I understand the "look how tough I am, I can eat this spicy stuff" mentality to some extent, but who seriously takes it to the extreme of downing things that eat holes in your stomach and cause you to be hospitalized?
Indeed you didn't read the article. Its premise is that RE-forestation (new growth) caused by existing native populations being wiped out by imported disease caused the untended cleared areas used by theose native populations for agriculture and other things to be filled in with NEW forest, which caused CO2 to drop, decreasing temperatures.
Opposite scenario. Otherwise, your objection would be valid.
until Apple bought their way into the mobile industry..
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Not sure what you mean by this. They designed the iphone, introduced it and it sold well. Did the same with ipad. How did they buy their way into the mobile industry in any way differently than every other manufacturer of such devices?
the iPad screen, processor, memory etc.etc is made by.... Samsung which is why Samsung hold patents on most of the technology, they designed it...
... The only thing unique about the iPad is the physical shape and the desktop layout (which are protected with Design patents)
Samsung did not design the A5 processor. It is an ARM design (cortex A9), that has had been tweaked to a slightly custom design by Apple engineers. Samsung played little to no part in its design. They just fabricate it.
They also do not "make the screen", they are a minority supplier, most of the ipad screens come from another manufacturer (LG?).
All of that is irrelevant though. Samsung is countersuing over patents on mobile communications tech, not basic computer components.
Your argument is predicated on Apple either knowing with rather amazing accuracy the likely immediate demand for a new product, or significantly overproducing by some assumed percentage that unknown demand and having to deal with any resulting excess inventory.
In the case of the first scenario, since none of their competitors, many with a great deal of experience is producing similar items in quantities of millions, have been able to make decent projections like that (don't know specifics on phone models, but for tablets, Asus transformer, still understocked, HP, Moto and everyone else, tablets still overstocked, Amazon, pre-order sold out), I think you would be giving Apple more credit than they deserve, Cook's supply chain accumen notwithstanding.
In the second case, that goes contrary to Apple (and specifically Cook's) whole paradigm for moving merchandise. So they don't see it as a problem. This is not a case of leaving a business hanging, these are consumer devices. So it is a (possible) short term inconvenience for their customers. Not really a problem.
Either way, their supply chain is not any more undependable than anyone else's making similar products.
As TheGreek notes, doubtful Apple "expected" them to. I tend to think it was more the guys at Google honestly feeling they ought to, and Samsung being brought along for the ride (I'm less than convinced Samsung would have done this for a solo announcement, although I may be wrong).
Speaking for my wife (she hates that), her old phone was dying and this was the planned replacement. If you don't get in on the initial order and there IS a sellout, you end up waiting a week or two more.
Outside that situation, yeah. Smacks of "I want to be seen with the new toy first!"
will go to a store with the intent of buying an iPhone and end up buying something else when their first choice isn't available. And those are customers Apple will lose for at least a year.
I agree the shortage is not "planned", but can't imagine what you say here is true. I think the number of people who go to a store intending to buy an iphone during the launch period, and find it out of stock and buy a competitor is probably pretty small. Most will just wait the week or two.
But seriously, your rebuttal to the ipad selling well in a down economy in contrast to the Samsung and HP products is "no they aren't, because I don't know anyone who bought one"? So the sales figures are lies then?
Manufacturing capacity is tooled up to support normal sales volume, not huge surge of pent up demand on rollout day; Good PR of device's popularity being underscored by sellout; No inventorying of stock which retailers can't handle all at once; Extra heavy initial shipment logistics reduced; Uncertainty reduced; Unfilled pre-orders smooth out post rollout demand dip.
The downside is the slightly less eager customers have to wait a week for a product they will buy anyway.
Or do you really think Apple knows, down to the 5 or 10% accuracy you suppose to implement a plot of calculatedly producing 30% fewer to force a shortage, exactly how many of a new product they will sell?
The reports are 1 million ordered in the first 24 hours. 166% of the iPhone 4 rollout. Any chance that might have caught them off guard?
you guys can all bitch and whine all you want, i stand by what i said.
Humorous considering you're posting AC. I personally know about 30 people who are getting one. And all of them reported dificulty getting through the online ordering process due to heavy traffic. Faked traffic no doubt.
Of course, the other other obvious benefits are browsing and watching videos on a larger screen. Really I don't think the size would even have to change much to get a 4" screen anyway as there is wasted space with plastic on the front of the iPhone.
Apple is not going to increase the size until they can up the resolution to keep physical pixel density within what they have defined as a "retina" display. And that probably IS when you will see the iphone get a bigger screen, when they can get a higher res 4" panel and keep the phone the same size and not decrease battery life. They weren't there yet this time.
The Asus Transformer is moving, by itself, 400,000 units a month. It's very nice - you should check it out.
Indeed. I'm an apple user and it is the one Android device that gave me some good hardware lust. If apple take the MBA in that direction as a dual use iOS/OS X machine, I will buy one. If they don't, well, not sure what I'll do. Peak over the garden wall.
No question the Fire is a little more friendly as an e-reader than the iPad. It would be interesting to see a well done poll that revealed the competitive overlap between smartphones, 7" functionally limited tablets, more capable 7" tablets (full normal android), and capable 10" tablets.
I know a couple people with ipads who will probably also buy Fires. I know some people who have ipads and won't buy Fires or Nooks, some who don't have ipads and have Nooks or will buy Fires. So far, don't know anyone with a non-nook non-ipad tablet.
So there is no question there is some competition for users between these things. But probably we won't see meaningful numbers on that until surveys in a year or so.
Indeed, I have seen some claims that pre-orders exceeded original ipad pre-order volume. I think they will sell fantastically. Then it will be up to Amazon to effectively monetize that user base, since they aren't profiting from the sale of the Fire itself.
Whereas Apple is relying on their lock-in to the "we get a cut of the action, see" iTunes store.
No. Almost all their profit comes from the margins on the ipad hardware. This is brought up over and over here at slashdot, and their financials are cited all the time to demonstrate itunes profit is small, and yet we still see claims that Apple is pulling huge profits out of itunes and the app store.
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My kid is learning about our old pre-21st century constitution in school. It's weird, though, they don't call it that.
I wish. It is a creep in the same sense that we get to watch 4 man bobcreeping teams move slowly down an ice chute during the winter olympics.
This isn't about requiring people to take cash, it's about forbidding them from taking cash.
Have any relevant information at all that the free NYT app and the price of the ipad have any connection whatsoever?
It's the same here (US). There are broadly written laws in some states which are being used too do the same thing.
You'd think he'd have more respect for a business unit bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars a year for him.
Filed suit is not a verdict.
I understand the "look how tough I am, I can eat this spicy stuff" mentality to some extent, but who seriously takes it to the extreme of downing things that eat holes in your stomach and cause you to be hospitalized?
Indeed you didn't read the article. Its premise is that RE-forestation (new growth) caused by existing native populations being wiped out by imported disease caused the untended cleared areas used by theose native populations for agriculture and other things to be filled in with NEW forest, which caused CO2 to drop, decreasing temperatures.
Opposite scenario. Otherwise, your objection would be valid.
until Apple bought their way into the mobile industry. .
?
Not sure what you mean by this. They designed the iphone, introduced it and it sold well. Did the same with ipad. How did they buy their way into the mobile industry in any way differently than every other manufacturer of such devices?
the iPad screen, processor, memory etc .etc is made by .... Samsung which is why Samsung hold patents on most of the technology, they designed it ...
Samsung did not design the A5 processor. It is an ARM design (cortex A9), that has had been tweaked to a slightly custom design by Apple engineers. Samsung played little to no part in its design. They just fabricate it.
They also do not "make the screen", they are a minority supplier, most of the ipad screens come from another manufacturer (LG?).
All of that is irrelevant though. Samsung is countersuing over patents on mobile communications tech, not basic computer components.
or?
Your argument is predicated on Apple either knowing with rather amazing accuracy the likely immediate demand for a new product, or significantly overproducing by some assumed percentage that unknown demand and having to deal with any resulting excess inventory.
In the case of the first scenario, since none of their competitors, many with a great deal of experience is producing similar items in quantities of millions, have been able to make decent projections like that (don't know specifics on phone models, but for tablets, Asus transformer, still understocked, HP, Moto and everyone else, tablets still overstocked, Amazon, pre-order sold out), I think you would be giving Apple more credit than they deserve, Cook's supply chain accumen notwithstanding.
In the second case, that goes contrary to Apple (and specifically Cook's) whole paradigm for moving merchandise. So they don't see it as a problem. This is not a case of leaving a business hanging, these are consumer devices. So it is a (possible) short term inconvenience for their customers. Not really a problem.
Either way, their supply chain is not any more undependable than anyone else's making similar products.
As TheGreek notes, doubtful Apple "expected" them to. I tend to think it was more the guys at Google honestly feeling they ought to, and Samsung being brought along for the ride (I'm less than convinced Samsung would have done this for a solo announcement, although I may be wrong).
Speaking for my wife (she hates that), her old phone was dying and this was the planned replacement. If you don't get in on the initial order and there IS a sellout, you end up waiting a week or two more.
Outside that situation, yeah. Smacks of "I want to be seen with the new toy first!"
will go to a store with the intent of buying an iPhone and end up buying something else when their first choice isn't available. And those are customers Apple will lose for at least a year.
I agree the shortage is not "planned", but can't imagine what you say here is true. I think the number of people who go to a store intending to buy an iphone during the launch period, and find it out of stock and buy a competitor is probably pretty small. Most will just wait the week or two.
They don't work with snow gloves on.
But seriously, your rebuttal to the ipad selling well in a down economy in contrast to the Samsung and HP products is "no they aren't, because I don't know anyone who bought one"? So the sales figures are lies then?
Upsides to doing the release as they did:
Manufacturing capacity is tooled up to support normal sales volume, not huge surge of pent up demand on rollout day;
Good PR of device's popularity being underscored by sellout;
No inventorying of stock which retailers can't handle all at once;
Extra heavy initial shipment logistics reduced;
Uncertainty reduced;
Unfilled pre-orders smooth out post rollout demand dip.
The downside is the slightly less eager customers have to wait a week for a product they will buy anyway.
Or do you really think Apple knows, down to the 5 or 10% accuracy you suppose to implement a plot of calculatedly producing 30% fewer to force a shortage, exactly how many of a new product they will sell?
The reports are 1 million ordered in the first 24 hours. 166% of the iPhone 4 rollout. Any chance that might have caught them off guard?
you guys can all bitch and whine all you want, i stand by what i said.
Humorous considering you're posting AC. I personally know about 30 people who are getting one. And all of them reported dificulty getting through the online ordering process due to heavy traffic. Faked traffic no doubt.
Of course, the other other obvious benefits are browsing and watching videos on a larger screen. Really I don't think the size would even have to change much to get a 4" screen anyway as there is wasted space with plastic on the front of the iPhone.
Apple is not going to increase the size until they can up the resolution to keep physical pixel density within what they have defined as a "retina" display. And that probably IS when you will see the iphone get a bigger screen, when they can get a higher res 4" panel and keep the phone the same size and not decrease battery life. They weren't there yet this time.
The Asus Transformer is moving, by itself, 400,000 units a month. It's very nice - you should check it out.
Indeed. I'm an apple user and it is the one Android device that gave me some good hardware lust. If apple take the MBA in that direction as a dual use iOS/OS X machine, I will buy one. If they don't, well, not sure what I'll do. Peak over the garden wall.
No question the Fire is a little more friendly as an e-reader than the iPad. It would be interesting to see a well done poll that revealed the competitive overlap between smartphones, 7" functionally limited tablets, more capable 7" tablets (full normal android), and capable 10" tablets.
I know a couple people with ipads who will probably also buy Fires. I know some people who have ipads and won't buy Fires or Nooks, some who don't have ipads and have Nooks or will buy Fires. So far, don't know anyone with a non-nook non-ipad tablet.
So there is no question there is some competition for users between these things. But probably we won't see meaningful numbers on that until surveys in a year or so.
Indeed, I have seen some claims that pre-orders exceeded original ipad pre-order volume. I think they will sell fantastically. Then it will be up to Amazon to effectively monetize that user base, since they aren't profiting from the sale of the Fire itself.
Lead-based paint does not have nutritional value, or any other dietary benefits. Really.
Whereas Apple is relying on their lock-in to the "we get a cut of the action, see" iTunes store.
No. Almost all their profit comes from the margins on the ipad hardware. This is brought up over and over here at slashdot, and their financials are cited all the time to demonstrate itunes profit is small, and yet we still see claims that Apple is pulling huge profits out of itunes and the app store.
Handy chart halfway through this story:
http://outofconfusion.com/post/10819023671/apple-itunes-app-revenue
It is the other way around. iTunes is used to push profitable hardware. Period.