You are uniformed sorry. The framework SDK is out in beta. It's gonna happen. simply because there's a lot of steam behind this. MS is betting the farm on this, it's not just another software release. And the fact that someone outside of MS is trying to replicate it gives the idea even more credibility. At the very least know the target you attack.
I code in Java and C# by the way and I know one thing..computers suck.
My company uses a MOO for collaboration among the developers and managers. We are a relatively small company (75 employees) and although our MOO takes some getting used to (especially by non-techies) it is great place to collaborate in a way that IRC or other tools cannot. It also serves as a great place to learn OO programming for our newer developers, allowing them to create their own unique personality, dwellings/spaces, and objects.
I doubt that our MOO will last forever, eventually giving way to more integrated tools, but it gets the job done just fine for now.
If Im not mistaken this is made of corn, or as the Native Americans called it..maize. Can you back any of these accusations up with fact or is this all just the typical rhetoric? Some US websites do run Apache on *nix machines and they have been hacked (read:whitehouse.gov).
"and yet still want to play tones of Flash which bored readers" what?
I just wanted to say this has happened for quite a long time. Apparently this has been changed with the influx of new registrars. fucksprint.com
registered by alt.2600 is one example.
But anyway, I tried to register a equally foul domain name a few years ago and NSi rejected it for the same reasons. I then got pissed and contacted the ACLU which said they would not help because NSI is a corporation and can basically set their own policies. I tried to explain that they had locked the entire registration process down (at the time they did) and had a monopoly on the registration. Makes sense. They had bigger wars to wage at the time also.
Oh well, it was a nice try and eventually enough people like myself screaming that "NSI sucks!" changed things. Now that I can do it I really don't want to.
What if Einstein was restricted to reading fiction only? What about all our great explorers of the mind/reality? Thinking outside of reality is fiction. Adding scientific accuracy to this is science fiction. Can you clearly define the line between Camelot (A place that never existed) and Star Wars (just another place that never existed)?
Science fiction is stuck in reality. It is tied to reality. The science backs up the fiction but it's simply a artistic tool used to accentuate the circumstances. In DUNE the underlying theme is not "look at this fantastic world removed from reality", it's "look at this fantastic story of a boy's journey to manhood and the people's basic need for freedom of thought"
*note - when totally left to their own devices, teenagers inevitabley will find trouble. I think even if you simply gave them two sticks and nothing else they would somehow find a way to burn the house down:-) It's simply part of becoming an adult and defining the line between what is ideal, or fantasy, and the hard truth of reality.
That is the exact same thing I thought! How in the world do you create an animated worm that looks so incredible and looks fantastic, yet the vehicles they were flying in looked like canned models downloaded off of a teenagers website!
Sci-Fi is notorious for having budget restrictions, whether it's a movie or just a TV series, leaving a lot up to the imagination of the viewer (Look at the original Star Wars, ugh). But never the less I am now a DUNE Fan.
Why don't we rephrase the question to say "My company wants to use a Microsoft product and I am a *nix zealot. How can I convince my company that switching to anything else besides *nix is wrong?"
Im sick of zealot BS posted everytime just to slam MS. why? Is sun realy any better? Or redhat? ot any other software company that has the intent to sell a commercial product? The fact is use your best business judgement for each individual situation.
You cant just make broad swipes across the board deciding what is right for every situation. Simply view the software for what it really is - a tool. Not a personal look into who or what you are.
Everytime I reply i feel like I should put some kind of "microsoft sucks, waaaah" in my response to get a higher rating.
Anyway, there is another use of web services that I wanted to point out. Lets say you want to implement an email service that developers can use to send and recieve mail within their applications, whether they be web based, wap(hope not), desktop client, whatever. You can create your own web service that would provide this to any app that supports SOAP. No longer would you have to go through a library, third party component, or any other method just to access a SMTP server. You could simply write your own this into any client that supports SOAP. If you wanted to you COULD use an outside service to provide this for you, like an ISP for instance, OR you could do it internally writing your own web service.
Honestly I'm really not concerned about MS's effort to put this forward because others are involved with just as much pull and an interest to keep it cross platform. it might not be the best solution when compared to CORBA, EJB, RMI, DCOM(hahaha) or any other binary based messaging but SOAP is a step in the right direction. Hopefully one day we can create a place where all applications can talk with each other regardless of corporate bias, OS, machine type, etc.
If your not going to buy the PS2 then can I get yours? They are pretty hard to get now:-)
There is always scarifice when it comes to society. Everyone can preach on what is possible and what should be. But the fact of the matter is we live (or at least I) in a society that is powered by the exhange of money for goods. We can easily abandon this as soon as everyone is considered equal and everyone puts in the same effort. In other words never.
I finally realized the difference between what would be ideal and what really is when I came to my 3rd month in jail. I have since gave up on fighting a system from without and decided to fight from within. I have learned two things since then - You can only fight fire with fire and nobody listens to zealots
I seriouls doubt this will make any kind of impact but I never the less decided to give my two cents.
Why is it everytime someone is asked to do anything on a windows platform it becomes a huge problem? To say this limits you is not realistic. If anything it will help you in your career. Do you think *nix systems run completely autonomous from the rest of the world? Are you above developing on a windows platform?
The point is - Most Enterprise systems are comprised of multiple systems using different OS's. Before anyone would even think of giving you the alpha geek title you have to master development across all major platforms with more than just one language/environment. You have to know the in's and out's of every system. Every drawback, every advantage. No system is perfect. None. People need to get off their high horses and get in touch with reality.
Do I develop on *nix. Yes. Do I develop on Windows, yes. Do I prefer one over the other? Of course. But that is MY preference, and sometimes it does not sync with the real world. I don't throw a fit. I learn. I adapt. So basically - deal with it. It certainly couldn't hurt to learn something. It isn't ideals 101. It's reality 101.
I usually don't post but I had to this time. I use Deja allot and personally I don't think I want my post filled with links to ads. I really don't care about how deja will make another buck.
Can you spell m0dem?
The fact is unless people complain VERY loudly, nothing will change. Corporations will just keep taking more and more. They don't stop because they don't have to. To fight crap like this you have to use the system.. simply don't use them anymore. I know it sucks, but it's the price you have to pay.
The best way to help insure success is to get some outside help. Find someone who has experience with a large or semi-large website and seek their assistance. Their experience will help forsee potential pitfalls and problems. Another suggestion would be to control growth. Don't jump right in and expect the world to be beating down the webserver. Take your time and concetrate on the site and it's customers, not on Venture Cap or when you plan to go IPO. This is a common pitfall today. So many people want a peice of the Internet pie that they don't take the time to concentrate on the task at hand- building a great web site. But on to the architecture. I disagree with most previous responses when it comes to bandwidth. Don't go and buy a t-1 for one website. For the same price you can host with a high end hosting company like Fontier Global or UUnet and get not only hosting but content replication and load balancing services wrapped in. Here are some key questions to consider: 1. Content - does the site have the ability for content producers to add content easily? 2. Scalability - Does the site architecture have the ability to scale easily? When do you forsee this? (spec this out as it's very important) 3. Administration - How easy is the site to maintain? Make sure the architecture is easy to maintain so you can focus on more important issues (who wants to remove/add users all day when it can be automated?) These are not all the questions you should ask but they are a start. Again I'd recommend either hiring or finding someone willing to volunteer with exerience in building large scale sites. HTH,
Slashdot Mirror
troll or not.. I'm sick of slashdrones. If you have a better idea than Mono or DotGNU then stop talking and make it or STFU.
Wanna innovate? Put your money where your mouth is and do something!
You are uniformed sorry. The framework SDK is out in beta. It's gonna happen. simply because there's a lot of steam behind this. MS is betting the farm on this, it's not just another software release. And the fact that someone outside of MS is trying to replicate it gives the idea even more credibility. At the very least know the target you attack.
I code in Java and C# by the way and I know one thing..computers suck.
"He has single-handedly rendered entire news groups suitable only for spam and porn"
I knew there was someone was behind this!
My company uses a MOO for collaboration among the developers and managers. We are a relatively small company (75 employees) and although our MOO takes some getting used to (especially by non-techies) it is great place to collaborate in a way that IRC or other tools cannot. It also serves as a great place to learn OO programming for our newer developers, allowing them to create their own unique personality, dwellings/spaces, and objects.
I doubt that our MOO will last forever, eventually giving way to more integrated tools, but it gets the job done just fine for now.
If Im not mistaken this is made of corn, or as the Native Americans called it..maize. Can you back any of these accusations up with fact or is this all just the typical rhetoric? Some US websites do run Apache on *nix machines and they have been hacked (read:whitehouse.gov).
"and yet still want to play tones of Flash which bored readers"
what?
Is this is just an opinion or fact? cause it just looks like corn, or as the native americans called it maize.
I just wanted to say this has happened for quite a long time. Apparently this has been changed with the influx of new registrars. fucksprint.com registered by alt.2600 is one example.
But anyway, I tried to register a equally foul domain name a few years ago and NSi rejected it for the same reasons. I then got pissed and contacted the ACLU which said they would not help because NSI is a corporation and can basically set their own policies. I tried to explain that they had locked the entire registration process down (at the time they did) and had a monopoly on the registration. Makes sense. They had bigger wars to wage at the time also.
Oh well, it was a nice try and eventually enough people like myself screaming that "NSI sucks!" changed things. Now that I can do it I really don't want to.
- just my little tid bit
What if Einstein was restricted to reading fiction only? What about all our great explorers of the mind/reality? Thinking outside of reality is fiction. Adding scientific accuracy to this is science fiction. Can you clearly define the line between Camelot (A place that never existed) and Star Wars (just another place that never existed)?
:-) It's simply part of becoming an adult and defining the line between what is ideal, or fantasy, and the hard truth of reality.
Science fiction is stuck in reality. It is tied to reality. The science backs up the fiction but it's simply a artistic tool used to accentuate the circumstances. In DUNE the underlying theme is not "look at this fantastic world removed from reality", it's "look at this fantastic story of a boy's journey to manhood and the people's basic need for freedom of thought"
*note - when totally left to their own devices, teenagers inevitabley will find trouble. I think even if you simply gave them two sticks and nothing else they would somehow find a way to burn the house down
That is the exact same thing I thought! How in the world do you create an animated worm that looks so incredible and looks fantastic, yet the vehicles they were flying in looked like canned models downloaded off of a teenagers website! Sci-Fi is notorious for having budget restrictions, whether it's a movie or just a TV series, leaving a lot up to the imagination of the viewer (Look at the original Star Wars, ugh). But never the less I am now a DUNE Fan.
I'm seriously not trying to bait anyone here but
Why don't we rephrase the question to say "My company wants to use a Microsoft product and I am a *nix zealot. How can I convince my company that switching to anything else besides *nix is wrong?" Im sick of zealot BS posted everytime just to slam MS. why? Is sun realy any better? Or redhat? ot any other software company that has the intent to sell a commercial product? The fact is use your best business judgement for each individual situation.
You cant just make broad swipes across the board deciding what is right for every situation. Simply view the software for what it really is - a tool. Not a personal look into who or what you are.
Everytime I reply i feel like I should put some kind of "microsoft sucks, waaaah" in my response to get a higher rating.
Anyway, there is another use of web services that I wanted to point out. Lets say you want to implement an email service that developers can use to send and recieve mail within their applications, whether they be web based, wap(hope not), desktop client, whatever. You can create your own web service that would provide this to any app that supports SOAP. No longer would you have to go through a library, third party component, or any other method just to access a SMTP server. You could simply write your own this into any client that supports SOAP. If you wanted to you COULD use an outside service to provide this for you, like an ISP for instance, OR you could do it internally writing your own web service.
Honestly I'm really not concerned about MS's effort to put this forward because others are involved with just as much pull and an interest to keep it cross platform. it might not be the best solution when compared to CORBA, EJB, RMI, DCOM(hahaha) or any other binary based messaging but SOAP is a step in the right direction. Hopefully one day we can create a place where all applications can talk with each other regardless of corporate bias, OS, machine type, etc.
If your not going to buy the PS2 then can I get yours? They are pretty hard to get now :-)
There is always scarifice when it comes to society. Everyone can preach on what is possible and what should be. But the fact of the matter is we live (or at least I) in a society that is powered by the exhange of money for goods. We can easily abandon this as soon as everyone is considered equal and everyone puts in the same effort. In other words never.
I finally realized the difference between what would be ideal and what really is when I came to my 3rd month in jail. I have since gave up on fighting a system from without and decided to fight from within. I have learned two things since then - You can only fight fire with fire and nobody listens to zealots
I seriouls doubt this will make any kind of impact but I never the less decided to give my two cents.
Why is it everytime someone is asked to do anything on a windows platform it becomes a huge problem? To say this limits you is not realistic. If anything it will help you in your career. Do you think *nix systems run completely autonomous from the rest of the world? Are you above developing on a windows platform?
The point is - Most Enterprise systems are comprised of multiple systems using different OS's. Before anyone would even think of giving you the alpha geek title you have to master development across all major platforms with more than just one language/environment. You have to know the in's and out's of every system. Every drawback, every advantage. No system is perfect. None. People need to get off their high horses and get in touch with reality.
Do I develop on *nix. Yes. Do I develop on Windows, yes. Do I prefer one over the other? Of course. But that is MY preference, and sometimes it does not sync with the real world. I don't throw a fit. I learn. I adapt. So basically - deal with it. It certainly couldn't hurt to learn something. It isn't ideals 101. It's reality 101.
I usually don't post but I had to this time. I use Deja allot and personally I don't think I want my post filled with links to ads. I really don't care about how deja will make another buck.
Can you spell m0dem?
The fact is unless people complain VERY loudly, nothing will change. Corporations will just keep taking more and more. They don't stop because they don't have to. To fight crap like this you have to use the system.. simply don't use them anymore. I know it sucks, but it's the price you have to pay.
-e2d2
The best way to help insure success is to get some outside help. Find someone who has experience with a large or semi-large website and seek their assistance. Their experience will help forsee potential pitfalls and problems. Another suggestion would be to control growth. Don't jump right in and expect the world to be beating down the webserver. Take your time and concetrate on the site and it's customers, not on Venture Cap or when you plan to go IPO. This is a common pitfall today. So many people want a peice of the Internet pie that they don't take the time to concentrate on the task at hand- building a great web site. But on to the architecture. I disagree with most previous responses when it comes to bandwidth. Don't go and buy a t-1 for one website. For the same price you can host with a high end hosting company like Fontier Global or UUnet and get not only hosting but content replication and load balancing services wrapped in. Here are some key questions to consider: 1. Content - does the site have the ability for content producers to add content easily? 2. Scalability - Does the site architecture have the ability to scale easily? When do you forsee this? (spec this out as it's very important) 3. Administration - How easy is the site to maintain? Make sure the architecture is easy to maintain so you can focus on more important issues (who wants to remove/add users all day when it can be automated?) These are not all the questions you should ask but they are a start. Again I'd recommend either hiring or finding someone willing to volunteer with exerience in building large scale sites. HTH,