They're only logging connection information, not the actual contents.
In your scenario where they had some big-ass protocol analysers (no mention of who's paying for this) it'd be able to log who sent email/msn/skype etc. to whom.. of course that'd be a shitload of data too... not to mention they couldn't log VPN traffic (so I could happily setup my VPN to sealand and send any message I wanted unlogged).
Still completely unworkable IMO, but not as bad as your analysis suggests.
Except that's impossible too. It's not just ISPs that send emails, companies do, geeks do (who here doesn't run their own SMTP server?), etc. and there's no way in hell I'm keeping my server logs for 6 years unless the government pays cash for the hard drives to put it all on.
What about IRC? MSN? AIM? A lot of that is peer to peer.
Are Skype bound by this too? No central servers... are they going to start arresting 14 years olds because their PC was used as a relay by skype and they forgot to write it down?
It's been tried before, and proven unworkable.. this will too - just because the EU makes a directive doesn't mean that individual countries will pass laws that effectively enforce it.. they have to pass *some* law, but I predict such laws will be so full of holes as to be pointless.
Funny, that one. If you have the issue it's too late.. you can't download the patch.
Is this a regression? XP has that issue out of the box (before they fixed it I was always having to reinstall after windows update broke) but that was ages ago.
They're not 'working towards it' it's already there in the standards. It's mandatory HDCP. Blu-Ray will *not* output HDTV over anything else. Bought an HTTV with component? Throw it in the trash because blu-ray will only send it SD.
This uses PKI with revokable keys - the movie studios can just keep revoking keys that are hacked.
Of course that'll work until the the first popular TV model gets hacked, and they kill the TVs belonging to half a million users. That'll be one hell of a lawsuit.
You'll need to upgrade the firmware on your linksys router - no stock ipv6 firmware is available at the moment, but you can do a custom hack using some of the linux images if you're into that kind of thing.
You still need dhcp for some things (wins, ntp, etc.) but the ip addresses and routes are autoconfigured. Heck, you can still NAT if you don't want your ipv6 addresses to be made public (cisco suppports this not sure about linux though).
Windows has the drivers in it (not installed by default) but hardly any software works with it, so unless you get your kicks by doing 'ping' you're not going to see much from it. (Firefox works, but there are few ipv6 web sites, and by few I mean *few* - probably less than 100 in the entire world).
Oh, and forget about memorising IP addresses - without DNS you're hosed.
6to4 is dying. The number of tunnel brokers has plummeted, so badly that recently I had to abandon looking for one in europe and use the US (btexact, the one I used a while ago, is now fubar and there's no obvious resolution time).
The anycast address, 192.88.99.1, is no longer routed by many ISPs (none that I have access to anyway, and that's quite a few... I have lots of old accounts).
Oh, and don't forget that the 6bone gets switched off next year, and that was the primary source of ipv6 hosts.
Unless the ISPs start handing out ipv6 addresses all that software capability will mean nothing as there will be no network to connect to.
Replacing nearly every router, upgrading every PC, and a costly software rewrite that will make Y2K look like a walk in the park.
The software alone could cost $75Bn before you start on the hardware.
Rememver they initially specced 20 years for the switchover - and it hasn't really happened yet (in fact it's going backwards - compare the number of tunnel brokers to the number that existed a couple of years ago... there are very few now).
cellphones are mostly NATted. There's little or no reason for them to have an IP on the public internet, so it's rare to find it.
There really isn't a shortage yet - I just asked for a/29 and was offered a/28 for 'future growth' - If they're still giving it out like that that then there no panic.
You had to custom modify a WRT54G with a working ipv6 stack and radvd, then sign up with a tunnel broker (precious few of these left now - most of the ones from a few years ago died), and manually edit scripts to connect to that tunnel broker.
Or you could have tried to go the 192.88.99.1 route, only to find that most ISPs don't route it any more.
Then you've got an ipv6 connection. woo. With a probable ~300ms first hop and nowhere to go because there is *zero* commercial deployment. Enjoy your address space.
Of course it needs a router. An ipv6 capable router - and there aren't many of those around at the moment. Sure, a lot of the cheap 2.99 dlinks could be upgraded with firmware upgrades, but that all adds to the cost.
I can create ipv6 tunnels on a cisco, but the damned admin interface can't see them or do anything with them.
And cisco are the better routers - it's basically unheard of for a cheaper router to understand ipv6 *at all*.
Add the that the poor software support (eg. debian ipv6 seemed to stall in 2003 and never got off the ground, windows supports the ipv6 stack but there's zero application support, etc.) and that $75Bn starts to look on the low side.
It wouldn't surprise me if that was just the estimate for the government switchover. The total cost to industry could be 10-100 times that, if it ever happens (which is looking unlikely - the space is ripe for someone to come up with an alternate proposal that isn't such a major shift & preserves the existing hardware).
I was in a bus where the bus driver was on his mobile phone for the entire journey. This was *after* the huge publicity campaign about driving with mobile phones and the law change.
He kept missing stops and not letting passengers on/off as he was distracted. I dread to think what would have happened if there had been a parked car in the road or something.
There's a fantastic video around of a car demo where a manufacturer was boasting it was impossible to make this car hit anything - it has a snazzy new proximity detector in it that slammed the brakes on automatically.
To test it they drove it at high speed into a cloud of fog, in which was an unseen parked car. It braked... *way* too late, and totalled the car....
Best advice I ever had when I had my depressive period - don't let the doctors near you, they'll fill you with drugs. I got myself through it and am a much better person for it.
I've seen what antidepressants do to people - my wife was prescribed them for stomach cramps.. took them for two days and the effect was so awful I hope I never see a human being in that state again. They work by making the person unable to function - the zombie effect. Sitting in a corner dribbling is not my idea of being 'helped' by drugs.
Plus an OSX having a go at app termination in task manager is a but rich. Force quit on OSX hardly *ever* works, especially if it's finder that's crashed (Finder is a crash ridden piece of shit, IMO. Apple need to ditch it and get something different).
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That's why I'm assuming using protocol analyzers. The port by itself is not enough to identify the type of traffic.
The free market is dumb. It's made up of dumbasses who'll by anything that looks shiny.
I expect most people on slashdot have a *bit* more knowledge of IT than that.
The chip might be hardcoded, but the thing that reads the chip is *software*, which is definately not hardcoded.
I'd give it a week.
They're only logging connection information, not the actual contents.
In your scenario where they had some big-ass protocol analysers (no mention of who's paying for this) it'd be able to log who sent email/msn/skype etc. to whom.. of course that'd be a shitload of data too... not to mention they couldn't log VPN traffic (so I could happily setup my VPN to sealand and send any message I wanted unlogged).
Still completely unworkable IMO, but not as bad as your analysis suggests.
They'd expect the logging of email.
Except that's impossible too. It's not just ISPs that send emails, companies do, geeks do (who here doesn't run their own SMTP server?), etc. and there's no way in hell I'm keeping my server logs for 6 years unless the government pays cash for the hard drives to put it all on.
What about IRC? MSN? AIM? A lot of that is peer to peer.
Are Skype bound by this too? No central servers... are they going to start arresting 14 years olds because their PC was used as a relay by skype and they forgot to write it down?
It's been tried before, and proven unworkable.. this will too - just because the EU makes a directive doesn't mean that individual countries will pass laws that effectively enforce it.. they have to pass *some* law, but I predict such laws will be so full of holes as to be pointless.
Funny, that one. If you have the issue it's too late.. you can't download the patch.
Is this a regression? XP has that issue out of the box (before they fixed it I was always having to reinstall after windows update broke) but that was ages ago.
Err, no! Obviously not. Otherwise when you upgrade your player, your entire collection would be written off.
Congratulations! You just worked out why DRM is bad.
This is *exactly* how BluRay works. It is tied to a single player.
No, just that they won't transmit HD over it.
This is in the specs. All analogue outputs will be SD only.
The output channels to the TV are HDCP encrypted digital *only*. You cannot rip them.
The component outputs are standard def. This is more than 'a little bit' of loss of quality.
They're not 'working towards it' it's already there in the standards. It's mandatory HDCP. Blu-Ray will *not* output HDTV over anything else. Bought an HTTV with component? Throw it in the trash because blu-ray will only send it SD.
This uses PKI with revokable keys - the movie studios can just keep revoking keys that are hacked.
Of course that'll work until the the first popular TV model gets hacked, and they kill the TVs belonging to half a million users. That'll be one hell of a lawsuit.
You'll need to upgrade the firmware on your linksys router - no stock ipv6 firmware is available at the moment, but you can do a custom hack using some of the linux images if you're into that kind of thing.
You still need dhcp for some things (wins, ntp, etc.) but the ip addresses and routes are autoconfigured. Heck, you can still NAT if you don't want your ipv6 addresses to be made public (cisco suppports this not sure about linux though).
Windows has the drivers in it (not installed by default) but hardly any software works with it, so unless you get your kicks by doing 'ping' you're not going to see much from it. (Firefox works, but there are few ipv6 web sites, and by few I mean *few* - probably less than 100 in the entire world).
Oh, and forget about memorising IP addresses - without DNS you're hosed.
6to4 is dying. The number of tunnel brokers has plummeted, so badly that recently I had to abandon looking for one in europe and use the US (btexact, the one I used a while ago, is now fubar and there's no obvious resolution time).
The anycast address, 192.88.99.1, is no longer routed by many ISPs (none that I have access to anyway, and that's quite a few... I have lots of old accounts).
Oh, and don't forget that the 6bone gets switched off next year, and that was the primary source of ipv6 hosts.
Unless the ISPs start handing out ipv6 addresses all that software capability will mean nothing as there will be no network to connect to.
Not really. It's probably an underestimate.
Replacing nearly every router, upgrading every PC, and a costly software rewrite that will make Y2K look like a walk in the park.
The software alone could cost $75Bn before you start on the hardware.
Rememver they initially specced 20 years for the switchover - and it hasn't really happened yet (in fact it's going backwards - compare the number of tunnel brokers to the number that existed a couple of years ago... there are very few now).
cellphones are mostly NATted. There's little or no reason for them to have an IP on the public internet, so it's rare to find it.
/29 and was offered a /28 for 'future growth' - If they're still giving it out like that that then there no panic.
There really isn't a shortage yet - I just asked for a
You nicely stepped over the complexity there.
You had to custom modify a WRT54G with a working ipv6 stack and radvd, then sign up with a tunnel broker (precious few of these left now - most of the ones from a few years ago died), and manually edit scripts to connect to that tunnel broker.
Or you could have tried to go the 192.88.99.1 route, only to find that most ISPs don't route it any more.
Then you've got an ipv6 connection. woo. With a probable ~300ms first hop and nowhere to go because there is *zero* commercial deployment. Enjoy your address space.
ipv6 doesn't need a router
WTF??
Of course it needs a router. An ipv6 capable router - and there aren't many of those around at the moment. Sure, a lot of the cheap 2.99 dlinks could be upgraded with firmware upgrades, but that all adds to the cost.
Yeah, wierd that.
I can create ipv6 tunnels on a cisco, but the damned admin interface can't see them or do anything with them.
And cisco are the better routers - it's basically unheard of for a cheaper router to understand ipv6 *at all*.
Add the that the poor software support (eg. debian ipv6 seemed to stall in 2003 and never got off the ground, windows supports the ipv6 stack but there's zero application support, etc.) and that $75Bn starts to look on the low side.
It wouldn't surprise me if that was just the estimate for the government switchover. The total cost to industry could be 10-100 times that, if it ever happens (which is looking unlikely - the space is ripe for someone to come up with an alternate proposal that isn't such a major shift & preserves the existing hardware).
Uh.. YES!!!! In a care you need to be aware of *everything* going on in front, to the sides and behind you. Constantly.
Did you miss a smiley somewhere?
I was in a bus where the bus driver was on his mobile phone for the entire journey. This was *after* the huge publicity campaign about driving with mobile phones and the law change.
He kept missing stops and not letting passengers on/off as he was distracted. I dread to think what would have happened if there had been a parked car in the road or something.
There's a fantastic video around of a car demo where a manufacturer was boasting it was impossible to make this car hit anything - it has a snazzy new proximity detector in it that slammed the brakes on automatically.
To test it they drove it at high speed into a cloud of fog, in which was an unseen parked car. It braked... *way* too late, and totalled the car....
I always wondered what that song was on about... Gosh I actually learned something off slashdot!
teeming is correct.
teaming with irony doesn't make sense, unless you have someone on your team called irony.
This is slashdot. Anything with google in the title is published - often before anyone's even bothered to read it.
Future slashdot titles:
Google to buy microsoft
Google to buy AOL
Google finds cure for cancer
Google starts space programme
Best advice I ever had when I had my depressive period - don't let the doctors near you, they'll fill you with drugs. I got myself through it and am a much better person for it.
I've seen what antidepressants do to people - my wife was prescribed them for stomach cramps.. took them for two days and the effect was so awful I hope I never see a human being in that state again. They work by making the person unable to function - the zombie effect. Sitting in a corner dribbling is not my idea of being 'helped' by drugs.
Plus an OSX having a go at app termination in task manager is a but rich. Force quit on OSX hardly *ever* works, especially if it's finder that's crashed (Finder is a crash ridden piece of shit, IMO. Apple need to ditch it and get something different).