Or given Microsoft's continual appeals and non-payment, are there any other penalties they can exact, such as suspending the business license for Microsoft's European branch?
This is wishful thinking on your part. Just wait till the next trade deal is up for negotiation and see if the US president doesn't lean in hard on the Europeans.
I wouldn't just count the time it takes to get a login prompt in vista. After you enter your login and password I'd say it takes at least another 30s before the hard drive stops rattling and you can get firefox up and running.
Load of crap. They've done experiments where they take a minority into a rich white home. And yeah, they improve. But when a poor white is put into a rich white home they end up with higher IQ scores than the minorities in rich white homes.
Ok time to take a Karma hit for telling the truth. Minorities have been screaming for years that the SAT Math section somehow discriminates against them because their scores are so low. So they had no choice but to dumb them down. The more you lower the maximum score, the more equal everyone's score is.
Welcome to the wonderful world of multiculturalism and affirmative action.
I use Linux at home and I got to agree that he's living in a fantasy land. Linux has less than 1% of the desktop market last I saw. When at least 10% of the desktops sold have Linux on them, Ill start to believe in Microsoft's death. Hell, their nearest competition is Apple at some 7%
Let's assume the test is on the level of the SAT. I doubt it's anyway near that difficulty since these are tests of basic skills. When I took the SAT it was basically HS algebra + HS geometry - Trig/complex numbers/induction/etc. So you had to stop teaching people so that you could keep them from bombing a test covering that material? I stand by the assertion that they were completely unprepared for any other material if they needed serious help doing well on a test like that.
Yeah, your students were really ready to handle Newtonian physics when they didn't know any trig, and they needed special tutoring for basic algebra. No trig means they will be solving 1D problems.
You gotta be kidding about speed-filling dots on the SATs. You either know the answers to the questions or you don't. The amount of time filling circles is very insignificant to the time spent solving.
Time you spend on "test-taking skills" is time you're not spending getting your students to really have a fundamental grounding in trig or something.
Spend more time making sure they have a mastery of the subject and then they won't need "test-taking skills."
But don't take my word for it - talk to a first-year calculus or physics professor. Ask them about how students are coming in from high school and they need to go over the unit circle with them in calc. 101
Well then maybe they should force people to take the math achievement test if they want students with basic math skills.
ou contradict yourself when you mention differing abilities of students and then commend standardized testing.
No I don't. I said that if someone can't keep up, then you get rid of them: why waste good money trying to turn a natural-born ditch-digger into a scientist..it will never happen. I didn't mention it in my original post but I'd also move the top students away from the majority..they are too valuable to be held back by the majority.
So in summary, the left end of the bell curve get thrown out of school since schooling them is pointless. The right side of the curve go to gifted schools. And the middle section go to average schools.
And quit with all the bullcrap that a student can't learn anything unless they are showered with money, the best schools, the latest computers, etc. I went to Caltech and didn't grow up with any silver spoon in my mouth. Every toilet in my school was clogged with stuff that would make any sane person puke to look at. The walls had holes in them, etc. However, I could easily go to the library and get all the education I needed for free. I knew another guy at Caltech that was so poor his family lived out of a car. He was by far the smartest guy I ever met.
I have a sister who is a teacher. And most of your points don't make sense.
I can give you lots of examples where I wanted to spend more time on making sure a student had a genuinely good fundamental comprehension of a subject, to make sure that they'd be properly prepared for university level courses, but because of preparing for standardized tests I had to settle for a 'good enough' rote repetition approach.
So basically you didn't have time to teach people what you wanted to teach them because they had failed to already learn the basic material which is covered by the tests.
And from the way you quickly started teaching towards the test, you yourself knew that they were completely unprepared to show a knowledge of basic skills. So either way they test completely succeeded. Either 1) your students failed - demonstrating that they were not learning required and basic material or 2) they passed - showing they had learned the material (something they wouldn't have if you hadn't started cramming them for the test.)
Yeah, all those H1B sure did a tremendous job on Vista. Thank God for all those highly skilled H1B developers or the technological wonder that is Vista might not have been produced
There are *tens of thousands* of highly educated people who are graduating from universities around the world every year. Loss of these people means giving the leg up to some other country out there,
Yeah, I just loved the way I used to sit in Bay Area traffic for 1 hour (this is not a lie) to go 5 miles. And I love having all these gazillions of people moving into my area increasing the pollution levels, causing housing shortages, causing water shortages, power shortages, gasoline shortages, food shortages, etc. There are enough people in the US. We dont want to become a swelling heap of humanity like China or India.
The US became the world leader in technology long before we let any h1b in. We don't need them. They aren't very good anyway, if they were, why do they need to come here for training?
The real problem is that people think that all people are equal. It just isn't true. Some people are just dumb and/or lazy. They can't learn anything. Keeping them in school is the worst possible thing you can do. They are enraged at how they repeatedly fail, so they just disrupt the school. The best option is just to chuck them out as soon as possible
And there is nothing wrong with standardized tests. "teaching to the test" is a pretty silly cliche. These standardized tests have questions about BASIC math and BASIC reading. If a school isn't teaching this, then what in the hell ARE they teaching? If a school can't get their students to pass these simple tests then 1) the students are idiots 2) the teachers are idiots 3) both of the above
Not knowing what exactly "COSA" was, I did the sensible thing and wiki'd it.
I got the same wiki about sex addiction. After looking at his crackpot site I found out that this miracle called COSA is just a fancy name for graphical programming and data-driven languages (basically what LabView does.) Or what a schematic diagram does.
Guy clearly never used a schematic diagram or he'd know how painful they are compared to doing the same thing in a normal language like VHDL. Need to add an extra input to one of your functions? UH OH!! Time to tear up all your connectors and sit for 1/2 hour redrawing lines. Same thing would take 5s (literally) in VHDL.
Hopefully, the hospital this guy escaped from finds him and returns him to his cell.
Gnome has a reputation for being more stable than KDE. On the downside it doesn't have as many features as KDE. (I'm on Gnome, I'm jealous of those sexy screenshots.)
Kind of makes sense that with most of the money coming from business they would rather have something more solid than feature-rich. But this is just a guess on my part.
It seems pretty cool. Could be fun to program in an editor that will take advantage of it. My worry is with having to buy an expensive new monitor to use it.
You're misunderstanding. Im not saying janitors, etc are h1-b. Im saying that in determining if a company is "h1b dependent", the company's entire workforce is used in calculating the percentage.
It's not really our problem if Google is successfully hiring Indian engineers for $100K+ a pop, and you can't get an interview with them. I like how you start out telling me I blame immigrants for everything and how you are so above that. Then you fire off a personal attack, and a false one. I make over 100k and I wouldn't want to work for Google since I like working on firmware/hardware. And in crunch time I work some insane hours, and unlike you I do it out of a sense of responsibility and not to make a quick buck.
and companies like MS
Yeah, those elite H1B's sure did a good job with Vista. The "elite of the world" sure did a bang-up job on that one with their tremendous work ethic. I never bothered with Linux before, but Vista finally forced me to leave Microsoft and never return.
So yes, increasing supply while increasing demand is perfectly healthy.
Numerous studies show that in IT the wages are stagnant. How about you quit dancing around facts and explain how if demand is rising, wages arent rising as well?
People come to America because of opportunity, and due to politics, war, and other factors, such opportunities simply are not available in their own countries.
Yeah, they have war, no opportunity, etc because people like them live there. We want to keep those problems away from here.
Helloooooo outsourcing.
Yeah, and what caused outsourcing? The H1b. I used to work at a place with a bunch of H1b. Thank God I left. Teaching "the elite of the world" basic crap they should have learned in college was getting on my nerves. And the ones in the offshore sites were even worse. It's a miracle none of them ever choked to death by forgetting to breathe.
Not a single one is considered "cheap labor"; they are paid as much as their local, home-bred American counterparts.
Yeah right. But let's assume you are correct. What happens when you increase the supply of anything? It's price goes down. And we see that with stagnant wages.
The job crunch is not due to people like us "stealing" your jobs, it's due to your flaccid economy to begin with
But I thought you guys said that for every one of you we bring in it creates 10 more American jobs. So how did employment possibly go down. Hell we should have 0% unemployment and skyrocketing wages.
Might I remind you that America's initial ascent to world superpower was largely powered by foreign immigration? After WW2 we moved a great many scientists and engineers out from Europe, and they in turn have paid their dues to America.
Yeah, and none of them were h1b's.
And quit with the hard work crap. Nice stereotype that Americans are so lazy. If we're so lazy compared to you then why are all your countries so primitive compared to the US? Shouldn't all the jobs be in the H1b countries since they have such superior work ethic?
Also in order to sponsor an H-1b applicant a company is supposed to provide proof that they could not hire a US citizen for the job.
That isn't true. All they have to do legally is attest that they are paying the prevailing wage. In fact if a US citizen and an h1b with equal qualifications show up, the company can hire the h1b and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Every time an attempt to add a provision like that has been attempted, Congress has shot it down.
H1-B visas can only encompass a relatively small percentage of the work force (something between 15-33% depending on company size for H1B dependent employers.)
Yeah sure. Too bad that number is taken to include the janitors, secretaries, marketing, sales, etc in the whole company. That's why a company hiring them full-tilt,like Microsoft, isn't legally an h1b dependent employer.
I don't get this attitude. More people move to Linux ==> Linux is more commercially viable ==> More development of Linux and more apps for Linux.
The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. I wish I could work on Linux at work, but because of its tiny market share, I can't get the compilers/CAD tools necessary. So I'm forced to be on Windows with Cygwin.
It's not that they are trying to get the advertising money. It's that they don't like the directions google is moving in. Google Docs is a threat to both their Office revenues and their OS revenues (if an app is web based you don't need to use one operating system over another.)
all MSN/Live has done is make a rather poor clone of Yahoo
Just a slight correction to what you are saying. www.msn.com looks like Yahoo! but they also run www.live.com which is meant to mimic the google style. Microsoft marketing is confusing and uses the term "live" for their search engine and for their online endeavors.
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This is wishful thinking on your part. Just wait till the next trade deal is up for negotiation and see if the US president doesn't lean in hard on the Europeans.
I wouldn't just count the time it takes to get a login prompt in vista. After you enter your login and password I'd say it takes at least another 30s before the hard drive stops rattling and you can get firefox up and running.
Load of crap. They've done experiments where they take a minority into a rich white home. And yeah, they improve. But when a poor white is put into a rich white home they end up with higher IQ scores than the minorities in rich white homes.
Ok time to take a Karma hit for telling the truth. Minorities have been screaming for years that the SAT Math section somehow discriminates against them because their scores are so low. So they had no choice but to dumb them down. The more you lower the maximum score, the more equal everyone's score is.
Welcome to the wonderful world of multiculturalism and affirmative action.
I use Linux at home and I got to agree that he's living in a fantasy land. Linux has less than 1% of the desktop market last I saw. When at least 10% of the desktops sold have Linux on them, Ill start to believe in Microsoft's death. Hell, their nearest competition is Apple at some 7%
Let's assume the test is on the level of the SAT. I doubt it's anyway near that difficulty since these are tests of basic skills. When I took the SAT it was basically HS algebra + HS geometry - Trig/complex numbers/induction/etc. So you had to stop teaching people so that you could keep them from bombing a test covering that material? I stand by the assertion that they were completely unprepared for any other material if they needed serious help doing well on a test like that.
Yeah, your students were really ready to handle Newtonian physics when they didn't know any trig, and they needed special tutoring for basic algebra. No trig means they will be solving 1D problems.
You gotta be kidding about speed-filling dots on the SATs. You either know the answers to the questions or you don't. The amount of time filling circles is very insignificant to the time spent solving.
Time you spend on "test-taking skills" is time you're not spending getting your students to really have a fundamental grounding in trig or something.Spend more time making sure they have a mastery of the subject and then they won't need "test-taking skills."
But don't take my word for it - talk to a first-year calculus or physics professor. Ask them about how students are coming in from high school and they need to go over the unit circle with them in calc. 101Well then maybe they should force people to take the math achievement test if they want students with basic math skills.
No I don't. I said that if someone can't keep up, then you get rid of them: why waste good money trying to turn a natural-born ditch-digger into a scientist..it will never happen. I didn't mention it in my original post but I'd also move the top students away from the majority..they are too valuable to be held back by the majority.
So in summary, the left end of the bell curve get thrown out of school since schooling them is pointless. The right side of the curve go to gifted schools. And the middle section go to average schools.
And quit with all the bullcrap that a student can't learn anything unless they are showered with money, the best schools, the latest computers, etc. I went to Caltech and didn't grow up with any silver spoon in my mouth. Every toilet in my school was clogged with stuff that would make any sane person puke to look at. The walls had holes in them, etc. However, I could easily go to the library and get all the education I needed for free. I knew another guy at Caltech that was so poor his family lived out of a car. He was by far the smartest guy I ever met.
I have a sister who is a teacher. And most of your points don't make sense.
I can give you lots of examples where I wanted to spend more time on making sure a student had a genuinely good fundamental comprehension of a subject, to make sure that they'd be properly prepared for university level courses, but because of preparing for standardized tests I had to settle for a 'good enough' rote repetition approach.So basically you didn't have time to teach people what you wanted to teach them because they had failed to already learn the basic material which is covered by the tests.
And from the way you quickly started teaching towards the test, you yourself knew that they were completely unprepared to show a knowledge of basic skills. So either way they test completely succeeded. Either 1) your students failed - demonstrating that they were not learning required and basic material or 2) they passed - showing they had learned the material (something they wouldn't have if you hadn't started cramming them for the test.)
Yeah, all those H1B sure did a tremendous job on Vista. Thank God for all those highly skilled H1B developers or the technological wonder that is Vista might not have been produced
There are *tens of thousands* of highly educated people who are graduating from universities around the world every year. Loss of these people means giving the leg up to some other country out there,Yeah, I just loved the way I used to sit in Bay Area traffic for 1 hour (this is not a lie) to go 5 miles. And I love having all these gazillions of people moving into my area increasing the pollution levels, causing housing shortages, causing water shortages, power shortages, gasoline shortages, food shortages, etc. There are enough people in the US. We dont want to become a swelling heap of humanity like China or India.
The US became the world leader in technology long before we let any h1b in. We don't need them. They aren't very good anyway, if they were, why do they need to come here for training?
The real problem is that people think that all people are equal. It just isn't true. Some people are just dumb and/or lazy. They can't learn anything. Keeping them in school is the worst possible thing you can do. They are enraged at how they repeatedly fail, so they just disrupt the school. The best option is just to chuck them out as soon as possible
And there is nothing wrong with standardized tests. "teaching to the test" is a pretty silly cliche. These standardized tests have questions about BASIC math and BASIC reading. If a school isn't teaching this, then what in the hell ARE they teaching? If a school can't get their students to pass these simple tests then 1) the students are idiots 2) the teachers are idiots 3) both of the above
Anyone know if Dell gives you a real Ubuntu installation, or do they load up the desktop with a bunch of ad programs?
Labview and schematic hardware diagrams already exist. Cosa is nothing new or innovative.
I got the same wiki about sex addiction. After looking at his crackpot site I found out that this miracle called COSA is just a fancy name for graphical programming and data-driven languages (basically what LabView does.) Or what a schematic diagram does.
Guy clearly never used a schematic diagram or he'd know how painful they are compared to doing the same thing in a normal language like VHDL. Need to add an extra input to one of your functions? UH OH!! Time to tear up all your connectors and sit for 1/2 hour redrawing lines. Same thing would take 5s (literally) in VHDL.
Hopefully, the hospital this guy escaped from finds him and returns him to his cell.
Gnome has a reputation for being more stable than KDE. On the downside it doesn't have as many features as KDE. (I'm on Gnome, I'm jealous of those sexy screenshots.)
Kind of makes sense that with most of the money coming from business they would rather have something more solid than feature-rich. But this is just a guess on my part.
You make it sound so dirty :(
It seems pretty cool. Could be fun to program in an editor that will take advantage of it. My worry is with having to buy an expensive new monitor to use it.
You're misunderstanding. Im not saying janitors, etc are h1-b. Im saying that in determining if a company is "h1b dependent", the company's entire workforce is used in calculating the percentage.
Yeah, those elite H1B's sure did a good job with Vista. The "elite of the world" sure did a bang-up job on that one with their tremendous work ethic. I never bothered with Linux before, but Vista finally forced me to leave Microsoft and never return.
So yes, increasing supply while increasing demand is perfectly healthy.Numerous studies show that in IT the wages are stagnant. How about you quit dancing around facts and explain how if demand is rising, wages arent rising as well?
People come to America because of opportunity, and due to politics, war, and other factors, such opportunities simply are not available in their own countries.Yeah, they have war, no opportunity, etc because people like them live there. We want to keep those problems away from here.
Helloooooo outsourcing.Yeah, and what caused outsourcing? The H1b. I used to work at a place with a bunch of H1b. Thank God I left. Teaching "the elite of the world" basic crap they should have learned in college was getting on my nerves. And the ones in the offshore sites were even worse. It's a miracle none of them ever choked to death by forgetting to breathe.
Yeah right. But let's assume you are correct. What happens when you increase the supply of anything? It's price goes down. And we see that with stagnant wages.
The job crunch is not due to people like us "stealing" your jobs, it's due to your flaccid economy to begin withBut I thought you guys said that for every one of you we bring in it creates 10 more American jobs. So how did employment possibly go down. Hell we should have 0% unemployment and skyrocketing wages.
Might I remind you that America's initial ascent to world superpower was largely powered by foreign immigration? After WW2 we moved a great many scientists and engineers out from Europe, and they in turn have paid their dues to America.Yeah, and none of them were h1b's.
And quit with the hard work crap. Nice stereotype that Americans are so lazy. If we're so lazy compared to you then why are all your countries so primitive compared to the US? Shouldn't all the jobs be in the H1b countries since they have such superior work ethic?
That isn't true. All they have to do legally is attest that they are paying the prevailing wage. In fact if a US citizen and an h1b with equal qualifications show up, the company can hire the h1b and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Every time an attempt to add a provision like that has been attempted, Congress has shot it down.
Yeah sure. Too bad that number is taken to include the janitors, secretaries, marketing, sales, etc in the whole company. That's why a company hiring them full-tilt ,like Microsoft, isn't legally an h1b dependent employer.
I don't get this attitude. More people move to Linux ==> Linux is more commercially viable ==> More development of Linux and more apps for Linux.
The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. I wish I could work on Linux at work, but because of its tiny market share, I can't get the compilers/CAD tools necessary. So I'm forced to be on Windows with Cygwin.
It's not that they are trying to get the advertising money. It's that they don't like the directions google is moving in. Google Docs is a threat to both their Office revenues and their OS revenues (if an app is web based you don't need to use one operating system over another.)
Just a slight correction to what you are saying. www.msn.com looks like Yahoo! but they also run www.live.com which is meant to mimic the google style. Microsoft marketing is confusing and uses the term "live" for their search engine and for their online endeavors.