These are embedded motherboards, doesn't that mean they are not usefull for pc's?
No. It means that is how Moto is marketing them. The embedded market is seen as one of their "core competencies" (or some other such business-speak buzz word).
The maximum speed using electronic technology is OC192 (2.48Gbps), after that you must switch to purely optical technology
This is purely optical technology. The article at GA Tech says there's no theoretical limit to the bandwidth, so who knows? Maybe it could be used for > OC192.
Agreed about the problems with temperature extremes and HDs. It's probably 140F inside your car if it's locked up on a hot, sunny, summer day. And, at least here in MN, it would have suffer through -20F -30F. A normal HD's not going to survive.
One thing to think about might be a swappable drive bay. Then you could remove your drive just like you remove the faceplate for the CD player;-)
Agreed! At least Truth in Advertising made him call it "Chaos". It seems like he's using M$ Word 97 Save as Html to just barf out whatever's on the top of his head. Bleh!
Imagine if everyone here (OK, everyone with enough leeway on their credit limit) bought a Toshiba laptop, received the thing, then sent it back writing a note saying they disagreed with the EULA, they don't want Windows, only want to install Linux, etc.
Maybe, just maybe, someone at Toshiba will go: "We're losing a lot of money restocking all these laptops because people want to install Linux. Hey, I've got an idea..."
MS: "We have integrated hardware into Windows"
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A Microsoft spokesman today spoke on the latest innovation from the makers of Windows:
"For an enhanced customer experience we have integrated hardware into all Windows products. From now on hardware technologies will be an integral part of Windows. Our customers have demanded this sort of convenience."
I would think part of the 'problem' in embracing the MP3 music standard is the lack of people trying to use it in order to gain ground in an entrenched industry!
I think you've got this completely backward. The reason it's being fought against is because people ARE using it to gain ground in an entrenched industry.
and Tibet doesn't exist, because it's "part of China"....
You're letting the press off pretty easily
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What if they never reported anything about Iraq invading Kuwait? Would that be OK? Does the average American know where Kuwait is?
The press deserves to be royally flamed for the non-reporting about the situation in Indonesia and East Timor. This stuff IS news-worthy. Read the Portuguese posters' report.
However, criticizing Indonesia is against the interests of the powerful, and therefore the press remains mum.
I am also skeptical of this figure. That's enough computing power to simulate every molecule in a honeybee's brain. Are you sure it's not 100,000,000,000 FLOPS (i.e. 100 GFLOPS). If I remember correctly, the computing power of the human brain was estimated at ~100 TFLOPS (in other words, about 1000x as much).
Thanks to this article we can have a cartoon flame war to provide a contrast to the usual hardware flame wars, OS flame wars, and the occasional language flame wars...;-)
I too was saddened by the demise of Mac clones. It was one way to keep PPC machines more competitive with x86 machines. Apple seems to have realized their previous pricing is not going to fly, and they are moving to be more competitive.
One sad thing about Moto is that they have PREP boards, they make the chips, they have (had) a subsidiary to make the boxes. They COULD build a PPC box with Linux on it. Evidently, they would rather focus on the embedded market:-(
Intel's putting the squeeze on itself
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One thing that's kind of funny about Intel is the price pressure they're putting on themselves. In an effort to milk the top end, they're in the situation where ~10:1 price difference buys ~2:1 performance difference.
I read that Intel's down to 75% of the x86 market, and dropping. I can only see that trend continuing. Merced's performance won't be compelling compared to x86 chips which will be available then. Maybe McKinley will turn things around for them??
Cool. I wonder if it's possible to access it other than through the encrypt ID BS. Alan Turing's idea about RNG hardware device for computers becomes reality.
About the ID thing: I don't know. I really don't trust Intel on this. Of course, that's a natural reaction when someone says "Trust me..."
Besides, you said you buy small, cheap Linux boxes for a specific purpose. NT sites are frequently shocked to find that, although they already have a big, expensive server, they need to buy another in order to do X. I think they would be happy to have a number of small, cheap boxes.
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These are embedded motherboards, doesn't that mean they are not usefull for pc's?
No. It means that is how Moto is marketing them. The embedded market is seen as one of their "core competencies" (or some other such business-speak buzz word).
25Mbps over a fiber isn't such a big deal
No, it's not.
The maximum speed using electronic technology is OC192 (2.48Gbps), after that you must switch to purely optical technology
This is purely optical technology. The article at GA Tech says there's no theoretical limit to the bandwidth, so who knows? Maybe it could be used for > OC192.
There's a press release from GA Tech with more info here and on this page there's a paper (PDF or PS) on it.
Go, wramblin' wreck...
Agreed about the problems with temperature extremes and HDs. It's probably 140F inside your car if it's locked up on a hot, sunny, summer day. And, at least here in MN, it would have suffer through -20F -30F. A normal HD's not going to survive.
;-)
One thing to think about might be a swappable drive bay. Then you could remove your drive just like you remove the faceplate for the CD player
What a poorly organized website!
Agreed! At least Truth in Advertising made him call it "Chaos". It seems like he's using M$ Word 97 Save as Html to just barf out whatever's on the top of his head. Bleh!
Actually, I was suggesting to return them BEFORE you cracked 'em open, not ask them for a refund. But, whatever it takes ;-)
Imagine if everyone here (OK, everyone with enough leeway on their credit limit) bought a Toshiba laptop, received the thing, then sent it back writing a note saying they disagreed with the EULA, they don't want Windows, only want to install Linux, etc.
Maybe, just maybe, someone at Toshiba will go:
"We're losing a lot of money restocking all these laptops because people want to install Linux. Hey, I've got an idea..."
A Microsoft spokesman today spoke on the latest innovation from the makers of Windows:
"For an enhanced customer experience we have integrated hardware into all Windows products. From now on hardware technologies will be an integral part of Windows. Our customers have demanded this sort of convenience."
I would think part of the 'problem' in embracing the MP3 music standard is the lack of people trying to use it in order to gain ground in an entrenched industry!
I think you've got this completely backward. The reason it's being fought against is because people ARE using it to gain ground in an entrenched industry.
and Tibet doesn't exist, because it's "part of China"....
What if they never reported anything about Iraq invading Kuwait? Would that be OK? Does the average American know where Kuwait is?
The press deserves to be royally flamed for the non-reporting about the situation in Indonesia and East Timor. This stuff IS news-worthy. Read the Portuguese posters' report.
However, criticizing Indonesia is against the interests of the powerful, and therefore the press remains mum.
I am also skeptical of this figure. That's enough computing power to simulate every molecule in a honeybee's brain. Are you sure it's not 100,000,000,000 FLOPS (i.e. 100 GFLOPS). If I remember correctly, the computing power of the human brain was estimated at ~100 TFLOPS (in other words, about 1000x as much).
Thanks to this article we can have a cartoon flame war to provide a contrast to the usual hardware flame wars, OS flame wars, and the occasional language flame wars... ;-)
I thought this name was obvious. Kinda reminds me of Lisp...
I too was saddened by the demise of Mac clones. It was one way to keep PPC machines more competitive with x86 machines. Apple seems to have realized their previous pricing is not going to fly, and they are moving to be more competitive.
:-(
One sad thing about Moto is that they have PREP boards, they make the chips, they have (had) a subsidiary to make the boxes. They COULD build a PPC box with Linux on it. Evidently, they would rather focus on the embedded market
One thing that's kind of funny about Intel is the price pressure they're putting on themselves. In an effort to milk the top end, they're in the situation where ~10:1 price difference buys ~2:1 performance difference.
I read that Intel's down to 75% of the x86 market, and dropping. I can only see that trend continuing. Merced's performance won't be compelling compared to x86 chips which will be available then. Maybe McKinley will turn things around for them??
There WAS NT on PPC. It died of neglect due to no native apps being available for it.
PPC/MacOS may not be such a bad thing by the end of the year: BSD based OS, end-user apps, newbie-friendly GUI...
And you can always run Linux on PPC....
Cool. I wonder if it's possible to access it other than through the encrypt ID BS. Alan Turing's idea about RNG hardware device for computers becomes reality.
About the ID thing: I don't know. I really don't trust Intel on this. Of course, that's a natural reaction when someone says "Trust me..."
Hey, I want to see Perl Man and Dr. Python battle the evil Visual C++...
assuming a room temperature (~ 74F or ~23C)
;-) Yes, overclocked PPCs can run at ~ambient temperature.
Turn your thermostat down. Works for me in Minnesota in the winter
BD - whose thermostat is set at 64F
Not to flame you, but:
Interstellar space is mostly empty. What would cause the drag?
Trying to learn sumthin...
have multiple machines.
Besides, you said you buy small, cheap Linux boxes for a specific purpose. NT sites are frequently shocked to find that, although they already have a big, expensive server, they need to buy another in order to do X. I think they would be happy to have a number of small, cheap boxes.
restricted from sending it. He was in position to launch some cruise missles
Sorry, I'm in a weird mood today.
But then someone would start a flame-war, and my brain would explode ;-)
Will anyone trust 56 bit keys when a general purpose machine can break them this easily?