18 khz subcarrier FM radio, NTSC color TV, 40khz audio CD, etc.
It means someone meant to say 'positivity' and used the wrong word. Perhaps it's because Chrome's spell checker seems to think 'positivity' isn't a word (it's underlined in red as I type this post).
They should just have written "The OS/2 community has reacted to this news positively" which has the advantage of being normal English.
Although once you've written "the OS/2 community" you're pretty much in undefined territory anyway.